Edge Readers Top 20 Best Games Of Our Time

richymcdermott

http://mynintendonews.com/2013/10/23/heres-edge-readers-twenty-best-games-of-our-lifetime/


20 – World of Warcraft
19 – Marjoa’s Mask
18 – Vice City
17 – Chrono Trigger
16 – Portal
15 – Red Dead Redemption
14 – Bioshock
13 – Ico
12 – The Last of Us
11- Dark Souls
10 – Super Mario Galaxy
9 – Metal Gear Solid
8 – Shadow of the Colossus
7 – Goldeneye
6 – Halo
5 – RE4
4 – Final Fantasy VII
3 – Half Life 2
2 – Super Mario 64
1 – Ocarina of Time

Not a surprising list except I would of expected Metal Gear Solid to be higher up on the list. Also Surprised to see majoras mask make it into the top 20 from what i heard its an obscure game in the zelda franchise

krudler

Woulda put Mario Galaxy 2 over the first one myself, it took everything and expanded on it, pretty predictable but hard to disagree with list.

gouche

There's only two games on the list I haven't played: Dark Souls and the Last of Us.
As Krudler said, it's hard to disagree with the list - all great games.

Majora's Mask is certainly darker than most other Zelda games - personally though I think it's one of the best for it.
It doesn't follow the usual Zelda mechanic and is all the better for it.

Don't think I would have put FFVII so high. It will always have a special place in my heart but there are so many other JRPG's that are so much better - even in the FF series itself.

Agricola

Seeing at its such early days people will probably shoot me down but I think GTAV would possibly deserve a look in here, maybe even at the expense of Vice City. I think in years to come people will look back at V as the greatest GTA so far. Unless they top it with 6.

Penn

RDR over Vice City? I find it hard to agree with that. I have no problem with RDR being on the list as it is a truly amazing game, but Vice City was a damn near perfect game.

I also prefer Metal Gear Solid 3 over MGS1, but it'd be pretty close between them anyway so no real issue there.

Retr0gamer

FFVII ahead of stuff like Persona 4, Grandia, SMT3 etc.? Feck off. Plenty of western RPGs like Planescape and Fallout 2 would be well ahead of it.

They still have a hard on for Halo. I enjoyed Halo Reach a whole lot more.

Ocarina of Time number 1? Wonderful game but it's a bit creaky, I'm not sure about that.

Where's Symphony of the Night?

Magill

Always hard to argue against most of the games in a list like that, but there's so many other games that could easily slot in there and no one would bat an eye.

Only one's that looks suspect to me are Halo (At least not in the top 10 !) and possibly Red Dead.

penev10

I could think of a 100 games better than RDR. Shouldn't be anywhere near a top 20.

Magill

Actually... thinking about games not on it... sh!t list.

TerrorFirmer

I always find it strange how people seem to always take such offence at times to lists like these. Not talking about anyone here specifically, just in general. Everything's subjective, there's no such thing as a list that everyone is going to agree is bullet proof.

For example, I love Halo, have played it online probably more than all other games combined, yet I must be one of the few people who think Half life 2 is so grossly overrrated. I thought it was good, but that's about all, and couldn't care if Half Life 3 never came out. But at the time time I don't dispute it's place on lists at all because quite clearly there's a reason it's there, I just don't personally get it.

krudler

Context is key when it comes to lists like this, like Halo, it's a pretty bog standard fps game , but it was the first of it's kind on console and revolutionised multiplayer outside of the PC environment. It's hard to imagine consoles with no online multiplayer these days so in that sense it's an important title.

Gulliver

I'll be shot for this but I found Shadow of the Colossus vastly overrated. I felt ICO was a far superior game.

I'd put Portal higher than RDR too.

johnny_ultimate

Retr0gamer wrote: »

FFVII ahead of stuff like Persona 4, Grandia, SMT3 etc.? Feck off. Plenty of western RPGs like Planescape and Fallout 2 would be well ahead of it.

They still have a hard on for Halo. I enjoyed Halo Reach a whole lot more.

Ocarina of Time number 1? Wonderful game but it's a bit creaky, I'm not sure about that.

Where's Symphony of the Night?

