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Gridwest project.

  • 17-10-2013 9:53pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭


    Eirgrid plan on imposing a 400Kv power line and pylons through the heart of Mayo, Roscommon and Leitrim posing increased health risks and irreparably damaging the environment, heritage and livelihoods of all the communities through which the project passes.Do people on here realise the full implications of this ?


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    jonny d wrote: »
    Eirgrid plan on imposing a 400Kv power line and pylons through the heart of Mayo, Roscommon and Leitrim posing increased health risks and irreparably damaging the environment, heritage and livelihoods of all the communities through which the project passes.Do people on here realise the full implications of this ?

    Any good links to site which backup the statements above?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,604 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    jonny d wrote: »
    Eirgrid plan on imposing a 400Kv power line and pylons through the heart of Mayo, Roscommon and Leitrim posing increased health risks and irreparably damaging the environment, heritage and livelihoods of all the communities through which the project passes.Do people on here realise the full implications of this ?

    The attitude of a lot of people is they don't care until it's in there back yard


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭Avns1s


    irishgeo wrote: »
    The attitude of a lot of people is they don't care until it's in there back yard

    It never ceases to amaze me that we all want top class infrastructure but yet when it is proposed to be provided, we go off the head if it comes within miles of us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭OriginV


    Was looking at the route on google maps their and It will probably be going straight through the farm..


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    jonny d wrote: »
    Eirgrid plan on imposing a 400Kv power line and pylons through the heart of Mayo, Roscommon and Leitrim posing increased health risks and irreparably damaging the environment, heritage and livelihoods of all the communities through which the project passes.Do people on here realise the full implications of this ?
    It's electricity. It's the same electricity that powers the computer you typed this post on, albeit at a higher voltage (and, consequently, further away from you).

    There are no health risks from overhead powerlines (or mobile phone masts, or your WiFi router) that a well-made tinfoil hat won't protect you from.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭Avns1s


    OriginV wrote: »
    Was looking at the route on google maps their and It will probably be going straight through the farm..

    Lucky you! The neighbours will have it in for you when you're getting the payments for your land being used and they're not. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭jonny d


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    It's electricity. It's the same electricity that powers the computer you typed this post on, albeit at a higher voltage (and, consequently, further away from you).

    There are no health risks from overhead powerlines (or mobile phone masts, or your WiFi router) that a well-made tinfoil hat won't protect you from.

    Quite a petty reply to make in all honesty.

    Just google "heath risks associated with 400kv high voltage transmission line"
    and make up your own mind. I did. Not to mention the much larger picture of north Mayo being once again being raped for its natural resources with no tangible benefit to its communities. These lines could be potentially be 25m from my house, but I have been assured that they will be placed 50m away if possible, so I am happy. :mad:


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    jonny d wrote: »
    Quite a petty reply to make in all honesty.

    Just google "heath risks associated with 400kv high voltage transmission line"
    and make up your own mind. I did. Not to mention the much larger picture of north Mayo being once again being raped for its natural resources with no tangible benefit to its communities. These lines could be potentially be 25m from my house, but I have been assured that they will be placed 50m away if possible, so I am happy. :mad:

    Ah, Google the old reliable.
    If they are going to be 50m away then how are they going to be 25m...

    I guess you aren't too happy about Shell been there either?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭jonny d


    yop wrote: »
    Ah, Google the old reliable.
    If they are going to be 50m away then how are they going to be 25m...

    I guess you aren't too happy about Shell been there either?

    A link here makes some points.
    http://www.abermulewales.co.uk/Facts_gareth_thomas.pdf

    At the heel of the hunt there are better ,safer ways of doing this project.
    http://www.nepp.ie/wordpress/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭Avns1s


    jonny d wrote: »
    A link here makes some points.
    http://www.abermulewales.co.uk/Facts_gareth_thomas.pdf

    At the heel of the hunt there are better ,safer ways of doing this project.
    http://www.nepp.ie/wordpress/

    For me the crucial line of your link is the first line of the conclusion:

    "Whilst a scientific link between power lines and ill health has yet to be proven, ..........."

    If they put the conclusion at the beginning, I could have saved myself reading the document!

