2 dead in school shooting in Nevada

Stheno

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/teacher-and-student-attacker-die-in-us-school-shooting-1.1568557

A teacher has been killed along with the shooter in a school shooting in Nevada.

Two others have been injured.

They start school seriously early @ 7:30

TeddyTedson

And these storys will continue to happen until they get some decent gun control laws in place. How many more shootings will they wait for before doing something :mad:

Mint Aero

May the lord god almighty mind them
Such an awful sad thing

Kristopherus

Well, May the teacher be rewarded and RIP. And may the shooter burn in hell:mad::mad::mad:

Paddy Fields

TeddyTedson wrote: »

And these storys will continue to happen until they get some decent gun control laws in place. How many more shootings will they wait for before doing something :mad:

As long as the Charlton Heston "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" brigade rule, it will go on and on and on.

MadsL

TeddyTedson wrote: »

And these storys will continue to happen until they get some decent gun control laws in place. How many more shootings will they wait for before doing something :mad:

Oh, is it legal to bring a gun to school and shoot people? My bad, I thought the US did have laws against shooting people.

Paddy Fields

MadsL wrote: »

Oh, is it legal to bring a gun to school and shoot people? My bad, I thought the US did have laws against shooting people.

Yes quite true... And they really work quite well.

Witcher

So a middle school student pulled out a gun, which he obviously didn't own..and shot people.

How exactly would gun control have prevented this? He probably took one of his parent's firearms, same thing could happen anywhere.

MadsL

Paddy Fields wrote: »

Yes quite true... And they really work quite well.

If only we had someone to blame for random acts of violence...

Paddy Fields

Blay wrote: »

So a middle school student pulled out a gun, which he obviously didn't own..and shot people.

How exactly would gun control have prevented this? He probably took one of his parent's firearms, same thing could happen anywhere.

Yes quite true. Many a day I took my old man's .357 with me to the sisters of eternal misery on Mourne Road. I kept it in my school bag most days though.

Witcher

Paddy Fields wrote: »

Yes quite true. Many a day I took my old man's .357 with me to the sisters of eternal misery on Mourne Road. I kept it in my school bag most days though.

You nicely avoided the question there, I applaud you.

Stheno

Blay wrote: »

How exactly would gun control have prevented this? He probably took one of his parent's firearms, same thing could happen anywhere.

Secure gun safes in the home with restricted access?

Witcher

Stheno wrote: »

Secure gun safes in the home with restricted access?

So what's to stop someone stealing the keys?

That's exactly what Adam Lanza did; killed his mother and stole her firearms.

MadsL

Stheno wrote: »

Secure gun safes in the home with restricted access?

Who is going to inspect the gun safes of 150 million+ houses?

Paddy Fields

Blay wrote: »

You nicely avoided the question there, I applaud you.

Oops... Missed the question mark. How about you can't buy a gun in the first place.

abff

Blay wrote: »

So a middle school student pulled out a gun, which he obviously didn't own..and shot people.

How exactly would gun control have prevented this? He probably took one of his parent's firearms, same thing could happen anywhere.

If firearms weren't so prevalent, it would be a lot more difficult for someone to get hold of one and use it to kill other people.

Gun control that reduces the availability of firearms would therefore reduce the number of incidents, although I accept that it's not possible to completely eliminate the possibility of such things happening, particularly in a society where there are already so many guns in circulation.

But just because you can't completely eradicate a problem, it doesn't mean that there's no point in trying to mitigate it.

Witcher

Paddy Fields wrote: »

Oops... Missed the question mark. How about you can't buy a gun in the first place.

Yeah that's the answer. Boom...problem solved. You sound like Dermot Ahern, you won't get that reference but I'm sure some of the lads from the shooting forum will.

Paddy Fields

Blay wrote: »

Yeah that's the answer. Boom...problem solved. You sound like Dermot Ahern.

Great answer... Thanks.

MadsL

Paddy Fields wrote: »

Oops... Missed the question mark. How about you can't buy a gun in the first place.

Great idea. Except there are 300 million that have already been bought.

Balaclava1991

TeddyTedson wrote: »

And these storys will continue to happen until they get some decent gun control laws in place. How many more shootings will they wait for before doing something :mad:

Because everyone knows that criminals obey gun laws?:rolleyes:

The only effect gun laws have is to make it harder for law abiding citizens to protect themselves from crazies, criminals and a potentially tyrannical government.

Ask yourself:

1. Why do nuts attack schools and colleges where NOBODY is allowed carry a gun while there are NO mass shootings at NRA meetings?

2. Why is it that the most crime ridden areas of the U.S. are the areas which have restrictive gun laws while the areas with the lowest levels of crime are areas where the citizen has unrestricted access to firearms?

