Anyone able to do a quick calculation of fuel cost? - Details Included.

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Car - 131 Ford Fiesta - 1.2 Litre Petrol.

Petrol at local pump - around 1.44 per litre.

It's my sisters car and every time I borrow it she's like make sure you put €5 at least into it. This is really adding up a couple of times a week.

All I use it for (1 trip ) e.g is into town and back (door to door roundtrip about 2.5 kms).

Is she ripping me off?

Sometimes I could give her 4 x €5's for 4x2.5km trips. (so that's like €20 for 10kms and I pay for the parking and I pay for the additional driver premium on her insurance).

To be really specific:

with no traffic, a trip to town and back would take 7 mins maybe at 3rd/4th gear at about 30-40km per hour.

Vicxas

Well look at it this way. You're paying 20 quid for a 10km journey. So that's about 2 quid a km. seems a bit excessive to ask you to stick a fiver into it every time.

But on the flip side it's a bit petty to ask you to put 3.50 or a small amount into it every time.

Why not do the runs then give her maybe 10-15 at the end of the week?

quenching

There are most costs involved in running a car than just petrol......

The parking cost and additional insurance premium are entirely down to you.

If I was loaning my car to someone and they started complaining about having to put petrol in it I might be inclined to tell them they couldn't borrow it anymore and to walk. Cars are expensive things to run.

I'd say she's doing you a favour rather than ripping you off.

vandriver

If you consider that the fiver is ONLY to pay for juice,then you are probably overpaying by €4.70.
However,at the end if the month,when your sister has a car payment of a couple of hundred euro to find,or a full service to pay for ,or a new set of tyres etc,then your deal doesn't seem so bad!
The maths:
This car probably does 15 km per litre on the run described,@ 1.44 per litre comes to approx 10c per km,so 25c for your journey.

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vandriver wrote: »

If you consider that the fiver is ONLY to pay for juice,then you are probably overpaying by €4.70.
However,at the end if the month,when your sister has a car payment of a couple of hundred euro to find,or a full service to pay for ,or a new set of tyres etc,then your deal doesn't seem so bad!
The maths:
This car probably does 15 km per litre on the run described,@ 1.44 per litre comes to approx 10c per km,so 25c for your journey.

That's what I thought.

And further to the above, I didn't mention that my boyfriend spent nearly a year giving her lifts to and from college and leaving her down town on nights on and all he got was a thank you and when she went to buy the car she was €2000 short on the loan and I gave her €1500.

I think she is being quite unreasonably. She wanted the car so she can pay for it.

I gave her money towards the car and never looked for a euro back and now I feel like I'm filling it with petrol for her as well.

vandriver

Hmmmm,this is nothing to do with the fiver is it.

Ok, I'm really not being smart but why on earth would you need a car 3 Kms round trip ?

This is inconceivable to me, you could easily cycle this or walk.

This is what cause unnecessary gridlock on our roads. And pollution. Not to mention a waste of natural resources.

quenching

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That's what I thought.

And further to the above, I didn't mention that my boyfriend spent nearly a year giving her lifts to and from college and leaving her down town on nights on and all he got was a thank you and when she went to buy the car she was €2000 short on the loan and I gave her €1500.

I think she is being quite unreasonably. She wanted the car so she can pay for it.

I gave her money towards the car and never looked for a euro back and now I feel like I'm filling it with petrol for her as well.

Given the additional information it would appear your real problem is more of a family issue and probably not best answered on the Motors forum. You should really have asked "What is the cost of petrol to drive a 1.2l Fiesta 2.5kms?".

quenching

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Ok, I'm really not being smart but why on earth would you need a car 3 Kms round trip ?

This is inconceivable to me, you could easily cycle this or walk.

This is what cause unnecessary gridlock on our roads. And pollution. Not to mention a waste of natural resources.

Could be bringing 10 bags of coal to a grannies house, but that would add weight and hence increase the fuel cost

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Deleted User wrote: »

Ok, I'm really not being smart but why on earth would you need a car 3 Kms round trip ?

This is inconceivable to me, you could easily cycle this or walk.

This is what cause unnecessary gridlock on our roads. And pollution. Not to mention a waste of natural resources.

Why does everything have to be so personal. Always feel when I ask a simple question on here that I have to go explaining every detail.

As the poster above said 'heres the math' thats all I wanted to know.

I walk everywhere! most of the time unless its lashing rain which it was 3 times this week.

