Airport security, can they do anything besides tell you to go away?

arleitiss

Hey, first of all YES I understand it's against airport crap rules.
Secondly: if wrong section, can mods please move this? - Just thought many people who drive face this.

So the situation is:
Last night at around 2 AM, I had to pick up friend at T2, so I went to set down area (as I usually do), and stopped there, it was so late that there was not a single soul or a car around except 1 grumpy guard (police security not Garda). Even though there was no one around he came up and made me move, so I made a lap around airport and came back, this time I stood there and called a friend (Assuming they wont make me move since I am talking on phone) I mean rules of the road clearly say pull in and then answer phone if needed, yet he still came up and made me move basically encouraging me to drive and use phone but ofcourse I turned on BT speaker and left.

For next 10 minutes I was making circles rolling 5 km/h and standing for 30 seconds on stop signs (since there was no cars around me)

Here is map, red is my circles, and yellow circled area is the 5 km/h zone.


was just wondering what's the point of this pointless rule? I mean during day there is barely anybody walking around telling to leave, at night when there is no cars around they make me leave, can they actually do anything legally other than say go away?

I mean it feels like the security guard was bored, because few times he told me to leave, I just went to the end of yellow zone where set down area ends, and stood there, even then he wasn't lazy enough to walk there (but I left before he reached me), and so happened about 5 times, he walked all the way there and back about 5 times, I mean I know its' abit ass thing to do but I just got a bit angry that even if he sees I am on phone he tells to leave even tried being there with hazards on, what if my car broke down? would he make me push it out of the airport or what?


I don't get point of this rule/law in airport.

Guy:Incognito

arleitiss wrote: »

I mean rules of the road clearly say pull in and then answer phone if needed,.

You know you cant just come to a stop anywhere you see fit just because your on the phone? The normal rules still apply.

You could always do as your supposed to and use the big concrete thing for putting cars in. A carpark I believe they call them.Or if you don't want to do that, stay outside the airport and have your friend ring when they are out , then pick them up. By your own admission you'd have been in the set down area (signed as a drop off point all around it) for 10 minutes.

BTW, was he airport police? They are not just "security gaurds"

arleitiss wrote: »

even tried being there with hazards on, .

Well that changes everything.:rolleyes:

arleitiss

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You know you cant just come to a stop anywhere you see fit just because your on the phone? The normal rules still apply.

Yeah but it's still not a double line, not a motorway, not a drive path or anything or even hard shoulder (I don't pull in on hard shoulders)

OU812

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyOX4G7TmE0

morritty

It's just a whole scam to make you use the carpark for 10 minutes and charge you by the hour at nearly a fiver, also if they didnt enforce the rule everyone would park up and wait there and the whole place would be blocked, i see your point as it happened to me before when nobody was around, but i guess they cant let everyone away with it just because its late at night and not many people are around at the end of the day it's just a job they have to do.

Guy:Incognito

morritty wrote: »

It's just a whole scam to make you use the carpark for 10 minutes and charge you by the hour at nearly a fiver,.

morritty wrote: »

also if they didnt enforce the rule everyone would park up and wait there and the whole place would be blocked.

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So it is a scam or done with good reason

sdanseo

Airport security don't exist - they're Airport Police.

They are authorised officers of the Minister for Transport under the Aviation Act, and have all the powers of a Garda (and more, which are extended to both organisations) while on the Airport grounds.

Relevant Act

morritty

Sorry that looks a bit wrong, how i mean it is that yeah its done with good will but the price they charge for the car park for even just ten minutes is a scam. With the amount of people passing through those carparks daily they really do not need such a high charge let alone hourly rates for 10 minutes use

shedweller

It is what it is. Just pay the damn money and be done with it. It's not like you're doing this every day is it?

arleitiss

sdeire wrote: »

Airport security don't exist - they're Airport Police.

