Great News for Shannon Airport

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Ryanair has announced plans for eight new routes from Shannon Airport, which will begin operating in April 2014.
The services - which will fly between Shannon and Berlin, Paris, Warsaw, Nice, Fuerteventura, Krakow, Faro and Munich – will facilitate up to 300,000 passengers over a full year.
Ryanair said the new routes are a “direct response” to the Government’s scrapping of the travel tax in Budget 2014.
The no-frills airline previously said it would grow passenger numbers at Irish airports by one million as a result of the tax being cut.
It said it was in talks with other Irish airports about the rest of its growth plans for 2014 and hoped to make further route announcements in the coming weeks.
Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar has welcomed Ryanair's announcement, describing it as the "first dividend" of the decision to end the €3 travel tax.
He also said it showed the success of the Government's decision to make Shannon Airport independent of the DAA.

Franticfrank

Absolutely fantastic news.

mooseknunkle

Just seen this tweet from an aer lingus pilot

"John Behan ‏@kigeca
I guess Shannon didn't learn it's lesson the last time it got into bed with the devil. #beginingoftheend ?"

He certainly doesn't think its good news

Franticfrank

mooseknunkle wrote: »

He certainly doesn't think its good news

He probably considers it unwelcome competition, especially when it comes to the Faro route.

IngazZagni

Franticfrank wrote: »

He probably considers it unwelcome competition, especially when it comes to the Faro route.

Absolutely and it's not like Aer Lingus did anything to help Shannon in the years after Ryanair downsized so his point isn't valid in my opinion. It's good news for Shannon, that's for sure. The Faro route is interesting though. Is there great demand there, or just to compete?

Masala

Is it great news..... 2-3 to Eastern Europe and 3 to the Sun plus a Paris.

Mainly 'outbound' traffic....

Not going to boost local tourism or local businesses in any way. Not exactly what Leo would consider 'tourists'..

gihj

Masala wrote: »

Is it great news..... 2-3 to Eastern Europe and 3 to the Sun plus a Paris.

Mainly 'outbound' traffic....

Not going to boost local tourism or local businesses in any way. Not exactly what Leo would consider 'tourists'..

Not entirely true.
You seem to underestimate the number of french and German tourists routes like these bring in when available.
There will be a boost to tourism.

Zonda999

Masala wrote: »

Is it great news..... 2-3 to Eastern Europe and 3 to the Sun plus a Paris.

Mainly 'outbound' traffic....

Not going to boost local tourism or local businesses in any way. Not exactly what Leo would consider 'tourists'..

Might I just ask, what destinations would you consider "inbound" in terms of traffic?

This is good news for Shannon. They used to have so many routes from Shannon up to about 2007 or so.

Does anyone have any idea how Shannons passenger figures for 2013 are faring?

Masala

Might I just ask, what destinations would you consider "inbound" in terms of traffic?

ok.. the Munich and Berlin at best.

crosstownk

Zonda999 wrote: »

Does anyone have any idea how Shannons passenger figures for 2013 are faring?

You might find the link useful although its commercial movements rather than passenger numbers.

https://www.iaa.ie/traffic_monthly_review

wretcheddomain

Masala wrote: »

Not going to boost local tourism or local businesses in any way.

What were you smoking when you wrote this nonsense?

Making an assertion that many new routes into western Ireland (by the way in case you've forgotten is one of the major tourist regions) will produce absolutely no discernible effect on tourism?

You have to be taking the p*ss or else you just want to make any positive news negative probably due to some inane hatred for the incumbent government.

Jamie2k9

I fail to see this as good news at all as its just a very targeted network of routes launched to hit Aer Lingus from Cork.

Shannon management have not learned their lesson as if they had the deal wouldn't of being extended to SNN-FAO already served by Aer Lingus now likely to be dropped and FR are probably paying less charges so how can they compete.

No other carriers will go near SNN now.

BZ

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I fail to see this as good news at all as its just a very targeted network of routes launched to hit Aer Lingus from Cork.

Shannon management have not learned their lesson as if they had the deal wouldn't of being extended to SNN-FAO already served by Aer Lingus now likely to be dropped and FR are probably paying less charges so how can they compete.

No other carriers will go near SNN now.