    Have you anything better?


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Avns1s wrote: »
    For me the crucial line of your link is the first line of the conclusion:

    "Whilst a scientific link between power lines and ill health has yet to be proven, ..........."

    If they put the conclusion at the beginning, I could have saved myself reading the document!

    Have you anything better?

    And when electrification came to Ireland the same line was wheeled out that it was going to cause health risks, yet to be proven.

    I would be curious to understand the "irreparable affect on livelihoods", all the landowners will be compensated I am assuming?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭Avns1s


    yop wrote: »
    And when electrification came to Ireland the same line was wheeled out that it was going to cause health risks, yet to be proven.

    I would be curious to understand the "irreparable affect on livelihoods", all the landowners will be compensated I am assuming?

    I can't remember the exact figures but landowners are pretty handsomely compensated. In fact, there are instances of war between neighbours because the decision to locate the pylon went to one neighbours land over the other. Hence my earlier post.

    The reality is that if we want to have a future for our children and their children that involves them having jobs in the region, we need the necessary infrastructure to facilitate industry locating here and creating those jobs. Why on earth do we not understand that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭mayo.mick


    yop wrote: »
    And when electrification came to Ireland the same line was wheeled out that it was going to cause health risks, yet to be proven.

    I would be curious to understand the "irreparable affect on livelihoods", all the landowners will be compensated I am assuming?

    €22000 per pylon on their land + €2000 per pylon per year "inconvieniance" or some such word.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Avns1s wrote: »
    I can't remember the exact figures but landowners are pretty handsomely compensated. In fact, there are instances of war between neighbours because the decision to locate the pylon went to one neighbours land over the other. Hence my earlier post.

    The reality is that if we want to have a future for our children and their children that involves them having jobs in the region, we need the necessary infrastructure to facilitate industry locating here and creating those jobs. Why on earth do we not understand that?
    mayo.mick wrote: »
    €22000 per pylon on their land + €2000 per pylon per year "inconvieniance" or some such word.


    Yip, I was hoping the OP would respond to this, OriginV probably has these figures since it will be running through his farm.

    Every one wants good roads, yet don't want them near their gardens, everyone wants jobs, yet won't allow pylons or any other infrastructure.

    I have sympathy of course for those who will lose their houses for the likes of the new Westport to Ballyvary road, but again these people are well compensated. But statements like "posing increased health risks and irreparably damaging the environment, heritage and livelihoods of all the communities through which the project passes" without substance are just incredible and not credible!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭Avns1s


    mayo.mick wrote: »
    €22000 per pylon on their land + €2000 per pylon per year "inconvieniance" or some such word.

    Where do I sign up? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭finisklin


    Some are suggesting that this should be laid underground.

    The practicalities and cost of this may make it difficult.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    jonny d wrote: »
    Quite a petty reply to make in all honesty.
    Meh. You post a bunch of scaremongering nonsense, expect to get called on it.
    Just google "heath risks associated with 400kv high voltage transmission line"
    and make up your own mind. I did.
    I don't need to Google it. I've been listening to the same pseudo-scientific nonsense for years. You get the same exposure to magnetic fields standing 1m from an electric kettle as you do 50m from a 400kV line, which is to say practically none.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Daisy M


    This is a different scale than the usual electricity pylons that you are used of seeing, these things are humongous and will ruin the landscape. I'm not sure if that payment scheme quoted is exact but I do know those figures are no where near the value of the land that is going to be compulsory purchased, add to that I would imagine the fields where these pylons are going will be useless to the landowners while work is taking place and I presume a certain amount if damage will occur to said land during the works.

    I am not in any way effected but I have been reading quiet a bit on this and I don't consider it a positive.
    This link shows before and after pics of how the pylons change the landscape in a different area. I'm not some bleeding heart ecowarrior but I don't want to see the landscape of county mayo destroyed.
    http://www.no-moor-pylons.co.uk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭Avns1s


    Daisy M wrote: »
    This is a different scale than the usual electricity pylons that you are used of seeing, these things are humongous and will ruin the landscape. I'm not sure if that payment scheme quoted is exact but I do know those figures are no where near the value of the land that is going to be compulsory purchased, add to that I would imagine the fields where these pylons are going will be useless to the landowners while work is taking place and I presume a certain amount if damage will occur to said land during the works.