They are authorised officers of the Minister for Transport under the Aviation Act, and have all the powers of a Garda (and more, which are extended to both organisations) while on the Airport grounds.

But the guy wasn't even wearing a proper uniform, just workers clothes and a high-vis vest that's it, not even badges or anything, tbh it looked like some kind of trolley pusher, I've seen airport police loads of times.

arleitiss

shedweller wrote: »

It is what it is. Just pay the damn money and be done with it. It's not like you're doing this every day is it?

I am once or twice a week.

unichall

sdeire wrote: »

Airport security don't exist - they're Airport Police.

They are authorised officers of the Minister for Transport under the Aviation Act, and have all the powers of a Garda (and more, which are extended to both organisations) while on the Airport grounds.

Can they issue tickets under the road traffic act for public roads in the airport boundries? What powers do they have to make you move from the set down area, same as a garda who has the authority to direct you where to go in a car?

morritty

shedweller wrote: »

It is what it is. Just pay the damn money and be done with it. It's not like you're doing this every day is it?

No, not everyday but a good few times during the year, yes. Anyway I already mentioned that it's in good will but I was just making a point.

Guy:Incognito

arleitiss wrote: »

But the guy wasn't even wearing a proper uniform, just workers clothes and a high-vis vest that's it, not even badges or anything, tbh it looked like some kind of trolley pusher, I've seen airport police loads of times.

Does it matter if it was someone from the control tower? There are rules and your expected to obey them.

There's a bloody gate from the airport ground in to Kielys carpark, you could have gone there and waited for your friend to walk over to you if you wanted.

sdanseo

arleitiss wrote: »

But the guy wasn't even wearing a proper uniform, just workers clothes and a high-vis vest that's it, not even badges or anything, tbh it looked like some kind of trolley pusher, I've seen airport police loads of times.

He might well have been a trolley pusher - I did that job a while back. More likely if not in an Airport Police uniform he might have been a member of the Car Park staff.

Even then, legally, he probably has the authority to tell you to move on. He works for the private company which owns the property you were parked on

shedweller

arleitiss wrote: »

I am once or twice a week.

Fair enough. You may get creative with your timing. Wait till your liftee texts you that hes out and you go pick him up. Do you live close by?

arleitiss

sdeire wrote: »

He might well have been a trolley pusher - I did that job a while back. More likely if not in an Airport Police uniform he might have been a member of the Car Park staff.

Even then, legally, he probably has the authority to tell you to move on. He works for the private company which owns the property you were parked on

I always thought Airport isn't private?

arleitiss

shedweller wrote: »

Fair enough. You may get creative with your timing. Wait till your liftee texts you that hes out and you go pick him up. Do you live close by?

8 minutes (from city via M1 to airport) during evening ,or around 20-25 during day.

morritty

Beside the city centre, so 20 minutes at least, but accounting for traffic iv had times taking nearly 45 minutes.

sdanseo

arleitiss wrote: »

I always thought Airport isn't private?

It's both private property and a public place - the latter being somewhere "to which the public have access"

You enter on acceptance of the rules and regulations of the airport, which are grounded in the Air Navigation and Transport Act. And the Airport Bye Laws (SI 425/1994)

Prohibited Acts (Vehicles and Equipment)
5. Each of the following acts, in relation to vehicles or equipment, is hereby prohibited:—

