'Polite and Safe drivers' in their 50's.

arleitiss

Bit of rant here...

I heard many people here saying that young drivers are rude and reckless drivers that put everyone else in danger, well after yesterday it hardly seems like a totally true statement, now safe to say the old people are even with them.

Last night was driving from Charlestown to city center through Finglas, there was an SUV in front of me, going like 40 km/h in 60 km/h (for me seems quite slow, so I decided to undertake (well bus lane was inactive), there was a car in the bus lane (taxi) which wouldn't let me do it safely, I saw the lights in front are green, so I decided to close up to SUV a bit to have more space to go into Bus lane, so I closed up behind them to about 3 - 3.5 metres and was about to change lane when the SUV hit brakes for a short moment and flashed hazards (I realized he did brake test and told me to **** off pretty much), at this stage I was able to go into bus lane, I did as passing the SUV I saw two elder people in their 50's show me middle finger (both of them) which I was pretty shocked and they had two kids in the back, I ignored and didn't retaliate back ( I admit, if it was some younger guys of my age, I would probably show something back), but I ignored and overtook them.

Okay, I admit it may've looked like some kind of tail gating (which it wasn't) but being so worried about your kids then doing brake test then acting like a total old f**k seems really best way to show you are not happy about something?

It seems brake test it a common thing in Ireland, isn't it?

dnme

Last night I tailgated this couple in a suv, then went to undertake them. Imagine my surprise when they put their hazards on (the basstards) and then they gave me the finger !!!!!!!!! agggrrrgyhghghgghghhhghgghhg

corktina

Old people? in their 50s? you know how to upset folk don't you!

arleitiss

corktina wrote: »

Old people? in their 50s? you know how to upset folk don't you!

Well, sorry, I mean in relation to me - old

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

You acted like a d!ck first, he returned the favour.

Red Nissan

I'm in my 50s and drive an SUV commercial and I've installed front and rear dashcams. 1080P that can read number plates pretty well.

My new hobby is sending off the excellent printouts along with a closeup of the offending number plate.

I know one woman who has stopped undertaking me, I don't know why, but she was my first customer.

oldyouth

arleitiss wrote: »

Bit of rant here...

I heard many people here saying that young drivers are rude and reckless drivers that put everyone else in danger,

You're proof of it by your own admission

arleitiss

oldyouth wrote: »

You're proof of it by your own admission

Yeah, because brake testing is totally okay these days.

SniperSight

arleitiss wrote: »

Yeah, because brake testing is totally okay these days.

Just like undertaking, yes?

arleitiss

SniperSight wrote: »

Just like undertaking, yes?

Not when the bus lane is inactive I think?
I mean it's just pretty much switching to bus lane and driving on it.

newmug

Ah give the gossin a break. We all know how it feels to be stuck behind someone noodling along at nowhere near the (already ridiculously low) speed limit. Its just one of those things, like bad phone reception and sh1tty weather, go with the flow and it'll pass.

First Up

If you came here looking for sympathy you must be very disappointed.

arleitiss

First Up wrote: »

If you came here looking for sympathy you must be very disappointed.

I am not, nor I care what others think, just wondering since when is the brake testing allowed? and what kind of retard you have to be to brake test with kids in car

Cleveland Hot Pocket

arleitiss wrote: »

Not when the bus lane is inactive I think?
I mean it's just pretty much switching to bus lane and driving on it.

When bus lane is inactive, it is the leftmost driving lane and all traffic should be using it.

Think of it as effectively a dual carriageway, if traffic is in lane 2 it means you must overtake the lane hogger but it doesnt give you the legal right to undertake (even if we all do it through necessity when confronted by an idiot.

arleitiss

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

When bus lane is inactive, it is the leftmost driving lane and all traffic should be using it.

Think of it as effectively a dual carriageway, if traffic is in lane 2 it means you must overtake the lane hogger but it doesnt give you the legal right to undertake (even if we all do it through necessity when confronted by an idiot.

so in which case it still means he was wrong by going in right lane slower than the left lane

Cleveland Hot Pocket

arleitiss wrote: »

so in which case it still means he was wrong by going in right lane slower than the left lane

Correct, but "he was also wrong" is not a legal defense.

Also, a TC is much more likely to charge you with dangerous driving for erraticaly swerving, tailgating and undertaking, than he is to charge the lanehogger.

Make of that what you will

arleitiss

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Correct, but "he was also wrong" is not a legal defense.

