Pussy Riot and the "west"'s war on Russia.

SoulandForm

Very recently there was a demonstration held in Dublin demanding the release of Pussy Riot who are a Russian punk band which interrupted a religious service been held to in Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow to perform a blasmphous song mocking the Orthodox Christian Faith (as well Im sure to engage to general Russophobia). In the UK six counties of Ireland of which are part of people have been jailed for burning poppies and putting the pictures of them doing it on facebook- now whatever you may think of burning poppies there is a massive difference between doing so privately and posting the pics on your facebook page which no one is required to look at and going out of your way to mock people and defile what they consider holy; but we didnt see any demonstrations in Dublin for those jailed over that.

For the record I dont like Putin at all but that is another story- he is however preferable to some of his enemies and particularly those ones backed up by the Western elites despite his vile colonial war in Checynea and his anti-worker agenda.

Anyway I thought I would post some links here that would give the background to Pussy Riot and there sinister connections.

http://www.deliberation.info/pussy-riot-connections-to-soros/

http://orientalreview.org/2012/08/22/on-pussy-riot-cia-and-cultural-terrorism/

http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Pussy_Riot.htm

BloodBath

The people arrested were not charged or jailed were they? It's ridiculous that someone even got arrested for it but nobody got jailed. An arrest in the north of someone burning a poppy isn't exactly going to inspire people in the south to protest in fairness. We don't protest far more important issues.

Why should we care about some man in the UK?

Jezek

You haven't told us if you agree with the arrest and jail-time for Pussy Riot, please tell us do you agree or disagree with it?

Torakx

I certainly think they do deserve to be jailed, that was the consequence before they acted and so they must surely have wanted such consequences to occur.....
What a retarded way to protest. Make the ones you try to enlighten, tighten their buckles and dig their heels in more.
They are a damage to any cause they pretend to represent it seems.

Thanks for the news update OP I probably would never have heard about this.

What should be the question then, is why they would want to be jailed?
I would guess myself , for publicity or they are being paid quite a lot to go through this process..
Or theyare completely ignorant tools and then I just feelsorry for them.

SoulandForm

BloodBath wrote: »

The people arrested were not charged or jailed were they? It's ridiculous that someone even got arrested for it but nobody got jailed. An arrest in the north of someone burning a poppy isn't exactly going to inspire people in the south to protest in fairness. We don't protest far more important issues.

Why should we care about some man in the UK?

It was on the mainland and not in the north where this happened.

SoulandForm

Jezek wrote: »

You haven't told us if you agree with the arrest and jail-time for Pussy Riot, please tell us do you agree or disagree with it?

Yes I agree with their arrest and jail time. I also think that there is a case to made that they are also guilty of treason- like FEMEN which also carried out blasemphous attacks they appear to have very sinister (and male!) forces behind them.

And yes I am aware that women are often treated less well than they should be to put it mildly in the Russian Federation and the Ukraine.

SoulandForm

BloodBath wrote: »

The people arrested were not charged or jailed were they? It's ridiculous that someone even got arrested for it but nobody got jailed. An arrest in the north of someone burning a poppy isn't exactly going to inspire people in the south to protest in fairness. We don't protest far more important issues.

Why should we care about some man in the UK?

Yes that is true. There are much bigger Civil Liberties issues in both the UK and the ROI- such as internment through remand, the Special Criminal courts, etc. There are also serious issues to do with the work place and the treatment of those in percarious employment. So why are people getting worked up by what happened in Russia?

Jezek

I don't understand the view that it's good to punish people for offending/blaspheming etc. Whatever you think of a cause or a group, how do you justify jailing someone for protesting in a non-violent (although disruptive) way? Personally I completely disagree with punishment for such actions. I don't think how worthy the cause is should influence this.

SoulandForm

Jezek wrote: »

I don't understand the view that it's good to punish people for offending/blaspheming etc. Whatever you think of a cause or a group, how do you justify jailing someone for protesting in a non-violent (although disruptive) way? Personally I completely disagree with punishment for such actions. I don't think how worthy the cause is should influence this.