    I am not in any way effected but I have been reading quiet a bit on this and I don't consider it a positive.
    This link shows before and after pics of how the pylons change the landscape in a different area. I'm not some bleeding heart ecowarrior but I don't want to see the landscape of county mayo destroyed.
    http://www.no-moor-pylons.co.uk

    The view of the countryside might be nice but it wont put food on the table or pay the mortgage. We need infrastructure to provide a future for our coming generations and if that means sacrificing the views of the environment then it's a necessary concession.

    Farmers would do well to clear anything much over €100 per year on each acre of land so if the figures quoted by Mick above are correct, I can't see why they wouldn't be ecstatic with the income.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Daisy M wrote: »
    This is a different scale than the usual electricity pylons that you are used of seeing, these things are humongous and will ruin the landscape. I'm not sure if that payment scheme quoted is exact but I do know those figures are no where near the value of the land that is going to be compulsory purchased, add to that I would imagine the fields where these pylons are going will be useless to the landowners while work is taking place and I presume a certain amount if damage will occur to said land during the works.

    I am not in any way effected but I have been reading quiet a bit on this and I don't consider it a positive.
    This link shows before and after pics of how the pylons change the landscape in a different area. I'm not some bleeding heart ecowarrior but I don't want to see the landscape of county mayo destroyed.
    http://www.no-moor-pylons.co.uk

    The lad will be affected for maybe a few months at most? The farmer will work the land only for 6 months of the year.
    There are many large pylons through fields all over Ireland and it hasn't stopped the farmers from using the land.

    I would prefer to have to look at pylons which provide an infrastructure to new industry and/or keep existing than watch my kids having to leave to work in Dublin at best or out of Ireland.
    No one wants the landscape ruined but there wasn't a lot of out cry when reams of holiday homes were been built in the scenic areas of Achill, Louisburgh, Bundoran etc, and from what I can these are just as ugly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭mayo.mick


    The figures I quoted are from this weeks western I think, maybe last weeks edition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Daisy M


    Right I'm not getting into a huge debate on this, I've given my opinion and at the end of the day I have no doubt eirgrid will get planning.

    I agree re the holiday homes they were a blight, but just because one blight was allowed do we keep allowing it to happen?
    The land will be worked on and will take the following year to recover so two summers gone.

    Re the comment of how much an acre of land produces, I'm not sure that someone who's not from a farming background will be able to understand, it's all about the money.
    Say in the parish next to me which will be effected greatly, during the boom their were farmers been begged to sell sites for big money but they wouldn't. Most of them have small farms and would like to expand rather than seeing it chipped away at bit by bit obviously there are some who would like to or need to sell some to make a few bob but the majority don't. Farming is something they are born into and for the ones who choose to commit to the family farm it's about a lot more than the profit it turns over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭Avns1s


    Daisy M wrote: »
    Right I'm not getting into a huge debate on this, I've given my opinion and at the end of the day I have no doubt eirgrid will get planning.

    I agree re the holiday homes they were a blight, but just because one blight was allowed do we keep allowing it to happen?
    The land will be worked on and will take the following year to recover so two summers gone.

    Re the comment of how much an acre of land produces, I'm not sure that someone who's not from a farming background will be able to understand, it's all about the money.
    Say in the parish next to me which will be effected greatly, during the boom their were farmers been begged to sell sites for big money but they wouldn't. Most of them have small farms and would like to expand rather than seeing it chipped away at bit by bit obviously there are some who would like to or need to sell some to make a few bob but the majority don't. Farming is something they are born into and for the ones who choose to commit to the family farm it's about a lot more than the profit it turns over.