Well considering the details of the deal have not been made public you can't really judge management at this early stage.there is a new management in place compared to when the last deal was made and the new head man Mr Pakey has a solid idea of what to do and he has a good previous track record.
Out of the 8 new routes faro is the only one that they will have to compete with EI.Notice they haven't announced any UK routes or any routes EI regional are serving and I reckon this is down to the airport not wanting to drive away the current operators and repeat what happened the last time.
This will hopefully be the start of many more good things for Shannon.With the transatlantic operators extending periods of service for next year and this announcement summer 14 will be a busy one at Shannon.

Jamie2k9

BZ wrote: »

Well considering the details of the deal have not been made public you can't really judge management at this early stage.there is a new management in place compared to when the last deal was made and the new head man Mr Pakey has a solid idea of what to do and he has a good previous track record.
Out of the 8 new routes faro is the only one that they will have to compete with EI.Notice they haven't announced any UK routes or any routes EI regional are serving and I reckon this is down to the airport not wanting to drive away the current operators and repeat what happened the last time.
This will hopefully be the start of many more good things for Shannon.With the transatlantic operators extending periods of service for next year and this announcement summer 14 will be a busy one at Shannon.

It's Ryanair, so it would be a good deal and other carriers will be paying for it. They had an established service to FAO but now they want to subside another service to FAO, management should be trying to get a range of routes and not operators going for the same ones. I'm sure Barcelona would of being better than FAO. It will only be a matter of time before they move onto the UK.

Can't see Flybe sticking around for much longer so likely be able to take up GLA.

Remember airlines don't like paying for other airlines at airports.

Masala

What were you smoking when you wrote this nonsense?
Making an assertion that many new routes into western Ireland

...haha...good one!!!! New routes INTO western Ireland...from Poland, Canaries, Paris. Yes.. can see it now.... thousands of Poles and Spanish with their high propensity to spend pushing up the cost of hotels all over Clare and Limerick due to demand!! Not to mention the French....oh yeah.. they love Ryanair!!

Hello Hello..... wake up man. This is 2013......

IngazZagni

It's laughable that people can come on here and turn a news story about the addition of 8 new routes (of which only one competes directly with another airline) as bad news. Simply ridiculous.

Edit: I think people don't realise how good Ryanair are at two way traffic. Having flown from Dublin to Madrid many times. On Aer Lingus most by a good bit were Irish but on Ryanair I would say most are Spanish.

notharrypotter

From what I understand since Aer Lingus currently serve the Shannon Faro route there will not be any discounts for it.

It would depend on the day (s) that they serve the route to see if there is any actual competition.

It's Ryanair, so it would be a good deal and other carriers will be paying for it

Remember airlines don't like paying for other airlines at airports.

Again from what I understand is that offers are available to airlines at all airports when they open a route not currently being served by an incumbent.

Can't see Flybe sticking around for much longer so likely be able to take up GLA

Where a carrier discontinues a route and is then replace by another I do not know if this qualifies as a "new" route.

Also didn't FLYBE halt some routes they served for a few months where the demand did not exist?

From what I can see the actual availability of "spare" capacity in Europe to serve Ireland is limited.

From reading the Irish Times article from an earlier post it appears that Shannon management have learned from the past and intend to maximise the resources currently as oppose to expanding their cost base.

wretcheddomain

Masala wrote: »

...haha...good one!!!! New routes INTO western Ireland...from Poland, Canaries, Paris. Yes.. can see it now.... thousands of Poles and Spanish with their high propensity to spend pushing up the cost of hotels all over Clare and Limerick due to demand!! Not to mention the French....oh yeah.. they love Ryanair!!

Hello Hello..... wake up man. This is 2013......

First of all, how on Earth (in 2013 as you'd say) can you interpret Ryanair putting 8 new routes into Shannon (i.e. Western Ireland) as equal to every customer flying on these routes must be Polish or Spanish on said routes?

Second of all, do you seriously think the traffic will be 100% both ways? While nobody here will claim that it is, you seem to think others think this.

So instead of misunderstanding and condescending maybe you could actually make a constructive post instead of making yourself look silly.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I fail to see this as good news at all as its just a very targeted network of routes launched to hit Aer Lingus from Cork.

But, in fairness, the SNN strategy is to attract passengers away from the other Irish airports. They've signalled this a couple of times.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/shannon-to-target-dublin-bound-flyers-for-growth-220500.html

<...>“Ryanair is still an important customer of Shannon. We have a very good relationship with Ryanair and we are in discussion with Ryanair as well as a number of other airlines. We will be seeking to increase passenger numbers in Shannon, both inbound and outbound.