Offend in your facebook- dont break into a place of worship and do the same.

If Christians were to do similar to a Sikh Temple or a Muslim Mosque I would feel the same.

Brown Bomber for the record I have a serious problem with people attacking your Prophet and slandering Islam. I reject Islam but that doesnt mean that I dont see anything good in it or want to offend Muslims. I have Muslim friends and we have serious discussions and arguments- but there is a massive difference between that and me going into a Mosque at prayer time and preforming a punk song.

Jezek

I'll offend whenever I want, thank you, I won't just keep it in my Facebook.

Breaking into private property and other crimes should be prosecuted, obviously. I should be able to offend Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, everyone really. Why should they get a special pass and be able to prosecute me for offending them ? As long as I am not violent or inciting other people to be violent, I should be able to protest whatever I want.

Especially if those I'm offending are at a position of power, then really, they should have no special protection against offence .

SoulandForm

Jezek wrote: »

I'll offend whenever I want, thank you, I won't just keep it in my Facebook.

Breaking into private property and other crimes should be prosecuted, obviously. I should be able to offend Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, everyone really. Why should they get a special pass and be able to prosecute me for offending them ? As long as I am not violent or inciting other people to be violent, I should be able to protest whatever I want.

Especially if those I'm offending are at a position of power, then really, they should have no special protection against offence .

You have no idea of the magnitude of what they did do you?

Jezek

Well ,maybe there is something I don't realise! From what I understand they were in a position of weakness compared to the Orthodox church. But I don't really know the details of this case. Notice that I have been arguing from a position of principle for that reason! If there is something in this case to make it different, I would be open to learning more!

Torakx

Imagine they came into your house doing that.

A church or any other private building etc is like a private home, for like minded people to gather in harmony usually.
The property even if named as public is really belonging to some organisation or group.
All organisations conforming to the law are subject to the law and everything that goes on inside is the same.

We ourselves are private corperations in the eyes of the law.

These private corperations(protesters) entered another corperations place of business and disrupted it.
There are preset laws for those actions in different states to protect business from being interrupted.

If you understand the law, you accept the consequences legally.
If you answer to your corperate name, you are considered legally to undersand the law and are held to those laws.

The answer on wether someone should be allowed to enter your home and do what they like, I would hope is that they can't.
Because according to the law, I can't harm somone entering my home(unless I am in immediate danger), for all the above reasons and more.

The solution is to use a punishment thatdoes not directly or physically harm that legal entity and still maintains any value it may have for the state that the entity is registered.

HR is a common buzz word for Human resources, because we are actually resources for the state.
Who lends us out to other coperate entities for profit(tax).

I might be wrong on many counts here, but that is my very general view of things.

SoulandForm

Jezek wrote: »

Well ,maybe there is something I don't realise! From what I understand they were in a position of weakness compared to the Orthodox church. But I don't really know the details of this case. Notice that I have been arguing from a position of principle for that reason! If there is something in this case to make it different, I would be open to learning more!

Really? Internationally they were not in a position of weakness compared to the Orthodox Church otherwise they wouldnt have took the gamble. Their bluff got called.

If I burst in and preformed a punk song during a family occasion slagging off your mother how would you feel about that?

seanie_c

Pussy Riot and their affiliations are just a bunch of idiots that were used by the west for a political agenda against Putin. Femin is another group being used for political agendas.

With all the problems in the world today, the mainstream media thought Pussy Riot singing a song in a church was more newsworthy. That just tells you right away what this is all about.

There are very powerful and wealthy people that want Russia broken up so the resources there can be acquired for privatization. I'm talking about the mines, the gas, oil fields and the human trafficking.

I would piss on Madonna, Lady Gaga and all these other imbeciles that champion the cause of "freedom" and "democracy" in other nations when we don't even have it here.

