Westjet daily to Dublin 2014

urajoke

http://www.westjet.com/guest/en/deals/offers/ireland.shtml?sm_cid=sm-tw-ge-20131115&mrd=0

New flights to the old country
The Emerald Isle is closer than you might think. Starting June 15, 2014* WestJet will be offering our first transatlantic service from St. John's, Newfoundland to Dublin, Ireland, with connecting service from several other Canadian destinations.

Did you know that St. John's is closer to Dublin than Calgary? And once you get there, Dublin Airport provides more than 100 non-stop flights to other European destinations. Whether it is your final destination or a jumping off point to Europe and beyond, WestJet is happy to help you get across the pond.

Schedule highlights:

Route Frequency Dates^
St. John's - Dublin Daily June 15, 2014 to
October 5, 2014
Toronto (direct same plane) - Dublin** Daily June 15, 2014 to
October 5, 2014
Calgary, Edmonton, Halifax, Hamilton, Kelowna, Montreal, Ottawa, Thunder Bay, Vancouver, Victoria, Winnipeg - Dublin** Daily June 15, 2014 to
October 5, 2014
Book by December 4, 2013 (11:59 p.m. MT), for travel from June 15 to October 5, 2014.*

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Flown by a 737-700

Cosmo Kramer

Very random, I have wondered for a long time if the way to do low cost transatlantic would be to set up a base in Newfoundland and connect passengers through there to/from the US east coast and western Europe on 737s or 738s. This is a similar kind of idea. Great circle distance for this flight will be similar to that of Dublin to the Canaries or Greek Islands. It will be interesting to see if it is successful.

nd001

Would this be considered direct competition to aer lingus proposed route to toronto what kind of prices are they going to offer?

IngazZagni

A route like this has been rumoured for a long time. Will be very interesting to see this. I hope it's successful.

It says fares FROM around €145 to St Paul's and FROM around €212 to Toronto both one way.

the beerhunter

this is great news. the very least they will achieve is showing certain other carriers (and the irish flying public) that "cheap" doesn't have to be painful or miserable.

ScouseMouse

If they plan on doing it with a 737-700, could this prompt MOL to start it aswell?

IngazZagni

superscouse wrote: »

If they plan on doing it with a 737-700, could this prompt MOL to start it aswell?

The thing is Westjet would be better set up for it in that they offer connections. Traffic to St Johns directly would be limited so it's all about the connections that can be offered from there.

urajoke

ST JOHNS not St. Paul's

Bessarion

superscouse wrote: »

If they plan on doing it with a 737-700, could this prompt MOL to start it aswell?

-700 is smaller and has the range. Ryanair have -800's and would be limited in range. FR also have no connectivity from St-Johns, WestJet are offering that.
To operate across the Atlantic in a B737 the airline needs to prove they can operate under ETOPS restrictions. Westjet already do this to the Carribean, Ryanair do not operate ETOPS flights.

Toronto - St.John's - Dublin is a good way to bundle 2 markets into 1 flight. FR would not be able to do the same as they do not have the brand recognition in Canada. In addition web sales are relatively low in Canada.

munchkin_utd

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Very random, I have wondered for a long time if the way to do low cost transatlantic would be to set up a base in Newfoundland and connect passengers through there to/from the US east coast and western Europe on 737s or 738s. This is a similar kind of idea. Great circle distance for this flight will be similar to that of Dublin to the Canaries or Greek Islands. It will be interesting to see if it is successful.

TRUE!
its 2000miles to St Johns compared to 1800 or 1950 to canaries/ crete

sully2010

Thats fantastic news, I've no doubt it will be a big success at those prices, especially with the amount of Irish in Toronto and other cities in Canada. I wonder what price Aer Lingus will be charging on their 757's direct to Toronto. I doubt it will be anything near €200 return, I'd take a quick stop in St.Johns no probs for that price!

Fantastic idea, I wonder will the Alcock & Brown flight feature in any of the marketing? (It should)

Suasdaguna1

I think this is great......I'm going to go the Newfoundland next sept and see the place. I fly over it enough and the people there are really nice.

Great news and a stonking tail wind on the return will feel like a canaries hop and a skip. !!

Suasdaguna1

What's the deal with visas to canada?