“We don’t intend to accept unsustainable growth with Ryanair. That was an issue in the past and we’re not going to go there again, we have to learn from the problems of the past. We see the passengers going up and down to Dublin and we’re certainly going to target them.”<...>

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/business-news/shannon-expects-to-win-back-alicante-traffic-from-dublin-and-cork-1-4942814

RYANAIR’S new summer service from Shannon to Alicante will entice many of the 40,000 holidaymakers flying out of Dublin and Cork back to their local airport, according to the Shannon Airport Authority.

notharrypotter

But, in fairness, the SNN strategy is to attract passengers away from the other Irish airports.

We are a small country so replace the "SNN" with Dublin/Cork/Kerry/Waterford/Galway/Knock/Sligo/Donegal/Derry/Belfast *2.

Every airport in the country has the same aim; grow its traffic.

The Irish examiner article actually states.

Shannon Airport plans to target passengers travelling from the mid-west to Dublin

I was in the NW and saw virtually identical signs for Derry and Knock highlighting the fact that they both had RYANAIR services to FARO/Stanstead/Liverpool.

We don’t intend to accept unsustainable growth with Ryanair. That was an issue in the past and we’re not going to go there again

It appears that they have learnt the bitter lesson of bringing a long spoon when you sup with the devil.

relaxed

Masala wrote: »

...haha...good one!!!! New routes INTO western Ireland...from Poland, Canaries, Paris. Yes.. can see it now.... thousands of Poles and Spanish with their high propensity to spend pushing up the cost of hotels all over Clare and Limerick due to demand!! Not to mention the French....oh yeah.. they love Ryanair!!

Hello Hello..... wake up man. This is 2013......

Hello Hello, Paris Munich, Berlin = good inbound routes.

Irish people will always want to fly to the sun, personally I would rather fly from Shannon than Dublin.

I would also prefer people from Poland and Eastern Europe could fly from Shannon than have to trek to Cork or Dublin.

I remember the 1980's we could never afford to fly to the UK, it was the boat all the way over and back a few times a year.

Did you ever slum it with Slatterys?

If you experienced that you would never knock Ryanair.

relaxed

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I fail to see this as good news at all as its just a very targeted network of routes launched to hit Aer Lingus from Cork.

Shannon management have not learned their lesson as if they had the deal wouldn't of being extended to SNN-FAO already served by Aer Lingus now likely to be dropped and FR are probably paying less charges so how can they compete.

No other carriers will go near SNN now.

If a person lived in Ennis or Galway would it be good news for them that instead of having to drive to Cork they could fly from Shannon?

What lesson have Shannon Management not learned, surely its a new management structure since the DAA left?

gihj

Masala wrote: »

...haha...good one!!!! New routes INTO western Ireland...from Poland, Canaries, Paris. Yes.. can see it now.... thousands of Poles and Spanish with their high propensity to spend pushing up the cost of hotels all over Clare and Limerick due to demand!! Not to mention the French....oh yeah.. they love Ryanair!!

Hello Hello..... wake up man. This is 2013......

As someone who works in the tourist industry i would like to point out something to you.
You have not got a clue what you are talking about my friend.

gihj

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I fail to see this as good news at all as its just a very targeted network of routes launched to hit Aer Lingus from Cork.

Shannon management have not learned their lesson as if they had the deal wouldn't of being extended to SNN-FAO already served by Aer Lingus now likely to be dropped and FR are probably paying less charges so how can they compete.

No other carriers will go near SNN now.

Could i interest you in the phrase "competition"?.
How about capitalism then ???
A shop down the road opens up with a view to taking custom from the shop next door.
What age are you?????

gctest50

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/almost-90-aer-lingus-cabin-jobs-face-axe-29698422.html

Jamie2k9

gihj wrote: »

Could i interest you in the phrase "competition"?.
How about capitalism then ???
A shop down the road opens up with a view to taking custom from the shop next door.
What age are you?????

competition is all well and good but when Ryanair are involved its more competition and SNN has already seen this as have other Irish airports. Clearly you have not looked into it further.

If a person lived in Ennis or Galway would it be good news for them that instead of having to drive to Cork they could fly from Shannon?

What lesson have Shannon Management not learned, surely its a new management structure since the DAA left?

If you lived in Galway it would be more cost affective to go to Dublin.

New management structure since the daa but making the same mistakes, airlines won't do business when Ryaniar are in town as they will be paying for them. Remember the carriers at SNN before FR grow in 2006-08 period, soon it will be an all Ryanair operation again. Who will entre the market when in most cases FR jump on the same routes and drive them out.

notharrypotter

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/almost-90-aer-lingus-cabin-jobs-face-axe-29698422.html

as well as inaugurating new services from Dublin to San Francisco and Toronto.