It's a reader's poll. They are inevitably the most populist lists possible. Niche or cult games do not have a ****ing chance, just like the countless wonderful but lesser known films from cinema history do not stand a chance against Star Wars and The Shawshank Redemption when Empire invites its readers to vote.

At least when critics and 'experts' vote there is some expectation they have a deeper knowledge of the medium. But this will never be anything other than a gauge of popular opinion, and popular opinion is always going to be a narrow, predictable perspective. Critiquing the list is even more futile in situations like this. Impressive a few left-of-field titles like Majora's Mask made the list at all, and at least there's no major abominations clogging it up.

richymcdermott

Personally I wouldnt have RDR,Portal,WOW,Bioshock or vice city on the list

As much as I loved Bioshock being in the top 20 does not seem right imo.

Also I am surprised for a readers list there is no minecraft. Would of thrown my house in as a safe bet for it to be included


Also very happy call of duty didnt get a mention :L

Magill

krudler wrote: »

Context is key when it comes to lists like this, like Halo, it's a pretty bog standard fps game , but it was the first of it's kind on console and revolutionised multiplayer outside of the PC environment. It's hard to imagine consoles with no online multiplayer these days so in that sense it's an important title.

Thats my problem with halo tho, its rated higher than games that are better only because it was on console. Being important for console development doesn't make it a good game. No halo game has had a single player campaign worthy of being on a top 50 best game ever list and the multiplayer was **** compared to games released on PC up to five years previous.

I understand the whole "It was an amazing game when it was released" argument for other games, but frankly, it doesn't apply for halo, at least for anyone that had been playing on PC at the time.

TerrorFirmer

Magill wrote: »

Thats my problem with halo tho, its rated higher than games that are better only because it was on console. Being important for console development doesn't make it a good game. No halo game has had a single player campaign worthy of being on a top 50 best game ever list and the multiplayer was **** compared to games released on PC up to five years previous.

I understand the whole "It was an amazing game when it was released" argument for other games, but frankly, it doesn't apply for halo, at least for anyone that had been playing on PC at the time.

I've said this countless times before but I hate when people speak on behalf of PC owners as if its one collective hive mind. I've been playing first person shooters on the PC since Wolfenstein, but have owned consoles as well, PC was and still is my primary platform though.

I've put more hours into Halo multiplayer than I have COD, the battlefield series, Company of Heroes - combined.

At the time Halo original was released, I was playing the likes of Quake III, Unreal Tournament, RTCW online pretty much nightly, so I was certainly no stranger to what the PC offered.

And I still thought Halo was absolutely incredible, the split screen in particular had us up till 6am huddled around a 14" more weekends than I care to admit. PC LAN games shrivelled up for quite a while as it was pretty much the only thing we played. That same process happened with Halo 2, particularly 3, and again with Reach, not so much with Halo 4 however.

I get it, not everyone likes Halo. That's fine. I don't like Grand Theft Auto, I despise Zelda, think Final Fantasy is rubbish. But they're just my opinions. I fully recognise that they're great games, even if I don't see them in the way that others dont.

But this constant notion of speaking for other people by dismissing Halo as popular only because console owners somehow 'didn't know any better, bless them' is irritating, and unfounded. Halo was brilliant for a variety of reasons, and it was the first game that actually made me buy a console for a single title alone.

I'll always remember trying to explain to my dad in 2002 why I wanted an Xbox and Halo for my birthday when my parents had just spent about a thousand pounds on a gaming PC a few months previous.

Magill

Sorry, i shouldn't have spoke for all PC gamers. I still stand by what i said in that it was miles behind shooters on the PC at the time, especially in multiplayer. I remember playing it with friends on splitscreen too and while it was fun, compared to playing CS or team fortress classic, especially on lan... it wasn't even in the same league. I would even say that's closer to being a fact than just an opinion as they were superior in almost every way.

BMMachine

no Super Metroid or Metroid Prime

Big Knox

There are always going to be flaky, however I'm just glad to see Dark Souls make it on there even if it is just a popularity list!

ShaneU

No oblivion, skyrim or kotor

Chazz Michael Michaels

The Last of Us is shyte...

Chazz Michael Michaels

penev10 wrote: »

I could think of a 100 games better than RDR. Shouldn't be anywhere near a top 20.

