Leap Card - Summary of Products Available and Functionality

LXFlyer

Given the changing situation with LEAP Cards, I thought it worthwhile to try to put together a list of the LEAP Card Products and ticketing types available. I will try to keep this updated as new products are added.

Mods – perhaps this could be added as a sticky?
Feel free to point out when new tickets/functionality is added below and I'll edit this as new products are added.

LEAP CARD – Cards Available:

• Adult unpersonalised
• Adult personalised
• Child leap card (Under 12)
• Child leap card (12-15) - Personalised
• Student travelcard - Personalised

LEAP CARD – Summary of Ticket Products Available:

PAY-AS-YOU GO E-PURSE:

· Dublin Bus (All services) – Tag on only - May require to interact with driver

· Irish Rail (Short Hop Zone only) – Daily and weekly (Monday-Sunday) capping applies – Tag on and off

· Bus Eireann (limited to Greater Dublin Area –excepting 100X and 101) – Tag on only via driver

· LUAS (All services) – Daily and weekly (Monday-Sunday) capping applies – Tag on and off

· Matthews Coaches (Bettystown-Laytown-Dublin service) – Tag on only via driver

· Wexford Bus (All services) – Tag on only via driver

· Swords Express (All services) – Tag on only via driver



PERIOD PASSES:

Dublin Bus:
Rambler 5 Day Adult - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Rambler 30 Day Adult - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Rambler 5 Day Student – requires Student LEAP Card - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Rambler 30 Day Student – requires Student LEAP Card - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Rambler 1 Day Family - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Annual Bus Only Travelwide Ticket (requires personalised LEAP card) - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side


Bus Eireann:

Daily (24 hours) Greater Dublin Area zonal unlimited travel tickets - Tag on only via driver

Weekly (7 day) Greater Dublin Area zonal unlimited travel tickets - Tag on only via driver



Wexford Bus:

Weekly 10 Journey Ticket Adult - Tag on only via driver

Weekly 10 Journey Ticket Student - Tag on only via driver



Swords Express:

10 Journey Ticket - Tag on only via driver

Stevek101

Fair play. A nice run down of what's on offer! I think the Leap's site is getting particularly messy regarding what products are on off.

AlekSmart

Stevek101 wrote: »

Fair play. A nice run down of what's on offer! I think the Leap's site is getting particularly messy regarding what products are on off.

Well done lxf,and +1 to Stevek101's observation on the Leapcard Web presence......the NTA need to reassess their entire approach to the world of the Internet.

Seaswimmer

not sure if I should clog up this thread with questions but 2 of my college kids have personalised student leap cards..

They use the 30 day paper student Rambler ticket at present and only use the Leap for single trips/Dart ect.

If they now tag on a Dublin Bus with Leap it deducts 2.45 so am I correct in saying that on the return trip it will only deduct 60c to bring up to daily cap when the 30 day Rambler is loaded..

Leapcard site is down at the moment so cant check any FAq's..

LXFlyer

There is no capping in place on Dublin Bus or any multi-mode capping - if they have a paper student rambler ticket then they should not be using the LEAP card at all on Dublin Bus other than as ID.

If when they subsequently then load a student rambler ticket onto the leapcard then they will not be charged anything when they validate it on the bus.

Seaswimmer

So why offer a student 30 day rambler on Leap then?? Does it deduct €3.05 straight away and then nothing else..

Confused..

LXFlyer

Seaswimmer wrote: »

So why offer a student 30 day rambler on Leap then?? Does it deduct €3.05 straight away and then nothing else..

Confused..

LEAP is a project that is being rolled out on a phased basis, and the latest phase is the ability to load selected period passes onto it.

The Student 30 day rambler paper tickets are to be withdrawn, but there will be stocks out there which will have to be used up first and which will still be valid.

So, if someone has an existing paper ticket they should continue to use it until it is finished and not use LEAP on the bus. If they do use the LEAP card they will be charged €2.45 each time.

When the paper ticket is used up, they should then purchase a new 30 day ticket on their LEAP card which should then be used on the buses, and no deductions will apply to their epurse.

Seaswimmer

lxflyer wrote: »

LEAP is a project that is being rolled out on a phased basis, and the latest phase is the ability to load selected period passes onto it.

The Student 30 day rambler paper tickets are to be withdrawn, but there will be stocks out there which will have to be used up first and which will still be valid.

So, if someone has an existing paper ticket they should continue to use it until it is finished and not use LEAP on the bus. If they do use the LEAP card they will be charged €2.45 each time.

