Serial Killers in Ireland?

Bigfellalixnaw

Does anybody here think that there might be a chance that at least one serial killer operating in Ireland? In my opinion there has to be one in the Dublin/Wicklow Mountains area.

Mint Aero

I reckon one has recently been caught

creep

I'm a cereal killer, I bury Corn flakes in the Dublin mountains

sadie06

Mint Aero wrote: »

I reckon one has recently been caught

That thought crossed my mind also.

Tombi!

Whatever mod/cmod/admin stickied this is clearly a serial killer.
They're gonna use this thread to see if anyone is onto them yet.

Fukuyama

Don't serial killers normally leave a kind of trail or have a trophy pattern?

Unless there's something AGS aren't releasing to the public about the recent murders of several women, then I don't think so.

Spooky if there is, however.

Fukuyama

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Whatever mod/cmod/admin stickied this is clearly a serial killer.
They're gonna use this thread to see if anyone is onto them yet.

Ohh. Looks like the stickiness wore off.

Seems suspicious. Better start being REAL nice to the AH Mods... >_>

Temptamperu

Theres no way they found all those bodies, i went six feet deep on all of them.

IvaBigWun

With all the missing people in Ireland over the years and our lax ferry ports Id say at least one major Irish/English/European serial killer has operated here and my guess is at least one has worked as a taxi driver, the perfect job for sick fookers to capture people.

Why is this stickied btw?

Seachmall

Dean0088 wrote: »

Don't serial killers normally leave a kind of trail or have a trophy pattern?

Not necessarily.

If Larry Murphy was a serial killer/rapist he left nothing to connect himself to the disappearances of his other his victims.

ted1

IvaBigWun wrote: »

With all the missing people in Ireland over the years and our lax ferry ports Id say at least one major Irish/English/European serial killer has operated here and my guess is at least one has worked as a taxi driver, the perfect job for sick fookers to capture people.

Why is this stickied btw?

Talking to a few guards I know and they reckon there's one recently been arrested. Would have been 19/20 when. Good few women went missing in Wicklow and possibly even related to Cork missing people

Specialun

The way linda martin murders songs she should be down as 1

timthumbni

I would describe the shankill butchers as serial killers. Pity they weren't in Texas and then they could have fried. (And I'm a NI unionist) I would have happily pushed the button.

dd972

those two English blokes Shaw and Evans were totally nuts and would have gone on to kill more if they weren't apprehended so quickly, think one of them died recently, the other's banged up so long over here he probably sounds like Ronnie Drew now !

old_aussie

kellogs is a cereal killer.

Amid fears of a growing obesity epidemic in Ireland, with an estimated 23% of people now classed as obese,

http://www.euromonitor.com/breakfast-cereals-in-ireland/report

policarp

Drug barons are the biggest serial killers.

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This thread brought me to this video.

clairefontaine

Th landscape and the environment would provide plenty of opportunity for it. Pockets of wilderness, lakes,mountains, lots of places to hide bodies.

More chance of actual serial sheep shaggers IMO.

Matt_Trakker

You would certainly think that someone is responsible for this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland%27s_Vanishing_Triangle

humanji

Folks, it really shouldn't need to be said that you cannot name living people you think could be serial killers. I've had to delete a few posts here and I don't want to have to start infracting or banning people.

dm09

Do you want to see my cotton panties?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE7KxJDTUpA

Wattle

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

I doubt it tbh, they surely would've been able to stick something to him by now. Plus plenty of women went missing while he was in jail...just not in circumstances like the above women.
Anyway, some of them could probably be put down to unexpected suicide.
But I do feel that there could be a link between some of them.

Maybe the killer has gone quiet coz he got away with it. Like Jack the Ripper.

I think people are linking this Foxrock chap to things because of disappearances in Cork too, where he's from. I don't know though, maybe the posters who said that would like to offer more info?

What's that about then? I've never heard of it.

Matt_Trakker

Wattle wrote: »

What's that about then? I've never heard of it.