It takes 15-20 minutes to walk into town from my house, thats 40 minutes round trip and whatever I have to do in between. I walk up and down at least 10 times a week.

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quenching wrote: »

"What is the cost of petrol to drive a 1.2l Fiesta 2.5kms?".

That was all I wanted to know.

quenching

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Why does everything have to be so personal. Always feel when I ask a simple question on here that I have to go explaining every detail.

As the poster above said 'heres the math' thats all I wanted to know.

I walk everywhere! most of the time unless its lashing rain which it was 3 times this week.

It takes 15-20 minutes to walk into town from my house, thats 40 minutes round trip and whatever I have to do in between. I walk up and down at least 10 times a week.

But you didn't ask a simple question, you asked for peoples opinion which is never a good idea around here.

sebastianlieken

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Scortho

Yeah your sister is overcharging but at the same time she is giving you the use of her car. It used to piss me off when I had my younger brother on my insurance and he'd go take the car and not throw anything towards petrol.
Best thing to do is come to an agreement with your sister on how much you should be giving her for petrol.
If your not happy then it isn't that far of a distance to walk or you can get a taxi or buy your own car.

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another question wrote: »

Why does everything have to be so personal. Always feel when I ask a simple question on here that I have to go explaining every detail.

As the poster above said 'heres the math' thats all I wanted to know.

I walk everywhere! most of the time unless its lashing rain which it was 3 times this week.

It takes 15-20 minutes to walk into town from my house, thats 40 minutes round trip and whatever I have to do in between. I walk up and down at least 10 times a week.

Well if just the cost to drive the 3 km round trip is all you wanted to know then why bring the money you paid for the car in ?

I'm not attacking you but seriously if it's causing you agro then a bicycle is a very efficient mode of transport and cheap, and reasonably fast for such a short trip.

Sounds like your sister was not brought up to be thoughtful of others, and maybe she's a bit selfish or maybe was allowed to get away with murder. Maybe she has Daddy wrapped around her little finger ?

Can your parents not see that you loaned her money and it's not reasonable to expect 5 Euro's every time you use it ? if she asks for receipts then I'd tell her politely where to stick the car.

Anyway the "maths"

The 1.2 fiesta in town, (is this Dublin ?) will probably get 30 ish mpg on such a short trip maybe slightly less but lets say 30 mpg or 9.41L/100km or 10.62 kms per litre, and so 5 Euro's @1.44 P/L which is cheap ? you get 3.5 litres of petrol.

5 Euro's worth gets you about 3.5 litres so 3.5 litres x 10.62 = 37 kms

Put it another way the 1500 you paid and didn't get back would get you 11,000 kms @ 30 mpg on those short trips. More if you drive further in non stop start slow traffic.

I the car has a trip computer that calculated fuel consumption then reset it before you set off and note the figure when you return that will give you an idea what the consumption is per that short trip and post it here next time.

A full tank reading and calculation at the pump is the best way to calculate fuel consumption, but in this case it should tell us what you get on that trip.

Geomy

If I was stuck for a car and my sister gave me the loan of hers, id throw in a fiver without even thinking about myself.

After all she has the decency to give you the loan of her car, it keeps you dry warm and way more cheaper than a taxi, 2.50 each way that's nothing. ..

Geomy

Geomy wrote: »

If I was stuck for a car and my sister gave me the loan of hers, id throw in a fiver without even thinking about myself.

After all she has the decency to give you the loan of her car, it keeps you dry warm and way more cheaper than a taxi, 2.50 each way that's nothing. ..

Ye sure, but you're missing the point. The OP loaned her sister 1500 Euro's to buy the car and afaik didn't get it back.

That's 11,000 kms worth of driving @her 3 km round trips.

Geomy

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Ye sure, but you're missing the point. The OP loaned her sister 1500 Euro's to buy the car and afaik didn't get it back.

That's 11,000 kms worth of driving @her 3 km round trips.

Sorry I should have read it properly, my mistake.

Yeah it's a bit rich alright charging for it after he paying towards it.

Sam Kade

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Car - 131 Ford Fiesta - 1.2 Litre Petrol.

Petrol at local pump - around 1.44 per litre.

It's my sisters car and every time I borrow it she's like make sure you put €5 at least into it. This is really adding up a couple of times a week.

All I use it for (1 trip ) e.g is into town and back (door to door roundtrip about 2.5 kms).

Is she ripping me off?

