Fancy a role as a "nail tecnician"?

ThePieintheSky

Perusing a high profile employment site for "highly technical and advanced roles" to see what's going at home at the moment and came across this. This looks a bit too advanced. :pac:

Nail Technician *** North Dublin (*****) ( ****************)

Almost intimidating. Until you read on...

Due to the expansion of this business, we now require a part time nail tecnician.

The role is part time initially, 24 hours per week minimum. The role (like others), can

develop into a full time role if that is what you are looking for, but would require the successful candidate

to be able to develop the existing client base.

You must be completely competent in acrylics and schellac and all other nail trearments. *actual spelling*

You will ideally have at least 3 years experience in working with nails.

Any other bizarre job descriptions out there? Actual ones like that one. Not makey uppy ones.

That position is there if anyone at home is interested incidentally! Maybe I helped one person find a job.:P Doing my part for the economy.

Duggy747

Jobs require 3 years experience.

Need 3 years experience to get job.

Can't get job because need 3 years experience.

Banjo String

My first day as a 'fluffer' was pretty shocking.

I decided to stick it out though.

The Big Smoke

I could really nail this job.

I'm really more of a sandwich artist.

MadsL

You seem to be dissing this job.

Training to become a nail technician takes an average of 400 hours in most US States, it also takes some years to develop more advanced nail art techniques.

A highly skilled barista takes years to develop the skills to create great coffee art. A barman could require 3 years experience to get to the right cocktail level.

You seem to think this is just painting nails/pouring drinks/making coffee.

What is your profession OP? Post it up and let us take the piss out of it.

RasTa

Probably Asian, they got that market sown up.

chopper6

If it's not IT-related people seem to like dissing jobs.

I know a girl who makes a fortune doing that sort of thing and make up for weddings etc...you need skill to establish a customer base like that.

Fr_Dougal

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

Perusing a high profile employment site for "highly technical and advanced roles" to see what's going at home at the moment and came across this. This looks a bit too advanced. :pac:



Almost intimidating. Until you read on...





Any other bizarre job descriptions out there? Actual ones like that one. Not makey uppy ones.

That position is there if anyone at home is interested incidentally! Maybe I helped one person find a job.:P Doing my part for the economy.

I think this post says more about you than it does about the job.

kowloon

There's quite a few roles in glassware manufacture due to the burgeoning demand for penis beakers.

MadsL

MadsL wrote: »

You seem to be dissing this job.

Training to become a nail technician takes an average of 400 hours in most US States, it also takes some years to develop more advanced nail art techniques.

A highly skilled barista takes years to develop the skills to create great coffee art. A barman could require 3 years experience to get to the right cocktail level.

You seem to think this is just painting nails/pouring drinks/making coffee.

What is your profession OP? Post it up and let us take the piss out of it.

Yep.

Seriously, OP, you're such a snob.

Owen_S

Diego Ashy Ignoramus wrote: »

Yep.

Seriously, OP, you're such a snob.

He may be a snob, doesn't excuse the spelling though.

princess-lala

People view this type of job as glamorous and for airheads when in fact its the total opposite!

If someone enjoys their job in IT or as a nail technician who are we to judge them!

I love my job and all the stereotypes that come with it!

ThePieintheSky

MadsL wrote: »

Training to become a nail technician takes an average of 400 hours in most US States,

"Nail tecnician". Says so in the job description.

And I am not dissing it btw. The job description is a little bizarre is all i'm saying.

And i'm not a snob. So there!

ScumLord

Do you have to supply your own hammer or is one provided?

MadsL wrote: »

Training to become a nail technician takes an average of 400 hours in most US States,

I learned how to glue things to things when I was five. :pac:

partyatmygaff

Are they not just artists who paints nails rather than canvas? If anything, they should be called nail artists like tattoo artists. There's nothing that "technical" about their job.

chopper6

ScumLord wrote: »

Do you have to supply your own hammer or is one provided?

I learned how to glue things to things when I was five. :pac:

So you could hack it as a nail technichan then? bet you'd make a fortune too,

ThePieintheSky

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

"Nail tecnician". Says so in the job description.

And I am not dissing it btw. The job description is a little bizarre is all i'm saying.

And i'm not a snob. So there!

The person who wrote it isn't very good at spelling or perhaps they're dyslexic. So what? There's nothing wrong with the content of the job description as far as I can see. Or do you think it's ridiculous to ask for 3 years experience for a nail technician job?

MadsL

RasTa wrote: »

Probably Asian, they got that market sown up.

I once asked a Vietnamese nail tech why all the nail shops in the US were Vietnamese run.