You belong a minority group, on that one. It was a masterpiece.

Also the original XCOM should be there. There seems to be a slant towards very recent games. Shame.

Edit: Just realised the list is meant for modern games, I think.

Magill

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

The Last of Us is shyte...

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

You belong a minority group, on that one. It was a masterpiece.

Chazz Michael Michaels

Magill wrote: »

I know, but I didn't like it. I liken it to being a hamster in a very linear maze. Boring.

I'm hard to please though. I don't like GTA V.

2Mad2BeMad

delighted to see dark souls on that list
probably one of my favourite games of all time

I would take out rdr,
vice city deserves to be their, perfect gta game ever made

Metal gear solid deserves to be their I think if its the first one

I know its a popular vote of those games, and they are missing some real golden gems I think should be their
but alas its all down to popular opinion that wins at the end
halo does not deserve to be their at least not in the top 10 anyway, was a great game and i loved the series but my god I could pick so many other games to over take it

Dermighty

that list is bollocks

calex71

These lists are always total waste of time, and an even bigger waste of time arguing over lets face it, a top 20 is a personal thing.

I've played most of those games and while I agree they are great I'd only have 4 of them in my top 20, If I listed my top 20 or others listed there there would be the same reaction to them as the Edge one with a little extra scorn for my list perhaps :P

K.O.Kiki

krudler wrote: »

Context is key when it comes to lists like this, like Halo, it's a pretty bog standard fps game , but it was the first of it's kind on console and revolutionised multiplayer outside of the PC environment. It's hard to imagine consoles with no online multiplayer these days so in that sense it's an important title.

Halo 1 didn't have online multiplayer.

Also it had a stupid OP pistol.

Washington Irving

ShaneU wrote: »

No oblivion, skyrim or kotor

Morrowind would be there far ahead of Oblivion or Skyrim I would think.

RDR definitely should not be ahead of VC and personally, I don't think VC should be ahead of SA, but maybe that's just me.

There's a few games omitted from the list that I'd have there instead but overall it's not the worst one out there. Although these lists are quite personal and largely not worth arguing over.

BMMachine

no Bulletstorm!?

Big Knox

BMMachine wrote: »

no Bulletstorm!?

I'm surprised Portal 2 doesn't feature on these lists. As amazing as Portal was, I always felt the sequel improved on it increasingly.

nesf

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

For example, I love Halo, have played it online probably more than all other games combined, yet I must be one of the few people who think Half life 2 is so grossly overrrated. I thought it was good, but that's about all, and couldn't care if Half Life 3 never came out.

Hand back your discrete graphics card licence son. It'll be Intel HD4000 for you from now on.

wandatowell

No Fallout?

COYVB

edge readers be wrong

the groutch

zero Sega games, does not compute

Ri_Nollaig

no deus ex? ....fúck off

Retr0gamer

Didn't realise it was a readers list. I can safely ignore it as rubbish now.

krudler

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Didn't realise it was a readers list. I can safely ignore it as rubbish now.

All the games are good on it though, only one I haven't played is WoW, never got into it and am glad, all that grinding, bleh.

Reader's lists are never going to have really obscure games on them, but out of those 20 games is there a bad game on it? not really, Halo is probably the one I'd be least arsed playing again.

Retr0gamer

Well I'd say Goldeneye isn't very good.

There might not be a bad game with that exception on the list but there's plenty of far better and more deserving games left off it. It's a pretty vapid piece. I learned nothing from it except got told a few games that I already know are good. Therefore I can safely ignore it as the rubbish it is.

Agricola

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Well I'd say Goldeneye isn't very good.

There might not be a bad game with that exception on the list but there's plenty of far better and more deserving games left off it. It's a pretty vapid piece. I learned nothing from it except got told a few games that I already know are good. Therefore I can safely ignore it as the rubbish it is.

What exactly did you expect to learn here?
Your handle is Retrogamer, you have an encyclopedic knowledge of video games and your particular thing is old and obscure titles! Its unlikely you're going to see an amazing game listed here that you dont already know about tbf!

Did you expect a list of popular games as voted by magazine readers to omit the likes of Resi 4, Bioschock and Vice City in favour of games only the hardcore have heard of?