L1011

Extremely random and unexpected. T1 could end up feeling like a Canadian emigrant ship some mornings in the summer if they, Transat and Air Canada are all over there!

munchkin_utd

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

I think this is great......I'm going to go the Newfoundland next sept and see the place. I fly over it enough and the people there are really nice.

Great news and a stonking tail wind on the return will feel like a canaries hop and a skip. !!

I'd love to nip over there too at some stage too.

How quick would that be then for the return journey if you got a decent tail wind?

urajoke

munchkin_utd wrote: »

I'd love to nip over there too at some stage too.

How quick would that be then for the return journey if you got a decent tail wind?

5 over 4 back I reckon

Suasdaguna1

urajoke wrote: »

5 over 4 back I reckon

Throw another 20mins on each way.....737 does I think .77 Mach ??

All in all ....a Newfoundland service is cool

munchkin_utd

according to wikipedia, Mach 0.78 (511 mph, 823 km/h)
for a spin of 2000miles thats a shade under 4hours with no wind so with a helping hand its only a question of how much under 4 it might be

urajoke

munchkin_utd wrote: »

according to wikipedia, Mach 0.78 (511 mph, 823 km/h)
for a spin of 2000miles thats a shade under 4hours with no wind so with a helping hand its only a question of how much under 4 it might be

Mach number is associated with CI (cost index) which is company specific, Mach can be .74 to .80 depending on airline.

Don't forget to add in slower speeds/times for climb and descent. When you have a tailwind you will also get a headwind on the way back.

LXFlyer

Flights are scheduled:

Depart St John's 23:15 Arrive Dublin 07:00
Depart Dublin 08:20 Arrive St John's 09:55

St John's is GMT -3.5, so that means flight times of 04:15 eastbound and 05:05 westbound.

Preset No.3

Does that mean there's no need for overnighting crews in Dublin? On the ground time is 1:20.

sully2010

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

What's the deal with visas to canada?

No visa required as a tourist, just show up to the airport and get the passport stamped! You get 90 days and I believe 6 months if you can show a nice chunk of moola in the bank.

urajoke

Preset No.3 wrote: »

Does that mean there's no need for overnighting crews in Dublin? On the ground time is 1:20.

Depends on where the pilots pick the flight up from Calgary, Toronto or St Johns and then on to Dublin. As it's a daily flight I imagine they will overnight in Dublin and then fly the reverse route.

zone 1

i dont no what its about this place but ive always wanted to go to st johns. now at long last cant wait.....

FWVT

I don't understand why an island like New Foundland, with a total population of just under 500,000, has two large international airports. The capital, St. John's, has a population of just 106,000, so the rest are dotted around the island. I know Gander is a strategic trans-atlantic airport but I don't understand how both airports can operate simultaneously.

And what will be the attraction of the DUB-YYT route to justify a daily frequency, or will it just be mostly stepping-stone on to somewhere else?

Bessarion

FWVT wrote: »

I don't understand why an island like New Foundland, with a total population of just under 500,000, has two large international airports. The capital, St. John's, has a population of just 106,000, so the rest are dotted around the island. I know Gander is a strategic trans-atlantic airport but I don't understand how both airports can operate simultaneously.

And what will be the attraction of the DUB-YYT route to justify a daily frequency, or will it just be mostly stepping-stone on to somewhere else?

Stepping stone to the Toronto and the rest of Canada. I doubt a B737 can operate YYZ-DUB.

I think Gander was originally military so St.Johns was the civilian airport for the region. Another region could be that the topography prevents ease of trvel overland in the area so airports are more important than in other regions (ie Continental US, Europe)

Suasdaguna1

lxflyer wrote: »

Flights are scheduled:

Depart St John's 23:15 Arrive Dublin 07:00
Depart Dublin 08:20 Arrive St John's 09:55

St John's is GMT -3.5, so that means flight times of 04:15 eastbound and 05:05 westbound.

Right that's me in for a boozy weekend in Newfoundland with moose burgers as dry filling.

Genuinely....I'm going there.

KCAccidental

as far as I remember Westjet also have inseat IFE on their 737-700.

roundymac

No complamentary food or drink unless your flying "plus fare". can you bring sambo's on board?

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Bessarion wrote: »

Stepping stone to the Toronto and the rest of Canada.

