The Estate on 3e

burstbuckle

Just watching the estate on 3e about a council estate in Waterford.Some single mother on bitching about only having 50 cent left in her wallet with a day to go before she gets her lone parent's. What stood out was she was puffing on a cigarette with a 20 box on the table.
What I want to know is there a bank account I could lodge some money into for her or an address I could send a care package of Fag's & blue WKD to tide her over till she gets her mickey money.

Banjo String

burstbuckle wrote: »

Just watching the estate on 3e about a council estate in Waterford.Some single mother on bitching about only having 50 cent left in her wallet with a day to go before she gets her lone parent's. What stood out was she was puffing on a cigarette with a 20 box on the table.
What I want to know is there a bank account I could lodge some money into for her or an address I could send a care package of Fag's & blue WKD to tide her over till she gets her mickey money.

WTF size was her wallet yo

wicklowstevo

Bally beg is a ****e hole I lived there briefly about en years ago and it hasn't improved .
saying that theres plently of decent hard working people who live there and go to work every day why not put them in a documentary ? coz tv3 3e is tabloid tv trash.
solution . don't watch it

urabell

Can't say I'd be terribly upset if we let the Americans carpet bomb Ballybeg in return for letting them use Shannon

up for anything

Single mothers all over Ireland praying that another whipping boy is found again soon seeing as the Roma didn't last too long.

Tom_Cruise

Waterford is not a city, i would even say its not even a large town. Its tiny.

anncoates

burstbuckle wrote: »

Just watching the estate on 3e about a council estate in Waterford.

That must have been a very rewarding evening.

dark crystal

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Waterford is not a city, i would even say its not even a large town. Its tiny.

What are you talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities,_boroughs_and_towns_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

Banjo String

urabell wrote: »

Can't say I'd be terribly upset if we let the Americans carpet bomb Ballybeg in return for letting them use Shannon

Didn't a bloke knock 35 different shades of crap out of some other dude in Swords a few weeks ago. With a baseball bat. In the middle of the day

Good and bad everywhere.

Agent Coulson

Is this a repeat of the The Estate that was shown earlier this year or a new series?

wicklowstevo

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Waterford is not a city, i would even say its not even a large town. Its tiny.

sounds like the ranting's of a Kilkenny person bub.

loubeelou

burstbuckle wrote: »

Just watching the estate on 3e about a council estate in Waterford.Some single mother on bitching about only having 50 cent left in her wallet with a day to go before she gets her lone parent's. What stood out was she was puffing on a cigarette with a 20 box on the table.
What I want to know is there a bank account I could lodge some money into for her or an address I could send a care package of Fag's & blue WKD to tide her over till she gets her mickey money.

Single mothers.... The cheek of them!!!
What's more...they have the audacity to smoke???
The bleedin b@stards!!!

urabell

loubeelou wrote: »

Single mothers.... The cheek of them!!!
What's more...they have the audacity to smoke???
The bleedin b@stards!!!

The point is when funds are low a responsible member of society will cut down on non essentials like smoking, I personally have no problem with her status as a single mother but her status as a sponger is a different story.

Mint Aero

More of this on tv please

loubeelou

urabell wrote: »

The point is when funds are low a responsible member of society will cut down on non essentials like smoking, I personally have no problem with her status as a single mother but her status as a sponger is a different story.

Is she a sponger cause she gets social welfare ??(as hundreds of thousands of others in this country do)

burstbuckle

urabell wrote: »

The point is when funds are low a responsible member of society will cut down on non essentials like smoking, I personally have no problem with her status as a single mother but her status as a sponger is a different story.

Yeah I'm not trying to bash single mothers,they do a great job most of them.
As you say if I'm struggling to keep the lights on (she owed the ESB 800 quid) I'd be prioritizing where my few bob went. A ten euro pack of smokes wouldn't be very high up the list.

pharmaton

urabell wrote: »

The point is when funds are low a responsible member of society will cut down on non essentials like smoking, I personally have no problem with her status as a single mother but her status as a sponger is a different story.

afaik in the series she is a working single parent.
Its ok though, as long as people can use their dole to buy weed there is hope that civilisation can be restored.

urabell

loubeelou wrote: »

Is she a sponger cause she gets social welfare ??(as hundreds of thousands of others in this country do)

No it's because she doesn't use it to better herself

Person A (responsible member of society) Gets social welfare, after being fed, clothed and housed they save some money for a rainy day or to better themselves with

Person B (sponger) buys drink, cigarettes and then complains when they don't have money for the essesntials

deco nate

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Is this a repeat of the The Estate that was shown earlier this year or a new series?

