Volvo d3 engine

cadaliac

A family member is looking at buying a new car. The s60 is on the cards but she is determined that diesel will be better due to her mileage.
Is the D3 Volvo engine a PSA unit?


Moreover, I have to convince them today that they will be better off in the long run with petrol. However, if I cannot convince them, is the D3 a good unit?
They will have the car for a min of 3 years and average 15 to 16,000 miles a year.

Realistically are they looking at dmf and other expensive repairs in a few years?

Bpmull

Is the car brand new or is it secondhand? Is the d3 not 2.0 the 1.6 diesel in them would be the Psa engine I'm fairly sure the 2.0d isn't a Psa engine.

bazzachazza

cadaliac wrote: »

A family member is looking at buying a new car. The s60 is on the cards but she is determined that diesel will be better due to her mileage.
Is the D3 Volvo engine a PSA unit?


Moreover, I have to convince them today that they will be better off in the long run with petrol. However, if I cannot convince them, is the D3 a good unit?
They will have the car for a min of 3 years and average 15 to 16,000 miles a year.

Realistically are they looking at dmf and other expensive repairs in a few years?

I have had 3 high miler Diesel engines and my wife has had 4-5 high miler diesel company cars and have had no engine issues with any of them.

If your family member wants to buy a diesel let her it's her money and her choice.

Leonard Hofstadter

Do Volvo even sell petrol engined S60s or S80s in Ireland now? In the UK the S60 is only available with a T3 (1.6 turbo) or a T6 (3.0 turbo straight 6).

The good news is that the D3 engine is an all Volvo engine - only the D2 model has a PSA engine, and soon, all Volvos will be using their own engine - unfortunately it will only have four cylinders rather than five like Volvos in times gone by had !

@80C/L

Volvo are owned by the Chinese now.

The 1.9 TDI engine was a Volkswagen Audi Group engine. That was in the 1st gen until I think 2004.

Actually I think the vag engine was a 2.4?

The 1.6 Diesels are PSA.

1st and 2nd Gen all the 5 cylinder engines are Volvo.

The 5 cylinder 2.0T 180hp petrol is a beautifully smooth engine.

If it were I, then I'd be more inclined to buy the 2.0T petrol and convert to LPG now @80C/L and in some places 73 c/l if you get the gas where you got it converted.

Works out around 50-55 mpg in a far , far nicer engine and way better than the rough 1.6 PSA Diesel. I simply wouldn't buy the diesela of any kind any more.

The Volvo's love LPG too and run forever on it.

The new model s60 d3 is a 2.0 163 hp 5 cylinder and is a volvo

There is a new d3 detuned to 136 hp so watch out for that, I think it applies to 2012 or newer not sure.

bazz26

Deleted User wrote: »

Volvo are owned by the Chinese now.

The 1.9 TDI engine was a Volkswagen Audi Group engine. That was in the 1st gen until I think 2004.

Actually I think the vag engine was a 2.4?

The 1.6 Diesels are PSA.

1st and 2nd Gen all the 5 cylinder engines are Volvo.

The 5 cylinder 2.0T 180hp petrol is a beautifully smooth engine.

If it were I, then I'd be more inclined to buy the 2.0T petrol and convert to LPG now @80C/L and in some places 73 c/l if you get the gas where you got it converted.

Works out around 50-55 mpg in a far , far nicer engine and way better than the rough 1.6 PSA Diesel. I simply wouldn't buy the diesela of any kind any more.

The Volvo's love LPG too and run forever on it.

Mk I S40 1.9d was a Renault unit. 2.4d D5 is a Volvo unit.

Deleted User wrote: »

The new model s60 d3 is a 2.0 163 hp 5 cylinder and is a volvo

There is a new d3 detuned to 136 hp so watch out for that, I think it applies to 2012 or newer not sure.

D3 up to recently was a 2.0 litre 5 cylinder unit, smaller version of the D5. D3 has since become a 4 cylinder however but is available with 180bhp and 99g/km Co2. Pick of the bunch would be the D3 or D5 5 cylinder

oldsmokey

bazz26 wrote: »

Mk I S40 1.9d was a Renault unit. 2.4d D5 is a Volvo unit.



