Season 4, Episode 3 - Isolation [Spoilers]

Whatsisname

Anyone else wondering why Andrew Lincoln hunches over, puts his head down and slightly to one side with his right hand forward whenever he's trying to explain something? I've noticed it so much I can't un-notice it :pac:

Grimebox

degrassinoel wrote: »

Just thinking on the small bloody handprint, and Carol's admission. She might be covering for the screwed up kid. The kid may have killed them and been interrupted by Carol who then burned the evidence.

Which screwed up kid?

Duggy747

Anybody notice the shoddy hole in the fence that Rick clumsily and half arsedly closed up after he saved Carol when she went outside?

It looked like a fart would open it let alone 1 zombie.

Augmerson

smcgiff wrote: »

How did Rick identify Carol was the murderer from the bloody hand print on the door, or was it a guess?

Well, the handprint on the door, and also maybe that both bodies were really dragged along the ground - a male with more upper body strength may have been able to lift the torso of a body from the ground (under the arms) but most women would probably drag by the arm? And how she risked her life outside of the fences for the water pump, old Carol would have never done that. She is taking risks now.

Paddy Cow

Augmerson wrote: »

Well, the handprint on the door, and also maybe that both bodies were really dragged along the ground - a male with more upper body strength may have been able to lift the torso of a body from the ground (under the arms) but most women would probably drag by the arm? And how she risked her life outside of the fences for the water pump, old Carol would have never done that. She is taking risks now.

There is no way Carol could've dragged those bodies out the way they were discovered. Like you say, a male with good upper body strength could probably have done it but Carol is of a slight build. She could've dragged the bodies but instead of leaving a uniform trail of blood, there would've been pools of blood where she stopped to take a rest. There is no way she dragged those people from their beds out into the yard without taking rests. Either she is covering for someone or it's a plot hole from the writers.

Plus why would she need to burn them? She could've stuck a knife in their ear in their cells and claimed that she came upon them just as they were turning. Wasting precious petrol to burn bodies serves no purpose. From the amount of blood in the cells it seems clear that the two were murdered in their cells.

theblaqueguy

Duggy747 wrote: »

Anybody notice the shoddy hole in the fence that Rick clumsily and half arsedly closed up after he saved Carol when she went outside?

It looked like a fart would open it let alone 1 zombie.

Ya noticed that too if that pile of zombies could nearly break down the fence then surely a bunch of them could break whatever is holding the gap together
Whoever was feeding the zombies the rats should put a few rats by that sh1ty gap in the fence let the zombies in to fvck the groups sh1t up some more

pixelburp

Another continuity question; has ammo ever been a question for the group? While the tendency is to use silent, blunt weapons to off the Walkers, I can't recall situations where a lack of ammo has been a major issue, whenever they're needed a gun has always been there and with plenty of ammo. You'd think even now, with conservation, they'd be running out. Especially for people like Rick with his specific handgun. It's not a major issue for me, it has irked me a little though.

Timmyctc

Paddy Cow wrote: »

There is no way Carol could've dragged those bodies out the way they were discovered. Like you say, a male with good upper body strength could probably have done it but Carol is of a slight build. She could've dragged the bodies but instead of leaving a uniform trail of blood, there would've been pools of blood where she stopped to take a rest. There is no way she dragged those people from their beds out into the yard without taking rests. Either she is covering for someone or it's a plot hole from the writers.

Plus why would she need to burn them? She could've stuck a knife in their ear in their cells and claimed that she came upon them just as they were turning. Wasting precious petrol to burn bodies serves no purpose. From the amount of blood in the cells it seems clear that the two were murdered in their cells.

Think the burning is to avoid the spread of whatever they have. As for the dragging. Its not that hard to drag someone along the ground tbh.

degrassinoel

Grimebox wrote: »

Which screwed up kid?

in the previous episode, the two girls that are at the fence with carol, talking about "Nick the zombie" - the older one runs off very upset and the younger one says "She's not weak, she's just screwed up", the same one that Carol gave the knife to.

Junco Partner

pixelburp wrote: »

Another continuity question; has ammo ever been a question for the group? .

Woodbury was fairly well stocked by the looks of it. I'm sure they commandeered all of it once The Governor fled. So they should be fairly well stocked although Daryl mentioned it briefly in episode 2. So it looks like it could be an issue soon

Nervous Wreck

pixelburp wrote: »

Another continuity question; has ammo ever been a question for the group? While the tendency is to use silent, blunt weapons to off the Walkers, I can't recall situations where a lack of ammo has been a major issue, whenever they're needed a gun has always been there and with plenty of ammo. You'd think even now, with conservation, they'd be running out. Especially for people like Rick with his specific handgun. It's not a major issue for me, it has irked me a little though.