Pussy Riot, like Femin and Voina are political prostitutes and nothing more.

Jezek

SoulandForm wrote: »

Really? Internationally they were not in a position of weakness compared to the Orthodox Church otherwise they wouldnt have took the gamble. Their bluff got called.

If I burst in and preformed a punk song during a family occasion slagging off your mother how would you feel about that?

How were they in a position of power? Isn't the church very powerful in Russia? I think a more apt metaphor would be me bursting into a catholic church during service and performing a song&dance about paedophilia and its coverup in the catholic church. Wouldn't be very welcome but I don't think I should be arrested and jailed for 'offending'

Torakx

Don't think position or power have anything to do with it regarding the two parties involved directly.
The land is ruled by laws the state maintains.People en mass agree with the laws, according to the law and so it is as it is now.

Considering my earlier post on corperations and identities etc, I would have to agree that other corperations are not allowed to tramp into my place of "business"(my home).
To agree with you means I would be agreeing that it's ok for someone to walk into my house if I accidently left the door open and start dancing around my kitchen banging drums.

If jail time does not rehabilitate those state assets, what do you suggest?
Considering those assets may be taking money from an outside source, I don't think a fine will solve the problem in their behaviour.

Corkfeen

The reason a church was used was because of the Russian Orthodox Church closely working with Putin's highly corrupt government for their own benefit.Like if you're looking for an authoritarian state,Russia have set the framework. Hence the protest.Plenty of Christian organisations support Pussy Riot btw alongside pretty much all the human rights groups.

SoulandForm

Corkfeen wrote: »

The reason a church was used was because of the Russian Orthodox Church closely working with Putin's highly corrupt government for their own benefit.Plenty of Christian organisations support Pussy Riot btw alongside pretty much all the human rights groups.

Plenty? Name two.

SoulandForm

Corkfeen wrote: »

The reason a church was used was because of the Russian Orthodox Church closely working with Putin's highly corrupt government for their own benefit.Like if you're looking for an authoritarian state,Russia have set the framework. Hence the protest.Plenty of Christian organisations support Pussy Riot btw alongside pretty much all the human rights groups.

The song and the band in particular mocked Orthodox Christianity- it was far more attack on the Church (and in particular St Mary) than it was on Putin.

Also....

"
The government and the oligarchs treated the Church well, as the Church had a strong anti-Communist tendency, and the haves were still afraid of the Reds leading the have-nots. The Church flourished, many beautiful cathedrals were rebuilt, many monasteries came back after decades of decay. The newly empowered church became a cohesive force in Russia.

As it became strong, the Church began to speak for the poor and dispossessed; the reformed Communists led by the Church-going Gennadi Zuganov, discovered a way to speak to the believers. A well-known economist and thinker, Michael Khazin, predicted that the future belongs to a new paradigm of Red Christianity, something along the lines of Roger Garaudy’s early thought. The Red Christian project is a threat to the elites and a hope for the world, he wrote. Besides, the Russian church took a very Russian and anti-globalist position.

This probably hastened the attack, but it was just a question of time when the global anti-Christian forces would step forward and attack the Russian Church like they attacked the Western Church. As Russia entered the WTO and adopted Western mores, it had to adopt secularization. And indeed the Russian Church was attacked by forces that do not want Russia to be cohesive: the oligarchs, big business, the media lords, the pro-Western intelligentsia of Moscow, and Western interests which naturally prefer Russia divided against itself."


http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Pussy_Riot.htm

SoulandForm

Corkfeen wrote: »

The reason a church was used was because of the Russian Orthodox Church closely working with Putin's highly corrupt government for their own benefit.Like if you're looking for an authoritarian state,Russia have set the framework. Hence the protest.Plenty of Christian organisations support Pussy Riot btw alongside pretty much all the human rights groups.

Human Rights groups?

