when ye drying off?

kevthegaff

Well lads, im drying off this week as my quotas full and they're gone back alot in milk since im gone to once a day, using sealer also, how long do ur intend to milk?

delaval

We will milk until 6 weeks before calving. We have 6 lame cows dried. All cows will be assessed tomorrow and any lower BCS will be dried along with any first lactation calving in Feb.

Dry off with Bovaclox and sealer. They will be dosed for fluke and worms, tails and freeze brands will be clipped, salmonella vaccine also.

We will dose for fluke and do for lice again around Xmas

mahoney_j

Drying off 29 and 30 of this month with orbenin extra and sealers.restricted diet of 70% straw and 30% silage for 5 days.if weather is dry I'll leave them out on a dry paddock with access to shed if they want.will dose cows with endofluke when they go in fully as dung samples showed low levels of fluke but no rumen fluke.cows still at grass full time ,no silage and 4 kg of 16% nut milking 16.2 Ltrs at 4.93fat and 4.13protein. 4.41 lactose.will house at night next weekend to keep grass in diet till 30 nob.

mahoney_j

Drying off 29 and 30 of this month with orbenin extra and sealers.restricted diet of 70% straw and 30% silage for 5 days.if weather is dry I'll leave them out on a dry paddock with access to shed if they want.will dose cows with endofluke when they go in fully as dung samples showed low levels of fluke but no rumen fluke.cows still at grass full time ,no silage and 4 kg of 16% nut milking 16.2 Ltrs at 4.93fat and 4.13protein. 4.41 lactose.will house at night next weekend to keep grass in diet till 30 nob.

Timmaay

Where did ya get the dung samples measured? Serious protein figure also, what sort of c/l payment are you hoping to get for the Nov milk? I can see why you are considering winter milk with those sort of figures. Very ordinary diet of just grass and 4kg of a 16% nut, what grass they are grazing must be very good quality still? Or would you put down alot of those production figures to the cows genetics?

mahoney_j

Timmaay wrote: »

Where did ya get the dung samples measured? Serious protein figure also, what sort of c/l payment are you hoping to get for the Nov milk? I can see why you are considering winter milk with those sort of figures. Very ordinary diet of just grass and 4kg of a 16% nut, what grass they are grazing must be very good quality still? Or would you put down alot of those production figures to the cows genetics?

Just pooled a few samples from cows in collecting yard and got vet to send off for me.the rumen fluke one has got me as last year sample was positive for rumen fluke but I didn't dose with zanil as I couldn't get enough of it and now it is negative.leads me to think its a bit of a fad as cows are all in super knick.
As for nov price in hoping for 50 cent plus.i proably should be offering cows silage but as cows are in good condition and I will be tight enough for quota next march I decided not to introduce it till I really have to.they are been brought in daily at 3 o clock and offered patent straw to appetite and that is both filling them up and thickening the dung as grass on its own was just flowing through them.also if on silage paddock clean out would be poor I think with a lot of wastage.grass looks good though and what's left was reseeded in last 5 years but I suspect its energy is fairly low as its wet and very lush..the high solids I would put down to genetics mostly,but I've also a lot of heifers(30% of herd) and grass,if on silage I think my proteins will drop off even though what they will be getting will be very high dmd surplus paddock wraps

Brown Podzol

mahoney_j wrote: »

Drying off 29 and 30 of this month with orbenin extra and sealers.restricted diet of 70% straw and 30% silage for 5 days.if weather is dry I'll leave them out on a dry paddock with access to shed if they want.will dose cows with endofluke when they go in fully as dung samples showed low levels of fluke but no rumen fluke.cows still at grass full time ,no silage and 4 kg of 16% nut milking 16.2 Ltrs at 4.93fat and 4.13protein. 4.41 lactose.will house at night next weekend to keep grass in diet till 30 nob.