Also, a TC is much more likely to charge you with dangerous driving for erraticaly swerving, tailgating and undertaking, than he is to charge the lanehogger.

Make of that what you will

and what if they brake test and cause me to ram into them?

onemorechance

arleitiss wrote: »

I am not, nor I care what others think, just wondering since when is the brake testing allowed? and what kind of retard you have to be to brake test with kids in car

Since tail-gaiting has been allowed. Same kind of retard that tail-gates.

dgt

arleitiss wrote: »

and what if they brake test and cause me to ram into them?

Then you are wrong for hitting him

swarlb

arleitiss wrote: »

I am not, nor I care what others think, just wondering since when is the brake testing allowed? and what kind of retard you have to be to brake test with kids in car

Brake testing was introduced a long time ago, to be used only in the event of the following...
Testing to see if your brakes work....

HOWEVER

Driving too close to the car in front...
Using a Bus Lane (when not a bus, taxi or Michael O'Leary)....
Undertaking (except when in a hearse or owing a funeral parlour)....
Have always been against the motoring law !!!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

arleitiss wrote: »

and what if they brake test and cause me to ram into them?

This:

dgt wrote: »

Then you are wrong for hitting him

Again, them's the rules.

arleitiss

Anyway, I already said it may've seem like tailgating (which it wasn't as it was just a second or two), but it seems just a very idiotic decision to be so cautious about your kids to do brake test in front of the car, then acting like a pair of old sad f***s and showing middle fingers.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

arleitiss wrote: »

Anyway, I already said it may've seem like tailgating (which it wasn't as it was just a second or two), but it seems just a very idiotic decision to be so cautious about your kids to do brake test in front of the car, then acting like a pair of old sad f***s and showing middle fingers.

To be read as : I have since realised that they were a little wrong but I drove like an idiot and could have caused an accident

RustyNut

arleitiss wrote: »

and what if they brake test and cause me to ram into them?

Not able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear ???

First Up

arleitiss wrote: »

I am not, nor I care what others think, just wondering since when is the brake testing allowed? and what kind of retard you have to be to brake test with kids in car

I don't think he was brake testing. I think he was expressing his unhappiness at having you up his ass. If he was only doing 40, he was not exactly "slamming" on the brakes and if there had been any sort of collision, you would still have been to blame because you were too close. He was driving badly; you were driving illegally.

We all suffer from the behaviour of bad drivers and ignoring inactive bus lanes is a common failing. My main bugbear is people who settle into the middle lane on the M50 and stay there whatever. However sometimes you just have to suck it up.

arleitiss

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

To be read as : I have since realised that they were a little wrong but I drove like an idiot and could have caused an accident

Yeah, me wanting to move into bus lane and two old f***s doing brake test on purpose would be totally my fault.

arleitiss

First Up wrote: »

I don't think he was brake testing. I think he was expressing his unhappiness at having you up his ass. If he was only doing 40, he was not exactly "slamming" on the brakes and if there had been any sort of collision, you would still have been to blame because you were too close. He was driving badly; you were driving illegally.

We all suffer from the behaviour of bad drivers and ignoring inactive bus lanes is a common failing. My main bugbear is people who settle into the middle lane on the M50 and stay there whatever. However sometimes you just have to suck it up.

Well yeah, she wasnt brake testing, she was showing her unhappyness by turning hazards as well.

First Up

arleitiss wrote: »

Yeah, me wanting to move into bus lane and two old f***s doing brake test on purpose would be totally my fault.

The consequences would be your fault.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

arleitiss wrote: »

Yeah, me wanting to move into bus lane and two old f***s doing brake test on purpose would be totally my fault.

Yes it would actually.
You are attempting to undertake (illegal) and are saying when they braked you were too close causing a near accident.
What if they actually had to brake if there was a child on the road or something? They brake and you hit the back of them?
Your fault, claim on your record and probably a conviction for dangerous driving if there were impartial witnesses.

I think you should stop racing and drive appropriately to the road conditions.

arleitiss

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Yes it would actually.
You are attempting to undertake (illegal) and are saying when they braked you were too close causing a near accident.
What if they actually had to brake if there was a child on the road or something? They brake and you hit the back of them?
Your fault, claim on your record and probably a conviction for dangerous driving if there were impartial witnesses.

I think you should stop racing and drive appropriately to the road conditions.

Okay, so by following few peoples logic:
It is wrong to tail gate, it is ok to apply brakes and show your unhappyness, whoever has children on board is always right and can use lanes as they wish.