(1) bringing any vehicle or equipment of a type forbidden by Aer Rianta into an airport;
(2) in the opinion of an authorised officer, driving a vehicle or placing equipment without due consideration for other users of an airport;
(3) failure by the driver of a vehicle to stop when required by an authorised officer;
(4) parking or leaving vehicles or equipment at any access or perimeter or emergency gates;
(5) parking a vehicle or leaving equipment elsewhere than in a place provided and specified for that purpose;
(6) improperly parking a vehicle or improperly leaving equipment;
(7) failure to comply with the directions of an authorised officer, or of signs erected in relation to parking vehicles or leaving equipment;
(8) failure by a person in charge of a vehicle or equipment to remove it from any parking place when required to do so by an authorised officer;
(9) failure by the driver of a vehicle or person in charge of equipment to report, without delay, to an authorised officer any accident or any incident of a hazardous nature within an airport in which the vehicle or equipment is involved or to give to such officer his name and address and, where he is not the owner, the name and address of the owner of the vehicle or equipment;
(10) failure by the owner or person in charge of a vehicle or equipment to furnish to Aer Rianta, in such form and within such time as may be requested by an authorised officer, a report of any accident or incident of a hazardous nature within an airport in which the vehicle or equipment has been involved;
(11) plying a vehicle for hire at an airport without a taxi/hackney permit;
(12) abandoning vehicles or equipment in any part of an airport.

As an aside here - I always park when I'm picking people up. It's €3 for an hour. If you're running a car, you can probably afford three quid.

Jhcx

Personally imo, like all things in the airport your see as a threat. They dont want you lingering around sussing out the place. having a car parked in a zone for more that the designated time that is allowed is breaking rules anyway. Regardless if your on the phone or not within the airport grounds your expected to drop the mobile and floor it. for all they know you could be ringing joe inside telling him where to go whos there. granted there may be no passengers or staff there at stupid o clock but rules are a 24/7 thing in the airport. and its always under surveillance. you have a few options though. pay your €5 parking, Drive around 10-20times or show up when the person you are collecting is waiting outside the door ready for a speedy entry into the car.

CiniO

OP believe it or not, but I was about to write in relation to the same subject recently.

I am generally very strict on my parking. I would never park in illegal place or place which would obstruct someone. It annoys me greatly that in town I live everyone parks anywhere, having completely no regard for anyone else - but that's a fact and I can't do anything about it.
I live in the West but I do visit Dublin airport from time to time, either to fly somewhere or to pick up or drop off someone.

As above I never break parking rules, then "drop off only, no pickup" on terminal one road is exception. I've picked up some people from there, as it completely makes no sense to me to drive into the short term parking, pay few quid, spend good few minutes to find a place, and walk down to the terminal to find the person. Instead I always ask whoever I'm about to pick up, to walk up to that road where "drop-off only" works, and I pick them up from there.
I fully understand that parking there for extensive amout of minutes is not what they expect, that's why I always make sure person is there before I drive in there.
In such case it literaly takes 15 seconds for that person to drop baggage into my boot, hop on to the car and I drive off.

But one time, few months ago, I arrived there. My mother was waiting for me, but there was this Airport police guy, who first thing when he saw me on driving there on my own, he told me to drive off immediately. I asked if I can pick up my mother, which by that time was already standing 1 metre by my car and looking at him. He said no, and forced me to drive off.

I understand that rules are there to obey them, but I can't understand why this parking is "drop off only" instead of something like "1 minute parking maximum" which would make much more sense.

I hate the idea of paying cash for short term parking, which will require me to spend 15 minutes on the airport instead of 15 seconds when I can pick up someone.

That day I eventually pick up my mom further on the road, as I called her and asked to walk towards coach parking, and I picked her up on the way there near pedestrian crossing.

Complete nonsense IMHO.

Wheelnut

arleitiss wrote: »

... except 1 grumpy guard (police security not Garda).

The way you personalise that makes me wonder are you female.

arleitiss wrote: »

(Assuming they wont make me move since I am talking on phone)

Sweet devine Jayses!

arleitiss wrote: »

basically encouraging me to drive and use phone

Ah FFS.

arleitiss wrote: »

... it feels like the security guard was bored
... even then he wasn't lazy enough to walk there

More girly personalisation.

arleitiss wrote: »

I know its' abit ass thing to do

First sensible thing you said.

arleitiss wrote: »

even if he sees I am on phone he tells to leave even tried being there with hazards on

I despair!

