Nationality & benefits

darkpagandeath

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/20-of-unemployment-benefit-claimants-are-non-irish-246581.html

What's Nationality got to do with anything (regarding EU citizens) ? Were all part of the EU now. Seems like pointing figures and saying none Irish taking dole or benefits from Irish Nationals. Pretty sure if you look at the Uk would be similar amount of Irish people on the dole there. Really seems the government are really bashing the dole atm to distract from there budget or other mistakes they have made. Why do these figures need to be released at all ? just to get the media into a spin and have a group to blame all the problems on ?

Gee Bag

I fail to detect a malicous agenda it the linked article.

Chucken

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why do these figures need to be released at all ? just to get the Afterhours into a spin and have a group to blame all the problems on ?

Joe10000

It seems welfare tourism is rife so anything they do to stop it is a welcome development.

darkpagandeath

Gee Bag wrote: »

I fail to detect a malicous agenda it the linked article.

Did you miss the massive headline

20% of unemployment benefit claimants are non-Irish

Gatling

Interesting is the high numbers getting the state pension

Clandestine

I hate the welfare state, the laws need a reform

Gee Bag

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Did you miss the massive headline

20% of unemployment benefit claimants are non-Irish

Ah right, didn't catch it the first time, thanks for putting it in bold for me.

darkpagandeath

Joe10000 wrote: »

It seems welfare tourism is rife so anything they do to stop it is a welcome development.

You have the same right to go to another European country and if you qualify claim benefits. Maybe they came here to work and lost there jobs ?

Gatling

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You have the same right to go to another European country and if you qualify claim benefits. Maybe they came here to work and lost there jobs ?

Others countries aren't paying out 188e pw which in some places is close to civil servants wages for been unemployed

Clandestine

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You have the same right to go to another European country and if you qualify claim benefits.

A ridiculous concept. People should not be able to enter a foreign country and receive money for nothing. A country should serve its own, home born citizens first, immigrants should not be provided for like this.

Clandestine

If people come to Ireland and cannot find work, they should be deported. It'll cost the state a lot less money in the long run.

Nodin

Clandestine wrote: »

I hate the welfare state, the laws need a reform

....yep, the way you pay money to the state when your working and get a small allowance when you aren't is a nightmare from hell.

darkpagandeath

Clandestine wrote: »

A ridiculous concept. People should not be able to enter a foreign country and receive money for nothing. A country should serve its own, home born citizens first, immigrants should not be provided for like this.

Oh the irony...

Gran Hermano

I'm confused, are the foreigners coming over to claim welfare the same foreigners who come over to take our jobs?

Chucken

Clandestine wrote: »

. People should not be able to enter a foreign country and receive money for nothing. .

People can do this??

Nodin

Gran Hermano wrote: »

I'm confused, are the foreigners coming over to claim welfare the same foreigners who come over to take our jobs?

Yep. Quantum Foreigners.

Nodin

Clandestine wrote: »

A ridiculous concept. People should not be able to enter a foreign country and receive money for nothing. A country should serve its own, home born citizens first, immigrants should not be provided for like this.

You cannot arrive and claim. As has been pointed out endless times before.

darkpagandeath

Clandestine wrote: »

If people come to Ireland and cannot find work, they should be deported. It'll cost the state a lot less money in the long run.

So it's fine to take money from the EU for years and when it come's to paying Benefit money to people from the EU that came here to work we don't have to ?

Chucken

Ah lads ye missed the most important bit.

One in five people claiming unemployment benefit are non- Irish nationals from other EU countries — a quarter of them from Britain — according to a major report on the impact of unemployed migrants on social welfare budgets.

Feckin Brits at it again

Cedrus

Dey tuk ur scratch!

darkpagandeath

Gatling wrote: »

Others countries aren't paying out 188e pw which in some places is close to civil servants wages for been unemployed

Other places aren't charging stupid amounts for goods and services either (most higher than in the celtic tiger). fallacy the government give you to much money and your going on 3 holidays a year while driving a Bmw claiming SW.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Chucken wrote: »

Ah lads ye missed the most important bit.

One in five people claiming unemployment benefit are non- Irish nationals from other EU countries — a quarter of them from Britain — according to a major report on the impact of unemployed migrants on social welfare budgets.

Feckin Brits at it again

Yeah, typical Brits eh, we send our young college educated people over to them and in return we get plane fulls of former Jeremy Kyle guests.

BRITAIN: FUCKING IRELAND IN THE ASS FOR 800 YEARS!!!

MadsL

At least they are non-Irish now, not non-nationals.

darkpagandeath

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Yeah, typical Brits eh, we send our young college educated people over to them and in return we get plane fulls of former Jeremy Kyle guests.

BRITAIN: FUCKING IRELAND IN THE ASS FOR 800 YEARS!!!

So all them people in the caravans are college educated now ?

MadsL

Could we have a breakdown of how many years of tax and PRSI were paid by the non-Irish now claiming their entitlement as a result of their PRSI contributions.

MuchoLoco

I finished my job recently and went back on job seekers there are lots of foreign people in the welfare centre and post office were i have to go that is why i laugh when people come out with the lazy irish so and so personally im surprised it is not higher myself based on what i see with my own eyes.

darkpagandeath

MuchoLoco wrote: »

I finished my job recently and went back on job seekers there are loads of foreign people in the welfare centre and post office were i have to go that is why i laugh when people come out with the lazy irish so and so personally im surprised it is not higher myself based on what i see with my own eyes.

Yeah dam us for being multicultural now

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Other places aren't charging stupid amounts for goods and services either (most higher than in the celtic tiger). fallacy the government give you to much money and you going on 3 holidays a year while driving a Bmw claiming SW.