She said that following the Vietnam war, a woman in Saigon set up a nail school with the idea of providing a way that Vietnamese women could emigrate to the US with poor English skills but with a way of making money when they got there.

Since being a nail tech sucks (it is really hard on your health breathing acetone all day), many women then pursue a college education in an attempt to get out of the profession, they are naturally replaced by family/friends sponsored by Vietnamese US citizens.

ThePieintheSky

Diego Ashy Ignoramus wrote: »

Or do you think it's ridiculous to ask for 3 years experience for a nail technician job?

They are not "technicians" whatever they are.

Not saying it's an easy job but come on...


Is a cleaner a "floor technician"?

MadsL

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

"Nail tecnician". Says so in the job description.

And I am not dissing it btw.

Ahem.

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

Perusing a high profile employment site for "highly technical and advanced roles" to see what's going at home at the moment and came across this. This looks a bit too advanced. :pac:

http://i.qkme.me/3ug8p1.jpg

Dr Turk Turkelton

MadsL wrote: »

You seem to be dissing this job.

Training to become a nail technician takes an average of 400 hours in most US States, it also takes some years to develop more advanced nail art techniques.

A highly skilled barista takes years to develop the skills to create great coffee art. A barman could require 3 years experience to get to the right cocktail level.

You seem to think this is just painting nails/pouring drinks/making coffee.

What is your profession OP? Post it up and let us take the piss out of it.

How do you know what it takes to be a nail technician in the states when your location is Ireland?

Oops sorry wrong thread...

ThePieintheSky

MadsL wrote: »

Ahem.



http://i.qkme.me/3ug8p1.jpg

That is in alongside senior systems analysts, architects and geotechnical engineers on the same page! It does not belong there. Even you must concede that.

How exactly is it a technical job worthy of the "technician" tag? That is the point. Not the actual merits of the job itself.

It's a job, and a job is a job and fair play to anyone who gets up and works for a living - but what this is about is technical terms for basic jobs. This is not the only example.

MadsL

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

They are not "technicians" whatever they are.

Not saying it's an easy job but come on...


Is a cleaner a "floor technician"?

Have you any idea of the technical nature of gel and acrylic nails? You can damage someone if you get it wrong.

El Guapo!

Nothing worse than starting a thread and having it backfire monumentally.

Hard luck, OP.
Maybe you should get some training as a thread technician.

The Big Smoke

El Guapo! wrote: »

Nothing worse than starting a thread and having it backfire monumentally.

Hard luck, OP.
Maybe you should get some training as a thread technician.

A bad ass on an internet forum too Bas?

MadsL

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

That is in alongside senior systems analysts, architects and geotechnical engineers on the same page! It does not belong there. Even you must concede that.

How exactly is it a technical job worthy of the "technician" tag? That is the point. Not the actual merits of the job itself.

It's a job, and a job is a job and fair play to anyone who gets up and works for a living - but what this is about is technical terms for basic jobs. This is not the only example.

A technician is a worker in a field of technology who is proficient in the relevant skills and techniques, with a relatively practical understanding of the theoretical principles. Experienced technicians in a specific tool domain typically have intermediate understanding of theory and expert proficiency in technique. As such, technicians are generally better versed in technique compared to average laymen and even general professionals in that field of technology. For example, although audio technicians are not as learned in acoustics as acoustical engineers, they are more proficient in operating sound equipment, and they will likely know more about acoustics than other studio staff such as performers.

Technicians may be classified as either highly skilled workers or at times semi-skilled workers,

Nails have a number of technologies for which you need to know both the practice and theory in order to apply them correctly.

Hence...technician. Get over it.

kowloon

It's a Thread Artist, El Guapo. :pac:

wexie

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

That is in alongside senior systems analysts, architects and geotechnical engineers on the same page! It does not belong there. Even you must concede that.

How exactly is it a technical job worthy of the "technician" tag? That is the point. Not the actual merits of the job itself.

It's a job, and a job is a job and fair play to anyone who gets up and works for a living - but what this is about is technical terms for basic jobs. This is not the only example.

tech·ni·cian

/tɛkˈnɪʃən/ Show Spelled [tek-nish-uhn] Show IPA
noun

1. a person who is trained or skilled in the technicalities of a subject.
2. a person who is skilled in the technique of an art, as music or painting.

If there had been an ad for a senior crockery technician (dish washer) it would have shown up there as well. It's how search engines work.

MadsL

Let’s take a look at one ingredient that changes how a gel cures. That ingredient is the photoinitiator. The photoinitiator gets its name from the gel chemistry term initiator. The initiator is triggered by the activator; Ultra Violet Light Energy...