    And there's the win for the farmers, they get the payment at the outset and the yearly payment AND they still have the land bar the few square meters that each leg of the pylon stands on. That's a huge difference to selling a site.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭jonny d


    I'm posting this for anyone who wants to get the full picture of what's proposed for North Mayo.

    http://www.climatechangecafe.com/the-industrialization-of-an-ancient-irish-landscape-to-meet-uk-energy-needs/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭Avns1s


    jonny d wrote: »
    I'm posting this for anyone who wants to get the full picture of what's proposed for North Mayo.

    http://www.climatechangecafe.com/the-industrialization-of-an-ancient-irish-landscape-to-meet-uk-energy-needs/

    Another dose of nostalgic sentimental waffle from an occasional visitor who wants to preserve rural North Mayo as a playground that he can visit and frolic about in, whenever he takes the notion to get his cheap Ryanair flight into Knock.

    If he had to try and squeeze a living out of what's in North Mayo, he'd quickly realise that heather, rushes, rain and bog begrudge an existence to those who live there.

    And what is wrong with producing energy for export to the UK? We produce cattle and export food (among many things but just to use these as an example) and in return for those items we get paid in money that we use to buy other things we cant produce ourselves like computers, cars and oil. Tell me again, what is wrong with that exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭finisklin


    Looks like more concerns are being registered apart from on here.

    Public meeting in Knockmore tonight amid concerns over Gridwest project

    Created on Friday, 18 October 2013 09:49

    A public meeting is being held in Knockmore this evening, to discuss the proposed GridWest project, which will see high-capacity power lines running from Moygownagh in north Mayo to Flagford near Carrick-on-Shannon.


    Eirgrid recently announced a one kilometre wide preferred route for the power lines, and information meetings are being held across the region at present to engage with landowners and local residents.


    There are concerns in Knockmore that the proposed route for the 400 kv power line runs adjacent to two schools in the area - Currabaggan National School and Lisaniska National School, which are attended by almost 300 children.


    Despite assurances by Eirgrid that the project will meet the highest international safety standards, local residents in the Knockmore area have expressed concerns in relation to health and safety issues, as well as noise pollution.


    Tonight’s meeting gets underway at 8.30 in the Knockmore Resource Centre.


    From Mid West.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 719 ✭✭✭12 element


    finisklin wrote: »

    There are concerns in Knockmore that the proposed route for the 400 kv power line runs adjacent to two schools in the area - Currabaggan National School and Lisaniska National School, which are attended by almost 300 children.

    think-of-the-children.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Dudda


    It's quotes like this posted above that annoy me

    "Whilst a scientific link between power lines and ill health has yet to be proven, ..........."

    Has anyone ever produced reliable evidence that living close to the pylons and high voltage causes a health risk? Evidence not from some hippie website thrown together claiming some questionable research or but instead from a trusted, well known reliable source.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    jonny d wrote: »
    I'm posting this for anyone who wants to get the full picture of what's proposed for North Mayo.

    http://www.climatechangecafe.com/the-industrialization-of-an-ancient-irish-landscape-to-meet-uk-energy-needs/
    How many of the photographs in that article would have pylons in them if this project were to go ahead?
    Dudda wrote: »
    Has anyone ever produced reliable evidence that living close to the pylons and high voltage causes a health risk?
    No.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭ChippingSodbury


    Avns1s wrote: »
    that heather, rushes, rain and bog begrudge an existence to those who live there.
    Nicely put!

    If there's no infrastructure, there will be no prosperity. I'm thinkng of throwing together a website promoting living close to 400kV powerlines because if you park your car underneath them, it increases its MPG. Whilst this hasn't yet been scientifically proven, it's now on the internet so it must be true. You can google it if you like...:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,604 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Noise pollution, the last i checked electricity didnt make any noise.

    Also should it be put underground , there wont be any compo as you dont own your own land past a certain depth, the government does.

    This whole shell to sea lark is going to start here.

    People forgot the jobs and money that the gas has brought to the area. The same with this project. its going to link a windfarm and windfarms creates jobs. Ballina is a jobs blackspot and this 400kv line will be within toughing distance of it.

    some of the mutinationals will be very interested in north mayo if a 400kv line is near it.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    I googled a very serious topic and I found a link to prove it.
    Someone think of the children!!!

    http://www.thescienceforum.com/new-hypotheses-ideas/12545-masturbation-will-make-you-blind-crippled.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,604 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    yop wrote: »
    I googled a very serious topic and I found a link to prove it.
    Someone think of the children!!!

    http://www.thescienceforum.com/new-hypotheses-ideas/12545-masturbation-will-make-you-blind-crippled.html

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭TopTec


    irishgeo wrote: »
    Noise pollution, the last i checked electricity didnt make any noise.