Retr0gamer

I thought it was Edge staff picks. When I was informed it was a populist vote then it explained everything. It's a fluff piece.

krudler

Jesus it's just a list of games people voted as being good, yeah it's all the usual suspects but so what? there's never going to be some obscure import Japanese RPG on a list like that, and all the games on there are either hugely influential or just damn good games in their own right.

I don't like claiming things are "best" anyway, "favourite" is more apt, there's plenty of games I'd put on my list that would have better equivalents but so what, I likes what I likes.

Retr0gamer

krudler wrote: »

usual suspects but so what?

Pretty much. I found out it's a populist therefore it's the same as any other populist list, i.e. not a barometer of quality. We've seen it all before so what's the point in it which is why I don't give a **** about it. Hardly worth getting worked up over.

Mr Freeze

No Thief, yet another crap list.

Greyfox

Retr0gamer wrote: »

same as any other populist list, i.e. not a barometer of quality.

Don’t know how anybody can say that when at least 15 of the 20 are masterpieces, even if any one person didn’t like certain games on the list every game on it except maybe mmask all have a very valid reason for been their. Personally it’s as good of a top 5 as your ever going to get and if theirs ever a top 20 that omits any of the top 5 on this list then it’s a very poor list.

krudler

Greyfox wrote: »

Don’t know how anybody can say that when at least 15 of the 20 are masterpieces, even if any one person didn’t like certain games on the list every game on it except maybe mmask all have a very valid reason for been their. Personally it’s as good of a top 5 as your ever going to get and if theirs ever a top 20 that omits any of the top 5 on this list then it’s a very poor list.

That tbh, it irks me when outstanding games are "too popular". They're popular for a reason, because they're good. If the same list didn't have Ocarina of Time on it people would be complaining as well.

humanji

Greyfox wrote: »

Don’t know how anybody can say that when at least 15 of the 20 are masterpieces, even if any one person didn’t like certain games on the list every game on it except maybe mmask all have a very valid reason for been their. Personally it’s as good of a top 5 as your ever going to get and if theirs ever a top 20 that omits any of the top 5 on this list then it’s a very poor list.

But it's all so incredibly subjective though. I wouldn't rate any of those games as masterpieces, for example. There's some very good games and some fairly crap games too. Even of the top five, in my opinion only the top 2 belong there. That's why, each year when these lists come out, I simply look at them as a list of popular games in no particular order. Sometimes there'll be something you haven't played that might peak your interest or another that you haven't played in ages and want to start up again.

Retr0gamer

People aren't understanding what I'm saying. I'm not saying they aren't games. I'm saying it's a purely vapid list.

All it says is 'here's what the unwashed masses like'.

Now if it was 'here's what the writers and editors decided should be on the list and (most importantly) here's the reason why' then I'd be interested even if it was 20 fifa games.

Populists lists are a load of rubbish anyway. A few months ago if I went by the IMDB top 250 then Dark Knight was the best film ever and apparently better than Tokyo Story and Casablanca. Jog on IMDB users.

snausages

Retr0gamer wrote: »

FFVII ahead of stuff like Persona 4, Grandia, SMT3 etc.? Feck off. Plenty of western RPGs like Planescape and Fallout 2 would be well ahead of it.

They still have a hard on for Halo. I enjoyed Halo Reach a whole lot more.

Ocarina of Time number 1? Wonderful game but it's a bit creaky, I'm not sure about that.

Where's Symphony of the Night?

I'd put VII ahead of both of those games tbh, but Nocturne does come close. Can't speak for Grandia.

krudler

Yeah but equally if you see any critic or "expert" list of movies which are the best ever its the usual snorefest selection of Citizen Kane, 8 1/2 , Vertigo etc. (three brilliant movies btw)
Critics lists can be equally as uninspired as stuff picked by Joe Soap, and usually have a few of the same films that make it onto populist lists like Godfather 2, Psycho etc. critics just love to tell people they're watching, playing, reading and listening to the wrong things, "oh you mean you like that good movie everyone else likes instead of a four hour silent Russian film about an autistic blind violin playing child with the surreal imagery? pffft you pleb."