There are many factors that come into play to make high quality gels.
NSI’s gels are specifically formulated with unique combination of several types of oligomers (short pre-formed chains of monomers) which create the structure and backbone of the gel system. Other ingredients include the photoinitator, which jump starts the polymerization process, and adhesion promoters, which help the gel adhere to the natural nail.

Think if how different a recipe would be if you altered the number of eggs or cups of flour. It is the quantities of each of these ingredients and the addition of other substances that make NSI gels unique and proprietary. NSI has created the special “recipe” after numerous formulations.

Let’s take one ingredient that changes how a gel cures. That ingredient is the photoinitiator. The photoinitiator gets its name from the gel chemistry term initiator. The initiator is triggered by the activator; Ultra Violet Light Energy.

PHOTOINITIATORS
Photoinitiators (PIs) are light sensitive and decompose into free radicals to start the polymerization process. PIs absorb UV light and convert it into the energy needed to drive the polymerization process (UV curing).

PhotoInitiator


The specific combination and type of PIs used in a system greatly dictates the properties of the gel. In general, the more PIs there are in a formula, the faster the cure. This can have its own downside. High amounts of PIs can cause excessive exotherms which will heat up on the clients’ nails. This is especially uncomfortable for the clients whose nails have been damaged by excessive filing, drilling or harsh abrasives.

The thicker the gel is applied the more PIs are present in that layer and the higher the temperature of the exothermic reaction. Thick layers in pigmented gels inhibit the UV light to penetrate entirely as the energy has already been used to excite the PIs in the top layers. Thinner layers of UV gel cure more thoroughly and create less heat while curing.

Too high a concentration of PIs can translate to brittleness, service breakdown and discoloration. PI levels that are too low equal weakness, loss of adhesion, higher likelihood of allergic reaction, and under cured product.

Using the proper photoinitiators at the correct amount in a UV gel is the most difficult task facing scientists who formulate these types of products. Three of the most important factors in UV curing are:
1. Proper balance between the photo initiator and UV lamp
2. The intensity of available UV light
3. The duration of the UV exposure

Through various testing phases, the R&D department of NSI formulated the perfect level of photoinitiators for their Balance UV Gel System. The Balance Gels offer a slightly lower photoinitiator level for less heat generation (remember that direct correlation between photoinitiators and exotherms). At the same time, the levels are high enough to cure the gel in 90-120 seconds. Higher-pigmented gels, such as white and color gels, require the longer cure time of 120 seconds. Also, NSI recommends clear tips or forms and the use of a 36 Watt (four 9 Watt bulbs) lamp for optimum results.

UNDER CURING
The major cause of service breakdown with any gel system is that the gel has not sufficiently cured. One cause can be the use of an incorrect lamp for a particular system. Not all lamps are created equal and some give off more UV energy than others. The Ultra Pro Full Hand Lamp from NSI emits enough UV energy for any gel product.

Using the correct lamp is just a part of the solution. Another problem is that nail technicians don’t change their bulbs frequently. A UV Lamp will go on for several years and all you see is that the light is on. The bulbs do not necessarily burn out. However, there exists the possibility that the bulbs are NOT giving off UV. Remember, just because the light it on, doesn’t mean it is emitting UV energy. UV light energy is invisible (see the visible light spectrum below).

WaveLength

Under curing can lead to a potentially serious problem when non-reacted ingredients are left inside the enhancement. Normally, these ingredients would react and become a permanent part of the artificial nail. Non-reacted chemicals can expose the client to ingredients that can be sensitizing with overexposure. A client might complain of itchy or warm nail beds.

Again, it is important to use the UV lamp designed for your particular UV gel system, and change the bulbs every 2 – 4 months.

chopper6

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

but what this is about is technical terms for basic jobs. This is not the only example.

Who says it's a "basic job"?


Could you do it?

myshirt

kowloon wrote: »

There's quite a few roles in glassware manufacture due to the burgeoning demand for penis beakers.

Seen that on Mumsnet earlier. F#cking brilliant!

El Guapo!

kowloon wrote: »

It's a Thread Artist, El Guapo. :pac:

It's pronounced "Artiste"

urabell

I've heard bin men referred to as 'waste management and disposal technicians''

Please spare me a lecture on how much skill and training it takes to be one.

MadsL

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

Is a cleaner a "floor technician"?

Would you object to someone who uses their knowledge of harsh chemicals and acrylic finishes to remove and reapply technical floor coatings being called a floor technician?