D3 up to recently was a 2.0 litre 5 cylinder unit, smaller version of the D5. D3 has since become a 4 cylinder however but is available with 180bhp and 99g/km Co2. Pick of the bunch would be the D3 or D5 5 cylinder

With you there Bazz, we've a 2.0 5-cylinder and its a peach

Sobanek

bazz26 wrote: »

D3 up to recently was a 2.0 litre 5 cylinder unit, smaller version of the D5. D3 has since become a 4 cylinder however but is available with 180bhp and 99g/km Co2.

Wrong, the D3 is still a 5 cylinder.
136hp and the old 163hp.
D5 now has 215hp.

Even the 1.6 Drive (D2) is still emitting 114g.

bazz26

bazz26 wrote: »

Mk I S40 1.9d was a Renault unit. 2.4d D5 is a Volvo unit.



D3 up to recently was a 2.0 litre 5 cylinder unit, smaller version of the D5. D3 has since become a 4 cylinder however but is available with 180bhp and 99g/km Co2. Pick of the bunch would be the D3 or D5 5 cylinder

One of them was a VAG TDI engine, and I think it was the 2.4, it certainly was on the older V70 anyway.

The D3 is now a 134 hp ?

Sobanek

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One of them was a VAG TDI engine, and I think it was the 2.4, it certainly was on the older V70 anyway.

The D3 is now a 134 hp ?

Yeah, in the S60... The one in the V40 has 150hp.

bazz26

Sobanek wrote: »

Wrong, the D3 is still a 5 cylinder.
136hp and the old 163hp.
D5 now has 215hp.

Even the 1.6 Drive (D2) is still emitting 114g.

Actually it's the new D4 engine that is a 2.0 litre 4 cylinder with 180bhp and 99g/km.

http://www.volvocars.com/uk/all-cars/volvo-s60/specifications/Pages/technical-spec.aspx

cadaliac

bazzachazza wrote: »

I have had 3 high miler Diesel engines and my wife has had 4-5 high miler diesel company cars and have had no engine issues with any of them.

If your family member wants to buy a diesel let her it's her money and her choice.

I will. Thanks for your opinion. I will also issue the best information I have available to me, to her. Which, is what she asked for. I am simply asking a question about long term reliability and the origins of said engine.

cadaliac

Sobanek wrote: »

Wrong, the D3 is still a 5 cylinder.
136hp and the old 163hp.
D5 now has 215hp.

Even the 1.6 Drive (D2) is still emitting 114g.

Thanks for all the replies.

According to the Volvo Ireland web site the D3 is a 2.0l that is emitting 137g Co2 per KM.
I cannot get the bhp or mpg from he same site though...
http://www.volvocars.com/ie/all-cars/volvo-s60/specifications/Pages/features.aspx#/?category=3379cf5d-08f2-4bfb-b97a-8da888cb1ad1

R.O.R

cadaliac wrote: »

Thanks for all the replies.

According to the Volvo Ireland web site the D3 is a 2.0l that is emitting 137g Co2 per KM.
I cannot get the bhp or mpg from he same site though...
http://www.volvocars.com/ie/all-cars/volvo-s60/specifications/Pages/features.aspx#/?category=3379cf5d-08f2-4bfb-b97a-8da888cb1ad1

Is she looking at a brand new S60?

D3 has gone - was 136bhp. Now only D2, D4 and D5.

New D4 engine goes in to cars built from next week onwards. 181bhp, 400nm of Torque (same as the 5 cylinder, but coming in at 1,750rpm rather than 1,500rpm) and emissions of 99g or CO2 - which should give fuel consumption of 3.7L/100km.

Also does 0-60 in 6.9 Seconds (but 0-100 takes 7.4 )

Outgoing D3 SE was €38,045 ex. Works. New D4 SE is €36,995.

Hopefully will get traction agains the A4 /3 Series.

Sorry to see the 5 Cylinders go, but the new 4 cylinders are being touted as the next big leap in engine technology. Seperate ECU for each injector, hopefully the reliability will be there.

cadaliac

R.O.R wrote: »

Is she looking at a brand new S60?

D3 has gone - was 136bhp. Now only D2, D4 and D5.