Is endofluke now permitted for use in dairy cows. Just coppied this from bimeda website. Would be great if it is, a good bit cheaper than Fasinex240.

ENDOFLUKE 10
Anthelmintics
triclabendazole 100mg per mL

Indications: For the treatment of adult, immature and early immature stages of liver fluke susceptible to triclabendazole in cattle and sheep.
Withdrawal Period Milk: Not permitted for use in lactating cows.
Withdrawal Period Meat: 56 days

Data Sheet: View Safety Sheet: View

PACKAGING
List No. Unit Package Case Size
1END022 1L 12
1END031 2.5L 6

mahoney_j

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Is endofluke now permitted for use in dairy cows. Just coppied this from bimeda website. Would be great if it is, a good bit cheaper than Fasinex240.

ENDOFLUKE 10
Anthelmintics
triclabendazole 100mg per mL

Indications: For the treatment of adult, immature and early immature stages of liver fluke susceptible to triclabendazole in cattle and sheep.
Withdrawal Period Milk: Not permitted for use in lactating cows.
Withdrawal Period Meat: 56 days

Data Sheet: View Safety Sheet: View

PACKAGING
List No. Unit Package Case Size
1END022 1L 12
1END031 2.5L 6

Just waiting to be cleared according to my vet,seemingly just a formality and a hell of a lot cheaper than fasinex.wont be using it for 3 weeks yet so I have time.

Brown Podzol

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just waiting to be cleared according to my vet,seemingly just a formality and a hell of a lot cheaper than fasinex.wont be using it for 3 weeks yet so I have time.

My time invested in Boards is starting to pay dividends.:D

delaval

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just waiting to be cleared according to my vet,seemingly just a formality and a hell of a lot cheaper than fasinex.wont be using it for 3 weeks yet so I have time.

Is Endofluke a wormer aswell as a flukacide?
Is it a drench or pouron?
Dies it do mature and immature?
Have to agree about rumen fluke, seems to be a story concocted after 09 and the usual nonsence of Zanil unavailable

If its both wormer and fluker that would be great.

mahoney_j

delaval wrote: »

Is Endofluke a wormer aswell as a flukacide?
Is it a drench or pouron?
Dies it do mature and immature?
Have to agree about rumen fluke, seems to be a story concocted after 09 and the usual nonsence of Zanil unavailable

If its both wormer and fluker that would be great.

Just a flukeacide unfortunately and it's a drench and covers all stages of liver fluke del

delaval

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just a flukeacide unfortunately and it's a drench and covers all stages of liver fluke del

Cheers for that, hadn't heard of it. I must pool a faecal sample

Brown Podzol

delaval wrote: »

Is Endofluke a wormer aswell as a flukacide?
Is it a drench or pouron?
Dies it do mature and immature?
Have to agree about rumen fluke, seems to be a story concocted after 09 and the usual nonsence of Zanil unavailable

If its both wormer and fluker that would be great.

Not a wormer, but I have mixed them in the past, one big dose. You could also use something like Cydectin pouron, worms and lice,with endofluke. Resonable cost and all done in the one go.

kevthegaff

I fluke and worm at dry off, never rumen fluke before. Would ye do them all or get a couple of dung samples?

keep going

Doing sensitivity test in the morning so we will start drying off next week maybe but al ot depends on how they respond to silage that they aare starting on tomorrow

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

I fluke and worm at dry off, never rumen fluke before. Would ye do them all or get a couple of dung samples?

Just pool a few samples from around the collecting yard Kev and get vet to test.you could go and treat for liver and rumen fluke for no reason otherwise.im not convinced rumen fluke is as big a problem as were been told it is.if cows are in poor condition and result is positive then maby it may be worthwhile but I'd be more of the thinking that cows in poor condition weren't fed well enough

jersey101

Got 3.5l of albex today for 85e and a free packet of gloves
They had a 10l one there with a free dosing hook aswell

kevthegaff

just dried off the last 40 this morning, heading to the irish match tonight:D, i had one with very thick milk like mastitis, i put up antibiotic tubes up her. what do ye do when ye face that problem?

whelan1

Dried off 15 this morning heading now to dose them

td5man

whelan1 wrote: »

Dried off 15 this morning heading now to dose them

What dose you using?

jersey101

Lost our prescription some how
Waiting on a new one for the last week. Have 30 cows i need to dry off asap.