Same job as a nail tech.

urabell

MadsL wrote: »

Let’s take a look at one ingredient that changes how a gel cures. That ingredient is the photoinitiator. The photoinitiator gets its name from the gel chemistry term initiator. The initiator is triggered by the activator; Ultra Violet Light Energy... Not complicated

There are many factors that come into play to make high quality gels.
NSI’s gels are specifically formulated with unique combination of several types of oligomers (short pre-formed chains of monomers) which create the structure and backbone of the gel system. Other ingredients include the photoinitator, which jump starts the polymerization process, and adhesion promoters, which help the gel adhere to the natural nail. Nail technicians have nothing to do with the manufacturing of the gels

Think if how different a recipe would be if you altered the number of eggs or cups of flour. It is the quantities of each of these ingredients and the addition of other substances that make NSI gels unique and proprietary. NSI has created the special “recipe” after numerous formulations. Nothing to do with the technicians

Let’s take one ingredient that changes how a gel cures. That ingredient is the photoinitiator. The photoinitiator gets its name from the gel chemistry term initiator. The initiator is triggered by the activator; Ultra Violet Light Energy.

PHOTOINITIATORS
Photoinitiators (PIs) are light sensitive and decompose into free radicals to start the polymerization process. PIs absorb UV light and convert it into the energy needed to drive the polymerization process (UV curing).

PhotoInitiator


The specific combination and type of PIs used in a system greatly dictates the properties of the gel. In general, the more PIs there are in a formula, the faster the cure. This can have its own downside. High amounts of PIs can cause excessive exotherms which will heat up on the clients’ nails. This is especially uncomfortable for the clients whose nails have been damaged by excessive filing, drilling or harsh abrasives.

The thicker the gel is applied the more PIs are present in that layer and the higher the temperature of the exothermic reaction. Thick layers in pigmented gels inhibit the UV light to penetrate entirely as the energy has already been used to excite the PIs in the top layers. Thinner layers of UV gel cure more thoroughly and create less heat while curing.

Too high a concentration of PIs can translate to brittleness, service breakdown and discoloration. PI levels that are too low equal weakness, loss of adhesion, higher likelihood of allergic reaction, and under cured product.

Using the proper photoinitiators at the correct amount in a UV gel is the most difficult task facing scientists who formulate these types of products. Three of the most important factors in UV curing are:
1. Proper balance between the photo initiator and UV lamp
2. The intensity of available UV light
3. The duration of the UV exposure

Through various testing phases, the R&D department of NSI formulated the perfect level of photoinitiators for their Balance UV Gel System. The Balance Gels offer a slightly lower photoinitiator level for less heat generation (remember that direct correlation between photoinitiators and exotherms). At the same time, the levels are high enough to cure the gel in 90-120 seconds. Higher-pigmented gels, such as white and color gels, require the longer cure time of 120 seconds. Also, NSI recommends clear tips or forms and the use of a 36 Watt (four 9 Watt bulbs) lamp for optimum results.

UNDER CURING
The major cause of service breakdown with any gel system is that the gel has not sufficiently cured. One cause can be the use of an incorrect lamp for a particular system. Not all lamps are created equal and some give off more UV energy than others. The Ultra Pro Full Hand Lamp from NSI emits enough UV energy for any gel product.

Using the correct lamp is just a part of the solution. Another problem is that nail technicians don’t change their bulbs frequently. First mention of nail techs and they're already doing something wrong despite all this training A UV Lamp will go on for several years and all you see is that the light is on. The bulbs do not necessarily burn out. However, there exists the possibility that the bulbs are NOT giving off UV. Remember, just because the light it on, doesn’t mean it is emitting UV energy. UV light energy is invisible (see the visible light spectrum below).

WaveLength

Under curing can lead to a potentially serious problem when non-reacted ingredients are left inside the enhancement. Normally, these ingredients would react and become a permanent part of the artificial nail. Non-reacted chemicals can expose the client to ingredients that can be sensitizing with overexposure. A client might complain of itchy or warm nail beds.

Again, it is important to use the UV lamp designed for your particular UV gel system, and change the bulbs every 2 – 4 months.

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ThePieintheSky

MadsL wrote: »

Have you any idea of the technical nature of gel and acrylic nails?

What's the technical nature of a nail file?

What's the technical nature of a sweeping brush?

What's the technical nature of a wheelie bin?

So any job in any area basically comes under the technical tag does it?

They clean nails, they file nails, they brush nails, they paint nails. It's not rocket science and stop trying to paint it as such (pardon the pun).

MadsL

urabell wrote: »

I've heard bin men referred to as 'waste management and disposal technicians''

Please spare me a lecture on how much skill and training it takes to be one.

