Multiple Universes.

kneemos

Multiple Universes seems to be a fairly mainstream theory these days,if there are loads of universes do they have multiple Gods?

COYVB

Why would they have any?

freedominacup

COYVB wrote: »

Why would they have any?

Because in a infinite universe, by definition, anything is possible.

dmc17

kneemos wrote: »

Multiple Universes seems to be a fairly mainstream theory these days,if there are loads of universes do they have multiple Gods?

They'll have roughly 47 if I remember correctly

COYVB

freedominacup wrote: »

Because in a infinite universe, by definition, anything is possible.

Let's expand upon that logic... if there are an infinite number of universes, then there must be a universe that exists which no other universes can exist outside, which would mean that none of the other universes exist, meaning that there's no infinite possibilities, which means that the universe with those criteria is

a) the only possible universe

or

b) impossible - which means that an infinite number of universes is not possible, only an almost infinite number, which therefore hugely reduces the chances of any universe fitting any particular specifications we create for it

EoghanIRL

Do they have Atari jaguar ???

Dicky Pride

Do they each have their own master?

kneemos

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Do they each have their own master?

A God of God's who oversees the thing?

Banjo String

Dafuq do you lads be smokin at 5 in the morning an anyways

The Master

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Do they each have their own master?

Yes

Beruthiel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owmgkuZHx_I

kneemos wrote: »

if there are loads of universes do they have multiple Gods?

There are no gods in this Universe, or any of the other alleged ones.

BBDBB

The Americans want to know how much oil these other universes have and how many "advisors" should they send:cool:

OhHiMark

COYVB wrote: »

Let's expand upon that logic... if there are an infinite number of universes, then there must be a universe that exists which no other universes can exist outside, which would mean that none of the other universes exist, meaning that there's no infinite possibilities, which means that the universe with those criteria is

a) the only possible universe

or

b) impossible - which means that an infinite number of universes is not possible, only an almost infinite number, which therefore hugely reduces the chances of any universe fitting any particular specifications we create for it

What's an almost infinite number?

kneemos

COYVB wrote: »

Let's expand upon that logic... if there are an infinite number of universes, then there must be a universe that exists which no other universes can exist outside, which would mean that none of the other universes exist, meaning that there's no infinite possibilities, which means that the universe with those criteria is

a) the only possible universe

or

b) impossible - which means that an infinite number of universes is not possible, only an almost infinite number, which therefore hugely reduces the chances of any universe fitting any particular specifications we create for it

You could have an infinite number of Multiverses in which all possibilities would occur.

mr lee

op never mentioned the word infinite,that was plucked out of thin air,the way i see it anythin is possible,i rule nothin in and nothin out,maybe there isnt any god,maybe theres any amount of them,like families of them,we gotta die to find out

petes

Well if you watch any of the documentary's on the Sci-Fi channel then yes.

popepaisley1

OhHiMark wrote: »

What's an almost infinite number?

infinity minus one

Dravokivich

kneemos wrote: »

A God of God's who oversees the thing?

I think the question should be, is it Ra, Odin or Zeus?

nacho libre

mr lee wrote: »

op never mentioned the word infinite,that was plucked out of thin air,the way i see it anythin is possible,i rule nothin in and nothin out,maybe there isnt any god,maybe theres any amount of them,like families of them,we gotta die to find out

You might not find out. Personally the only concept of eternity i can get my around is the idea that this universe is on a never ending loop of universes that go in and out of existence.

Beruthiel

Dravokivich wrote: »

I think the question should be, is it Ra, Odin or Zeus?

It'll always be Bacchus for me. I'm an ardent follower.

foxyboxer

kneemos wrote: »

Multiple Universes seems to be a fairly mainstream theory these days,if there are loads of universes do they have multiple Gods?

That's a pretty loaded question! :pac:

Hoop66

COYVB wrote: »

Let's expand upon that logic...

OK...

COYVB wrote: »

if there are an infinite number of universes, then there must be a universe that exists which no other universes can exist outside

Logic, you say?

Someone once said that if you were to see a clone of yourself or perhaps a copy of yourself from another universe, you wouldn't recognize them, because what you see in cameras and mirrors isn't a true representation of who you are.

Having said that, I'd try and arm wrestle myself.

Wabbit Ears

I'd 69 myself.

Infinite gods would, however, disapprove.

kneemos

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I'd 69 myself.

Infinite gods would, however, disapprove.

You could fcuk yourself.

Nichololas

Hoop66 wrote: »

OK...



Logic, you say?

Logic and math.

edit: This is an inversion (uh, I think) of Russell's Paradox.

We are in universe A, and we can say 'there are an infinite amount of other universes outside of ours'.

Since we've stated that there are an infinite amount of universes, (and by extension, infinite possibilities), then there must be another universe Z where this isn't true, so there are no other infinite universes outside of it. So either we don't exist or this is a paradox.

NIMAN

Find all this multiple universe stuff hard to accept.

Supposedly clever people will say others are crazy for believing in God, but the same people will believe that there is another universe where there exists a replica of them but with different features.

