Cow ration Merchant credit etc

delaval

Opening this because Superlevy thread is going off thread

We can compare prices and bitch about millers!!!!!!!!

mf240

So lads I'd say a superlevy is looming large at this stage.

Any sign of supplies slakening off.

delaval

mf240 wrote: »

So lads I'd say a superlevy is looming large at this stage.

Any sign of supplies slakening off.

Where's Bob with the kick in the hole icon when i need him

Timmaay

Can one of the mods lump the last 2 pages of the superlevy thread in here so?

Anyways, another question about nuts/ration, We've cashman feeders in the parlour which will need replacing. Ration use to lodge in them, so we always use nuts, however many places quote 10euro or so a ton more for nuts. What make of parlour feeders will allow me use both?

mf240

280 a tonne blown in for an 18

Pay every load of two.

Can get maize/ barley/soya hulls for 210 collected but would need to add protien and minerals.

Have a friend who got distillers blown in for 250. And is feeding with wholecrop and rolled barley. Says its rocket fuel.

delaval

Timmaay wrote: »

Can one of the mods lump the last 2 pages of the superlevy thread in here so?

Anyways, another question about nuts/ration, We've cashman feeders in the parlour which will need replacing. Ration use to lodge in them, so we always use nuts, however many places quote 10euro or so a ton more for nuts. What make of parlour feeders will allow me use both?

Our pig feeders handle both

mf240

Timmaay wrote: »

Can one of the mods lump the last 2 pages of the superlevy thread in here so?

Anyways, another question about nuts/ration, We've cashman feeders in the parlour which will need replacing. Ration use to lodge in them, so we always use nuts, however many places quote 10euro or so a ton more for nuts. What make of parlour feeders will allow me use both?

Those pig feeders work well with ration, keep molasses down to 2 or 3 percent. And try to include some nutty ingredients.

whelan1

Timmaay wrote: »

Can one of the mods lump the last 2 pages of the superlevy thread in here so?

Anyways, another question about nuts/ration, We've cashman feeders in the parlour which will need replacing. Ration use to lodge in them, so we always use nuts, however many places quote 10euro or so a ton more for nuts. What make of parlour feeders will allow me use both?

we have cashman feeders but its the augers that would cause the problem more so than the feeders .

Viewtodiefor

mf240 wrote: »

Those pig feeders work well with ration, keep molasses down to 2 or 3 percent. And try to include some nutty ingredients.

Like Nutella ?? :-)

Timmaay

Just got a loft, and barrels over each feeder. On hindsight now Whelan, I wonder if the bigger issue was with them instead, no step in them like proper hoppers. Its probably 10yrs since my dad got ration, I may ask him the exact problems now.

mf240

Lol.

No like beet pulp nuts, distillers nuts, pelleted soya hulls,

Helps it move through the augers.

whelan1

Timmaay wrote: »

Just got a loft, and barrels over each feeder. On hindsight now Whelan, I wonder if the bigger issue was with them instead, no step in them like proper hoppers. Its probably 10yrs since my dad got ration, I may ask him the exact problems now.

i ordered feed online on the agrilink website a few years ago and it came as a coarse ration, i said a prayer every time i turned on the augers the noise from them was unreal:cool:

td5man

whelan1 wrote: »

we have cashman feeders but its the augers that would cause the problem more so than the feeders .

Same here :-(

td5man

whelan1 wrote: »

i ordered feed online on the agrilink website a few years ago and it came as a coarse ration, i said a prayer every time i turned on the augers the noise from them was unreal:cool:

Are they orby ones, they dont like being empty.

dar31

got a load of this to get winter feeding started, dont want to push milk, but keep cows in good condition, protein sources are spread out a bit to keep price down, good or bad idea,

18% Dairy

30% Rolled Barley
10% Maize Gluten
10% Rape Pellets
10% Soya Hulls
9% Soya Bean Meal
8% Flaked Maize
8% Maize Ground
8% Molasses
5% Rolled Beans
2% Dairy Mins

18.00% Protein
2.34% Oil
7.99% Fibre
5.25% Ash
11.00% ME
0.96% UFL

UncleGrrr

whelan1 wrote: »

we have cashman feeders but its the augers that would cause the problem more so than the feeders .

The hoppers are pretty much water tight. Or, at least they should be. the gap between the auger drop and cover on the feeder should be sealed with silicone.
Otherwise the feed is damp or maybe has too high a molasses level. It's happened before. The gap between the dispensers are set so that the feed should not bridge. The air feeders, if they are running at the correct pressure should be able to cut through most feeds, within reason.