MadsL

abff wrote: »

If firearms weren't so prevalent, it would be a lot more difficult for someone to get hold of one and use it to kill other people.

Gun control that reduces the availability of firearms would therefore reduce the number of incidents, although I accept that it's not possible to completely eliminate the possibility of such things happening, particularly in a society where there are already so many guns in circulation.

But just because you can't completely eradicate a problem, it doesn't mean that there's no point in trying to mitigate it.

Let's hear your gun control plan that manages to navigate the 2nd Amendment, plus each State's constitution, the will of the US people and deals with what to do with 300m+ guns in circulation.

No rush.

hfallada

2 Americans die and there is a fresh thread about it on boards on how terrible it is( it's ridculous that thousands of innocent children have died in schools. A place that they should feel safe).

Yet 100,000 have died in Syria so far and millions have flees the country. Millions are in tents all over the country and in Lebanon and turkey. But yet the west couldn't careless.

Still In 2013 not all human life is valued equally

Filibuster

hfallada wrote: »

2 Americans die and there is a fresh thread about it on boards on how terrible it is( it's ridculous that thousands of innocent children have died in schools. A place that they should feel safe).

Yet 100,000 have died in Syria so far and millions have flees the country. Millions are in tents all over the country and in Lebanon and turkey. But yet the west couldn't careless.

Still In 2013 not all human life is valued equally

And Love/Hate has caused a cat killing epidemic..

P_1

First time wading into the gun control debate so apologies for any misplaced assumptions in advance...

I take it there's no licencing system for owning guns in the states? Perhaps it might be time to do so. As part of this licencing system you have to show that you have somewhere secure to store the guns (a registration number from the safe perhaps?). Maybe add an excise type tax on the sale of guns and bullets with the money being spent on a massive education program that basically says 'just don't go around shooting people, it isn't exactly sporting good chap'.

Second Amendment lovers are placated, the anti-gun lobby is also placated and Uncle Sam gets his cut. Everyone wins right?

abff

MadsL wrote: »

Let's hear your gun control plan that manages to navigate the 2nd Amendment, plus each State's constitution, the will of the US people and deals with what to do with 300m+ guns in circulation.

No rush.

Do I need to have a comprehensive gun control plan in order to be entitled to express an opinion on the subject?

SeaDaily

hfallada wrote: »

2 Americans die and there is a fresh thread about it on boards on how terrible it is( it's ridculous that thousands of innocent children have died in schools. A place that they should feel safe).

Yet 100,000 have died in Syria so far and millions have flees the country. Millions are in tents all over the country and in Lebanon and turkey. But yet the west couldn't careless.

Still In 2013 not all human life is valued equally

Make a thread about it then.

Witcher

P_1 wrote: »

First time wading into the gun control debate so apologies for any misplaced assumptions in advance...

I take it there's no licencing system for owning guns in the states? Perhaps it might be time to do so. As part of this licencing system you have to show that you have somewhere secure to store the guns (a registration number from the safe perhaps?). Maybe add an excise type tax on the sale of guns and bullets with the money being spent on a massive education program that basically says 'just don't go around shooting people, it isn't exactly sporting good chap'.

Second Amendment lovers are placated, the anti-gun lobby is also placated and Uncle Sam gets his cut. Everyone wins right?

There would be 300 million firearms out there under the radar, which the US government has no control over..absolutely 0. So any gun control has to restrict new sales in some way while simultaneously grandfathering 300m firearms which can be sold privately...that's unworkable.

I'm sure people like James Holmes and Adam Lanza would really have been turned around by your educational program.

theblaqueguy

It's a terrible tragedy rip to the victims

What if they installed metal detectors in every school so children or people couldn't smuggle guns into the school and shoot innocent people

The only problem is who would pay or fund them to be installed

TeddyTedson

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Because everyone knows that criminals obey gun laws?:rolleyes:

The only effect gun laws have is to make it harder for law abiding citizens to protect themselves from crazies, criminals and a potentially tyrannical government.

MadsL wrote: »

Oh, is it legal to bring a gun to school and shoot people? My bad, I thought the US did have laws against shooting people.

Of course it's not legal to shoot someone and I would have thought you knew that!
I'm not getting into a debate about their social problems but in a country where there are countless school shootings. A responsible government would be making it as strict as possible for your average Joe to keep a gun.

SeaDaily

Blay wrote: »

I'm sure people like James Holmes and Adam Lanza would really have been turned around by your educational program.

What are you on about?

Witcher

theblaqueguy wrote: »

It's a terrible tragedy rip to the victims

What if they installed metal detectors in every school so children or people couldn't smuggle guns into the school and shoot innocent people

The only problem is who would pay or fund them to be installed

What stops the shooter killing the guy working the metal detector and continuing on?