    Oh, such a naive comment. You can hear these power lines loudly buzzing from a couple of hundred metres away. I used to part time walk them in the UK checking for tree growth/obstructions etc. Now I am not saying they were responsible but I used to get some heaving headaches after spending a few hours near them.

    Once I quit doing that and moved over here my headaches now come from wondering how I am going to raise money for the house tax next year!

    TT


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    As I understand it, it is cheaper in the short term to have above ground pylons then to underground them (including maintainance). That is - cheaper in cost to the operator who does not have to pay for the landscape value lost for the foreseeable future. The operators main shareholder being the government. Odd that they are putting short term gain over imo a far better long term solution, esp as our tourist industry relies on landscape value..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭finisklin


    Looks like MM was in the eye of this storm last night and the 700 or so that showed up feel they have genuine concerns.

    From mid west.

    Large turnout at Knockmore meeting over pylon concerns

    Created on Saturday, 19 October 2013 10:44
    Emotions ran high in the village of Knockmore last night (Friday) as more than 700 people gathered to air their views on a controversial high power line that’s set to run through the area, and close to two local national schools.


    Knockmore community centre was full to capacity, and a range of concerns – from health fears to the impact on property values - were expressed.
    The meeting was called by local councillor Seamus Weir in response to details of the Eirgrid – Grid West - 1 kilometre-wide preferred corridor, which were unveiled last week.


    The 400 kv line will run from North Mayo to South Leitrim and Eirgrid says the project will guarantee security of power supply and bring jobs and industry to the region.


    Cllr Weir has also pledged to raise the issue at next Monday’s meeting of Mayo County Council, and a number of local area councillors attended last night’s event.


    Deputy Michelle Mulherin, who was the only TD able to attend the gathering, gave a number of assurances on the aims of the project in upgrading the region’s electricity supply, and on compensation packages currently being negotiated with the Irish Farmer’s Association.


    The brunt of local anger fell on the Ballina-based Fine Gael deputy however, as a number of angry speakers challenged her to plead with Taoiseach Enda Kenny to intervene and to have the line re-routed or put underground.


    There were a number of heated contributions from the floor, and a number of speakers from the Moygownagh area who will also be impacted by the line, called for communities along the route to stick together and fight the project through the planning and political processes.


    Deputy Mulherin came under fire from several of those in attendance and was heckled and challenged at various points throughout the meeting, over assurances that she was committed to the community.



    Representatives of Eirgrid were not available to attend last night’s meeting, but are holding a series of information events in venues along the route – include one in Foxford and another in Swinford next week.
    Deputies Michael Ring, John O’Mahony and Dara Calleary sent their apologies as they were unable to attend the event.


    In correspondence read out at the meeting Deputies O’Mahony and Calleary undertook to assist the Knockmore community in raising their concerns with Eirgrid.

    Eirgrid public information meetings will take place in Swinford, at the Gateway Hotel next Tuesday and at the May Fly Hotel in Foxford on Wednesday. Those run from 1 pm to 8pm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Daisy M


    Last post on this I promise;-) there are meetings as described above occurring in different areas this lasted months. The turn out is always huge, and lots of people have real concerns. Personally speaking I like to hear both sides of the story before forming an opinion. I think it's a little naive to dismiss either side or hope some compromise couldn't be reached.

    This route was originally planned to go near ballina but the council made sure that wouldn't happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭Avns1s


    Daisy M wrote: »
    Last post on this I promise;-) there are meetings as described above occurring in different areas this lasted months. The turn out is always huge, and lots of people have real concerns. Personally speaking I like to hear both sides of the story before forming an opinion. I think it's a little naive to dismiss either side or hope some compromise couldn't be reached.

    This route was originally planned to go near ballina but the council made sure that wouldn't happen.