Just go to any of the 'missing persons' websites and search the 'cork' tag and you'll find a few.

There's even a Facebook group for Cork alone:
Photos page....missing people photoed near the bottom
https://www.facebook.com/missing.persons.search.and.recovery/photos_stream

danniemcq

Purely looking at the numbers there could be as many as 100 serial killers in Ireland at the present time.

Thats probably(!) high as the only numbers i can get my hand on are for America but like I said thats about max if we had the same number ratio as Washington State.

However when averaged over the entire US you are left with a number closer to .47 serial killers per 100,000 people and when thats checked against Ireland (6.8 million people) that gives you around 30.

This again is probably high due to a number of things.

In a smaller population its much harder to remain hidden.
In a smaller population its easier to notice a trend whereas somewhere like America with a lot more "other" crimes over a much larger area its harder.
In somewhere like America there would be a lot more people who are for lack of a better word disposable (homeless, junkies, runaways etc) compared to other countries.

When you look at the numbers there is also a huge difference in terms of per state numbers. For example like I mentioned Washington with 1.47 per 100,000 is really damn high but somewhere like Nevada, S. Dakota, Vermont and West Virginia have 0.

Wattle

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Just go to any of the 'missing persons' websites and search the 'cork' tag and you'll find a few.

There's even a Facebook group for Cork alone:
Photos page....missing people photoed near the bottom
https://www.facebook.com/missing.persons.search.and.recovery/photos_stream

A lot of those are not specific to Cork. There's people from all around the country in there.

Matt_Trakker

Wattle wrote: »

A lot of those are not specific to Cork. There's people from all around the country in there.

There are people from all over the country there, yep. Still a few Kawrkies though too, especially on the FB page. Kinda weird that the FB page has more missing Cork people than the missing persons sites.

clairefontaine

danniemcq wrote: »

Purely looking at the numbers there could be as many as 100 serial killers in Ireland at the present time.

Thats probably(!) high as the only numbers i can get my hand on are for America but like I said thats about max if we had the same number ratio as Washington State.

However when averaged over the entire US you are left with a number closer to .47 serial killers per 100,000 people and when thats checked against Ireland (6.8 million people) that gives you around 30.

This again is probably high due to a number of things.

In a smaller population its much harder to remain hidden.
In a smaller population its easier to notice a trend whereas somewhere like America with a lot more "other" crimes over a much larger area its harder.
In somewhere like America there would be a lot more people who are for lack of a better word disposable (homeless, junkies, runaways etc) compared to other countries.

When you look at the numbers there is also a huge difference in terms of per state numbers. For example like I mentioned Washington with 1.47 per 100,000 is really damn high but somewhere like Nevada, S. Dakota, Vermont and West Virginia have 0.

Washington state, like Ireland has more opportunity because of its landscape. It has more serial killers but less murders too than those other states.


But yeah maybe ireland has less disposable people.

dd972

humanji wrote: »

Folks, it really shouldn't need to be said that you cannot name living people you think could be serial killers. I've had to delete a few posts here and I don't want to have to start infracting or banning people.

I think Brendan O'Carroll might be one

danniemcq

clairefontaine wrote: »

Washington state, like Ireland has more opportunity because of its landscape. It has more serial killers but less murders too than those other states.


But yeah maybe ireland has less disposable people.

Plus all the werewolves and sparkly vampires...

AnonoBoy

As a matter of interest at what point does one become a serial killer as opposed to someone who has committed multiple murders?


I'm just eh...... asking for a friend.

chopper6

I remember speaking to a Detective at a wedding a few years back when there were numerous disspearnces occuring of young women with none of them every being seen or heard from again.

I asked him did he beleive there was a serial killer in ireland and he said he was sure that there was not.

The fact is that the Gardai will not recognise dissapearnces as the work of a serial killer untill they either start discovering bodies with a similar MO or if somebody actually confesses.