An excellent take on Amnesty International is found here;

http://soviet.ie/index.php?/topic/617-amnesty-international-a-weapon-of-anglo-saxon-imperialism/

Corkfeen

SoulandForm wrote: »

Plenty? Name two.

Iona institute(David Quinn recently condemned imprisonment), I'll glance around for more as I have vague recollections of reading such opposition . Also here's a priest writing for Catholic publication who's not cool with it. Russia has no issues with the public beating people in a gay pride rally(no effort to stop the infamous honeytraps by neonazis) to a pulp but will jail those who protest their policies,they sound lovely.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2012/08/20/catholics-should-be-wary-of-supporting-the-russian-orthodox-church-against-pussy-riot/

SoulandForm

Corkfeen wrote: »

Iona institute(David Quinn recently condemned imprisonment), I'll glance around for more as I have vague recollections of reading such opposition . Also here's a priest writing for Catholic publication who's not cool with it. Russia has no issues with the public beating people in a gay pride rally(no effort to stop the infamous honeytraps by neonazis) to a pulp but will jail those who protest their policies,they sound lovely.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2012/08/20/catholics-should-be-wary-of-supporting-the-russian-orthodox-church-against-pussy-riot/

Thanked for the information about David Quinn- I have long suspected that he is a stooge of US Imperialism just like the character behind Libertas. He also supports the Zionist occupation of Palestine.

One Priest writing in one newspaper does not make plenty Christian organizations Im afraid.

Corkfeen

SoulandForm wrote: »

Thanked for the information about David Quinn- I have long suspected that he is a stooge of US Imperialism just like the character behind Libertas. He also supports the Zionist occupation of Palestine.

One Priest writing in one newspaper does not make plenty Christian organizations Im afraid.

I'll happily find you a few more later on.Why not explain why Russia are fine with public beatings and abductions of gay people combined with emotional torture.Shouldn't those people be jailed? They never get jailed btw.

SoulandForm

Corkfeen wrote: »

I'll happily find you a few more later on.Why not explain why Russia are fine with public beatings and abductions of gay people combined with emotional torture.Shouldn't those people be jailed? They never get jailed btw.

You mean Russians? They are not.

Corkfeen

SoulandForm wrote: »

You mean Russians? They are not.

Little has been done to stop it.In fact the so called propaganda law has enabled it.

SoulandForm

Corkfeen wrote: »

Little has been done to stop it.In fact the so called propaganda law has enabled it.

The Russian state though isnt fine with people giving a few slaps to Gay demonstrators- infact they carried out arrests of Russian patriots at the last Gay Pride demonstration in St Petersburg who were carrying out a protest against this intrusion of western values.

And no the Propaganda law does not enable violence or kidnapping.

You could also say that little is being done about "common or garden" crime in Russia as well which is why its important to get the Communist Party back in charge.

SoulandForm

Its very interesting that so many people get worked up about the jailing of Pussy Riot but completely ignore the jailing of Trade Union activists by the Putin regime.

Corkfeen

SoulandForm wrote: »

The Russian state though isnt fine with people giving a few slaps to Gay demonstrators- infact they carried out arrests of Russian patriots at the last Gay Pride demonstration in St Petersburg who were carrying out a protest against this intrusion of western values.

And no the Propaganda law does not enable violence or kidnapping.

You could also say that little is being done about "common or garden" crime in Russia as well which is why its important to get the Communist Party back in charge.

Including the arrest of the 30 gay pride activists.In fact they appear to have been the main arrests .Secondly the government is not attempting to stop honeytraps(The groups and their member's names are rather easy to come by) .If you stigmatise a group in law,it makes it far more acceptable to treat them differently and even attack them.If black people were legally viewed as equal under US law,do you really think that the KKK would have operated so freely?

Violent crimes against gay people have not decreased and for the most part appear to have increased since the law started.

SoulandForm wrote: »

Its very interesting that so many people get worked up about the jailing of Pussy Riot but completely ignore the jailing of Trade Union activists by the Putin regime.