    What evidence do you have for this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭TopTec


    finisklin wrote: »

    The 400 kv line will run from North Mayo to South Leitrim and Eirgrid says the project will guarantee security of power supply and bring jobs and industry to the region.

    Deputy Michelle Mulherin, who was the only TD able to attend the gathering, gave a number of assurances on the aims of the project in upgrading the region’s electricity supply, and on compensation packages currently being negotiated with the Irish Farmer’s Association.

    Is it only me that suspects that this is all 'spin'. It seems to fit in nicely with the impending planning applications in the same area for 400 plus wind turbines that will be generating electricity for the UK market... NOT MAYO.

    MM is a fool. Worse, she is an arrogant fool. At least the others showed a modicum of intelligence in staying away, knowing that local communities don't want this blight on their lives and were likely to vent their anger on the 'top table' She is a sycophant, a mouthpiece for the government and won't ever go against her paymasters. She got what she deserved.

    And before we get the same "it will bring jobs to the area" claims - think of the jobs that such a scheme drives away. Less tourists = less money into the area.

    If reports of the levels of compensation are correct then it must be economically viable to bury the necessary cables out of sight even with a 'disturbance' payment to land owners. I recall in the UK there were claims that it cost £1million per mile to bury the cables on a particular project and that claim was rubbished years later when examination of advice documents took place under FOIA legislation.

    Mayo is being blighted by industrial generating projects for the benefit of others and it is the local communities who are suffering. I don't believe anyone on these boards would be happy with a 400 foot metal monster 50m from their house. So those who are fighting against this scheme have my sympathy and support.

    We also owe it to our children and later generations to try to curb these environmental nightmares and at least give them the opportunities to see this County in a more natural condition.

    That's my opinion.

    TT


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Daisy M wrote: »
    ...lots of people have real concerns.
    Not if those concerns are to do with imaginary health risks.
    Personally speaking I like to hear both sides of the story before forming an opinion.
    Me too, but I tend to come down on whichever side uses logic and reason to arrive at its conclusions.
    TopTec wrote: »
    Is it only me that suspects that this is all 'spin'. It seems to fit in nicely with the impending planning applications in the same area for 400 plus wind turbines that will be generating electricity for the UK market... NOT MAYO.
    Here's the thing about a 400kV transmission line: it can't be made to only work one way. If this line is built, it's extending Eirgrid's 400kV network into Mayo, which makes its capacity available to Mayo industries in a way that it hasn't been before now.
    I don't believe anyone on these boards would be happy with a 400 foot metal monster 50m from their house.
    So if you're a nimby, everyone else must be a nimby too?
    We also owe it to our children and later generations to try to curb these environmental nightmares and at least give them the opportunities to see this County in a more natural condition.
    Electricity lines are environmental nightmares? Wow.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    MM is a fool. Worse, she is an arrogant fool. At least the others showed a modicum of intelligence in staying away, knowing that local communities don't want this blight on their lives and were likely to vent their anger on the 'top table' She is a sycophant, a mouthpiece for the government and won't ever go against her paymasters. She got what she deserved.
    Agreed, have seen here in action a few times now and she is embarrassing for an educated person.
    And before we get the same "it will bring jobs to the area" claims - think of the jobs that such a scheme drives away. Less tourists = less money into the area.
    A pylon in a field is going to drive away tourists....

    Mayo is being blighted by industrial generating projects for the benefit of others and it is the local communities who are suffering. I don't believe anyone on these boards would be happy with a 400 foot metal monster 50m from their house. So those who are fighting against this scheme have my sympathy and support.
    400ft! Seriously, the standard height of an electrical pylon is 150ft!!!

    We also owe it to our children and later generations to try to curb these environmental nightmares and at least give them the opportunities to see this County in a more natural condition.
    How is this an environmental nightmare? How are they any worse than the mobile phone masts or media masts?

    We more like owe it to our children to encourage industrial development and not leave this county to turn into a ghost town for 20-30 year olds who have left here in their 1000's over the last number of years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    yop wrote: »

    We more like owe it to our children to encourage industrial development and not leave this county to turn into a ghost town for 20-30 year olds who have left here in their 1000's over the last number of years.