Repeat, it is e 3 after all:)

.Henry Sellers.

Can of Worms, ACTIVATE!

hfallada

Its great to see TV3 is still continuing with its ground breaking documentaries. I think we were all getting tired of their unbiased traveller documentaries. But its fantastic they are investigating important issues such as people struggling to get by on welfare. I think I see an oscar for them in the future.

burstbuckle

loubeelou wrote: »

Is she a sponger cause she gets social welfare ??(as hundreds of thousands of others in this country do)

No but the fact of whinging about having to do without certain day to day items like electricity while she can puff away on a 20 box of jonney blue loses my sympathy

BillyMitchel

burstbuckle wrote: »

Just watching the estate on 3e about a council estate in Waterford.Some single mother on bitching about only having 50 cent left in her wallet with a day to go before she gets her lone parent's. What stood out was she was puffing on a cigarette with a 20 box on the table.
What I want to know is there a bank account I could lodge some money into for her or an address I could send a care package of Fag's & blue WKD to tide her over till she gets her mickey money.

Would ye give her one?

burstbuckle

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Would ye give her one?

Not even with yours mate,

loubeelou

urabell wrote: »

No it's because she doesn't use it to better herself

Person A (responsible member of society) Gets social welfare, after being fed, clothed and housed they save some money for a rainy day or to better themselves with

Person B (sponger) buys drink, cigarettes and them complains when they don't have money for the essesntials

What about person c
A mixture of a and b. responsible etc. but like normal people, feels the need to have the odd beer or cigarette.
And like everyone else in this country, whinges about it at some stage.
I just think single mother tend to be scapegoated for all social welfare grievances.

Mint Aero

They should make a weekly programme just following a few single mothers on the scratcher around the place. Preferably overweight ones

urabell

loubeelou wrote: »

What about person c
A mixture of a and b. responsible etc. but like normal people, feels the need to have the odd beer or cigarette.
And like everyone else in this country, whinges about it at some stage.
I just think single m

Some weeks I don't have the money to go out for a beer, or even have one at home even though I'd like to, there's people with enough money never to be in that situation. I don't begrudge them and understand that you can't always have everything you want, even more so when you become a parent and are responsible for the life and well being of another. As for moaning, I think that it's way too socially acceptable this day and age, an adherence to stiff upper lip would make the world a happier place.

pharmaton

urabell wrote: »

Some weeks I don't have the money to go out for a beer, or even have one at home even though I'd like to, there's people with enough money never to be in that situation. I don't begrudge them and understand that you can't always have everything you want, even more so when you become a parent and are responsible for the life and well being of another. As for moaning, I think that it's way too socially acceptable this day and age, an adherence to stiff upper lip would make the world a happier place.

if she was a single father would you feel the same way? You do realise she works too? Not sitting around on the scratcher?
She may not be the epitome of perfect parenting but you might also aware that there are other individuals portrayed in the series that have spent most of their lives inside having lived a life of crime (and fathering several children non of whose lives they happen to be involved in) and yet you find the lifestyle of the single mother smoking to be a much better target for your condemnation. ?

urabell

pharmaton wrote: »

if she was a single father would you feel the same way? You do realise she works too? Not sitting around on the scratcher?
She may not be the epitome of perfect parenting but you might also aware that there are other individuals portrayed in the series that have spent most of their lives inside having lived a life of crime (and fathering several children non of whose lives he is involved in) and yet you find the lifestyle of the single mother smoking to be a much better target for your condemnation. ?

Her status as a single mother and her gender are of no concern to me, if she was a man I'd feel the same. The only reason being a mother comes into it is because it imposes extra responsibilities both fiscally and socially. I also don't care if her money comes from the state or whatever job she has, if she's pissing it away on cancerous tar sticks instead of paying for electricity for herself and a young child it's not wrong to call her out on it.

When the rest of the people in the show are being discussed i'll discuss them, don't worry there's plenty of scorn for everyone

pharmaton

urabell wrote: »

Her status as a single mother and her gender are of no concern to me, if she was a man I'd feel the same. The only reason being a mother comes into it is because it imposes extra responsibilities both fiscally and socially. I also don't care if her money comes from the state or whatever job she has, if she's pissing it away on cancerous tar sticks instead of paying for electricity for herself and a young child it's not wrong to call her out on it.