So the conclusion is: next time I come up behind a lane hogger with old f***s, I can just flash my lights to them to express my "unhappyness"?

sounds decent enough then.

onemorechance

arleitiss wrote: »

Well yeah, she wasnt brake testing, she was showing her unhappyness by turning hazards as well.

Hazard lights are to notify other road users of a hazard; it seems that in this case the hazard was you.

First Up

arleitiss wrote: »

Okay, so by following few peoples logic:
It is wrong to tail gate, it is ok to apply brakes and show your unhappyness, whoever has children on board is always right and can use lanes as they wish.

So the conclusion is: next time I come up behind a lane hogger with old f***s, I can just flash my lights to them to express my "unhappyness"?

sounds decent enough then.

Glad to help.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

arleitiss wrote: »

Okay, so by following few peoples logic:
It is wrong to tail gate, it is ok to apply brakes and show your unhappyness, whoever has children on board is always right and can use lanes as they wish.

So the conclusion is: next time I come up behind a lane hogger with old f***s, I can just flash my lights to them to express my "unhappyness"?

sounds decent enough then.

No, you are being facetious now.
You have presented a rant, we explained why you were driving like an idiot and why you would have been at fault if there were an accident.

Nothing to do with children. If you hit someone from behind (esp because of tailgating) then you are at fault.

Did you do your driving test yet?

onemorechance

arleitiss wrote: »

So the conclusion is: next time I come up behind a lane hogger with old f***s, I can just flash my lights to them to express my "unhappyness"?

No, just relax. You are sitting down after all. If you cannot relax while driving then you should not be driving as you are a danger to all other road users, in a similar way to those who drive while tired or drunk.

arleitiss

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

No, you are being facetious now.
You have presented a rant, we explained why you were driving like an idiot and why you would have been at fault if there were an accident.

Nothing to do with children. If you hit someone from behind (esp because of tailgating) then you are at fault.

Did you do your driving test yet?

That was a sarcasm btw I wasn't serious.

I did my test and I passed in one go even though 80% of these forums hoped I wont because I was driving un accompanied for 6 months.

challengemaster

Again, more proof you shouldn't have passed. Another idiot on the roads

arleitiss

challengemaster wrote: »

Again, more proof you shouldn't have passed. Another idiot on the roads

Oh well, would love to see you being stuck behind a pair of old people dragging a long slow, unless you are a lane hogger yourself, in which case - that's your opinion.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

arleitiss wrote: »

That was a sarcasm btw I wasn't serious.

I did my test and I passed in one go even though 80% of these forums hoped I wont because I was driving un accompanied for 6 months.

Sarcasm is not easy to detect in text format. I think you should go back to driving in the way you did when you passed your test. Otherwise, given your own posts, you are a hazard to other road users.

challengemaster wrote: »

Again, more proof you shouldn't have passed. Another idiot on the roads

+1

dgt

arleitiss wrote: »

Oh well, would love to see you being stuck behind a pair of old people dragging a long slow, unless you are a lane hogger yourself, in which case - that's your opinion.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the rush?

Too many times I've charged by people only to be held up in traffic, they catch up and back to square 1. I learned to take my time, not worth it

First Up

arleitiss wrote: »

Oh well, would love to see you being stuck behind a pair of old people dragging a long slow, unless you are a lane hogger yourself, in which case - that's your opinion.

You were driving into town through Finglas. What was this going to add to your journey - two minutes?

arleitiss

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Sarcasm is not easy to detect in text format. I think you should go back to driving in the way you did when you passed your test. Otherwise, given your own posts, you are a hazard to other road users.



+1

Well, I don't speed, I don't have any penalty points (well besides 2 I got when I was learner), I don't drink drive etc... only problem I seem to have is trying to be calm and patient with old drivers who piss me off a lot, tbh it wasn't the brake test that annoyed me the most, but the point that those old f***s were acting like two kids: "we show you middle finger so you can feck off".

Both looking at me and giving me signs without paying attention to road is totally responsible with two kids in the back.

arleitiss

dgt wrote: »

If you don't mind me asking, what was the rush?

Too many times I've charged by people only to be held up in traffic, they catch up and back to square 1. I learned to take my time, not worth it

Was tired after doing some work on car, after lifting and carrying tyres, just wanted to get home asap to shower, food etc..

First Up

arleitiss wrote: »

Well, I don't speed, I don't have any penalty points (well besides 2 I got when I was learner), I don't drink drive etc... only problem I seem to have is trying to be calm and patient with old drivers who piss me off a lot, tbh it wasn't the brake test that annoyed me the most, but the point that those old f***s were acting like two kids: "we show you middle finger so you can feck off".