When the paper ticket is used up, they should then purchase a new 30 day ticket on their LEAP card which should then be used on the buses, and no deductions will apply to their epurse.

Sorry. I still dont understand how this will work.

for example,

I put the 30 day student rambler on his personalised Leap card next week at a cost of €91.50 for 30 non consecutive days ( I presume cost is the same)

He gets the 46a to UCD and gets the 46a home

Does he tag on for a cost of 2.45 on the way to UCD and then tag on the way home again (2.45??) or how does this work to get the same benefits as the paper student rambler..

At present his paper student Rambler card covers this double trip for the cost of 3.05 (91.50 divided by 30) + as many other trips as he wants that day..

cgcsb

Just a quick question say I've a rambler ticket on my leap which I can use by tagging on the right hand side. But let's say for example I'm only taking one trip on a particular day. Can I still use the e purse function to buy a one way journey even though I have a 5 day rambler on my leap?

Stevek101

If you have a product on your Leap use the right hand validator and it will deduct a day from your ticket. However, if you wish to use your ePurse you approach the driver and request the fare desired. This will be the case now even if it is a flat/full fare (where you would of used the right hand validator in the past).

TheBandicoot

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Does he tag on for a cost of 2.45 on the way to UCD and then tag on the way home again (2.45??) or how does this work to get the same benefits as the paper student rambler..

No, as I understand it when he tags on first it will simply deduct a non consecutive day from the Rambler product on the card. The Rambler does not simply add 91euro to the Leap card's balance, which is what I think you imagine.

LXFlyer

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Sorry. I still dont understand how this will work.

for example,

I put the 30 day student rambler on his personalised Leap card next week at a cost of €91.50 for 30 non consecutive days ( I presume cost is the same)

He gets the 46a to UCD and gets the 46a home

Does he tag on for a cost of 2.45 on the way to UCD and then tag on the way home again (2.45??) or how does this work to get the same benefits as the paper student rambler..

At present his paper student Rambler card covers this double trip for the cost of 3.05 (91.50 divided by 30) + as many other trips as he wants that day..

OK - let me put this as clearly as I can.

The epurse and the rambler ticket are two completely separate products on the card.

If your son loads a 30 day rambler ticket onto the leapcard, he will have loaded that product on the card - and not the cash value into the epurse. If he then uses the validator on the righthand side, then one day from the 30 days will be used. It has absolutely no effect on the balance on the epurse.

If, however, he only wishes to make one bus journey that day, then he should put his card on the driver's machine and ask for the appropriate fare to be deducted from his epurse (provided he has sufficient cash to allow for that in the epurse).

The card is smart enough to know the difference between the epurse and the rambler ticket product.

goingnowhere

The confusion here is 1 and 7 days tickets will be automatic through capping.

So if your daily travel exceeds the cap level you pay nothing more, that will apply also to multi operator journeys IE+DB, IE+Luas, Luas+IE and IE+DB+Luas

Other products will need to be loaded onto the ticket directly

otterj

Whats the difference between personalised and unpersonilised

Dravokivich

otterj wrote: »

Whats the difference between personalised and unpersonilised

Personalised has your picture on it.

Stevek101

Dublin Bus capping launching on the 4th of November.

goingnowhere

Card must be personalised for monthly/annual tickets as well as for all student products

Van.Bosch

lxflyer wrote: »

OK - let me put this as clearly as I can.

The epurse and the rambler ticket are two completely separate products on the card.

If your son loads a 30 day rambler ticket onto the leapcard, he will have loaded that product on the card - and not the cash value into the epurse. If he then uses the validator on the righthand side, then one day from the 30 days will be used. It has absolutely no effect on the balance on the epurse.

If, however, he only wishes to make one bus journey that day, then he should put his card on the driver's machine and ask for the appropriate fare to be deducted from his epurse (provided he has sufficient cash to allow for that in the epurse).

The card is smart enough to know the difference between the epurse and the rambler ticket product.

What if you load a 30 day ramber and an 10 journey (T90) ticket onto it? How will the reader know which to use or in this case would you have to use the driver machine? Unlikely people would use these tickets types together but just curious how it would work?

LXFlyer

Well you can't at the moment as the T90 ticket isn't available on it.

I cannot imagine anyone having both products - what would be the sense in that?

I don't think it could be THAT smart!!

Seaswimmer

lxflyer wrote: »

Well you can't at the moment as the T90 ticket isn't available on it.

I cannot imagine anyone having both products - what would be the sense in that?