When the rest of the people in the show are being discussed i'll discuss them, don't worry there's plenty of scorn for everyone

I sincerely doubt that (sure she's hardly worth the poke, she's ugly too amirite) but even so, basically you just have an issue with the fact that she smokes. OK.

BillyMitchel

Single mothers do get singled out in Ireland but the sad part about it is that it all just focuses on single mothers from working class areas and that is pretty disgusting to be fair.

urabell

pharmaton wrote: »

so basically you just have an issue with the fact that she smokes. OK.

I have an issue that she picks a non essential (an expensive and harmful one) over providing electricity to a house where she lives with a young daughter.

Hierarchy of needs
Food , shelter, running water

Few things in the middle

Literally thousands of other things

Cigarettes

pharmaton

urabell wrote: »

I have an issue that she picks a non essential (an expensive and harmful one) over providing electricity to a house where she lives with a young daughter.

Hierarchy of needs
Food , shelter, running water

Few things in the middle

Literally thousands of other things

Cigarettes

maybe you should write her a letter and educate her on how to be a better person.

S28382

That programme did not show any good that is in Ballybeg it showed a single section of a big housing estate where the majority of its people are good hard working people and not scroungers on the dole. Its pure dirt from TV3 trying to get rating by showing the estate off as a rough run down place. Yes there is parts of it that are not the best but they are very small parts the rest are well kept with good people keeping it that way.

Im from that housing estate iv seen the good bad and ugly i know some of the people featured in it and what TV3 showed was most definitely not the good they seemed to purposely pick those involved so the estate would be shown in a certain negative way.

For 28yrs i lived there and i loved every minute of it im no scrounger nor am i any like any of those in that show and neither is the majority of the people of Ballybeg.

urabell

pharmaton wrote: »

maybe you should write her a letter and educate her on how to be a better person.

Maybe you should learn to address someone's points instead of getting snarky when you don't have a leg to stand on.

Is there any fiscal behaviour she could be responsible for that you would find worthy of criticism. What if in place of the electricity her and her innocent daughter had to forego food? or clothing? Does her status as a poor old single mother allow her to act in any way she wants? What if it was cans of cider she was buying?

BillyMitchel

urabell wrote: »

Maybe you should learn to address someone's points instead of getting snarky when you don't have a leg to stand on.

Is there any fiscal behaviour she could be responsible for that you would find worthy of criticism. What if in place of the electricity her and her innocent daughter had to forego food? or clothing? Does her status as a poor old single mother allow her to act in any way she wants? What if it was cans of cider she was buying?

Haven't read the whole thread or seen the show so calm down!

How do you know her fridge wasn't packed with food and her bills paid and with her last 9 quid she bought herself a packet of smokes?

pharmaton

urabell wrote: »

Maybe you should learn to address someone's points instead of getting snarky when you don't have a leg to stand on.

Is there any fiscal behaviour she could be responsible for that you would find worthy of criticism. What if in place of the electricity her and her innocent daughter have to forego it was food? or clothing? Does her status as a poor old single mother allow her to act in any way she wants? What if it was cans of cider she was buying?

You're getting very angsty about a 19 year old single mother on a tv show that was made for this very purpose. You've bought into a stereotype and despite the fact that you know she works, seem insistant on what she should be allowed to spend her money on. I doubt her parenting skills are very well developed, being 19 and raising a child alone is a difficult task for anyone (sure no doubt a man would do it better) while working at the same time. She also (if you've been watching) is suffering from (and being treated for) depression. Throughout the show you can see her own mother doing her best to guide her and advise her and help her get her life in order.
You don't see these things, you see a scumbag single mother living a welfare existence and one which you feel compelled to condemn. You know why? because it's easy. Brave man.

urabell

pharmaton wrote: »

You're getting very angsty about a 19 year old single mother on a tv show that was made for this very purpose. You've bought into a stereotype and despite the fact that you know she works, seem insistant on what she should be allowed to spend her money on. I doubt her parenting skills are very well developed, being 19 and raising a child alone is a difficult task for anyone (sure no doubt a man would do it better) while working at the same time. She also (if you've been watching) is suffering from (and being treated for) depression. Throughout the show you can see her own mother doing her best to guide her and advise her and help her get her life in order.
You don't see these things, you see a scumbag single mother living a welfare existence.

I've addressed the bit in bold already if you go back and read what I wrote, just in case it goes over your head again though, here's some cliff notes.

Don't care where her money comes from she still needs to spend it somewhat responsibly, ie clothing,shelter,food,electricty

Don't care if she's female, same rules apply to single fathers

Depression is unfortunate but doesn't absolve her of her parental responsibilities and doesn't mean she gets to place cigarettes at a higher level of importance than electricty.