Both looking at me and giving me signs without paying attention to road is totally responsible with two kids in the back.

Sounds as if Finglas was a pretty dangerous place that day.

onemorechance

arleitiss wrote: »

Well, I don't speed, I don't have any penalty points (well besides 2 I got when I was learner), I don't drink drive etc... only problem I seem to have is trying to be calm and patient with old drivers who piss me off a lot, tbh it wasn't the brake test that annoyed me the most, but the point that those old f***s were acting like two kids: "we show you middle finger so you can feck off".

Both looking at me and giving me signs without paying attention to road is totally responsible with two kids in the back.

Red Nissan

I think ye are all being too hard on the OP.
He has valid criticism of the SUV driver.
He lost his cool slightly and tried to jump into the bus lane.
Was the time mentioned?
Why did the taxi driver cut him off?
He has two reportable incidents here and potentially two offenses.
The issue with him in the bus lane is dictated by the time of day and if he exceeded the speed limit in his undertaking.

arleitiss

Okay, bit more detail:
This happened on a hill in finglas beside Lidl (esso station).
It was 19:40 or around that, it was Sunday.
The taxi driver was going same speed as me, around 55-60, so we were one beside each other, the car in front was going like 40-45, which means I reached it soon enough.

Galadriel

If something like that has made you so angry that you refer to them as 'old f**ks' at least 4 times so far how will you cope with the countless other idiots out on the roads?

arleitiss

Galadriel wrote: »

If something like that has made you so angry that you refer to them as 'old f**ks' at least 4 times so far how will you cope with the countless other idiots out on the roads?

In most cases things just resolve quickly, like on motorway, in most cases when I reach a lane hogger in third lane, he moves to the 2nd lane and lets me pass.

I have lots of patience, just not when someone who has "Children on Board" sticker assumes he has priorities.

flutered

arleitiss wrote: »

Bit of rant here...

I heard many people here saying that young drivers are rude and reckless drivers that put everyone else in danger, well after yesterday it hardly seems like a totally true statement, now safe to say the old people are even with them.

Last night was driving from Charlestown to city center through Finglas, there was an SUV in front of me, going like 40 km/h in 60 km/h (for me seems quite slow, so I decided to undertake (well bus lane was inactive), there was a car in the bus lane (taxi) which wouldn't let me do it safely, I saw the lights in front are green, so I decided to close up to SUV a bit to have more space to go into Bus lane, so I closed up behind them to about 3 - 3.5 metres and was about to change lane when the SUV hit brakes for a short moment and flashed hazards (I realized he did brake test and told me to **** off pretty much), at this stage I was able to go into bus lane, I did as passing the SUV I saw two elder people in their 50's show me middle finger (both of them) which I was pretty shocked and they had two kids in the back, I ignored and didn't retaliate back ( I admit, if it was some younger guys of my age, I would probably show something back), but I ignored and overtook them.

Okay, I admit it may've looked like some kind of tail gating (which it wasn't) but being so worried about your kids then doing brake test then acting like a total old f**k seems really best way to show you are not happy about something?

It seems brake test it a common thing in Ireland, isn't it?

in another 25 years you will be the guy in the suv.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

arleitiss wrote: »

Okay, bit more detail:
This happened on a hill in finglas beside Lidl (esso station).
It was 19:40 or around that, it was Sunday.
The taxi driver was going same speed as me, around 55-60, so we were one beside each other, the car in front was going like 40-45, which means I reached it soon enough.

I know that road well tbh, used to drive it every day when I lived on the northside. 50 is the max speed I would be going there, visibility is poor and there are lots of jaywalkers.

arleitiss wrote: »

In most cases things just resolve quickly, like on motorway, in most cases when I reach a lane hogger in third lane, he moves to the 2nd lane and lets me pass.

I have lots of patience, just not when someone who has "Children on Board" sticker assumes he has priorities.

Again, nothing to do with the children. Don't know what "old F**ks" or "children" have to do with it. They were in the right and you were in the wrong.
You can learn from it or you can put your head in the sand (I predict you will do the second) but either way, you were wrong.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

arleitiss wrote: »

In most cases things just resolve quickly, like on motorway, in most cases when I reach a lane hogger in third lane, he moves to the 2nd lane and lets me pass.
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Why are you not in the driving lane? (lane #1)