I don't think it could be THAT smart!!

Me again and thanks for the concise expalnation for my earlier query;)

What about if you want to take 2 buses somewhere within the 90 minutes but that is your only trip that day. How should one handle that.

I realise its unlikely but not unheard of..

goingnowhere

T90 will no longer exist, next feature will be basically a T90 style product across IE/DB/Luas which is automatically applied if its the cheapest option allowing for the caps for the mode(s) in use

LXFlyer

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Me again and thanks for the concise expalnation for my earlier query;)

What about if you want to take 2 buses somewhere within the 90 minutes but that is your only trip that day. How should one handle that.

I realise its unlikely but not unheard of..

Let's just deal with what you can do right now without getting into what ifs.

Right now your options are:
1) Use a journey off a Travel 90 10 Journey ticket
2) Pay the driver using cash or your epurse for each trip
3) Use up one day's travel on your rambler ticket

AlekSmart

lxflyer wrote: »

Well you can't at the moment as the T90 ticket isn't available on it.

I cannot imagine anyone having both products - what would be the sense in that?

I don't think it could be THAT smart!!

The system will have a heirarchy by which it reads the presented Leapcard.

Starting with an Annual,Monthly,a 5,a 30 Day or Family Rambler,10 Journey product and finally the Travel Purse.

This will be entirely automatic in everyday use,with Driver interaction only being required in the event of a Leapcard Customer seeking a Companion fare from the Purse.

However,on the rare occasions where a particularly well equipped Leaper wishes to be tightly focused,for example a person with a Ten Journey,a Rambler and Travel Credit on their card,they can request the Driver to manually validate whatever product they wish to utilize.Once this is done the Leapcard will automatically default to the selected product for the remainder of the day,unless subsequently altered.

The system is smart enough,for example,to recognize a first Bus Journey commencing after 2000 hrs being an unusual use of one day of a Rambler,so it will default to the purse fare of €2.45 instead,unless there's not enough credit in which case it WILL take the Rambler Day.

Dravokivich

goingnowhere wrote: »

Card must be personalised for monthly/annual tickets as well as for all student products

For taxsaver they produce new personalised cards. They currently don't allow a prepurchased personalised card one already owns to be used to load the product.

Lifelike

Stevek101 wrote: »

Dublin Bus capping launching on the 4th of November.

Will the new 1 day and 7 day caps include all Dublin Bus services (i.e. Xpresso, Airlink and Nitelink) or just the regular Dublin Bus routes? If so, I'd consider switching over from ramblers.

foggy_lad

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Sorry. I still dont understand how this will work.

for example,

I put the 30 day student rambler on his personalised Leap card next week at a cost of €91.50 for 30 non consecutive days ( I presume cost is the same)

He gets the 46a to UCD and gets the 46a home

Does he tag on for a cost of 2.45 on the way to UCD and then tag on the way home again (2.45??) or how does this work to get the same benefits as the paper student rambler..

At present his paper student Rambler card covers this double trip for the cost of 3.05 (91.50 divided by 30) + as many other trips as he wants that day..

lxflyer wrote: »

OK - let me put this as clearly as I can.

The epurse and the rambler ticket are two completely separate products on the card.

If your son loads a 30 day rambler ticket onto the leapcard, he will have loaded that product on the card - and not the cash value into the epurse. If he then uses the validator on the righthand side, then one day from the 30 days will be used. It has absolutely no effect on the balance on the epurse.

If, however, he only wishes to make one bus journey that day, then he should put his card on the driver's machine and ask for the appropriate fare to be deducted from his epurse (provided he has sufficient cash to allow for that in the epurse).

The card is smart enough to know the difference between the epurse and the rambler ticket product.

I would have thought that each day that the cost rises above €3.05 which is the daily rate for the rambler ticket then a day will be deducted from the rambler ticket, but if only one journey is made or the combined cost is less than €3.05 then the cost will come out of the e-purse on the card, also if there is not enough credit on the card for these single journeys then a day will be deducted from the card

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Me again and thanks for the concise expalnation for my earlier query;)

What about if you want to take 2 buses somewhere within the 90 minutes but that is your only trip that day. How should one handle that.

I realise its unlikely but not unheard of..

When available on the leap card the T90 rate would most likely be used as the default cheapest option if you get two or more buses within 90minutes and if you get another bus later then you get refunded the T90 cost to your e-purse and a day is deducted from your rambler ticket.