New D4 engine goes in to cars built from next week onwards. 181bhp, 400nm of Torque (same as the 5 cylinder, but coming in at 1,750rpm rather than 1,500rpm) and emissions of 99g or CO2 - which should give fuel consumption of 3.7L/100km.

Also does 0-60 in 6.9 Seconds (but 0-100 takes 7.4 )

Outgoing D3 SE was €38,045 ex. Works. New D4 SE is €36,995.

Hopefully will get traction agains the A4 /3 Series.

Sorry to see the 5 Cylinders go, but the new 4 cylinders are being touted as the next big leap in engine technology. Seperate ECU for each injector, hopefully the reliability will be there.

Well, it sounds mouthwatering but I think tomorrow when we see the salesman and talk figures (trade in) it will tell a lot.
He has two s60's in stock that are '13 cars albeit 131 regs. Both are the D2 afaik. One a powershift and the second a manual.
She will be trading an 08 Superb and the Skoda garage conversation will be happening next weekend. So, its more of a fact finding mission tomorrow. I am looking forward to the test drive, all the same.

An interesting fact when I was speaking to a salesman today. He said that they have only sold 1 petrol Volvo S60 since 2010!
I think it will be difficult to get the preferred D3 over the D2 also - when dealing with a demo or nearly new car.

As for D4, I don't know if I could recommend the engine for this person. I would be literally held responsible if there were to be expensive issues in a year or two, which lets face it, could easily happen.

If it was me - I would hold out for the D4. It sounds like a class engine. I remember when the 130bhp TDI came on the market. I also remember people saying that "there was no way that an engine could take that kind of pressure" -that was a big leap in technology back then, and successful too.
Anyway, thanks again for the replies and I will report back when she either gets horrified by the trade in price or gets sold on the test drive.

sundodger5

up until recently i had an 11 reg D3, the 5 cylinder as company car. i had it for 2 years and it went back with 160,000kms on it.
Never had a problem with the car.

cadaliac

sundodger5 wrote: »

up until recently i had an 11 reg D3, the 5 cylinder as company car. i had it for 2 years and it went back with 160,000kms on it.
Never had a problem with the car.

Cheers - Its the one I would go for. When I asked about the tax difference between the D2 and D3 today, both are €280 and the mpg is more or less the same.
I have heard so many horror stories about the 1.6 PSA unit its not even funny. Admittedly, most are down to the wrong type of oil being used. This is unforgivable in my book.
If she bought from a dealer (131 - 132) reg car, she would use the main dealer and service it on the button, as per recommended schedule. She just won't stray from the dealer - not a bad thing when dealing in a new car.
So, its more of a nervousness on my behalf about the 1.6, but not unfounded. There are 1.6 diesels up and down the country sitting on garage floors just fcuked due to bad oil and bad servicing. I do't think that they are that robust personally either.

cadaliac

cadaliac wrote: »

An interesting fact when I was speaking to a salesman today. He said that they have only sold 1 petrol Volvo S60 since 2010!

Imagine, someone spends nearly 40 K on a car and probably finance, paying interest say 8% =4300 Euro? + Depreciation probably 8-10 k after 3 years.

And then people are worried about saving a few hundred on motor tax.

Fair enough if you're doing 20,000 + miles a year then the diesel makes sense and would probably hold more value, then again you'd buy 2nd hand with a lot more miles.

cadaliac

Deleted User wrote: »

Imagine, someone spends nearly 40 K on a car and probably finance, paying interest say 8% =4300 Euro? + Depreciation probably 8-10 k after 3 years.

And then people are worried about saving a few hundred on motor tax.

Fair enough if you're doing 20,000 + miles a year then the diesel makes sense and would probably hold more value, then again you'd buy 2nd hand with a lot more miles.

In this case its more of a mpg issue rather than a tax issue. She has has diesels for the past 10 years and is reluctant to change.

cadaliac

cadaliac wrote: »

In this case its more of a mpg issue rather than a tax issue. She has has diesels for the past 10 years and is reluctant to change.

How do you mean mpg issue ?

cadaliac

Deleted User wrote: »

How do you mean mpg issue ?