Timmaay

Dried off 2 heifers today! I'm giving the heifers and any thin cows 11wks, and everything else 7weeks. Nothing calving until end of Jan, so not much to dryoff yet.

case 956

nothing dry yet but be pulling 22 feb calvers and any thin mrch calvers out late next week

vinne

kevthegaff wrote: »

just dried off the last 40 this morning, heading to the irish match tonight:D, i had one with very thick milk like mastitis, i put up antibiotic tubes up her. what do ye do when ye face that problem?

I'd use milking cow tubes for a few days to see if it cleared up, then dry her off

TEAT SQUEEZER

vinne wrote: »

I'd use milking cow tubes for a few days to see if it cleared up, then dry her off

could give her a bottle of tylan

whelan1

td5man wrote: »

What dose you using?

Endospec sc 10% . All done I love the dosing hook

td5man

whelan1 wrote: »

Endospec sc 10% . All done I love the dosing hook

Same here, what about fluke?

whelan1

td5man wrote: »

Same here, what about fluke?

That does for fluke and zanil at calving

td5man

whelan1 wrote: »

That does for fluke and zanil at calving

What about rumen fluke?

whelan1

td5man wrote: »

What about rumen fluke?

Zanil is for rumen fluke

td5man

whelan1 wrote: »

Zanil is for rumen fluke

Wouldn't it be better to do them with zanil now rather than carrying rumen fluke for the dry period?

td5man

whelan1 wrote: »

Zanil is for rumen fluke

Wouldn't it be better to do them with zanil now rather than carrying rumen fluke for the dry period?

whelan1

I am only doing what my vet told me to do

mahoney_j

td5man wrote: »

Wouldn't it be better to do them with zanil now rather than carrying rumen fluke for the dry period?

Rumen fluke is a totall fad I think I had a faceal sampke taken last year showed up high levels of rumen fluke eggs and this year low level of eggs and I never dosed for it.cows all in super knick too.for anyone interested I just got an e mail confirmation that endofluke can now be used in dairy animals from my vet.

mahoney_j

td5man wrote: »

Wouldn't it be better to do them with zanil now rather than carrying rumen fluke for the dry period?

Rumen fluke is a totall fad I think I had a faceal sampke taken last year showed up high levels of rumen fluke eggs and this year low level of eggs and I never dosed for it.cows all in super knick too.for anyone interested I just got an e mail confirmation that endofluke can now be used in dairy animals from my vet.

td5man

whelan1 wrote: »

I am only doing what my vet told me to do

The vets will tell you what suits them.
Mine told me there was no need to be vacinating the cows, got them sampled myself and started vaccinating and he turns round and tells me i should have been vaccinating.

whelan1

Prefer to do the zanil than not do it. But each to their own

RobertKK

Going to do my calves/weanlings for rumen fluke, vet recommendation, said the cows should be fine if I never had a problem before with it, which I hadn't, my brother in law did in the past and animals just went down and never recovered, so as Whelan1 says, each to their own.

Thinking of not using any antibiotic dry cow therapy this year and use a teat sealer instead, cell count is at 185k.
Back in 2010, got snowed in with nothing to use but it worked out fine.

Viewtodiefor

RobertKK wrote: »

Going to do my calves/weanlings for rumen fluke, vet recommendation, said the cows should be fine if I never had a problem before with it, which I hadn't, my brother in law did in the past and animals just went down and never recovered, so as Whelan1 says, each to their own.