The article states that the Irish social welfare system gives its recipients the second highest purchasing power out of every EU country bar Belgium. The Irish social welfare system can be extremely attractive when you're out of work in somewhere like Poland or Latvia.

By the way, I am not in favour of reducing the 188 paid out per week here, just stating it's a better deal than most/nearly all other countries in the EU/world.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So all them people in the caravans are college educated now ?

Isn't there something like 1 million Irish born citizens living in Britain.

How many live in caravans?

MuchoLoco

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yeah dam us for being multicultural now

But they are foreign to this country but not to our welfare it seems.:D

Femme_Fatale

No different to an Irish person losing their job abroad and being in receipt of social welfare while they looked for a new one.
You can't just arrive in Ireland and start drawing the dole.

MadsL

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

The Irish social welfare system can be extremely attractive when you're out of work in somewhere like Poland or Latvia.

Pity you can't just arrive and claim then.

Chucken

MuchoLoco wrote: »

But they are foreign to this country but not to our welfare it seems.:D

I'm sure if you headed off to Canada or Australia...or even to England, you would check these things out too. Just in case things went belly up for you.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

MadsL wrote: »

Pity you can't just arrive and claim then.

Did I say they could?

Gatling

MadsL wrote: »

Pity you can't just arrive and claim then.

If you're already here and claiming there set for life it seem's

marzic

fixed your title

darkpagandeath

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

The article states that the Irish social welfare system gives its recipients the second highest purchasing power out of every EU country bar Belgium. The Irish social welfare system can be extremely attractive when you're out of work in somewhere like Poland or Latvia.

By the way, I am not in favour of reducing the 188 paid out per week here, just stating it's a better deal than most/nearly all other countries in the EU/world.

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/2-21062013-AP/EN/2-21062013-AP-EN.PDF

think you will find were what 5th (if not higher) most expensive place to live in the Eu

crockholm

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

No different to an Irish person losing their job abroad and being in receipt of social welfare while they looked for a new one.
You can't just arrive in Ireland and start drawing the dole.

Not where I'm living.If you don't have unemployment insurance you're focked.My location is craftily incorporated into my user name.

Chucken

Gatling wrote: »

If you're already here and claiming there set for life it seem's

Yes and don't forget, they'll never have to buy a buggy. Ever.

MadsL

Gatling wrote: »

If you're already here and claiming there set for life it seem's

But you still need to live here. At Irish cost of living rates, not Latvian ones.

Gatling

MadsL wrote: »

But you still need to live here. At Irish cost of living rates, not Latvian ones.

I understand but how long should they be the supported on welfare if there here only a few years ,

Femme_Fatale

Gatling wrote: »

If you're already here and claiming there set for life it seem's

As set up "for life" as any Irish person on the dole I guess.

marzic wrote: »

fixed your title

Huh?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

darkpagandeath wrote: »

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/2-21062013-AP/EN/2-21062013-AP-EN.PDF

think you will find were what 5th (if not higher) most expensive place to live in the Eu

Not questioning for a second that we're not an expensive place to live, that's the joys of living on an island that's not densely populated. I literally just quoted what was said in the article and I see no reason to think it isn't true.

188 per week I think would be a relatively good weekly wage in many of those EU countries though so not exactly a particularly bad deal at all tbh.

crockholm

My gripe with this is basically you can have some guy who came over from the Baltics in 2006,worked in a low paying job,paying little or no tax or prsi,is made redundant in 2008 and has been claiming welfare/sup. allowance since.

It is not economically prudent to have this lad stay here unemployed indefinitely-not good for the taxpayer anyway.

Gatling

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

As set up "for life" as any Irish person on the dole I guess.

Huh?

OK

MuchoLoco

Chucken wrote: »

I'm sure if you headed off to Canada or Australia...or even to England, you would check these things out too. Just in case things went belly up for you.

If it went belly up i would return to Ireland !!! but why would someone from Lithuania go home when the money from a weeks dole here is nearly more than they make in a month. and people say the cost of living ect ... how many have you ever seen in any supermarket with a trolley full of shopping because i never have they live a completely different way to Irish people they can live comfortable on the social welfare here and still send a few quid home to the family

darkpagandeath

crockholm wrote: »

My gripe with this is basically you can have some guy who came over from the Baltics in 2006,worked in a low paying job,paying little or no tax or prsi,is made redundant in 2008 and has been claiming welfare/sup. allowance since.

It is not economically prudent to have this lad stay here unemployed indefinitely-not good for the taxpayer anyway.

Do you not see the irony in them making 20% sound big when the other 80% are Irish ?

Gatling

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Do you not see the irony in them making 20% sound big when the other 80% are Irish ?

14% jobless are Irish according to that article

Chucken

crockholm wrote: »

My gripe with this is basically you can have some guy who came over from the Baltics in 2006,worked in a low paying job,paying little or no tax or prsi,is made redundant in 2008 and has been claiming welfare/sup. allowance since.

It is not economically prudent to have this lad stay here unemployed indefinitely-not good for the taxpayer anyway.

My gripe would be that some guy who came over from the Baltics to take up work that was" beneath" most Irish lads at the time, is now being talked about like he's a 2nd class person.
Believe it or not, most of your "guys from the Baltics" came here for a better life. That does not mean they had a long term plan to end up on the dole.

zanador

I know of a few Irish who were living abroad and came home and claim here on the basis of their tax paid in another EU country. Are they better/worse than the foreigners who worked her, paid tax here, built lives here and now claim here?

The only person I ever knew living somewhere else and flying in to Ireland to claim was an Irish guy living in Italy and claiming disability here.

Money claimed here stays in the Irish economy for the most part.

When will people stop letting the government sidetrack them from the real issues using the age old (and most effective) military tactic of divide and conquer?