In this case, she will, like you say, outlay a large amount of money on a car. She will also want a diesel because of the higher mpg and not the tax benefits.
She will be looking at the cost per week on fuel rather than the tax bill.
The tax is better on the diesel due to the Co2 emissions but not everyone understands that, Moreover, they don't really care when the daily running cost is less than that of a petrol.

cadaliac

cadaliac wrote: »

In this case, she will, like you say, outlay a large amount of money on a car. She will also want a diesel because of the higher mpg and not the tax benefits.
She will be looking at the cost per week on fuel rather than the tax bill.
The tax is better on the diesel due to the Co2 emissions but not everyone understands that, Moreover, they don't really care when the daily running cost is less than that of a petrol.

It would be interesting to know her mpg per tank reading ?

I presume the petrols are more expensive now under the Co2 system ?

It will cost about 2,102 Euro's for 50 mpg Diesel

It will cost about 3,611 Euro's at 30 mpg.

That's a difference in 1500 euro's

Motor tax say 300 in the Diesel V 1200 in the petrol ? a difference of 900

So a saving of 2400 a year over the petrol.

However that's not as big a bill as the interest + depreciation

Interest of say 8% and that's generous these days on say 40 K ? that's 3200

Depreciation of 10-12 K over 5 years and 80K miles +3200 interest (probably more over 5 years ?)

That's a loss of 15,200 over 5 years =3K a year loss.

The difference in fuel and tax would be 12,000 over the 5 years.

So I suppose there is a good saving over the 5 years.

But depreciation + interest would cost more than the difference between the petrol V diesel.

But the difference in fuel and tax, 12,000 is still a saving over 5 years, that is if she can get 50 mpg per tank.

cadaliac

interest and depreciation would be more or less the same for both - albeit more deprecating for the petrol.

You didn't factor in the diesel issues that "might" arise after 3 years.

Anyway, its more of a personal preference with her for diesels. That in itself will be hard to argue against.
As bazzachazza said, its her money and her decision at the end of the day.

Also, is the petrol 1.6 really €1200 a year to tax? I din't know that.

bazz26

Just take note that the S60/V60 have received a facelift, will have a small effect on resale values of pre facelift models:

cadaliac

Update: unless there is a massive price given for her trade in against a demo s60 it's looking like a Peugeot 508 now.

cadaliac

cadaliac wrote: »

interest and depreciation would be more or less the same for both - albeit more deprecating for the petrol.

You didn't factor in the diesel issues that "might" arise after 3 years.

Anyway, its more of a personal preference with her for diesels. That in itself will be hard to argue against.
As bazzachazza said, its her money and her decision at the end of the day.

Also, is the petrol 1.6 really €1200 a year to tax? I din't know that.

Oh god there is actually a 1.6 engine .? Is it turbo at least, and hp ?

Old diesel

cadaliac wrote: »

Update: unless there is a massive price given for her trade in against a demo s60 it's looking like a Peugeot 508 now.

What kind of spec on the 508??? - sat in a couple at the ploughing championships - massive difference when you start adding leather and such things - much nicer.

They do look well though .

Would she not consider another Superb???

cadaliac

Old diesel wrote: »

What kind of spec on the 508??? - sat in a couple at the ploughing championships - massive difference when you start adding leather and such things - much nicer.

They do look well though .

Would she not consider another Superb???

This:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Peugeot/508/ALLURE-2/36513821110891730/advert?channel=CARS
Its lovely.

R.O.R

cadaliac wrote: »

This:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Peugeot/508/ALLURE-2/36513821110891730/advert?channel=CARS
Its lovely.

Decent car, not bad to drive, great specification. About 30 % of the car the S60 is, and will be worth about 30 % of what the Volvo will be worth in a few years.

cadaliac

R.O.R wrote: »

Decent car, not bad to drive, great specification. About 30 % of the car the S60 is, and will be worth about 30 % of what the Volvo will be worth in a few years.

Agreed, but the price to change will dictate. I don't think she will go for the Volvo now after seeing the Pug.
I have to wait until Monday to see what the cost to change will work out at for both cars. To be honest, there could be a €8,000 difference. I also think that she actually prefers the Pug, looks wise and the fact that it ticks all the boxes (leather and looks)...
There was no D3 engined s60 manual available today - anyway she really liked the Pug looks

Old diesel

cadaliac wrote: »

This:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Peugeot/508/ALLURE-2/36513821110891730/advert?channel=CARS
Its lovely.