I'm sure they'd get around that by saying they took a lot from Woodbury.

Paddy Cow

Timmyctc wrote: »

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Think the burning is to avoid the spread of whatever they have. As for the dragging. Its not that hard to drag someone along the ground tbh.

The BIB I could go along with but I can't agree that it's easy to drag a dead body. The trail of blood indicated that the bodies were still alive when they were dragged and whoever did it, did so without having to take a rest. I'm all for equality but I don't think a woman would ever be able to drag a body that's weighs more than her for such a distance.

The scene was very poorely executed. From the blood in the cells it looks like the two were murdered while still alive and then dragged bleeding onto the roof where they were set on fire. Anyone who was acting with the group's best interest's at heart would've killed them and let that be the end of it. The end result was a waste of life, petrol and suspicision.

Gbear

pixelburp wrote: »

Another continuity question; has ammo ever been a question for the group? While the tendency is to use silent, blunt weapons to off the Walkers, I can't recall situations where a lack of ammo has been a major issue, whenever they're needed a gun has always been there and with plenty of ammo. You'd think even now, with conservation, they'd be running out. Especially for people like Rick with his specific handgun. It's not a major issue for me, it has irked me a little though.

There's been no hard numbers given about the amount of weapons and ammo found and there's lots of off-camera scavenging going on. When you think about the various caches they've encountered throughout (Woodbury, the black guys house from last season and all the other bits along the way) and the fact that they are in the South, it's not too hard to believe that a relatively small number of people could get by.

It's not like Rick's gun has some custom made bullets. I presume it's a magnum or something with pretty standard ammo, particularly in that part of the world.

degrassinoel wrote: »

Just thinking on the small bloody handprint, and Carol's admission. She might be covering for the screwed up kid. The kid may have killed them and been interrupted by Carol who then burned the evidence.

I was thinking that she might've been bull****ting about being sick as well.

The thing is then, if she did kill the people would Carol have just let her into the cell block with the others?

Actually there is one thing that's bothering me. Michonne kills the walkers so effortlessly that it seems like she could kill nearly limitless numbers of them.
Could she not have just killed all those around the car? It certainly looked that way.

PhiloCypher

Paddy Cow wrote: »

The BIB I could go along with but I can't agree that it's easy to drag a dead body. The trail of blood indicated that the bodies were still alive when they were dragged and whoever did it, did so without having to take a rest. I'm all for equality but I don't think a woman would ever be able to drag a body that's weighs more than her for such a distance.

The scene was very poorely executed. From the blood in the cells it looks like the two were murdered while still alive and then dragged bleeding onto the roof where they were set on fire. Anyone who was acting with the group's best interest's at heart would've killed them and let that be the end of it. The end result was a waste of life, petrol and suspicision.

You'd be spot on with your blood spatter analysis if this was an episode of Dexter or Elementary but it isn't its walking dead so I think you're looking at this too forensically. Until we are told different I'm taking Carols admission at face value as a) she is the only candidate that makes any sense from a drama/stakes point of view and b) her body language around Tyreese speaks to someone with a guilty conscience.

PhiloCypher

degrassinoel wrote: »

Just thinking on the small bloody handprint, and Carol's admission. She might be covering for the screwed up kid. The kid may have killed them and been interrupted by Carol who then burned the evidence.

We already have one kid with sociopathic tendencies in Carl and while realistically any child growing up in those circumstances is at risk of going off the deep end I don't think the writers would repeat themselves as it would make Carls journey from Milky bar kid to Michael Myers less unique. She is ****ed up in a different way to Carl imo.

MarkR

I was thinking it was the "messed up" girl who did the killing, and that Carol, as her new protector, somehow guessed, or perhaps helped her clean up afterwards.

LOSTfan57

Karen and Davids bodies weren't on a roof???? they were outside in a courtyard is all....Carol could easily haul two corpses out tbh. Ricks gun is a Colt Python not a Magnum

Gbear

LOSTfan57 wrote: »

Karen and Davids bodies weren't on a roof???? they were outside in a courtyard is all....Carol could easily haul two corpses out tbh. Ricks gun is a Colt Python not a Magnum

I think magnum is the calibre of bullet.