Next time let somebody else go to the airport, it's obvious that they don't understand you.

arleitiss

okay, so from all I read, legally they can't really issue a ticket for "making laps" or saying: "oh yeah, I didn't know I can't park there, sorry I am moving"

arleitiss

Wheelnut wrote: »

The way you personalise that makes me wonder are you female.


Sweet devine Jayses!


Ah FFS.


More girly personalisation.


First sensible thing you said.



I despair!

Next time let somebody else go to the airport, it's obvious that they don't understand you.

By seeing how much sense you made there, makes me wonder are you women yourself, because I am not

DuckSlice

i was parked in the overtaking lane on the m4 the other day, was on the phone, and people were beeping at me, i mean the cheek of them? i had my bloody hazards on what more could i do.

morritty

etxp wrote: »

i was parked in the overtaking lane on the m4 the other day, was on the phone, and people were beeping at me, i mean the cheek of them? i had my bloody hazards on what more could i do.

*Prays for sarcasm or typo*

arleitiss

etxp wrote: »

i was parked in the overtaking lane on the m4 the other day, was on the phone, and people were beeping at me, i mean the cheek of them? i had my bloody hazards on what more could i do.

Being on hard shoulder and being on a set down area when there is no one around is quite a huge difference I think, one one there is 100 km/h cars flying by, on other there is 10 km/h cars rolling by.

arleitiss

morritty wrote: »

*Prays for sarcasm or typo*

It's sarcasm, glad it is, otherwise it would be terrifying knowing there is a driver not knowing such simple differences

morritty

arleitiss wrote: »

It's sarcasm, glad it is, otherwise it would be terrifying knowing there is a driver not knowing such simple differences

Well it's not like we all haven't seen or heard or worse things happening on the road

arleitiss

morritty wrote: »

Well it's not like we all haven't seen or heard or worse things happening on the road

I can only imagine every single driver parking up with the speed of 80 km/h on hard shoulder

DuckSlice

morritty wrote: »

*Prays for sarcasm or typo*

dont worry its sarcasm.

but in all seriousness i mean they are what they are, pick up areas. my brother was in america recently working, and his wife went over half way through his stint, now this will have been a busier airport im sure but he pulled into the pick up area and she was waiting for him, he literally didnt have the bags in the car 2 seconds and the warden was screaming at him to get moving and if he ddnt the car was getting towed. i think they were allowed 2minutes and that was it.

you will probably have been seen as a Security risk, as stupid as that sounds i know but airports are very cautious these days.

Maybe just park on the forecourt of the garage across from the clarion the next time? get yourself a kitkat or something. they had nice coffee in there last time i was there.

K.Flyer

Obviously not many people here remember the times when it was a free for all arena ouside the airport which often desended into chaos because off the f#@kwits who would double park their cars "only for a minute" while they went to look for whoever they were picking up.
The area is for dropping off, No Parking!, Stop Drop and Go, how difficult is it to understand.
Its their gaff, their rules (for a logical reason) so tough.
Just because its dead of night and nobody about does not mean you should be treated any different.

arleitiss

K.Flyer wrote: »

Obviously not many people here remember the times when it was a free for all arena ouside the airport which often desended into chaos because off the f#@kwits who would double park their cars "only for a minute" while they went to look for whoever they were picking up.
The area is for dropping off, No Parking!, Stop Drop and Go, how difficult is it to understand.
Its their gaff, their rules (for a logical reason) so tough.
Just because its dead of night and nobody about does not mean you should be treated any different.

Okay, so by your logic: Why is it bad to: Stop, pick up and leave? same time taken, yet in such case as you read for many above - these guards go mad?

arleitiss

etxp wrote: »

dont worry its sarcasm.

but in all seriousness i mean they are what they are, pick up areas. my brother was in america recently working, and his wife went over half way through his stint, now this will have been a busier airport im sure but he pulled into the pick up area and she was waiting for him, he literally didnt have the bags in the car 2 seconds and the warden was screaming at him to get moving and if he ddnt the car was getting towed. i think they were allowed 2minutes and that was it.

you will probably have been seen as a Security risk, as stupid as that sounds i know but airports are very cautious these days.