On the manual feeders it can be caused by replacing the spring with a weaker one... That's the reason the spring had to be so strong. To cut through all types of feed.

Of course, don't leave ration in the feeder when you're dried off either... THAT WOULD BE JUST SILLY.

st1979

Anyways, another question about nuts/ration, We've cashman feeders in the parlour which will need replacing. Ration use to lodge in them, so we always use nuts, however many places quote 10euro or so a ton more for nuts. What make of parlour feeders will allow me use both?

Used old orby manual with old type auger with ration for 15 years. Only problem was auger if molasses was above 3%. Got orby air feeders and new coil type auger. No problems either but molasses kept low

UncleGrrr

td5man wrote: »

Same here :-(

Now that I think on it, check the cone on the bin. If water is getting in there it'll break your heart!
Don't know much about the meal bins but I do know that much...

UncleGrrr

Timmaay wrote: »

Can one of the mods lump the last 2 pages of the superlevy thread in here so?

Anyways, another question about nuts/ration, We've cashman feeders in the parlour which will need replacing. Ration use to lodge in them, so we always use nuts, however many places quote 10euro or so a ton more for nuts. What make of parlour feeders will allow me use both?

The feeders will handle both types of feed.

blackdog1

CashmanEng wrote: »

The feeders will handle both types of feed.

Need 2 cashman feeders refurbished. Think the drum in them is going. Know anyone who repairs thid? Its manual. Just occasionally gets stuck even with new springs and I have to give it a bang. Apart from that nevrr had a problem

UncleGrrr

blackdog1 wrote: »

Need 2 cashman feeders refurbished. Think the drum in them is going. Know anyone who repairs thid? Its manual. Just occasionally gets stuck even with new springs and I have to give it a bang. Apart from that nevrr had a problem

Sounds like one of the bushings is worn... Give me a shout tomorrow and I'll sort you out. Not an expensive job at all, only a couple of €. Number is on the front of the feeder! Otherwise DM me your number and I can give you a call tomorrow...

jersey101

Have a lad coming out to me on friday to sell ration for the cows. He told me he has an 18% ration there for 285/tonne at 0.96 ufl. The only real filler is citrus in it, mostly grain
What stuff should i ask this lad?

Timmaay

Jersey ya mind saying who that was, PM me if ya don't want to post it.

Anyways, my dad priced up winternuts in the local Glanbia store, the top spec one (Gain drive, 19%P) was 340, and a slightly lower 18% spec one was 330. Insane money considering other quotes I've got. We were talking about Glainbia and their 24% interest charges, if you are so stuck for credit that they are your only source of feed, you are going to be bloody hit on the double with a high feed cost also, assuming an alternative feed is 300/ton, you basically shelling out 13% more for the feed, and then the 24%APR to finance it.

whelan1

Timmaay wrote: »

Jersey ya mind saying who that was, PM me if ya don't want to post it.

Anyways, my dad priced up winternuts in the local Glanbia store, the top spec one (Gain drive, 19%P) was 340, and a slightly lower 18% spec one was 330. Insane money considering other quotes I've got. We were talking about Glainbia and their 24% interest charges, if you are so stuck for credit that they are your only source of feed, you are going to be bloody hit on the double with a high feed cost also, assuming an alternative feed is 300/ton, you basically shelling out 13% more for the feed, and then the 24%APR to finance it.

shop around there is no way you should pay anywhere over 300 euro a tonne for an 18/19 % nut

jersey101

Timmaay wrote: »

Jersey ya mind saying who that was, PM me if ya don't want to post it.

Anyways, my dad priced up winternuts in the local Glanbia store, the top spec one (Gain drive, 19%P) was 340, and a slightly lower 18% spec one was 330. Insane money considering other quotes I've got. We were talking about Glainbia and their 24% interest charges, if you are so stuck for credit that they are your only source of feed, you are going to be bloody hit on the double with a high feed cost also, assuming an alternative feed is 300/ton, you basically shelling out 13% more for the feed, and then the 24%APR to finance it.

bolgers.
285e for 0.94 ufl 18%
315e for 0.98 ufl 18%
Thats off the top my head now

Farmer Pudsey

mf240 wrote: »

280 a tonne blown in for an 18

Pay every load of two.

Can get maize/ barley/soya hulls for 210 collected but would need to add protien and minerals.

Have a friend who got distillers blown in for 250. And is feeding with wholecrop and rolled barley. Says its rocket fuel.