LOSTfan57

Gbear wrote: »

I think magnum is the calibre of bullet.

oh right haha my bad

Rovi

Rick's revolver is a 6" Colt Python, presumably still in its original factory chambering of .357 Magnum.
.357 Mag revolvers will also happily chamber and fire .38 Special ammunition, and both of these ammunition types are available in vast quantities throughout the 'gun-friendly' parts of the USA.
Ammunition for Rick's revolver is in no way exotic or scarce, so I have no issues with there being an apparently inexhaustible supply available to him.

P.Walnuts

If we are going by Resident Evil, then magnum bullets are extremely scarce :pac:

PhiloCypher

MarkR wrote: »

I was thinking it was the "messed up" girl who did the killing, and that Carol, as her new protector, somehow guessed, or perhaps helped her clean up afterwards.

The girl who couldn't bring herself to put down her dead dad down before he reanimated and who is that soft in the head she treats zombies like pets that have names, now is suddenly aware of the stakes and danger posed by this infection and takes action? Nope not buying it.

Cork boy 55

I cannot recall them running out of ammo
but there have been numerous times they have discussed that they are low on it
and supply runs for ammo have happened the trip in season 1 to get Ricks gunbag
The trip to Rick home town where they met Morgan its being a recurrent theme.

My memory's a bit hazy but
They have also discussed not using guns to save ammo
Even the governors crew did not use guns when not necessary and I think they discussed it as well the first time we saw the governors crew they killed the walkers hand to hand and used bows as well as if they where short of rounds
or just keeping rounds they had for when they needed them.

Cork boy 55

A revolver is far inferior to a pistol in the ZA due to re-loading times.
and only six shots, I would have ditched it ages ago for a 9mm pistol.
I could be totally wrong but even LEO don't carry revolvers anywhere in states anymore or at least fairly rare by 2013.

Another set of bad decisions by Rick.
The whole show is basically Rick screwing up.

Gbear

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

A revolver is far inferior to a pistol in the ZA due to re-loading times.
and only six shots, I would have ditched it ages ago for a 9mm pistol.
I could be totally wrong but even LEO don't carry revolvers anywhere in states anymore or at least fairly rare by 2013.

Another set of bad decisions by Rick.
The whole show is basically Rick screwing up.

At times he's carried other guns though.

He keeps it because it's his.

That_Guy

Am I the only one hoping that Carl gets killed off?

Witcher

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

A revolver is far inferior to a pistol in the ZA due to re-loading times.
and only six shots, I would have ditched it ages ago for a 9mm pistol.
I could be totally wrong but even LEO don't carry revolvers anywhere in states anymore or at least fairly rare by 2013.

Another set of bad decisions by Rick.
The whole show is basically Rick screwing up.

Nothing wrong with a wheelgun, loads of people still carry them for self defence in the US. Using a speedloader or a moon clip you'd have no problem reloading it.

Less to go wrong with it too, no risk of stovepipe jams or failures to eject etc.

P.Walnuts

That_Guy wrote: »

Am I the only one hoping that Carl gets killed off?

No after we have thankfully been relieved of Andrea and Dale, he is next on my wish list. Carol is making a strong case recently though.

PhiloCypher

That_Guy wrote: »

Am I the only one hoping that Carl gets killed off?

So we can have a season of Rick seeing phantom Carl and gurning like a spaz? No thanks I'll take Carl being annoying over that any day of the week.

No after we have thankfully been relieved of Andrea and Dale, he is next on my wish list. Carol is making a strong case recently though.

I don't get this , she's whiny and helpless in the first few seasons and people justifiably moan , the writers actually manage to turn the character around and turn her into a capable and fairly compelling character(so far as Walking dead characters go anyways) and still people hate her ????

P.Walnuts

PhiloCypher wrote: »

I don't get this , she's whiny and helpless in the first few seasons and people justifiably moan , the writers actually manage to turn the character around and turn her into a capable and fairly compelling character(so far as Walking dead characters go anyways) and still people hate her ????

You are aware of the concept that people can have differing opinions on the same matter right?

PhiloCypher

P.Walnuts wrote: »

You are aware of the concept that people can have differing opinions on the same matter right?

Yes , but it was my understanding that this is a discussion forum for discussing the show, Carol is part of the show, one of the better parts of it these days imo so I was curious to know why she is still hated by some .

willmunny1990

That_Guy wrote: »

Am I the only one hoping that Carl gets killed off?