Indeed, isn't the plan that the same aircraft goes on to Toronto? They're also selling it as linking travellers from Canada on to the rest of Europe

http://www.westjet.com/guest/en/deals/offers/ireland.shtml?i_cid=wj-home-rot1-dest-ireland-20131115

Did you know that St. John's is closer to Dublin than Calgary? And once you get there, Dublin Airport provides more than 100 non-stop flights to other European destinations. Whether it is your final destination or a jumping off point to Europe and beyond, WestJet is happy to help you get across the pond.

For anyone interested in history, this is probably as close as we'll get to having a scheduled service that recreates the very first East-West transatlantic flight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremen_(aircraft)

The Bremen is a German Junkers W 33 aircraft that made the first successful transatlantic aeroplane flight from east to west between April 12 and 13, 1928.

The Bremen left Baldonnel Aerodrome, Ireland on April 12 and flew to Greenly Island, Canada, (about 1,900 km (1,200 mi) from New York) arriving on April 13, after a flight fraught with difficult conditions and compass problems. The crew consisted of pilot Captain Hermann Köhl, the navigator, Major James Fitzmaurice, and the owner of the aircraft, Ehrenfried Günther Freiherr von Hünefeld.

weisses

Seat map

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Westjet/Westjet_Boeing_737-700.php

Bigcheeze

lxflyer wrote: »

Flights are scheduled:

Depart St John's 23:15 Arrive Dublin 07:00
Depart Dublin 08:20 Arrive St John's 09:55

St John's is GMT -3.5, so that means flight times of 04:15 eastbound and 05:05 westbound.

As those times include taxiing at both ends, sounds like actual flying time will be under 4 hours eastbound.

owenc

munchkin_utd wrote: »

I'd love to nip over there too at some stage too.

How quick would that be then for the return journey if you got a decent tail wind?

3.5 hours

owenc

Fascinating. I think newfoundland is both unique and weird. Its kind of like you are on a short haul flight but you are going to north america. Odd

Nortcider

Anybody know which terminal in Dublin they'll be using? I'm booked with them but there's no mention of a terminal on the ticket.

LXFlyer

I would think it is T1.

homerjay2005

they are doing "direct" flights to Toronto, but i assume thats the same aircraft and schedule, just a full stop in St Johns?

sparrowcar

Nortcider wrote: »

Anybody know which terminal in Dublin they'll be using? I'm booked with them but there's no mention of a terminal on the ticket.

T1. Starts tomorrow week

owenc

Well? Since its booked so much are they going to extend it?

What about a new route? Maybe Belfast.

b757

They extended it to October only. It will be back next summer.

sparrowcar

owenc wrote: »

Well? Since its booked so much are they going to extend it?

What about a new route? Maybe Belfast.

Rumour is that they are but no confirmation yet.

owenc

b757 wrote: »

They extended it to October only. It will be back next summer.

But if they have a 90% load factor then why not make it the whole year?
Its only a 140 seater plane lol.

roundymac

There was rumour about Cork for next year, heard nothing about Belfast, so maybe all speculation.

b757

owenc wrote: »

But if they have a 90% load factor then why not make it the whole year?
Its only a 140 seater plane lol.

That's a question you will have to ask them.

Maybe due to Aer Lingus and Air Canada going year round, the demand might not be there for the winter time.

b757

b757 wrote: »

That's a question you will have to ask them.

Maybe due to Aer Lingus and Air Canada going year round, the demand might not be there for the winter time.

Most Canadians in winter go south to South Carolina, Florida and the Caribbean they won't want to come here and likewise from here to wet and cold. Westjet will have know that and will deploy that aircraft for the southern migration.

owenc

roundymac wrote: »

There was rumour about Cork for next year, heard nothing about Belfast, so maybe all speculation.

Cork wtf

owenc

b757 wrote: »

That's a question you will have to ask them.

Maybe due to Aer Lingus and Air Canada going year round, the demand might not be there for the winter time.

Well with only 136 seats it shouldn't matter.

owenc

owenc wrote: »

Cork wtf

Why not ?

b757

owenc wrote: »

Cork wtf

owenc wrote: »

Well with only 136 seats it shouldn't matter.

I suppose if you were running a airline, you would have everything out of Belfast?

You'd have the airline bankrupt in 6 weeks.

owenc

Deleted User wrote: »

Why not ?

Because its Cork.

Northern Ireland is a country and we have a population of 2 million to sustain such a flight.