I think the last destination is the salient one.

If the new work practices are agreed in Shannon then the question is =>
Why cant Dublin based crews do this too.

Hence the dispute.

They had an established service to FAO but now they want to subside another service to FAO,

To portray Aer Lingus as some form of put upon damsel in distress is wrong.

They too are running a business and will use any and all tools at their disposal.

Regarding loyalty of a carrier to an Airport there is none.

Currently Aer Lingus as a fortress position in both Dublin and Cork with no loyalty shown to any route there; it is profitable or its gone.
The only exceptions that I can see are the London Heathrow landing slots.

Equally Aer Lingus has pulled routes from shannon to suit its game plan.

I would expect that the measured expansion Shannon Management have proposed should work.

ProfessorPlum

notharrypotter wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/almost-90-aer-lingus-cabin-jobs-face-axe-29698422.html

I think the last destination is the salient one.

If the new work practices are agreed in Shannon then the question is =>
Why cant Dublin based crews do this too.

The DUB - YYZ route will be on 757. There are no 757 crew based in Dublin. To put a 330 on the route would likely not be profitable, and there isn't an aircraft available in any case.

flanzer

notharrypotter wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/almost-90-aer-lingus-cabin-jobs-face-axe-29698422.html

I think the last destination is the salient one.

If the new work practices are agreed in Shannon then the question is =>
Why cant Dublin based crews do this too.

Hence the dispute.
To portray Aer Lingus as some form of put upon damsel in distress is wrong.

They too are running a business and will use any and all tools at their disposal.

Funny you should say this. I've a pal of mine, who's a Capt. on their European network and currently based/living in Dublin with his family. He's heading off shortly to train on the 757s to do the Shannon transatlantic routes.

He's has no issue travelling down there to work. In fact, he put himself forward to do the 757s as he felt he needed a change

He's currently on the lookout for a good economical diesel car for his trips up and down!!

Masala

As someone who works in the tourist industry i would like to point out
something to you. You have not got a clue what you are talking about my
friend.

I'm afraid that you have limited knowledge of the industry you are in then my friend.

Can you tell me how many Polish Tourists you get up your area? Or Spanish for that mind?? These are servicing the local market outbound. That 4 of the 8 flights. Just what the area need - 2/3/4 more flights to take the Irish out of the country /economy and spend their the money overseas. Not exactly what the Minister intended when abolishing the tax. The only flights that will be of benefit to the local economy (and I include Ireland Inc in this) will be the 2 x Germans. Possibly the Paris.

keeponhurling

Paris one sounds good, though I assume it's not to de Gaulle?

Would be handy if Shannon could connect to a major hub other than Heathrow.
Paris, Schipol or Frankfurt would be just the job

Storm 10

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

competition is all well and good but when Ryanair are involved its more competition and SNN has already seen this as have other Irish airports. Clearly you have not looked into it further.



If you lived in Galway it would be more cost affective to go to Dublin.

New management structure since the daa but making the same mistakes, airlines won't do business when Ryaniar are in town as they will be paying for them. Remember the carriers at SNN before FR grow in 2006-08 period, soon it will be an all Ryanair operation again. Who will entre the market when in most cases FR jump on the same routes and drive them out.

How the hell is it more cost effective to go to Dublin than Shannon, Dublin Airport is over two hours with traffic, Shannon is one hour from Galway, cheaper parking and I use less fuel and no long annoying queues

Gambas

Storm 10 wrote: »

How the hell is it more cost effective to go to Dublin than Shannon, Dublin Airport is over two hours with traffic, Shannon is one hour from Galway, cheaper parking and I use less fuel and no long annoying queues

I really like Shannon - easily my favourite airport here, but being able to get to Dublin on GoBus at pretty much any hour of the day versus the horrible Bus Eireann Shannon service has leveled the field somewhat. Likewise if I'm taking the car - contrary to what you said above Dublin is cheaper for parking - I just compared 5 days in SNN vs 5 days in DUB and they were approx €45 against €30. Once the N18 is done then Shannon will be more attractive again, but at the moment there isn't a whole lot between them.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

notharrypotter wrote: »

We are a small country so replace the "SNN" with Dublin/Cork/Kerry/Waterford/Galway/Knock/Sligo/Donegal/Derry/Belfast *2.