Just lookin at this MF if you mixed Distillers and Maize/barley/soua hulls at 4 parts distillers(40%) to 6 parts maize/barley/soya hulls (60%) you would get to 18% ration approx. Cost would be about 226/ton. Not sure of ME or UFL but you could feed 20% extra before you would hit280/ton.

I can see nothing wrong with this type of ration. As you are charged for blendinf maize/barley/soya hulls already should be no extra charge to blend in Distillers. To make a nut should cost no more than 15-20/ton That would be value

jersey101 wrote: »

Have a lad coming out to me on friday to sell ration for the cows. He told me he has an 18% ration there for 285/tonne at 0.96 ufl. The only real filler is citrus in it, mostly grain
What stuff should i ask this lad?

See above Jersey also ask for complete breakdown no harm either to get it tested after you get it we should all be doing it.

Timmaay wrote: »

Jersey ya mind saying who that was, PM me if ya don't want to post it.

Anyways, my dad priced up winternuts in the local Glanbia store, the top spec one (Gain drive, 19%P) was 340, and a slightly lower 18% spec one was 330. Insane money considering other quotes I've got. We were talking about Glainbia and their 24% interest charges, if you are so stuck for credit that they are your only source of feed, you are going to be bloody hit on the double with a high feed cost also, assuming an alternative feed is 300/ton, you basically shelling out 13% more for the feed, and then the 24%APR to finance it.

This is crazy pricing I look for rep and chaw his b#lls. 18% rations should be coming a nice bit less than 300/ton at present. Am peed off myself as am paying 240/for a 14% finishing ration spec is fairly ok and cattle are doing well, but when this bunch are finished will recheck.

stanflt

16% he hi maize
Sub 250


Lads seem to be getting ridden around here

whelan1

stanflt wrote: »

16% he hi maize
Sub 250


Lads seem to be getting ridden around here

am also totally amazed that some people just ring and order , dont ask price or ingredients:eek::eek:

Timmaay

Stan who is that from?

mahoney_j

stanflt wrote: »

16% he hi maize
Sub 250


Lads seem to be getting ridden around here

260 for last load of simillar here,blown in 3 weeks ago,huge variation in specs and prices around here.

blue5000

Timmaay wrote: »

Jersey ya mind saying who that was, PM me if ya don't want to post it.

Anyways, my dad priced up winternuts in the local Glanbia store, the top spec one (Gain drive, 19%P) was 340, and a slightly lower 18% spec one was 330. Insane money considering other quotes I've got. We were talking about Glainbia and their 24% interest charges, if you are so stuck for credit that they are your only source of feed, you are going to be bloody hit on the double with a high feed cost also, assuming an alternative feed is 300/ton, you basically shelling out 13% more for the feed, and then the 24%APR to finance it.

FFS the robbin bast***s it wasn't long ago they were trying to buy barley off the combine for 120e a ton. We'd all be better off crimping barley and balancing with soya and minerals.

bob charles

wheat price has strengthened allot, and is now at a premium over barley and maize. I would think barley price will aline itself just under maize so it they both will offer value for the winter. Im praying for grain prices to increase as if they dont every tom dick and harry will be feeding loads of it.

Timmaay

Whats everyone paying now for dairynuts? I rang around one or two places yday, local Glanbia store still looking for insane money, 325 for their best spec 18% (gain drive), then Quinns looking for 305e for P&V super red, and 285e for P&V Milk well. Anyone got any cheaper quotes for a decent spec 18%p, outside of buyer groups etc!

mahoney_j

Going to be short 3 days feed next week so I went to Arrabawn for some daury16%.quoted275 andvtoldvit was a very good mix.looked at docket ingridents in order.wheatfeed,Palm kernel,soya hulls,barley distillers.pure muck mix and in my view about 50 euro a tonne too dear.payed less from my usual supplier for a 16 % with maize soya wheat distillers,beet pulp and palm kernel.only short about1.5 tonnes and not going to get truck out from limerick for such a small amount.certainlyvwont be going back to Arrabawn nextcyear

Viewtodiefor

Timmaay wrote: »

Whats everyone paying now for dairynuts? I rang around one or two places yday, local Glanbia store still looking for insane money, 325 for their best spec 18% (gain drive), then Quinns looking for 305e for P&V super red, and 285e for P&V Milk well. Anyone got any cheaper quotes for a decent spec 18%p, outside of buyer groups etc!

280 at minute for 16% high energy 96ufl dairy nut.

