Should Larry Gogan be axed from RTE 2FM ?

JUILLIARD

I think he should for costs reasons.

FearDark

Hold on there just a minute.

SEPT 23 1989

:eek:

Stheno

I thought he'd retired years ago then heard him on the radio on Monday :eek:

prunudo

There's a few more dj's I'd sack on 2fm before I'd get rid of Larry. The station is all over the place.

GSF

jvan wrote: »

There's a few more dj's I'd sack on 2fm before I'd get rid of Larry. The station is all over place

He is the only presenter not losing loads of listeners in the. Latest JNLR. Bit tough to kick him out for keeping an audience.

wnolan1992

As much respect as I have for Gogan, I've long been of the opinion that it's time for him to trundle off to weekends on R1 or perhaps an hour in the evenings on R1. Frankly, it doesn't make sense to me to have a "Golden Hour" on a station that still stylises itself as a youth station. Even if they upped the target audience by ten years he'd still be out of place IMO.


GSF, according to iLevel he lost 6,000 listeners.

grey_so_what

OP's dressed as trolls out early this evening I see...........:(

Busi_Girl08

wnolan1992 wrote: »

As much respect as I have for Gogan, I've long been of the opinion that it's time for him to trundle off to weekends on R1 or perhaps an hour in the evenings on R1. Frankly, it doesn't make sense to me to have a "Golden Hour" on a station that still stylises itself as a youth station. Even if they upped the target audience by ten years he'd still be out of place IMO..

Not much of a problem there seeing as every 2nd song is by the pussy cat dolls or Britney Spears.

Or maybe I'm just getting old

MJ23

I love when he gets the names of bands and songs wrong.
Westzone, Girls Alive, Red Hot Chilli Powders, Bruce Springclean.
Katie Kelly - Fireball
Arcade Funeral - Neon Bluebook
Jimmy Cash - Rim of Fire

love_struck

larry plays decent tunes but I imagine a well programmed machine could do the same

the man hasn't uttered an original or spontaneous line in several decades

he,s an incredibly uninteresting individual and I say that as someone who has nothing against him , he,s impossible to dislike because he doesn't have any personality whatsoever

Ninap

2FM should have died of shame the first time Smashie and Nicey appeared on the Fast Show. Way way overdue for rte to pension off their dinosaurs. But it was ever thus. I'm old enough to remember the late 80s when 2fm refused to play any dance/rap music. People then still thought Dave Fanning was cool, even though he knew nothing about music that wasn't shoe-gazing indie.

soc160

In contrast with Rte Radio 1 and Today FM the 2FM figures are ok, how many should they have really? I just think the station is attracting the wrong listener. It should be a national youth station aimed at 15-35 year old's (maybe 18-30). a certain set of circumstances needs to happen for this them to actually get a proper set of listeners.

RTE as a whole needs to reshuffle for one. Start by downsizing, there are too many DJ's on the roster doing niche shows for an hour or two, these should be the first to go or be placed into permanent shows. Move some 2fm dj's onto radio 1 and then let the others go.

Replace these with younger, cheaper DJ's from around the country, have someone actually search for younger talent who can fit a new sound.

There is a case for Lyric Fm to be shut down. It's market share doesn't warrant it's share of the license fee, the license could be changed and we could have a national "classic hits" "light" sounding station which would again open up places for outgoing 2Fm DJ's. It might not be everyones cup of tea but it would satisfy a very large portion of the potential market share.

A transparant hierarchy is needed, RTE need someone who isn't afraid to make changes and needs backing from the management above, BBC Radio 1 did this in the 90's and it worked, it brought in Chris Evans and boosted the station, they have began doing this again in the last 2 years with Nick Grimshaw becoming breakfast presenter.

But sure, that's just me.... any thoughts...

July Rain

wnolan1992 wrote: »

As much respect as I have for Gogan, I've long been of the opinion that it's time for him to trundle off to weekends on R1 or perhaps an hour in the evenings on R1. Frankly, it doesn't make sense to me to have a "Golden Hour" on a station that still stylises itself as a youth station. Even if they upped the target audience by ten years he'd still be out of place IMO.


GSF, according to iLevel he lost 6,000 listeners.

I agree. I think it would be good if Larry was doing a show like Late Date were he could choose to play an electric selection of music of his own choice.

bureau2009

If I were Head of Radio in RTE I would move Larry Gogan to Radio 1 and let him take over the Ronan Collins programme. I think this would suit Larry.