I don't approve of that,I merely view it as further proof that Putin's government is extremely dangerous and doesn't care about what rights they trample on.It's just distinctly worrying that there are individuals that approve of some of those actions when they're in closer violation of basic human rights.

SoulandForm

You cannot compare black people and the horrors they went through to this situation; black people cannot stop being black people.

Corkfeen wrote: »

Including the arrest of the 30 gay pride activists.In fact they appear to have been the main arrests .Secondly the government is not attempting to stop honeytraps(The groups and their member's names are rather easy to come by) .If you stigmatise a group in law,it makes it far more acceptable to treat them differently and even attack them.If black people were legally viewed as equal under US law,do you really think that the KKK would have operated so freely?

Violent crimes against gay people have not decreased and for the most part appear to have increased since the law started.

Corkfeen

One cannot change their orientation. They are stigmatising a group in society,that group is under constant attack as a result.The parallels are very applicable even if you choose to deny it

But your big issue is that group that protests the currently developing situation in Russia.History will view them kindly like the many Russians that were jailed for protesting the Soviet Union.

SoulandForm

Corkfeen wrote: »

One cannot change their orientation. They are stigmatising a group in society,that group is under constant attack as a result.The parallels are very applicable even if you choose to deny it

But your big issue is that group that protests the currently developing situation in Russia.History will view them kindly like the many Russians that were jailed for protesting the Soviet Union.

While there was a hell of a lot wrong about the Soviet Union history has judged its destruction as an absolute disaster not only for the countries that made it up but for the rest of the world as well.

SoulandForm

https://twitter.com/search?q=pussy%20riot%20from:davquinn&src=typd

This character maybe should be investigated himself.

returnNull

SoulandForm wrote: »

You have no idea of the magnitude of what they did do you?

they offended russian zombie worshippers??

Russians take their zombie worshipping very serious.Was never gonna end well for pussy riot.

Torakx

God is a DJ .. not a zombie..pft :P

returnNull

Torakx wrote: »

God is a DJ .. not a zombie..pft :P

SoulandForm

Corkfeen wrote: »

The reason a church was used was because of the Russian Orthodox Church closely working with Putin's highly corrupt government for their own benefit.Like if you're looking for an authoritarian state,Russia have set the framework. Hence the protest.Plenty of Christian organisations support Pussy Riot btw alongside pretty much all the human rights groups.

You havent named a single Christian organization yet.

You have named two individual "Christians".

Russia is a lot less authoritarian than Ireland by the way.

returnNull

SoulandForm wrote: »

Russia is a lot less authoritarian than Ireland by the way.

it isnt its bollox.

Brown Bomber

Jezek wrote: »

How were they in a position of power? Isn't the church very powerful in Russia? I think a more apt metaphor would be me bursting into a catholic church during service and performing a song&dance about paedophilia and its coverup in the catholic church. Wouldn't be very welcome but I don't think I should be arrested and jailed for 'offending'

You might not deserve to get arrested but I'd reckon you couldn't argue with getting your face smashed in, I don't think the legal standing has anything to do with intentionally being a kunt.

As for Pussy Riot. I don't see them being anything other than Commie tools of the criminal Soros, - being either useful idiots or mercenary provocateurs - used to destabilise Russia through pressure from easily led, limp-wristed liberals who don't know any better.

Jezek

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You might not deserve to get arrested but I'd reckon you couldn't argue with getting your face smashed in, I don't think the legal standing has anything to do with intentionally being a kunt.

As for Pussy Riot. I don't see them being anything other than Commie tools of the criminal Soros, - being either useful idiots or mercenary provocateurs - used to destabilise Russia through pressure from easily led, limp-wristed liberals who don't know any better.

Great argument, violence against non-violent protest.

Brown Bomber

Jezek wrote: »

Great argument, violence against non-violent protest.

So you are a pacifist then?

seanie_c

Jezek wrote: »

Great argument, violence against non-violent protest.