Maybe just park on the forecourt of the garage across from the clarion the next time? get yourself a kitkat or something. they had nice coffee in there last time i was there.

There was a nice topaz station before (which still owes me a pastery and a coffee) but its' closed down for upgrade/rebuild now.

Guy:Incognito

arleitiss wrote: »

There was a nice topaz station before (which still owes me a pastery and a coffee) but its' closed down for upgrade/rebuild now.

Its still open (its a container, but its open)

Guy:Incognito

arleitiss wrote: »

Okay, so by your logic: Why is it bad to: Stop, pick up and leave? same time taken, yet in such case as you read for many above - these guards go mad?

That wouldn't be so bad but what happens when you allow pick ups is that people take the piss (ie , the way you admitted you'd have been sat there for 10 minutes).

Drop offs are in the car and are getting out, pick ups very often involve people turning up before the person comes out.

K.Flyer

arleitiss wrote: »

Okay, so by your logic: Why is it bad to: Stop, pick up and leave? same time taken, yet in such case as you read for many above - these guards go mad?

Have you ever been there on a busy day?
Taxis are not even allowed pick up a booked fare from there.
If you allow one to do it then you have to allow others, then it goes out to "I am only going to be waiting a few minutes" then its " I'm just running in to find them". You see its the old "... give people an inch and they will take a mile" so the authorities said "feck yis all it a set down area only, use the car park for pickin' up"

CiniO

K.Flyer wrote: »

Have you ever been there on a busy day?
Taxis are not even allowed pick up a booked fare from there.
If you allow one to do it then you have to allow others, then it goes out to "I am only going to be waiting a few minutes" then its " I'm just running in to find them". You see its the old "... give people an inch and they will take a mile" so the authorities said "feck yis all it a set down area only, use the car park for pickin' up"

Why not solve it the way other airports solved that problem?
Limit parking time there to 1 or 2 minutes without indicating if it's for pickup or dropoff. Problem gone.

Guy:Incognito

CiniO wrote: »

Why not solve it the way other airports solved that problem?
Limit parking time there to 1 or 2 minutes without indicating if it's for pickup or dropoff. Problem gone.

Its currently set at 0 minutes but the op wanted to stop for 10. People take the piss

wonski

CiniO wrote: »

Why not solve it the way other airports solved that problem?
Limit parking time there to 1 or 2 minutes without indicating if it's for pickup or dropoff. Problem gone.

Links to the airports please.
And most people don't have problem with these rules. Just few.

CiniO

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Its currently set at 0 minutes but the op wanted to stop for 10. People take the piss

I'm not sure what place OP was talking about, but I think he mentioned place where it say "drop off only, no pickup", so it's not limited to 0 minutes.

wonski

CiniO wrote: »

I'm not sure what place OP was talking about, but I think he mentioned place where it say "drop off only, no pickup", so it's not limited to 0 minutes.

0 minutes for the OP, as it wasn't drop off. Drop-off is instant, even if you take few hugs, kisses etc into account. Pick-ups - different story.
It isn't time limited, but purpose limited. If you have no passengers, you don't stopped there. You will get away with this if your passengers are ready (except of your story), but you usually get away with it. OP's case is different - he stopped there and he knew he was wrong.

visual

CiniO wrote: »

Why not solve it the way other airports solved that problem?
Limit parking time there to 1 or 2 minutes without indicating if it's for pickup or dropoff. Problem gone.

There is a perfectly good short term car park dirrectly across the road to allow you access arrivals at the correct level.

Drop off zone is at departures level for a very good reason. Its managed and policed to keep selfish thoughtless people from disrupting and inconveniencing both the airport and traveling public alike.