I've been hoping that since I started watching.

FreudianSlippers

Grimebox wrote: »

Rick's batman voice is hilarious. When he said "Dammit" before running over to Carol outside.. Nobody talks like that

That's the standard British British person doing American accent

Paddy Cow

PhiloCypher wrote: »

You'd be spot on with your blood spatter analysis if this was an episode of Dexter or Elementary but it isn't its walking dead so I think you're looking at this too forensically. Until we are told different I'm taking Carols admission at face value as a) she is the only candidate that makes any sense from a drama/stakes point of view and b) her body language around Tyreese speaks to someone with a guilty conscience.

My blood splatter analysis is a lot more obvious than Rick looking at a vague bloody print and figuring out it was Carol

Cantona's Collars

Gbear wrote: »

Actually there is one thing that's bothering me. Michonne kills the walkers so effortlessly that it seems like she could kill nearly limitless numbers of them.
Could she not have just killed all those around the car? It certainly looked that way.

That bothered me a bit aswell,it would have took them no time at all to push the car off the pile of bodies.Even the two lads sitting in the back bouncing up & down would have been enough to dislodge it.
The bit with Rick 'securing' the fence left a lot to be desired too,he barely closed the hole in the fence after himself.

These two gripes aside it was a strong episode,the moss covered zombie shows just how long they last without feeding.I wonder if it's like a World War Z scenario where they freeze in the cold of Winter & then thaw out and back mobile in the Spring.However the group are so far South that this won't happen.

krudler

PhiloCypher wrote: »

So we can have a season of Rick seeing phantom Carl and gurning like a spaz? No thanks I'll take Carl being annoying over that any day of the week.



I don't get this , she's whiny and helpless in the first few seasons and people justifiably moan , the writers actually manage to turn the character around and turn her into a capable and fairly compelling character(so far as Walking dead characters go anyways) and still people hate her ????

I like Carol, she was a liability in the beginning but now after Rick and Daryl she's really taken charge, and telling the kid she was weak for messing up killing her father was pretty cold.

Cartman78

Enjoying the series so far....

Does anyone know how far away that horde is from the prison??

Seems to be a recurring issue with the Walking Dead imho -- there never seems to be any sense of distance portrayed or time elapsed on journeys. Maybe I missed something but how far away are Daryl & Co. now

Cork boy 55

Cartman78 wrote: »

Enjoying the series so far....

Does anyone know how far away that horde is from the prison??

Seems to be a recurring issue with the Walking Dead imho -- there never seems to be any sense of distance portrayed or time elapsed on journeys. Maybe I missed something but how far away are Daryl & Co. now

The herd is a few miles from the veterinary college which is 50 miles form prison this is mentioned in the show.

dr gonzo

Im sure this has been discussed already in this thread but did anyone else find this episode hard to watch because the very premise of it was based on the fallacy that antibiotics would impact a viral infection? It could be argued that ignorance is all part and parcel of a group that comes from many different backgrounds doing all kinds of jobs, but seriously, this is a basic concept that a vet would absolutely be aware of.

Paddy Cow

dr gonzo wrote: »

Im sure this has been discussed already in this thread but did anyone else find this episode hard to watch because the very premise of it was based on the fallacy that antibiotics would impact a viral infection? It could be argued that ignorance is all part and parcel of a group that comes from many different backgrounds doing all kinds of jobs, but seriously, this is a basic concept that a vet would absolutely be aware of.

Hershel said something along the lines of it not being the virus that kills them but the symptoms/side effects and the antibiotics would keep them alive long enough to fight the virus. Or something vaguely medical along those lines (probably as scientific as shampoo ads which claim to have "shine boosting technology" :pac:).

A Neurotic

Doc S in the last episode said it was "probably streptococcal" or something to that effect. So antibiotics are definitely in order.

Ping Chow Chi

aye the NHS seem to think antibiotics are in order as well.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Streptococcal-infections/Pages/Introduction.aspx

I guess we better check to see if Dr Gonzo really is a doctor

dr gonzo

Ping Chow Chi wrote: »

aye the NHS seem to think antibiotics are in order as well.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Streptococcal-infections/Pages/Introduction.aspx

I guess we better check to see if Dr Gonzo really is a doctor

Well I many not have one of those overblown parchments on my wall but my handwriting is damn near illegible!

Cheers lads, I missed those clues completely.