Don't tell me what you think I see

Not responding to you again until you address any point I've made

urabell

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Haven't read the whole thread or seen the show so calm down!

How do you know her fridge wasn't packed with food and her bills paid and with her last 9 quid she bought herself a packet of smokes?

She was complaining she couldn't pay the electricity bill and owed something like 800 towards it but still felt it was ok to buy cigarettes despite the risk of her power being cut which would have plunged her and her young daughter into darkness (well other then the embers of the fag)

loubeelou

urabell wrote: »

I've addressed the bit in bold already if you go back and read what I wrote, just in case it goes over your head again though, here's some cliff notes.

Don't care where her money comes from she still needs to spend it somewhat responsibly, ie clothing,shelter,food,electricty

Don't care if she's female, same rules apply to single fathers

Depression is unfortunate but doesn't absolve her of her parental responsibilities and doesn't mean she gets to place cigarettes at a higher level of importance than electricty.

Don't tell me what you think I see

Not responding to you again until you address any point I've made

You are aware that it's not only single parents that place things at a higher level of importance than electricity?
My bills are nearly always in arrears(but then again, i am a single working parent who also happens to smoke!!)

pharmaton

loubeelou wrote: »

You are aware that it's not only single parents that place things at a higher level of importance than electricity?
My bills are nearly always in arrears(but then again, i am a single working parent who also happens to smoke!!)

You smelly bad single parent person. I bet you feed your children fishfingers and baked beans too.

urabell

loubeelou wrote: »

You are aware that it's not only single parents that place things at a higher level of importance than electricity?
My bills are nearly always in arrears(but then again, i am a single working parent who also happens to smoke!!)

If it came down to it would you allow your children to be plunged into darkness or feel any discomfort for that matter, just to keep up your smoking habit?

Again her status as a single mother doesn't matter to me she just happens to be the one that's being discussed.

urabell

To break it down

If person x (could be a single mother/father, a traditional family, a same sex couple, a transgendered roma gypsy illegal immigrant, literally any permutation of human) chooses nonessetial good X (cigarettes, luxury clothes, alcohol, heroin,gym membership, tesco finest yogurts) over essential item Y (food clothing, electricty, shelter, water) then they need to be questioned

loubeelou

urabell wrote: »

If it came down to it would you allow your children to be plunged into darkness or feel any discomfort for that matter, just to keep up your smoking habit?

Again her status as a single mother doesn't matter to me she just happens to be the one that's being discussed.

Bit dramatic for a night with no leccie? I remember plenty of power outs as a child and would never described them as "plunged into darkness"
And no, my daughter and I have never had to endure such a terrible fate.

But the point I'm making is that (for me) single parenting is not easy. I'm constantly doing the job of two people, paying the bills that two people would normally split, and can see no way out of this existence.
I don't go out partying and I'm pretty frugal with everything.
I rent a sh1tty place(with no sw assistance) cause I can't afford any better, and can see no prospect of ever buying a place of our own cause my money all goes on rent.
And at the end of every day, its just me and a stroppy teenager, so I feel I deserve to have the odd beer or smoke and whinge about how sh1t my life is the odd time.
Not accusing you of it, but I just get tired of the single mother bashing all the fcuking time.

urabell

loubeelou wrote: »

Bit dramatic for a night with no leccie? I remember plenty of power outs as a child and would never described them as "plunged into darkness"
And no, my daughter and I have never had to endure such a terrible fate.

But the point I'm making is that (for me) single parenting is not easy. I'm constantly doing the job of two people, paying the bills that two people would normally split, and can see no way out of this existence.
I don't go out partying and I'm pretty frugal with everything.
I rent a sh1tty place(with no sw assistance) cause I can't afford any better, and can see no prospect of ever buying a place of our own cause my money all goes on rent.
And at the end of every day, its just me and a stroppy teenager, so I feel I deserve to have the odd beer or smoke and whinge about how sh1t my life is the odd time.
Not accusing you of it, but I just get tired of the single mother bashing all the fcuking time.

No I understand what you're saying, I don't mean to bash single mothers, it must be a very hard way to live life. I hope things get better for you.

The odd beer or smoke is very different to feeling entitled to a constant supply and foregoing electricity to do so. Power cuts are a novelty for children when they happen on their own, the 'fun will soon wear off if it's a consistent issue because the parent chooses to forego the bills for cigarettes, as it was in the show, which is the only thing being discussed, not parents in general