Call Me Jimmy

Gonna be boring and just say that multiple universes exist in my opinion in the sense of perception. I also think language is not sufficient to convey any of them and so this discussion will be difficult, circular and resulting in infinite misunderstandings!

COYVB

kneemos wrote: »

You could have an infinite number of Multiverses in which all possibilities would occur.

If all possibilities can occur that means there'd be at least one multiverse where no other multiverses could exist in any reality

Whisko

Infinite does not mean every imaginable possibility.

If I draw a line, there are an infinite number of points along that line. There are also an infinite number of points outside that line. Not every single possibility has to occur just because something is infinite. There can be an infinite number of possibilities within a very small scope of difference.

COYVB

Whisko wrote: »

Infinite does not mean every possibility

over sufficient time it does

Whisko

COYVB wrote: »

over sufficient time it does

No it doesn't, it never does. Time is irrelevant since assuming infinite universes, there is also infinite time.

If you take a physical constant that applies to our universe, and say it is different in another universe, it doesn't mean that all values must occur for this physical constant, since there are also an infinite number of points between our physical constant and any other universes.

All possible values must occur, but not any arbitrary value outside the scope of possibility. As in, if more than 2 universes exist, it is impossible to have a universe where no other universes exist. It is outside the scope of possibility, while multiple universes still remain.

If God is an impossibility across all universes, then he does not occur in any of them.

Savoir.Faire

It's good to see that the line of inquiry first probed by Christian philosophers like Augustine of Hippo, through Thomas Aquinas and into the modern branches of metaphysics and the epistemology of being, space and time is still being discussed with such vigor by the cream of the Irish online message board community.

kneemos

COYVB wrote: »

If all possibilities can occur that means there'd be at least one multiverse where no other multiverses could exist in any reality

Doesn't make sense as the laws
of physics may vary from one multiverse to another.

Bog Standard User

if time didnt exist before the big bang then how could a god have existed evolved to a point of omnipotence and taken 7 days to create the universe and the earth?

Maximus Alexander

freedominacup wrote: »

Because in a infinite universe, by definition, anything is possible.

That isn't how infinite works. You can have an infinite string of numbers that doesn't include any 9s, for example.

SweepTheLeg

So there's an alternate universes where I'm a movie star who gets all the bîtches & hoes?

Damn.

Triangla

Zero times infinity equals zero

Whisko

Infinity^0 = 1.

Spooky.

Maximus Alexander

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

That isn't how infinite works. You can have an infinite string of numbers that doesn't include any 9s, for example.

6 would no longer be afraid of 7.

Hoop66

Nichololas wrote: »

Logic and math.

edit: This is an inversion (uh, I think) of Russell's Paradox.

We are in universe A, and we can say 'there are an infinite amount of other universes outside of ours'.

Since we've stated that there are an infinite amount of universes, (and by extension, infinite possibilities), then there must be another universe Z where this isn't true, so there are no other infinite universes outside of it. So either we don't exist or this is a paradox.

I understand how Russell's paradox works, but I think you're apportioning to much power to the concept of infinity.

It is not necessary for any universe to exist where (an infinite numer of universes exist outside of it) is false.

The Diabolical Monocle

Perhaps the problem is that we're tying up infinite possibilities with the limits of human knowledge. An answer can't be perceived because theres a part missing in the equation.
(infinte)+(our limited knowledge)=(incorrect answer).

(infinite)+(that which we're incapable of perceiving with our tiny minds)=(correct answer...which we can't perceive....because our minds are several leagues below the required intelligence)

It may be the case that we are like an ant looking at a jet engine - incapable of discerning any difference from the background, understanding any purpose, what it might be or comprehending how it might function.

Just too far down the line of sentience to even dream of making an approach to making a guess of how it might possibly function.

Basically we're Ralph Wiggum arguing over the color of chalk used by professor frink on some mad theorem.

OhHiMark

NIMAN wrote: »

Find all this multiple universe stuff hard to accept.

Supposedly clever people will say others are crazy for believing in God, but the same people will believe that there is another universe where there exists a replica of them but with different features.

They will have scientific theories to back up their arguments though. They don't just "believe" in it.

Maximus Alexander

OhHiMark wrote: »

They will have scientific theories to back up their arguments though. They don't just "believe" in it.

To be fair, some people do just 'believe' in it. In this case, the theories are just possibilities that are allowed by the mathematics. There is no actual proof that there are multiple universes and most physicists would phrase it as such. It's one of the possibilities.

loveBBhate

Banjo String wrote: »

Dafuq do you lads be smokin at 5 in the morning an anyways

Pubes.

The Diabolical Monocle

loveBBhate wrote: »

Pubes.

Theres another possibility.... infinite pubes.

loveBBhate

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Theres another possibility.... infinite pubes.

That'd be a hairy situation.

Hoop66

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Theres another possibility.... infinite pubes.

Oh, you've met the wife?

loveBBhate

Hoop66 wrote: »

Oh, you've met the wife?

We all have, the mutt.

Whisko

Every pube is an infinite pube.

Call Me Jimmy

Could pubes be applied to string theory? Maybe they could at least help us visualise the concept better?