Sometimes I could give her 4 x €5's for 4x2.5km trips. (so that's like €20 for 10kms and I pay for the parking and I pay for the additional driver premium on her insurance).

To be really specific:

with no traffic, a trip to town and back would take 7 mins maybe at 3rd/4th gear at about 30-40km per hour.

Where are you getting petrol for 1.44/litre?

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Sam Kade wrote: »

Where are you getting petrol for 1.44/litre?

Sligo

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Thanks for the answers above. My parents think she's very selfish, they wouldn't even help her with car, everything is about money with her. Her first car and she wanted a new one etc etc. I am not a mean person, like the poster above said 'if my sister was good enough to loan me her car of course I'd throw her a fiver', yes everyone would but when you a making 3 - 4 short runs a week I think it's very mean.

Even sometimes when shes headed the same direction as me and I'll say oh I'll get down with you she hesitates like. She's very much take take take with little return and I just feel shes taking the p*** but that's not everyone's opinion and that's fine too.

pred racer

Tbh, I'd get a taxi/hackney for my journey and look for my €1500 back!

I would never give my sisters anthing for petrol for a small spin into town, and if they offered it to me, I'd laugh at them. (even if it was a couple of times per week)

Edit: have you considered giving her an old fashioned sibling kicking

Voodoomelon

If you paid €1500 towards her car and have no intention of getting it back, i'd be telling her to stick her fivers up her arse.

Seriously, takes €1500 and then charges you for petrol? Something tells me you ain't gonna see 10% of the selling price back either.

Scortho

If she owes you 1500 I'd be taking something worth 1500

jimgoose

She's as tight as a duck's hole in water and ungrateful with it. Tell her to bore it and stroke it and drive it where the sun don't shine, and call in your €1,500.

Sam Kade

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Sligo

1.51 is the cheapest in mallow cork :mad:

biko

Petrol for a 6km round trip, less than 2 euro.
I think the rest of your posts goes in Relationship Issues.

jimgoose

biko wrote: »

Petrol for a 6km round trip, less than 2 euro...

Well under one euro, I'd say - unless that Feshty is doing about the same MPG as an XKR!

pred racer

pred racer wrote: »

Tbh, I'd get a taxi/hackney for my journey and look for my €1500 back!

Edit: have you considered giving her an old fashioned sibling kicking

biko wrote: »

Petrol for a 6km round trip, less than 2 euro.
I think the rest of your posts goes in Relationship Issues.

I think I already sorted out the relationship issue:pac:

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jimgoose wrote: »

Less than one euro, I'd say - unless that Feshty is doing about the same MPG as an XKR!

And it's actually meant to be very economical, so said the car dealer anyway when I went with her to see it and her motor tax is low.

I have no problem paying for what I use, even for the fact that I helped her out financially when nobody else, I wasn't expecting to have use of it for nothing but now that I know she's charging me way over the odds is just mean.

Like the two of us could be leaving the house at the same time, going the same way and she'd watch me walk before offering me a lift, I always have to ask.:rolleyes:

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And it's actually meant to be very economical, so said the car dealer anyway when I went with her to see it and her motor tax is low.

I have no problem paying for what I use, even for the fact that I helped her out financially when nobody else, I wasn't expecting to have use of it for nothing but now that I know she's charging me way over the odds is just mean.

Like the two of us could be leaving the house at the same time, going the same way and she'd watch me walk before offering me a lift, I always have to ask.:rolleyes:

Well in that kind of slow short driving i wouldn't expect more than 30 odd mpg. Nothing is very economical for that, apart from electric.

You could try a small claims court, even the summons would scare her but I would not be out of pocket like that 1500 Euro is a lot of money these days.

That's a hard lesson to learn but it's a lesson and any lesson you learn from is always good.

I would imagine a court will need proof though so if you can prove you took out the money at least around the time she bought the car you might have a chance, if you got a witness to back you up then even better.

I wouldn't fall out over it though, families and all, you need them sometimes !

Supergurrier

Walk and save the money.

Nobody is ripping anyone off. Clearly your sister thinks more of you if she is willing to let you use her car while you accuse her of trying to rip you off over five quid.

Buy your own car and you will quickly learn.

Add to this the inconvienience of having your car borrowed and not there for you to use whike paying tax insurance fuel servicing costs possible loss of comprehensive cover if you crash.

Tea 1000

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Why does everything have to be so personal. Always feel when I ask a simple question on here that I have to go explaining every detail.