"Forget about those pesky problems affecting your own country.
We here at Freedom News respect our viewers, we know you're intelligent and capable of independent thought. That's why we endeavor to keep you informed about problems overseas in countries that don't enjoy the freedom and democracy we've come to love.

As you know, we live in a Utopia where roses grow out of the sewers and everyone is joyously happy with popcorn and candy growing on trees. That's why it's so difficult to find topics you'd be interested in learning about.

We need to educate ourselves about where there is deep unhappiness in the world, then start bombing and shooting those people so they too can enjoy our perfect way of life and experience freedom."

Corkfeen

SoulandForm wrote: »

You havent named a single Christian organization yet.

You have named two individual "Christians".

Russia is a lot less authoritarian than Ireland by the way.

Will happily admit I can't find any others.All the human rights groups are of little worth I guess. Do you think this legitimises their jailing or something? Ireland is not remotely comparable to Russia btw.Ireland hasn't attempted to jail any member of a political party as of recent. Gay people are a hell of a lot safer etc. We sound awful.Even the very ability to have this discussion is proof that we're not particularly authoritarian.

SoulandForm

Corkfeen wrote: »

Will happily admit I can't find any others.Do you think this legitimises their jailing or something? Ireland is not remotely comparable to Russia btw.Ireland hasn't attempted to jail any member of a political party as of recent. Gay people are a hell of a lot safer etc. We sound awful.

Russia doesnt have "Special Criminal Courts" or the other draconian legislation that that the ROI has. It also has a media where you come across a far wider range of opinions than in Ireland. No Ireland is not comparable to Russia because the Irish in the 26 counties have become extremely effective in policing themselves and the government doesnt feel a need to mess with journalists as they do sometimes in Russia because dont report on things like police brutality or other stuff that is going on.

seanie_c

Corkfeen wrote: »

Will happily admit I can't find any others.All the human rights groups are of little worth I guess. Do you think this legitimises their jailing or something? Ireland is not remotely comparable to Russia btw.Ireland hasn't attempted to jail any member of a political party as of recent. Gay people are a hell of a lot safer etc. We sound awful.Even the very ability to have this discussion is proof that we're not particularly authoritarian.

I think you've been watching too much mainstream news to hold those ill informed opinions.

Let's just say for hypothetical reasons Ireland had vast reserves of oil and gas, the same as Russia.
Do you think it appropriate foreign bankers decide how that gas and oil be sold?

Would you say it's okay persons profiteering from that gas and oil pay no taxes?
Which is more democratic in your opinion ( assuming you believe in democracy )

Allow Russians to decide how their country is run or let foreigners do it instead?
Seems to me you'd prefer foreign bankers run Russia and not Russian people.

That's not really democracy though, is it?

SoulandForm

seanie_c wrote: »

I think you've been watching too much mainstream news to hold those ill informed opinions.

Let's just say for hypothetical reasons Ireland had vast reserves of oil and gas, the same as Russia.
Do you think it appropriate foreign bankers decide how that gas and oil be sold?

Or should Irish people decide that? Which is more democratic in your opinion, assuming you believe in democracy . . . :rolleyes:

The Free State elite gave away Ireland's natural gas reserves to Shell for free and used its police to turn much of Mayo into what looked like somewhere under martial law when citizens protested their plans. Both Fine Gael and Fianna Fail were happy with this.

Corkfeen

seanie_c wrote: »

I think you've been watching too much mainstream news to hold those ill informed opinions.

Let's just say for hypothetical reasons Ireland had vast reserves of oil and gas, the same as Russia.
Do you think it appropriate foreign bankers decide how that gas and oil be sold?

Would you say it's okay persons profiteering from that gas and oil pay no taxes?
Which is more democratic in your opinion ( assuming you believe in democracy )

Allow Russians to decide how their country is run or let foreigners do it instead?
Seems to me you'd prefer foreign bankers run Russia and not Russian people.

That's not really democracy though, is it?