Every airport in the country has the same aim; grow its traffic.

Well, yes and no. The general economic interest in airport policy comes from the prospect of generating and facilitating business from abroad. Now, SNN has to do what it has to do to get business. But contrast the SNN's targetting of the existing business of other Irish airports with how the daa present themselves

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/13-09-05/Record_Year_For_Transatlantic_Traffic_At_Dublin_Airport.aspx

<...> Dublin Airport is also benefitting from an increase in transfer business to the United States and Canada, as passengers from Britain and continental Europe are choosing to travel to North America via Dublin. “This transfer business is very welcome, as a steady supply of transfer passengers underpins the viability of existing long-haul services and also encourages airlines to launch new services and extra frequencies from Dublin,” Mr Harrison said. <...>

This summer, Dublin Airport had 224 flights to and from North America every week, which is the equivalent of 32 flights per day. “We have better connectivity to North America than Gatwick or Manchester airports and more transatlantic flights than many large airports in continental Europe and the extra services that we welcomed this year are helping to boost our transfer passenger numbers,” Mr Harrison said. “Dublin Airport’s range of destinations and airlines provides unrivalled choice and convenience for passengers, not just in Ireland but also overseas,” he added.<...>

gihj

Masala wrote: »

I'm afraid that you have limited knowledge of the industry you are in then my friend.

Can you tell me how many Polish Tourists you get up your area? Or Spanish for that mind?? These are servicing the local market outbound. That 4 of the 8 flights. Just what the area need - 2/3/4 more flights to take the Irish out of the country /economy and spend their the money overseas. Not exactly what the Minister intended when abolishing the tax. The only flights that will be of benefit to the local economy (and I include Ireland Inc in this) will be the 2 x Germans. Possibly the Paris.

Yes, at least 3 out of the 8 routes.
So can you explain to me now how that is bad for tourism again??????
You have limited knowledge of how to get your point across.

gihj

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

If you lived in Galway it would be more cost affective to go to Dublin.

Please explain how.
That is absolute nonsense.

Masala

Yes, at least 3 out of the 8 routes.
So can you explain to me now how that is bad for tourism again??????
You have limited knowledge of how to get your point across.

That's my point all along. Are you keeping up with the thread?? 3 good route for tourism - that's what I said. Its not 8 good tourism routes - that's what the Minister wanted with the elimination of tax. The tax is being withdrawn on the basis that a certain airline stressed that they would bring in over 1m passengers into Ireland. Bringing in an extra 1m passengers into the country is worth f-all to the tourism industry if the 1m passengers are all paddies coming back off their holidays.

So to summarise.... there are 3 good routes here for Ireland Inc.

Amirani

keeponhurling wrote: »

Paris one sounds good, though I assume it's not to de Gaulle?

Would be handy if Shannon could connect to a major hub other than Heathrow.
Paris, Schipol or Frankfurt would be just the job

It'll be Beauvais. Ryanair don't fly to CDG.

gihj

Masala wrote: »

Is it great news..... 2-3 to Eastern Europe and 3 to the Sun plus a Paris.

Mainly 'outbound' traffic....

Not going to boost local tourism or local businesses in any way. Not exactly what Leo would consider 'tourists'..

Do you understand what "in any way means"?????

Even at just 3 routes or even a single extra tourist spending 1 euro in a local shop will boost a local business.

Masala

jeez.... I give up.

munchkin_utd

Masala wrote: »

ok.. the Munich and Berlin at best.

Lufthansa are running a few flights a week from Munich to Dublin and also Düsseldorf to Knock which is almost exclusively germans heading to Ireland, because theres no WAY the irish public would value traveling with Lufthansa being worth and average of 250 to 300euro return (or more) during the summer.

I was on a ryanair flight last Friday outbound from Memmingen (aka munich west) to Dublin and for an almost full plane there was barely a dozen Irish on it, if even that. The inbound plane looked to be full and I'd suspect probably full of Irish heading for a weekend in Munich, just like I was heading with the hoardes for a weekend in Ireland

The combination of having both inbound and outbound passengers is one of the reasons that the flights to/from Munich remain year round to Ireland, and at the press conference it was said that the german flights from Shannon will be year round but not the sun flights unless theres a savage demand.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

But, in fairness, the SNN strategy is to attract passengers away from the other Irish airports. They've signalled this a couple of times.