Two female friends of mine were the victims of an attempted abduction by a pair of men in a car in Waterford around the time Jo Jo Dullard went missing...the gardai took the info and that was the last they girls heard about it.

It may have been a once off or maybe the men refined thier techniques...either way they were never apprehended.

Parts of ireland are very secluded and shovels are cheap...there could be several killers at large at any time...either opportunist sickos or calculating sickos who plot and plan every detail...they wont be caught either unless we find the bodies or they're apprehended in the act.

wicklowwonder

AnonoBoy wrote: »

As a matter of interest at what point does one become a serial killer as opposed to someone who has committed multiple murders?


I'm just eh...... asking for a friend.

Serial Killer is someone who has murdered three or more people.

Seachmall

AnonoBoy wrote: »

As a matter of interest at what point does one become a serial killer as opposed to someone who has committed multiple murders?


I'm just eh...... asking for a friend.

Wikipedia wrote:

A serial killer is traditionally defined as a person who has murdered three or more people over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the murders.

Although I'd imagine it varies from place to place and even case to case (for example some don't consider the Shankhill Butchers as serial killers but as paramilitary operatives)

chopper6

wicklowwonder wrote: »

Serial Killer is someone who has murdered three or more people.

Without obvious motive,is unrelated to the victim and who kills for personal pleasure etc.

They should be called "Serial Murderers" IMO as murderers are usually cowards.

xgwishyx

I remember years ago hearing about an FBI case study of Ireland and the traits/characteristics of missing folks in Ireland. They theorised that there were 3 unique serial killers here and gave that info to the Gardai but what came of it, I don't know.

I assume that if there are, and if the Gardai are aware of it and working on those cases, then we (the general public) will only know for sure when the person is brought to court. Otherwise it would cause panic and put any investigations back years.

AnonoBoy

I like the way they have a "cooling off" period.

In many ways serial killing is a lot like purchasing things on the internet isn't it?

chopper6

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I like the way they have a "cooling off" period.

In many ways serial killing is a lot like purchasing things on the internet isn't it?

They dont all...serial killers are incredibly hard to categorise and the "ability" to predict thier next move belongs in Hollywood movies.

Diemos

AnonoBoy wrote: »

As a matter of interest at what point does one become a serial killer as opposed to someone who has committed multiple murders?


I'm just eh...... asking for a friend.

A serial killer is defined as someone who kills, not in self defence, on three or more different occasions, with time spaced between the murders.

So jack the ripper would be considered a serial killer while Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, who killed 13 in Columbine, would not, they'd be mass murderers. As far as I know.

chopper6

Diemos wrote: »

A serial killer is defined as someone who kills, not in self defence, on three or more different occasions, with time spaced between the murders.

There's faaar more to it than that.

Serial killers tend not to know thier victims

Tend to specialise in a certain age group,gender,ethnic type or other classification

They do not kill for money.

They do not kill(largely) for revenge.

They often ritualise the killings to some extent.

They often move location.

They usually act alone.

They often kill sadisticaly/employ torture/humiliation/sexual assault.

They use weapons and props.

The can become delusional about thier crimes...claiming divine inspiration or show a desire to taunt authorities etc etc.

This is not a full list but the idea that somebody who commits three murders without certain trappings is a serial killer is incorrect.

Diemos

You're describing observed characteristics, generalisations, the very use of "tend", "usually" and "often" gives it away. None of which define a serial killer.

You can easily find convicted serial killers who defy large numbers of those observations.

The FBI definition of a serial killer is here.

And seeing as they invented the term, they should know.

Galwayguy35

danniemcq wrote: »

Purely looking at the numbers there could be as many as 100 serial killers in Ireland at the present time.

Thats probably(!) high as the only numbers i can get my hand on are for America but like I said thats about max if we had the same number ratio as Washington State.

However when averaged over the entire US you are left with a number closer to .47 serial killers per 100,000 people and when thats checked against Ireland (6.8 million people) that gives you around 30.

This again is probably high due to a number of things.