Of course, the tremendous benefit of this would mean that nobody would ever have to listen to Ronan Collins ever again.

Pighead

It would be radio suicide if 2FM got rid of Larry. He's sort of in the 'National Treasure' category at this stage. Imagine the amount of negative press they would get for cruelly tossing aside a man in his 70's on to the scrapheap. Not gonna happen.

bbability

Poll added to this thread. Looking forward to the results!

LeakyGee

Look, its not a case of 'Kick the old man out the door' but lets be respectfully realistic.

He's tipping 80 on a station that needs massive changes and really he should graduate to radio1 where he would
fit like a glove. Classic hits on Sat & Sun with Larry would be perfect.

He's a legend and a gent, but yes it's time for a change.

Carpet diem

His 'Just a minute quiz' is good but other than that i think the show is as interesting as lyric FM. Just my opinion!

Sir_Badshot

soc160 wrote: »

I.

There is a case for Lyric Fm to be shut down. It's market share doesn't warrant it's share of the license fee, the license could be changed and we could have a national "classic hits" "light" sounding station which would again open up places for outgoing 2Fm DJ's. It might not be everyones cup of tea but it would satisfy a very large portion of the potential market share.

A

You were doing OK until that. That is the single best entity that the licence fee pays for.

sabat

To paraphrase Smithers in The Simpsons-couldn't we just wait and let nature axe him for us?

grey_so_what

Anyone who gives out about Larry Gogan's slot inappropriately gets it from the Grey Brigade..........

:mad:

:P

Who would do justice to the "60 Second Quiz".............:eek:

(and be so nice about the fact the Contestant hasn't got a clue what the answer is????).........

Halloween is over - Stop picking on Larry.

soc160

Sir_Badshot wrote: »

You were doing OK until that. That is the single best entity that the licence fee pays for.

How so? It's figures are terrible, It gets a disproportionate amount of the license fee and it's returns are minimal, it's too niche to be a competitve national station, there is little demand for the station.

I mean, i'm not saying it should be shut down but the argument is there for it, if 2FM is performing badly should we not seriously look at Lyric too and consider it's position as a national broadcaster, particularly when the BAI seem reluctant to expand the national market and it retains the license. Could that license be better utilised as an independent running it as a competitive station which makes money and contributes something to the market, same goes for 2FM, would it be more effective under the control of an independent.

Elmer Blooker

NO
Larry is a legend..... end of story!

end of the road

soc160 wrote: »

How so? It's figures are terrible, It gets a disproportionate amount of the license fee and it's returns are minimal, it's too niche to be a competitve national station, there is little demand for the station.

I mean, i'm not saying it should be shut down but the argument is there for it, if 2FM is performing badly should we not seriously look at Lyric too and consider it's position as a national broadcaster, particularly when the BAI seem reluctant to expand the national market and it retains the license. Could that license be better utilised as an independent running it as a competitive station which makes money and contributes something to the market, same goes for 2FM, would it be more effective under the control of an independent.

RTES remit is to serve the markets that the commercial stations will never cater to, just like the BBC, that includes having stations such as lyric and RNAG, an independant if they got their hands on it would dum it down to nothing so i think its fine as it is

soc160

end of the road wrote: »

RTES remit is to serve the markets that the commercial stations will never cater to, just like the BBC, that includes having stations such as lyric and RNAG, an independant if they got their hands on it would dum it down to nothing so i think its fine as it is

Well that's on way to look at it. It wouldn't be my view of it, I dont think it should just float along like it is, anyway this isn't the place to talk about it.

Greyham

soc160 wrote: »

Well that's on way to look at it. It wouldn't be my view of it, I dont think it should just float along like it is, anyway this isn't the place to talk about it.

It's a fantastic debate though. Maybe the mods could split this topic?

Because here is how I feel you have to look at it. What you are arguing is that the license fee shouldn't be used to prop things up which are unprofitable.

That, is in essence, EXACTLY what it should do. As far as I know outlets like 2fm don't get any of the license fee anyway. But lyric arguably makes a artistic and cultural contribution to the nation that other stations could not as it would be massively unprofitable.

Look at this analogy: imagine lyric fm is an art gallery.

There are countless art galleries, exhibitions, etc around the world that are propped up by government money. Not just in Ireland, but everywhere. They may not have massive appeal but they are arguably a great outlet for abstract artistic expression that you wouldn't see in the cinema. They allow critical thinking and focus in a different sense.