A 16% 90ufl dairy nut at 270

18% so called top of the range are 295 i think

whelan1

Timmaay wrote: »

Whats everyone paying now for dairynuts? I rang around one or two places yday, local Glanbia store still looking for insane money, 325 for their best spec 18% (gain drive), then Quinns looking for 305e for P&V super red, and 285e for P&V Milk well. Anyone got any cheaper quotes for a decent spec 18%p, outside of buyer groups etc!

Could you join a buyer's group. All the crap will have been removed as they will only buy the best value

jersey101

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

280 at minute for 16% high energy 96ufl dairy nut.

A 16% 90ufl dairy nut at 270

18% so called top of the range are 295 i think

Whos that from"

Viewtodiefor

jersey101 wrote: »

Whos that from"

Brett's bros

bob charles

anyone know when Kiernan Milling are going entering the cattle feed side of the business. They will shake things up and will be willing to travel. Remember to read in the IFJ that they were hoping to become serious millers

Guys dont be afraid to ring millers far away if buy plus 10 ton at a time, you might be able to be delivered to cheap enough as part of a back load to a port etc

J DEERE

Timmaay wrote: »

Jersey ya mind saying who that was, PM me if ya don't want to post it.

Anyways, my dad priced up winternuts in the local Glanbia store, the top spec one (Gain drive, 19%P) was 340, and a slightly lower 18% spec one was 330. Insane money considering other quotes I've got. We were talking about Glainbia and their 24% interest charges, if you are so stuck for credit that they are your only source of feed, you are going to be bloody hit on the double with a high feed cost also, assuming an alternative feed is 300/ton, you basically shelling out 13% more for the feed, and then the 24%APR to finance

always found Glanbia terrible to deal with and their ration inconsistent. Worked in the local branch for a while and was amazed at the crap they sent out as feed. The local independent millers always have good quality stuff, are more facilitating and value your custom more

6480

bob charles wrote: »

anyone know when Kiernan Milling are going entering the cattle feed side of the business. They will shake things up and will be willing to travel. Remember to read in the IFJ that they were hoping to become serious millers

Guys dont be afraid to ring millers far away if buy plus 10 ton at a time, you might be able to be delivered to cheap enough as part of a back load to a port etc

kiernan milling trade under the old stewards name from boyle in roscommon for catle feed now . i buy all the dairy nuts from them and its way ahead of lakelands on price , but to get a 5c/l bonus for winter milk i have to buy from lakeland

bogman_bass

J DEERE wrote: »

Timmaay wrote: »

always found Glanbia terrible to deal with and their ration inconsistent. Worked in the local branch for a while and was amazed at the crap they sent out as feed. The local independent millers always have good quality stuff, are more facilitating and value your custom more

thats interesting, i've always found them good to deal with and they nearly always win out with the local buyers group

keep going

Just wondering how much notice do ye give the miller of an order, would ye get it the same day

6480

bogman_bass wrote: »

J DEERE wrote: »

thats interesting, i've always found them good to deal with and they nearly always win out with the local buyers group

alot of glanbia dairy men on the cavan, meath and louth borader buy their dairy rations from lakeland

KCTK

keep going wrote: »

Just wondering how much notice do ye give the miller of an order, would ye get it the same day

Usually order 5pm for delivery following day, deal with Roches

whelan1

bogman_bass wrote: »

J DEERE wrote: »

thats interesting, i've always found them good to deal with and they nearly always win out with the local buyers group

mmm not true for our group, we have dealt with them once in the last 3 years, thats with getting quotes twice a year, theres a much more competitive mill in meath with very good rations

visatorro

Who is the competitive mill in Meath??

whelan1

6480 wrote: »

bogman_bass wrote: »

alot of glanbia dairy men on the cavan, meath and louth borader buy their dairy rations from lakeland

maybe they do but i dont know many of them..... we did buy from them with group for a while feed was good but you have to shop around

whelan1

visatorro wrote: »

Who is the competitive mill in Meath??

pm sent

mahoney_j

KCTK wrote: »

Usually order 5pm for delivery following day, deal with Roches

Same as here but I try and not leave it that late!!!.feed quality and price excelkent from them and the night out at the dogs and few bottles at Xmas is a nice touch to show they value your custom

J DEERE

Anyone having/ noticing an issue with the quotes here?

Know a couple of large dairy men that refuse to deal with Glanbia here even if their prices are better than competitors. They dont like the idea of Glanbia being able to take their bit out of their milk cheques