Dravokivich

foggy_lad wrote: »

I would have thought that each day that the cost rises above €3.05 which is the daily rate for the rambler ticket then a day will be deducted from the rambler ticket, but if only one journey is made or the combined cost is less than €3.05 then the cost will come out of the e-purse on the card, also if there is not enough credit on the card for these single journeys then a day will be deducted from the card

Wouldn't be like that at all. it can't retroactively go back and return credit and deduct product. That'll need a similar setup to how online topup is distributed. It'll already be doing enough to calculate daily/weekly usage per operator when it comes to capping being implemented.

Although I get the idea of what you're saying, it does seem a bit of a sham if the cap is going to be twice the price of 1 unit of a rambler ticket. Why not just make the caps the equivilant of that? Save all that messing about planning, testing, distributing and reconciling products that are practically obsolete.

Delta2113

Can I have a 5 day adult rambler loaded and still have some credit to use on luas or dart?

Dravokivich

Delta2113 wrote: »

Can I have a 5 day adult rambler loaded and still have some credit to use on luas or dart?

Yes.

But when using dublin bus, if you do not wish to use the rambler ticket, you will need to go to the driver to use your credit

otterj

Wasnt aware of the personalized leap card, think I'll buy one. how do I go about getting my €5 deposit back on the leap card I have now? and is it possible to transfer the funds I have on my current leap card to the new leap card?

LXFlyer

otterj wrote: »

Wasnt aware of the personalized leap card, think I'll buy one. how do I go about getting my €5 deposit back on the leap card I have now? and is it possible to transfer the funds I have on my current leap card to the new leap card?

From www.leapcard.ie

I have an adult or child Leap Card that is not
personalised and I want a replacement or a refund. What do I do?

You can apply for a replacement or a refund by logging in to your online account. Click

here to log in.

If you do not have an online account you should register the card that you
want refunded or replaced. Then log in to your online account to make your
request.

Please note, refunds can only be transferred to Irish bank accounts. If you
are living outside the Republic of Ireland and do not have an Irish bank
account, click here to download a paper refund
form.

otterj

Dont see where I can apply for a replacement on the leap card site!!

LXFlyer

Order a new personalised card.

When you get it, cancel the old one as per above.

oppenheimer1

I noticed a €15 daily cap on dublin bus on my leap card last week when I was in Dublin for a few days.

Greenmachine

I miss the t90 back when it costed €19.00 for a 10 pack versus a 5 day ticket for €25.
Are there any increases planned for the student 5 day ticket and student 30 day ticket.
How can I see how many journeys I have left on a ticket when the student ticket goes paperless.

LXFlyer

Greenmachine wrote: »

I miss the t90 back when it costed €19.00 for a 10 pack versus a 5 day ticket for €25.
Are there any increases planned for the student 5 day ticket and student 30 day ticket.
How can I see how many journeys I have left on a ticket when the student ticket goes paperless.

Student 5 day rambler - €20
Student 30 day rambler - €100

You can check it via the driver's ticket machine, or the display should still tell you on the ticket validator as you validate it.

Greenmachine

lxflyer wrote: »

Student 5 day rambler - €20
Student 30 day rambler - €100

You can check it via the driver's ticket machine, or the display should still tell you on the ticket validator as you validate it.

That would mean queuing on the left. Defeats the purpose of buying a prepaid ticket. Can the balance be checked online. So in just over a year the cost will have gone from €86 to €100. A 16% increase.

LXFlyer

Greenmachine wrote: »

That would mean queuing on the left. Defeats the purpose of buying a prepaid ticket. Can the balance be checked online. So in just over a year the cost will have gone from €86 to €100. A 16% increase.

That's no change from the current set-up with the paper ticket.

It may well be possible to check it online once it goes live.

cgcsb

I've asked in a few shops now, but the shopkeepers don't seem to be offering the load a prepaid ticket onto your leap card function. Either the function is not available or they do not know how to use it, so I'm still using paper tickets.

Will the function be eventually available through all leap card agents?

Dravokivich

cgcsb wrote: »

I've asked in a few shops now, but the shopkeepers don't seem to be offering the load a prepaid ticket onto your leap card function. Either the function is not available or they do not know how to use it, so I'm still using paper tickets.

Will the function be eventually available through all leap card agents?

It should be now. They may be prioritising selling tickets that are in stock.

lucernarian

Lifelike wrote: »

Will the new 1 day and 7 day caps include all Dublin Bus services (i.e. Xpresso, Airlink and Nitelink) or just the regular Dublin Bus routes? If so, I'd consider switching over from ramblers.