Imagine Lyric FM as the radio equivalent of that. It costs a lot to keep and maintain the book of kells every year. Should we just throw it in the bin? No.

I'm not saying lyric is quite as artistically or culturally impressive as the book of Kells but it serves my point. Life, especially media/the arts/ entertainment is NOT JUST about whats profitable.

And no I don't work for lyric, I'm just an anorak. A radiowaves.fm exile, who misses debates like this.

soc160

Greyham wrote: »

It's a fantastic debate though. Maybe the mods could split this topic?

Because here is how I feel you have to look at it. What you are arguing is that the license fee shouldn't be used to prop things up which are unprofitable.

That, is in essence, EXACTLY what it should do. As far as I know outlets like 2fm don't get any of the license fee anyway. But lyric arguably makes a artistic and cultural contribution to the nation that other stations could not as it would be massively unprofitable.

Look at this analogy: imagine lyric fm is an art gallery.

There are countless art galleries, exhibitions, etc around the world that are propped up by government money. Not just in Ireland, but everywhere. They may not have massive appeal but they are arguably a great outlet for abstract artistic expression that you wouldn't see in the cinema. They allow critical thinking and focus in a different sense.

Imagine Lyric FM as the radio equivalent of that. It costs a lot to keep and maintain the book of kells every year. Should we just throw it in the bin? No.

I'm not saying lyric is quite as artistically or culturally impressive as the book of Kells but it serves my point. Life, especially media/the arts/ entertainment is NOT JUST about whats profitable.

And no I don't work for lyric, I'm just an anorak. A radiowaves.fm exile, who misses debates like this.

Possibly, I think we have enough of these threads floating about anyway.

I think that's a very valid point, the money could be used to keep it alive, using it as a platform for something a bit different, we need a variety in radio, i don't listen to the station but im not really there target demographic, i'm sure it's services are valueable. I'm just a bit concerned that the appetite for it is on the wain and we might be stuck with something for the sake of it. I do beleive that entertainment doesnt need to be profitable but if it's a state funded project it should at least be questioned.

To be honest I don't think 2fm gets any of license fee directly, but it benefits from the fee indirectly, studio, operations, news etc... even down to the stationary and electricity bills.

We should really be able to question RTE's intentions as a society. Pat Rabbite should be questioning the decline of it's national stations (bar radio 1) considering he wants to bring in a new communications fee, we should tell him what we want to pay for, take a survey and see what the publics attitude is, we are all anoraks here but the wider public might want something different.

I wouldn't accuse you of working for them don't worry, I don't think anyone on here works for RTE and very few seem to work in radio.

Loafing Oaf

Story in yesterday's Sunday Times that RTE are planning to scrap the Golden Hour, possibly move Larry to weekends or R1. Seemingly more about saving money than 're-imagining' the station.

bbability

Also in today's Evening Hearld... It's split the camp.

ford fiesta

His voice is still as fresh as ever

nocoverart

Ewww! Radio is so 1980's.

tomdempsey200

can we just close the station?

shutdown 2 fm..

SEPT 23 1989

Playing a bit of Ice Cube Put your ass into it

good man Larry

ford fiesta

Larry would need to stop playing that crap bubblegum pop from the late 90's / 00's. It wasn't a great period for music though he doesn't have to resort to playing that!

eoinkoenig

He's good at what he does but I think all good things eventually come to an end.

Black cat banger

Pighead wrote: »

It would be radio suicide if 2FM got rid of Larry. He's sort of in the 'National Treasure' category at this stage. Imagine the amount of negative press they would get for cruelly tossing aside a man in his 70's on to the scrapheap. Not gonna happen.

You can't be for real buddy ?

This guy is well past the retiring age and adds nothing to the station.

What a joke that a guy in his seventies is DJ'ing for a station supposedly aimed at the teens and twenties.

Only in a state subsidised radio station would that happen.

bbability

Black cat banger wrote: »

You can't be for real buddy ?

This guy is well past the retiring age and adds nothing to the station.

What a joke that a guy in his seventies is DJ'ing for a station supposedly aimed at the teens and twenties.

Only in a state subsidised radio station would that happen.