While you have little respect for the airport police remember they provide a vital role in policing the airport and keeping us all safe.

Terrorism doesn't give advanced warning and selfish idiots parking their cars illegally pretending to be on phone and inappropriatly using hazzard lights increass the risk for everyone as your tying up limited resources.

You may have forgotted or too young to remember a bomb did explode at that airport with loss of life.

Its one of the reasons bags can't be left unattended or cars abandoned at doors.

arleitiss

visual wrote: »

There is a perfectly good short term car park dirrectly across the road to allow you access arrivals at the correct level.

Drop off zone is at departures level for a very good reason. Its managed and policed to keep selfish thoughtless people from disrupting and inconveniencing both the airport and traveling public alike.

While you have little respect for the airport police remember they provide a vital role in policing the airport and keeping us all safe.

Terrorism doesn't give advanced warning and selfish idiots parking their cars illegally pretending to be on phone and inappropriatly using hazzard lights increass the risk for everyone as your tying up limited resources.

You may have forgotted or too young to remember a bomb did explode at that airport with loss of life.

Its one of the reasons bags can't be left unattended or cars abandoned at doors.

I was never suggesting leaving car unattended.

Wils110

I'm in the situation where if I'm collecting people from the airport I can leave my house when they land and meet them at drop off.if for some reason they are delayed, il drive out of the drop off area and stay in the left lane and just drive through the petrol station where there is a road just behind it . I wil park up there and pop back around and meet them..

wonski

arleitiss wrote: »

I was never suggesting leaving car unattended.

Why didn't you tell this to the "lazy trolley pusher" (as you disrespectly called whoever he was) who did his job and asked you to leave?
Honestly, what is your agenda? - do you think they work to hard not letting you use the drop-off zone to park and wait for passengers or what. I don't get it. Anyone driving to most of the airports in the world has to obey by these rules, in some cases You might get away when they don't spot you, but generally you are expected to leave when they ask. Simple. 3 euro parking isn't the end of the world. What is your idea of parking policy at the airport?

wonski

Wils110 wrote: »

I'm in the situation where if I'm collecting people from the airport I can leave my house when they land and meet them at drop off.if for some reason they are delayed, il drive out of the drop off area and stay in the left lane and just drive through the petrol station where there is a road just behind it . I wil park up there and pop back around and meet them..

That's what most people do in your situation, and it usually works. Unless you want to sit in your car there;) Then it doesn't work.
But there is no guarantee they won't ask you to leave as you have no passengers to drop off...

visual

arleitiss wrote: »

I was never suggesting leaving car unattended.

Yes but your wasting resources because you have chosen to ignore all the rules. Along with being at the wrong level. Because of security risks the area is monitored live by operators on cctv as well as being recorded 24/7 along with physical present of airport police.

There is zero waiting allowed there.

More and more airport's are putting drop off and collection points futher away from the terminals mindfull of the risk of some terrorist driving or parking a car full of explosives against the terminals. Scotland had a nutter try ram his way into a termial with jeep packed full of explosives.

Its reason roads approching terminals have no facilities for stopping.

Even taxis have a holding area away from the terminal and only allowed to be called up in small controlled numbers to arrival level.

Both the arrivals and departures is all carefully managed. There is a very good reason its all done the way it is.

I don't dispute the parking charge could be cheaper and for short term their isnt any other choice than use the DAA car park.

roughneck

you should have told him to fu2k off ,he has as much power as a traffic warden, you can drive right up to most airports in europe and the u.s.a to pick up and drop off ,with a 15-20 min time alowance but here no its money money no wonder everyone wants to **** off .this country is a joke ,

wonski

roughneck wrote: »

you can drive right up to most airports in europe and the u.s.a to pick up and drop off ,with a 15-20 min time alowance

Free 15-20 minutes at short term car park - yes, it happens, but in front of the terminal - don't think so. Never been to US so can only speak about Europe.