Thinking of not using any antibiotic dry cow therapy this year and use a teat sealer instead, cell count is at 185k.
Back in 2010, got snowed in with nothing to use but it worked out fine.

For what it's worth there is no way I wouldn't use dry cow tubes. Kildalton did a trial on a batch of cows few yrs back and even though they had low cell going into winter they were all over the place in nxt year, some had to be culled

mahoney_j

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

For what it's worth there is no way I wouldn't use dry cow tubes. Kildalton did a trial on a batch of cows few yrs back and even though they had low cell going into winter they were all over the place in nxt year, some had to be culled

Fully agree its a big risk to take not putting anti tubes in when drying off.at a cell count of 185 k I'd certainly not be chancing it,it's a good cell count figure but not great.

mahoney_j

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

For what it's worth there is no way I wouldn't use dry cow tubes. Kildalton did a trial on a batch of cows few yrs back and even though they had low cell going into winter they were all over the place in nxt year, some had to be culled

Fully agree its a big risk to take not putting anti tubes in when drying off.at a cell count of 185 k I'd certainly not be chancing it,it's a good cell count figure but not great.

jersey101

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

For what it's worth there is no way I wouldn't use dry cow tubes. Kildalton did a trial on a batch of cows few yrs back and even though they had low cell going into winter they were all over the place in nxt year, some had to be culled

ye they were still sore over it when i was there. It was a project a WIT student did. Didnt go down well tge following year

Viewtodiefor

jersey101 wrote: »

ye they were still sore over it when i was there. It was a project a WIT student did. Didnt go down well tge following year

Yeah think they won't be doing that again for certain!

stanflt

10 to dry next week that will calve before 10 jan

42- 48 days dry is enough here


Can't understand why lads let cows get thin so they need 12 weeks dry

That's a loss if 1000 litres a cow here and on years like this when profit pet litre will be over 20cent it's 200 euro a cow in lost profit

Not to mention that it way higher solids cause of late lactation which is more money

6480

stanflt wrote: »

10 to dry next week that will calve before 10 jan

42- 48 days dry is enough here


Can't understand why lads let cows get thin so they need 12 weeks dry

That's a loss if 1000 litres a cow here and on years like this when profit pet litre will be over 20cent it's 200 euro a cow in lost profit

Not to mention that it way higher solids cause of late lactation which is more money

have to agree with you there , when i dry cows here i split them into batches according to condition score

whelan1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just waiting to be cleared according to my vet,seemingly just a formality and a hell of a lot cheaper than fasinex.wont be using it for 3 weeks yet so I have time.

was in vets there, there is uproar that this hasnt yet been cleared for use in dairy cows, no idea when it will be

mahoney_j

whelan1 wrote: »

was in vets there, there is uproar that this hasnt yet been cleared for use in dairy cows, no idea when it will be

It has been cleared whelan,my vet told me this last week and I got e mail confirmation too which unfortunately I've deleted.also was an article in newsletter from Arrabawn with my milk cheque today so must be official .

whelan1

mahoney_j wrote: »

It has been cleared whelan,my vet told me this last week and I got e mail confirmation too which unfortunately I've deleted.also was an article in newsletter from Arrabawn with my milk cheque today so must be official .

ok , the girl in our vets- who is normally 100%- mustnt know...

Timmaay

And typical, my dad goes off and gets another bottle of Zanil, despite me telling him there was a full one sitting in the shed ha! Who is selling endofluke by the way?

kevthegaff

i got over 48c a litre for octobers milk, god if i had quota id be on the pigs back!!

KCTK

mahoney_j wrote: »

It has been cleared whelan,my vet told me this last week and I got e mail confirmation too which unfortunately I've deleted.also was an article in newsletter from Arrabawn with my milk cheque today so must be official .

Any thoughts on tramazole 10%? Can get 6 ltrs for €65, dosing rate of 10mls per 100kgs, would it be as good as endofluke?