In a smaller population its much harder to remain hidden.
In a smaller population its easier to notice a trend whereas somewhere like America with a lot more "other" crimes over a much larger area its harder.
In somewhere like America there would be a lot more people who are for lack of a better word disposable (homeless, junkies, runaways etc) compared to other countries.

When you look at the numbers there is also a huge difference in terms of per state numbers. For example like I mentioned Washington with 1.47 per 100,000 is really damn high but somewhere like Nevada, S. Dakota, Vermont and West Virginia have 0.

Ah where are ya going with your 100 serial killers?

No way could it be that high in a small country of 4 million people.

RayCon

chopper6 wrote: »

Parts of ireland are very secluded and shovels are cheap....

I dont know why but that made me laugh ...

ScumLord

Dean0088 wrote: »

Don't serial killers normally leave a kind of trail or have a trophy pattern?

I would guess that's just a hollywood meme.

Bigfellalixnaw

What about that fella who killed a mother, her child and a priest in Clare around 1994? Brendan O'Donnell was his name, would he be considered a serial killer? By the way he committed suicide while locked-up.

The Dagda

AnonoBoy wrote: »

As a matter of interest at what point does one become a serial killer as opposed to someone who has committed multiple murders?


I'm just eh...... asking for a friend.

If you work hard enough and dream long enough, maybe, just maybe, you'll make it...

ColeTrain

Dean0088 wrote: »

Don't serial killers normally leave a kind of trail or have a trophy pattern?

There has been the case of "The Wet Bandits" who operate in Ireland. They're not serial killers but they rob your house when you're on holiday and and block your sink with rags so when they turn on the tap your house ends up like a lake.

Nasty crowd, I certainly wouldn't stay alone in my home if I knew there were in my area.

Diemos

Bigfellalixnaw wrote: »

What about that fella who killed a mother, her child and a priest in Clare around 1994? Brendan O'Donnell was his name, would he be considered a serial killer? By the way he committed suicide while locked-up.

Nope, misses out due to the time constraint.

Galwayguy35

Bigfellalixnaw wrote: »

What about that fella who killed a mother, her child and a priest in Clare around 1994? Brendan O'Donnell was his name, would he be considered a serial killer? By the way he committed suicide while locked-up.

It was a heart attack the killed him if I remember correctly, he used to hang around the area where I live a good bit, everyone was afraid of him even though he was only a small fella.

mrkiscool2

danniemcq wrote: »

Purely looking at the numbers there could be as many as 100 serial killers in Ireland at the present time.

Thats probably(!) high as the only numbers i can get my hand on are for America but like I said thats about max if we had the same number ratio as Washington State.

However when averaged over the entire US you are left with a number closer to .47 serial killers per 100,000 people and when thats checked against Ireland (6.8 million people) that gives you around 30.

This again is probably high due to a number of things.

In a smaller population its much harder to remain hidden.
In a smaller population its easier to notice a trend whereas somewhere like America with a lot more "other" crimes over a much larger area its harder.
In somewhere like America there would be a lot more people who are for lack of a better word disposable (homeless, junkies, runaways etc) compared to other countries.

When you look at the numbers there is also a huge difference in terms of per state numbers. For example like I mentioned Washington with 1.47 per 100,000 is really damn high but somewhere like Nevada, S. Dakota, Vermont and West Virginia have 0.

Ehh no, the CIA and FBI generally say that 55 serial killers are active at any one time in the US. What does active mean? That they have killed recently (I think recently is 3 years, not sure about that though). According to your stats there would be 1,800 serial killers in the States, which there just aren't!

There is more than likely either a single serial killer active and one or two who aren't or there are no active serial killers but 2 or 3 are around! Not a hundred and not 30. 3 at max who have never been caught!

chopper6

Bigfellalixnaw wrote: »

What about that fella who killed a mother, her child and a priest in Clare around 1994? Brendan O'Donnell was his name, would he be considered a serial killer? By the way he committed suicide while locked-up.

Nah...he was just a lunatic who went on the rampage.