I think it will include Xpresso only out of the three. I'm waiting to see some confirmation of that.

Greenmachine

lxflyer wrote: »

That's no change from the current set-up with the paper ticket.

It may well be possible to check it online once it goes live.

Incorrect people with prepaid ticket que on the right to speed up the journey times. It is in the by-laws that prepaid ticket get priority over those paying in cash.

LXFlyer

Greenmachine wrote: »

Incorrect people with prepaid ticket que on the right to speed up the journey times. It is in the by-laws that prepaid ticket get priority over those paying in cash.

Re-read my original post.

If you specifically want to check the number of days left without using the card - just put it on the driver's machine and ask.

Otherwise use the validator on the right and it should flash up on the screen, exactly as it does currently with the paper ticket.

That is exactly the same as it is right now with a paper ticket.

Oh and btw there is nothing in the by-laws about prepaid ticket holders having priority over anyone. It's just in the "how to use the bus".

Greenmachine

lxflyer wrote: »

Re-read my original post.

If you specifically want to check the number of days left without using the card - just put it on the driver's machine and ask.

Otherwise use the validator on the right and it should flash up on the screen, exactly as it does currently with the paper ticket.

That is exactly the same as it is right now with a paper ticket.

Oh and btw there is nothing in the by-laws about prepaid ticket holders having priority over anyone. It's just in the "how to use the bus".

Yeah we were talking about two different things. I was thinking of the leap card not using a display for some reason. I have no experience using them so was not able to compare. Perfectly happy with my paper tickets.

greenman09

Peeps I have to get one of these as I'll be getting Bus and Luas. From firhouse to town then possible Luas to dundrum. Never used these cards ever. What's the best wat to load a card and prices of journeys. I'm reading here about caps. What will my max spend per day if I get bus to town then Luas or bus in and out of town. Have yet to check leap site but will when I get home. Thanks

LXFlyer

greenman09 wrote: »

Peeps I have to get one of these as I'll be getting Bus and Luas. From firhouse to town then possible Luas to dundrum. Never used these cards ever. What's the best wat to load a card and prices of journeys. I'm reading here about caps. What will my max spend per day if I get bus to town then Luas or bus in and out of town. Have yet to check leap site but will when I get home. Thanks

There are no multi-operator caps in place yet.

Victor

You can top up at many Payzone outlets or Luas or train stations. You can top-up on-line, but the credit needs to be loaded to the card at one of those locations anyway, so that doesn't suit most people.

Dublin Bus have a variety of Rambler tickets, which can be loaded to the Leap Card or bought separately.

greenman09 wrote: »

Peeps I have to get one of these as I'll be getting Bus and Luas. From firhouse to town then possible Luas to dundrum. Never used these cards ever. What's the best wat to load a card and prices of journeys. I'm reading here about caps. What will my max spend per day if I get bus to town then Luas or bus in and out of town. Have yet to check leap site but will when I get home. Thanks

You can get route 75 direct from Firhouse to Dundrum. Use RTPI to check if you can change to 17 at Rathfarnham.

greenman09

Victor wrote: »

You can top up at many Payzone outlets or Luas or train stations. You can top-up on-line, but the credit needs to be loaded to the card at one of those locations anyway, so that doesn't suit most people.

Dublin Bus have a variety of Rambler tickets, which can be loaded to the Leap Card or bought separately.
You can get route 75 direct from Firhouse to Dundrum. Use RTPI to check if you can change to 17 at Rathfarnham.

Cheers I wasn't clear enough. I'll be working in town but in the evening going to dundrum or back to firhouse. I've checked the leap site and it seems pretty informative. The loading at a payzone seems a bit of a hassle. Is it advisable to get a personalised card other than the normal one.

Van.Bosch

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

I think it will include Xpresso only out of the three. I'm waiting to see some confirmation of that.

As per leap card.ie, only €2.50 for xpresso or nightlink fares will count towards the cap.

Seems overly complicated to me but better than being excluded.

lucernarian

Van.Bosch wrote: »

As per leap card.ie, only €2.50 for xpresso or nightlink fares will count towards the cap.

Seems overly complicated to me but better than being excluded.

So half of the leap card fare for the Nitelink will count towards the daily cap. Thanks.

Victor

greenman09 wrote: »

Is it advisable to get a personalised card other than the normal one.

To start off, a normal one is fine. If getting monthly / annual / student and certain other tickets it will need to be personalised.

You can register normal cards, so that it is cancelled / returned if you lose it.