As soon as Ireland brings in regressive laws against gay people,I'll totally agree. You seem to support vox populi which can harm minorities unfairly. Russia also has one off the highest levels of wealth inequality in the world. 35 percent of their wealth is in the hands of 110 people,Putin being one of them. Most of that wealth earned through crime.

SoulandForm

Corkfeen wrote: »

As soon as Ireland brings in regressive laws against gay people,I'll totally agree. You seem to support vox populi which can harm minorities unfairly. Russia also has one off the highest levels of wealth inequality in the world. 35 percent of their wealth is in the hands of 110 people,Putin being one of them. Most of that wealth earned through crime.

Now that would be just impossible.

The Bank of Ireland wealth of Nations report estimated that the top 1% of the population held 20% of the wealth, the top 2% held 30% and the top 5% held 40% in Ireland.

Corkfeen

SoulandForm wrote: »

Now that would be just impossible.

The Bank of Ireland wealth of Nations report estimated that the top 1% of the population held 20% of the wealth, the top 2% held 30% and the top 5% held 40% in Ireland.

Russia's population is 143 million.Ireland's is 4.5 million. So wealth is more evenly distributed in Ireland.There was never a question over that btw.

seanie_c

Corkfeen wrote: »

As soon as Ireland brings in regressive laws against gay people,I'll totally agree.

What laws are you talking about?
Again, you're completely misinformed.

You seem to support vox populi which can harm minorities unfairly.

No minorities have been harmed in Russia, you're being fed rubbish by the mainstream media who seem more concerned about demonizing Putin than focusing on internal problems facing the population.

Anytime western criminals want to attack a foreign country, they always talk about human rights and in particular the rights of homosexuals.

You have dozens of countries where homosexual activity is forbidden by law and yet America, Britain and some other countries that want to champion the cause of gay rights in Russia are mute.

That doesn't appear to bother you in the slightest though ....

Russia also has one off the highest levels of wealth inequality in the world. 35 percent of their wealth is in the hands of 110 people

And that's Putin's fault is it? Considering most advisers to Russia after the collapse of USSR were from Europe and America.

The main reason Russia has so much wealth inequality is because the economic policies during Yeltsin's tenure.

The "shock therapy" which was western ideas of how to plunder Russia and bankrupt it.

To assert Putin is responsible for wealth inequality is laughable but you're clearly watching too much mainstream news to hold any objective view of the situation in Russia.

Putin being one of them. Most of that wealth earned through crime.

That's a canard used by Anti-Russian people like John McCain who is in bed with a crime syndicate himself.

It was Berezovsky that accused Putin of being a criminal when he himself was busy helping plunder Russia on behalf of western bankers.

Yes, that's correct if you have the time to research. You'll see that Yeltsin was drunk all the time for a good reason, so that westerners could pillage Russia and leave the Russian people living in poverty.

Putin actually forced these oligarchs to start paying taxes and naturally some refused which indeed ended up in jail.

So, I'm mystified by people like you who come out in defense of Russian people and hold up these oligarchs as martyrs of Putin. It only illustrates ignorance on a massive scale.

If you're so concerned about crime in Russia, why doesn't Israel arrest Semion Mogilevich who's head of the so-called "Russian Mafia"?

Yes, he has Israeli Citzenship as do 7 of the 10 oligarchs that owned 2/3rds of Russian wealth before Putin intervened.

SoulandForm

Corkfeen wrote: »

Russia's population is 143 million.Ireland's is 4.5 million. So wealth is more evenly distributed in Ireland.There was never a question over that btw.

Im not going to defend the Putin regime however preferable it has been to the nightmare of the Yeltsin years but it should be pointed that the Left in Russia over whelmingly supported the jailing of Pussy Riot- mind you that is because Russia has a serious left unlike Ireland where the Labour Party and Sinn Fein are more interested in shoving political correctness down people's throats than defending living standards and seeking greater social power for the mass of people.