Larry is a nice man. He has loyal listeners to him and his show every day. His ratings are by far not the worst on that station. I don't think it's fair to pick him out. Seriously, write down all the names of the people presenting on RTE 2fm this week and tell me he's your first choice at change? There's plenty ahead of Larry the Legend! To be fair I'm sure he's a good return on his one hour show for the kitty. Age has nothing to do with this. Ok he playlist can be a bit quirky here and there but once again that's where the producer gets paid to keep things on the straight and narrow.

Maybe if RTE had the option of expanding RTE Gold, it could finally put this one to bed.

georgesstreet

Its kinda quaint that a station aimed at the younger demographics has a man who must be +-80 years old spinning discs from years ago and playing "requests". That his ratings are half what Tubridy gets should tell you all you need to know.

RTE's message about who 2FM is designed for is confused, mixed and incoherent. That individual presenters are "nice" or not is irrelevant.

Bogger Prince

Larry is great gas for an aul lad. I'd kept him for the choons alone

July Rain

bbability wrote: »

Larry is a nice man. He has loyal listeners to him and his show every day. His ratings are by far not the worst on that station. I don't think it's fair to pick him out. Seriously, write down all the names of the people presenting on RTE 2fm this week and tell me he's your first choice at change? There's plenty ahead of Larry the Legend! To be fair I'm sure he's a good return on his one hour show for the kitty. Age has nothing to do with this. Ok he playlist can be a bit quirky here and there but once again that's where the producer gets paid to keep things on the straight and narrow.

Maybe if RTE had the option of expanding RTE Gold, it could finally put this one to bed.

Larry was put back on weekdays from January 2010 because 2fm wanted older listeners, Now for some reason they want younger listeners again.

Welsh Megaman

ford fiesta wrote: »

Larry would need to stop playing that crap bubblegum pop from the late 90's / 00's. It wasn't a great period for music though he doesn't have to resort to playing that!

Sadly, this is 2fm bringing in their new music policy. As a result the Golden Hour seems to have lost its identity. Playing songs from The Killers and Kings Of Leon that are only a few years old are hardly 'golden oldies'.

Busted Flat.

JUILLIARD wrote: »

I think he should for costs reasons.

Costs don't come into it in RTE, when you are employed in RTE you are entitled to an income from the station till the grave. Look at Graybo, he is even on the Wonga.com add.

ford fiesta

Welsh Megaman wrote: »

Sadly, this is 2fm bringing in their new music policy. As a result the Golden Hour seems to have lost its identity. Playing songs from The Killers and Kings Of Leon that are only a few years old are hardly 'golden oldies'.

I do remember the Golden hour in 1986/87 and other oldies shows of that time like Michael McNamara on the weekend afternoons playing stuff that was from the early-mid 80s.

TheBoffin

Like it or lump it, whats holing 2FM back is the age gap between the presenters and the target audience and subsequently the playlist.

RTE need to follow the footsteps of BBC Radio 1 as a template for 2FM (not identically). They then need to cater for the audience that don't want the BBC R1 style format and perhaps put RTE Gold on FM and follow a similar format to Heart in the UK but with a more classic rock feel, move the older 2FM lads over to gold and promote radio recruitment with young talented people.

end of the road

TheBoffin wrote: »

Like it or lump it, whats holing 2FM back is the age gap between the presenters and the target audience and subsequently the playlist.

RTE need to follow the footsteps of BBC Radio 1 as a template for 2FM (not identically). They then need to cater for the audience that don't want the BBC R1 style format and perhaps put RTE Gold on FM and follow a similar format to Heart in the UK, move the older 2FM lads over to gold and promote radio recruitment with young talented people.

rte gold and rte pulse on fm, now that would be worth paying the licence to them for IMO

bureau2009

The "Just A Minute Quiz" is NOT legendary.

It is simply PAINFUL and decades past it's sell by date. :mad:

georgesstreet

bureau2009 wrote: »

The "Just A Minute Quiz" is NOT legendary.

It is simply PAINFUL and decades past it's sell by date. :mad:

I have not heard it in a while but his patronising attitude to those who did not do well was painful.

July Rain

JUILLIARD wrote: »

I think he should for costs reasons.

I wonder what money Larry is on at 2fm ?

Xenophile

JUILLIARD wrote: »

I think he should for costs reasons.

For the reason you state, as also it serves no function as a public broadcasting service 2 FM should be sold if they could get a buyer.

Busted Flat.

For fook sake is he still alive, I thought he went when the DVD's were invented.