Its not just SNN policy, its stated government policy to assist SNN at the expense of other airports. Looks like it will be Cork and Kerry to suffer this time.
http://www.irelandwestairport.com/utility/news_archive_details.aspx?id=308

A series of Government statements has indicated that its aviation strategy was focussing on and supporting just one airport. In one such statement it was highlighted that a change in Government policy would be required to stop Knock catching up with Shannon. On 31st March 2012, quoted in the national media, Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar TD said: “If nothing was done for Shannon the airport stood in danger of being passed out by Knock airport in passenger numbers, despite a current gap of over 900,000 passengers… I think if the trends continue as they are it will happen because Shannon’s numbers are already down 20 per cent this year and Knock is still growing. It is only a matter of time without a change in policy.”

However i do see it as a good thing for the consumer with more choice offered and decent destinations. I don't see how 3 airports in the southwest been so close together can compete with each other for a realtively small base.

relaxed

Masala wrote: »

jeez.... I give up.

Indeed you should give up, one minute you were saying it would not boost local tourism or business in any way, then you seem to admit three routes are going to be bringing in tourists.

As regards the routes to the sun taking Irish people away, Irish people will travel to the sun regardless, and at least if more people are flying from Shannon it will boost at a minimum employment in the airport.

Also if you are a local business that requires staff to fly to any of these areas it's a lot better than them having to go to Dublin.

relaxed

relaxed wrote: »

If a person lived in Ennis or Galway would it be good news for them that instead of having to drive to Cork they could fly from Shannon?

What lesson have Shannon Management not learned, surely its a new management structure since the DAA left?

Why would they travel to Cork with flights from Knock - Faro right beside them You do realise Ryanair already fly 13 routes from Knock. This will have a small effect on Knock, but a much bigger effect on Cork and Kerry. Can't see Kerry lasting much longer to be honest.

Corks biggest problem will be that they are positioned so close to Shannon(Its a mere 60 miles from Cork city to Limerick city). If you take the length of the road from Cork city - Letterkenny(the full west of Ireland), Cork Kerry and Shannon airports are all in the first quarter with a capacity for several million people, airport overload.

irishbloke77

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why would they travel to Cork with flights from Knock - Faro right beside them You do realise Ryanair already fly 13 routes from Knock. This will have a small effect on Knock, but a much bigger effect on Cork and Kerry. Can't see Kerry lasting much longer to be honest.

Corks biggest problem will be that they are positioned so close to Shannon(Its a mere 60 miles from Cork city to Limerick city). If you take the length of the road from Cork city - Letterkenny(the full west of Ireland), Cork Kerry and Shannon airports are all in the first quarter with a capacity for several million people, airport overload.

I dont think anyone said it is to the detriment of Knock. The quote was about passenger numbers at shannon compared to knock, not at knocks expense.
However, if we are just comparing faro flights with Ryanair.... People from Galway may have opted to fly from knock than cork before this, as knock was closer. Now shannons just as close, so galway people may choose shannon, and this would be at knocks cost.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/business-news/new-ryanair-routes-to-double-shannon-business-1-5632096

I don't quite get the body language in the photo. Is it possible that the image of Santa leaving gifts isn't one that everyone found comfortable?

flazio

Might just be the timing of the photo.

notharrypotter

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Originally Posted by notharrypotter View Post
http://www.independent.ie/business/i...-29698422.html

I think the last destination is the salient one.

If the new work practices are agreed in Shannon then the question is =>
Why cant Dublin based crews do this too.



The DUB - YYZ route will be on 757. There are no 757 crew based in Dublin

There are no B757 crew based in Dublin yet.

There will be eventually.

Once they get the "new work practices" in place in Shannon it will be cut and paste to the Dublin B757 operation.

Its only a short hop from there to a reduction in the cabin crew complement on the A330's.

I don't quite get the body language in the photo. Is it possible that the image of Santa leaving gifts isn't one that everyone found comfortable?

Dammed by faint praise again.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

notharrypotter wrote: »

Its only a short hop from there to a reduction in the cabin crew complement on the A330's.

So it's all good.

ProfessorPlum

The minimum cabin crew required for A330 is 8. EI are already operating with minimum crew, so I find it hard to see how it can be reduced further. Not such a short hop.

flanzer

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

The minimum cabin crew required for A330 is 8. EI are already operating with minimum crew, so I find it hard to see how it can be reduced further. Not such a short hop.

The 330-200 has a 274 capacity. The 330-300 has a 327 capacity. The new 757s will have a 170 capacity. There's absolutely no need to have 8 cabin crew working on the 757s