What does that have to do with nail techs? Are you saying that nail techs have the same skill level and expertise??

And bin men? Dearie me.

princess-lala

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

They clean nails, they file nails, they brush nails, they paint nails. It's not rocket science and stop trying to paint it as such (pardon the pun).

It's not easy either

ThePieintheSky

El Guapo! wrote: »

Nothing worse than starting a thread and having it backfire monumentally.

Hard luck, OP.
Maybe you should get some training as a thread technician.

It hasn't backfired. The fragile, ill at ease, defenders of the peasantry all seem to hop on these things more than the sensible.

And, no, I have nothing against peasants by the way. That's tongue in cheek.

Jeez when I use to be a lurker this place seemed a good laugh. Now everyone seems serious. What gives?

The OP is not serious you know.

wexie

kowloon wrote: »

There's quite a few roles in glassware manufacture due to the burgeoning demand for penis beakers.

Couldn't help googling it

:eek:

Penis beaker.....

I thought maybe it was some kind of specialised chemistry glassware

urabell

princess-lala wrote: »

It's not easy either

Is there any job you'll admit is 'easy' then?

Miss Behaviour

I don't care what you call them, I love my nail technician! Can't afford a visit at the moment so it's Kiko Ultramarine Blue for the next few days!

wexie

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

It hasn't backfired. But I'm going to do some back pedalling just in case.

I still think AH is fun

princess-lala

urabell wrote: »

Is there any job you'll admit is 'easy' then?

I never said jobs are easy but I know for a fact doing nails isn't easy

MadsL

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

What's the technical nature of a nail file?

What's the technical nature of a sweeping brush?

What's the technical nature of a wheelie bin?

So any job in any area basically comes under the technical tag does it?

They clean nails, they file nails, they brush nails, they paint nails. It's not rocket science and stop trying to paint it as such (pardon the pun).

So you will be able to answer the following easy questions then.

When would you recommend gels over acrylics for a client, or shellac?
What types of fungus affect nail beds, what is the effective treatment and what nail treatments should be avoided?
Can you add gel over acrylics?
When gluing a tip on, what should you do if an air bubble appears?
What is the hazard of using nail bleach?
How can AIDS be transmitted in a salon?
What should you do if your client has fortified nails?

Or you could save face now and just admit you know nothing about this technical business.

urabell

MadsL wrote: »

So you will be able to answer the following easy questions then.

When would you recommend gels over acrylics for a client, or shellac?
What types of fungus affect nail beds, what is the effective treatment and what mail treatments should be avoided?
Can you add gel over acrylics?
When gluing a tip on, what should you do if an air bubble appears?
What is the hazard of using nail bleach?
How can AIDS be transmitted in a salon?
What should you do if your client has fortified nails?

Nobody is saying it's innate knowledge, but I'm sure it all becomes very clear after a PLC in the local further education institute

anncoates

"ThePieintheSky wrote:

Doing my part for the economy.

You're certainly doing your bit to single-handedly keep the supercilious tripe economy afloat.

ThePieintheSky

MadsL wrote: »

So you will be able to answer the following easy questions then.

When would you recommend gels over acrylics for a client, or shellac?
What types of fungus affect nail beds, what is the effective treatment and what nail treatments should be avoided?
Can you add gel over acrylics?
When gluing a tip on, what should you do if an air bubble appears?
What is the hazard of using nail bleach?
How can AIDS be transmitted in a salon?
What should you do if your client has fortified nails?

Or you could save face now and just admit you know nothing about this technical business.

You should stop making it sound like a top job. Lemmings could answer all of your questions.

I'm not going for the job. But I will pass you the link if you like and you can apply for this highly technical, highly demanding, highly rewarding engineering role.

MadsL

urabell wrote: »

Nobody is saying it's innate knowledge, but I'm sure it all becomes very clear after a PLC in the local further education institute

I'm sure it does. Once you qualify as a technician.

Sure, all radiographers do is take photographs.

AndonHandon

MadsL wrote: »

So you will be able to answer the following easy questions then.

When would you recommend gels over acrylics for a client, or shellac?
What types of fungus affect nail beds, what is the effective treatment and what nail treatments should be avoided?
Can you add gel over acrylics?
When gluing a tip on, what should you do if an air bubble appears?
What is the hazard of using nail bleach?
How can AIDS be transmitted in a salon?
What should you do if your client has fortified nails?

Or you could save face now and just admit you know nothing about this technical business.

That is an extremely serious question. It applies not just to HIV but hepatitis also. Nail-filing tools could have a teeny bit of blood on them and cut you; bing bang wollop you have aids.