Looks good - have you driven it at all.


Id try the Superb too if I were her.

As a broader question - does the 508 have the same type of ride comfort as older French cars like 406s.

guessing the answer is no .

visual

cadaliac wrote: »

So, its more of a nervousness on my behalf about the 1.6, but not unfounded. There are 1.6 diesels up and down the country sitting on garage floors just fcuked due to bad oil and bad servicing. I do't think that they are that robust personally either.

I don't buy into wrong oil bad service bull.
That excuse has been over used by too many manufacturers when they have a bad engine or problems with turbo and dpf.

cadaliac

Old diesel wrote: »

Looks good - have you driven it at all.


Id try the Superb too if I were her.

As a broader question - does the 508 have the same type of ride comfort as older French cars like 406s.

guessing the answer is no .

I haven't driven the 508 yet so I can't comment. However I believe that it a step forward fro the 407. That is a good thing. However, is it better than the old yardstick of family car handling - the 406? I don't know. As a previous 406 owner myself I can't wait to test drive the car.
From what i am reading on the reviews, the Mondeo is the current yardstick.
She is trading a Superb but will be having the Skoda conversation with the garage where she bought the car next weekend. She still hasn't got quotes from the Volvo garage or the Peugeot garage for the cost to change. The Pug could easily be dropped if the Skoda dealership trumps the trade in price come next weekend.
TBH I think she is tired of the size of the Superb and would secretly like to downsize.

cadaliac

visual wrote: »

I don't buy into wrong oil bad service bull.
That excuse has been over used by too many manufacturers when they have a bad engine or problems with turbo and dpf.

Well, yes I would have to agree. The thing is in everything too. All the D2 Volvos, the 508 and all the french stuff. Fords and its used somewhere else too.
I spend the day convincing her not to go near the 1.6, in any guise or form. D3 only in the S60 and 2.0 in the 508.
I wonder what the TDI 1.6 is like in the Octavia? I havent heard any poor reports about it though.

Bpmull

cadaliac wrote: »

Well, yes I would have to agree. The thing is in everything too. All the D2 Volvos, the 508 and all the french stuff. Fords and its used somewhere else too.
I spend the day convincing her not to go near the 1.6, in any guise or form. D3 only in the S60 and 2.0 in the 508.
I wonder what the TDI 1.6 is like in the Octavia? I havent heard any poor reports about it though.

My parents have a 1.6tdi Octavia. It's not quick but not underpowered either. They have an older 1.9tdi one too. There is little difference between them except the 1.6tdi is a good bit better on diesel. In terms of reliability there one is just 2 years old has around 60k km on it hasn't caused any trouble what so ever. Well unless you count a blown drl bulb :pac: that's about all that's been replaced outside of normal servicing.

cadaliac

Update: She had the Skoda conversation on Sat and a new superb (141 reg) is ordered.
The skoda dealer offered a trade in that couldn't be refused and when we drove a few Octivias she wanted to stay with the superb.
2.0l 140bhp, DSG in pearl white. I personally can't wait until Jan to see and drive the car.
She found the wind noise in the Octavia quite loud. That swung it the Superb way. She is spending more that she anticipated but I think she will be quite happy with her purchase.

Old diesel

cadaliac wrote: »

Update: She had the Skoda conversation on Sat and a new superb (141 reg) is ordered.
The skoda dealer offered a trade in that couldn't be refused and when we drove a few Octivias she wanted to stay with the superb.
2.0l 140bhp, DSG in pearl white. I personally can't wait until Jan to see and drive the car.
She found the wind noise in the Octavia quite loud. That swung it the Superb way. She is spending more that she anticipated but I think she will be quite happy with her purchase.

Hope her new 141 reg Superb gives her lots of happy motoring - nice car.

Is it coming with plenty of toys???

cadaliac

Old diesel wrote: »

Hope her new 141 reg Superb gives her lots of happy motoring - nice car.

Is it coming with plenty of toys???

Park assist, leather, cruise, drl's, dsg box, heated seats, not sure if they are electric or not. We will spec the alloys this week.