As the poster above said 'heres the math' thats all I wanted to know.

I walk everywhere! most of the time unless its lashing rain which it was 3 times this week.

It takes 15-20 minutes to walk into town from my house, thats 40 minutes round trip and whatever I have to do in between. I walk up and down at least 10 times a week.

That's boards for ya!!
Anyway, look at it another way. The civil servant rate per mile is something in the region of 85c. Now their Unions went to town on it at the time, making assumptions like "You might not have a car at all and need to buy one for the job, so repayments on the loan and all have to be considered". So that is intended to cover fuel, wear and tear, depreciation, and even loan repayments.
So yep, she's too hard on you. No harm to remind her of your contribution, then agree on 50c a mile tops. That's closer to what private companies pay.

Tea 1000

Supergurrier wrote: »

Walk and save the money.

Nobody is ripping anyone off. Clearly your sister thinks more of you if she is willing to let you use her car while you accuse her of trying to rip you off over five quid.

Buy your own car and you will quickly learn.

Add to this the inconvienience of having your car borrowed and not there for you to use whike paying tax insurance fuel servicing costs possible loss of comprehensive cover if you crash.

She could have bought her own car if she didn't give her sister €1500...

Tea 1000

Tea 1000 wrote: »

She could have bought her own car if she didn't give her sister €1500...

Exactly, do people even read the full thread or just half ?

Supergurrier

Tea 1000 wrote: »

She could have bought her own car if she didn't give her sister €1500...

That's completely besides the point.

If you want your money go looking for it. Thread is about use of her sisters car so Iam only staying on topic.

Supergurrier

Supergurrier wrote: »

That's completely besides the point.

If you want your money go looking for it. Thread is about use of her sisters car so Iam only staying on topic.

No that "is" completely the point !

The op brought it up about the money she gave her sister, so it is quiet relevant to the discussion.

Supergurrier

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No that "is" completely the point !

The op brought it up about the money she gave her sister, so it is quiet relevant to the discussion.

Not really. Sounds to me like op thinks they partially own the car and they don't. Look for your money by all means but don't take the viewpoint of entitlement to use the car when it suits because you contributed in indulging your sisters need for a new car.

Your parents took the correct approach, live and learn

Craazysteve

Get the €1500 you're owed back, buy this Problem solved!

(yoinked that link from bangernomics thread)

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Supergurrier wrote: »

Not really. Sounds to me like op thinks they partially own the car and they don't. Look for your money by all means but don't take the viewpoint of entitlement to use the car when it suits because you contributed in indulging your sisters need for a new car.

Your parents took the correct approach, live and learn

For Gods sake, I don't think I partially own the car. As I have stated I am more than willing to pay for the petrol, as long as shes not taking the p*** which she is.

Nobody would help her when she was €1500 short and I helped her out, I said to her that I would like to have a insurance added to the insurance and she was all 'no problem' and cheesy smiley about the whole lot and now as people who know us have said, she would have said or done anything to get the car.

From the day she got it the whole thing changed. My additional driver was about €130 for the year, hers was about €1000. She seemed to begrudge my smaller fee.

And further to the above, I don't leave her without the car, she studies Mon-Thurs in college 9-4. I do fitness instruction in the town in the evenings. I walk when it's dry. I maybe drive twice a week from 7-8pm and maybe 2 trips to town on the weekend when she is usually to hungover to drive anyway and I might also add that I do my fair share of dropping her in 'her' car down town on a Saturday night and dropping her to work on Sundays at 12 because shes not sure if shes sober enough and it's all expected of me.

I know I sound like I have an issue but tbh I don't think I would have really if I didn't feel like she was trying to get me to cover her weekly petrol spend as well as contributing to the cost of the car itself.

And as someone else said if I crashed and had to claim...I have my own insurance, I'm not additional on her policy. If I crashed, I'd claim on my own, I wouldn't do that to her.

I just want whats fair.

sundodger5

seeing as the journey is so short just tell her you put petrol in it. she will hardly see the needle drop.

Jesus.

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Petrol at local pump - around 1.44 per litre.

Where are you getting go-juice at that price you jammy git?!!

lomb

You wont be changing anyone unless you use a show of force(this is how military and wars work) accept that. This usually isnt worthwhile in a 'civilized' society.
I would just say you filled it with a fiver and dont, Let her draw her own conclusions. In the mean time work on getting your own car.