    The Pylons are being installed primarily to service future wind farms in the West of the county(I have an interest in a small dry stock farm in North Mayo so have been following this story). Evidence from other parts of the country and elsewhere suggest very few permanent jobs are created in this way. Take Donegal which has more wind farms then the rest of the country put together, along with an extensive pylon infrastructure to service these areas. For all that Donegal has one of the highest(if not highest!!) youth unemployment rates in the country. Also don't forget all this has to be paid for by someone, most likely already hard pressed energy users whose bills are already on the rise thanx in part to ever growing subsidies to wind developers. Industry is looking for a reliable energy supply and the variability of wind does not offer that. If these pylons were servicing a gas or nuclear power station then you might have an arguement. There is also a strong arguement for putting at least some of this infrastruture underground, particulary in sensitive/scenic areas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 wertuoi


    Great to see so many engaging on this topic. Can anyone explain what happens to the 400kv line in the Flagford/Carrick-on-Shannon substation? Does it get powered down or is there another line coming out ?


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    wertuoi wrote: »
    Great to see so many engaging on this topic. Can anyone explain what happens to the 400kv line in the Flagford/Carrick-on-Shannon substation? Does it get powered down or is there another line coming out ?
    In the short term I'd imagine it will be stepped down to feed the existing 220kV network, but longer-term it's possible the national 400kV network will be extended to meet it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭OriginV


    Avns1s wrote: »
    Lucky you! The neighbours will have it in for you when you're getting the payments for your land being used and they're not. :)
    I think we would much rather if there was no Pylon in the middle of the field..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 wertuoi


    There is no possibility of any company in mayo, Roscommon or Leitrim accessing this power unless Eirgrid provides new substations. There are no plans to do so. Don't be lead by misguided advice that this is for the benefit of the west.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    wertuoi wrote: »
    There is no possibility of any company in mayo, Roscommon or Leitrim accessing this power unless Eirgrid provides new substations. There are no plans to do so. Don't be lead by misguided advice that this is for the benefit of the west.
    And you think that, should this line not go ahead, there will be new substations?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    wertuoi wrote: »
    There is no possibility of any company in mayo, Roscommon or Leitrim accessing this power unless Eirgrid provides new substations. There are no plans to do so. Don't be lead by misguided advice that this is for the benefit of the west.

    A connection to the regional grid is planned. The project will clearly benefit Mayo and the wider region.

    TopTec wrote: »
    And before we get the same "it will bring jobs to the area" claims - think of the jobs that such a scheme drives away. Less tourists = less money into the area.

    Are you really trying to claim a line of these "metal monster" will drive away tourists?

    TopTec wrote: »
    Mayo is being blighted by industrial generating projects for the benefit of others

    For the benefit of both Mayo and the country. Last time I checked, we're still one country.

    TopTec wrote: »
    We also owe it to our children and later generations to try to curb these environmental nightmares and at least give them the opportunities to see this County in a more natural condition.

    Yes... we owe it to our children to say no to renewable energy... err... what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭finisklin


    Mid west is in over drive and really fuelling the anti grid sentiment. I wonder if MM will address residents concerns?

    Public meeting tonight in Killasser on proposed GridWest project

    Created on Monday, 21 October 2013 11:22 A public meeting will take place this evening in Killasser Community Centre on the GridWest project.


    The meeting is for concerned residents of the Killasser area, through which the proposed high-power energy lines will run and gets underway at 8pm.
    The one-kilometre wide preferred route was announced last month, for the high-capacity power lines that will run from Moygownagh in north Mayo to Flagford in Co Roscommon, which will connect the electricity generated by renewable resources into the national grid.


    Eirgird, the company behind the project, will hold open days in the Gateway Hotel Swinford tomorrow and in the Mayfly Hotel Foxford on Wednesday running from 1-8pm on both days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Does anyone know if an independent,credible CBA was produced for this project?? The only thing I've got through the door of my address in North Mayo from eirgrid on the benefits of this project, has been some vague waffle about wind power etc. If pylons and wind turbines were the answer to a counties economic woes then the likes of Donegal would be booming by now. The reality is that Donegal is an even bigger unemployment blackspot than most of Mayo:(


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