Oct 22 - Apple iPad event

Sad Professor

http://allthingsd.com/20131008/apple-will-hold-fall-ipad-event-on-october-22/

No official announcement yet but AllThingsD are usually pretty reliable.

Edit: Jim Dalrymple has confirmed it.

DubDJ

Sad Professor wrote: »

http://allthingsd.com/20131008/apple-will-hold-fall-ipad-event-on-october-22/

No official announcement yet but AllThingsD are usually pretty reliable.

Was originally suppose to be October 15th no? I think it was a reputable source for that too. I was expecting to see invitations had been sent out today.

Dman001

Sad Professor wrote: »

http://allthingsd.com/20131008/apple-will-hold-fall-ipad-event-on-october-22/

No official announcement yet but AllThingsD are usually pretty reliable.

Have to say, I really like the redesigned 9" iPad judging by the leaks. A physically smaller and lighter device, with the same size screen (and assume battery) will be a nice addition.

Hoping the Apple TV will have a significant focus during the event. With the increase in the Apps available for it, along with new competition from Google with Chromecast, I think its time enough to take it out of "hobby" stage.

Sad Professor

DubDJ wrote: »

Was originally suppose to be October 15th no? I think it was a reputable source for that too. I was expecting to see invitations had been sent out today.

I don't recall seeing any source for the Oct 15 rumour. I think it was just speculation based on the fact that we knew it was happening in October, most likely on a Tuesday. With the recently announced Q4 earnings call on the 28th, the 22nd was a more likely date anyway.

Zcott

More excited about this than the 5S.

Creamy Goodness

Dman001 wrote: »

Hoping the Apple TV will have a significant focus during the event. With the increase in the Apps available for it, along with new competition from Google with Chromecast, I think its time enough to take it out of "hobby" stage.

Chromecast is terrible compared to appleTV.

Sad Professor

The ATV may see a small refresh, but I think Apple will be saving any major announcments for a dedicated TV event next year or whenever it's ready.

Creamy Goodness

I don't think it will see a refresh at all.

as you say they're saving the elusive 'apple tv' for its own event. what else can they do to the hockey puck? it's already at 1080p (which majority of people have now). Don't see the point of them going to 4k just yet which is the only thing that could warrant a small refresh.

the current box is more than capable of running iOS apps too so unless they limit that to a new refreshed box then possible.

who knows though it is apple after all, somewhat predictable, always delight.

Blazer

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

I don't think it will see a refresh at all.

as you say they're saving the elusive 'apple tv' for its own event. what else can they do to the hockey puck? it's already at 1080p (which majority of people have now). Don't see the point of them going to 4k just yet which is the only thing that could warrant a small refresh.

the current box is more than capable of running iOS apps too so unless they limit that to a new refreshed box then possible.

who knows though it is apple after all, somewhat predictable, always delight.

they could make it a proper dnla client so I don't have to use the crappy native client on my samsung tv..
That would really make my day.

Dman001

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

Chromecast is terrible compared to appleTV.

For a Beta product, priced at $35, it's actually quite a decent device. The fact it supports Android, iOS, Windows and Mac, along with the accessibility of the SDK by 3rd Party developers, it can potentially hit the Apple TV and Roku hard, given its tiny price also.

As for the Apple TV, the hardware is fine and wouldn't expect anything more, maybe throw in one of those A7 chips. It's the software I would like to see improved, and opened up to developers.

Creamy Goodness

Blazer

^^ ever heard of resizing?

Creamy Goodness

Blazer wrote: »

^^ ever heard of resizing?

Looks fine on my 27" iMac

Dman001

Not sure what you're getting at Creamy Goodness. While it may only appeal to the Nerd fanbase at the moment, it has huge potential to be a strong product. Would like to hear your thoughts on it, other than the fact it is "terrible".

dloob

I wonder will the mini get a retina screen?
Having an ipad 2 and a nexus 7 I must say that the mini really seems to have hit a sweet spot in screen size.
Maybe I'm just used to the aspect ration of the ipad 2 but the nexus 7 feels too narrow anytime I use it.

Creamy Goodness

Dman001 wrote: »

Not sure what you're getting at Creamy Goodness. While it may only appeal to the Nerd fanbase at the moment, it has huge potential to be a strong product. Would like to hear your thoughts on it, other than the fact it is "terrible".

I can't buy one here yet, google hardware is difficult to buy here unless you use uk address etc and sell your first unborn child.

The chrome cast site leads you to believe its just this little dongle and they negate the fact that you need a giant plug for it (well aware you can power from USB but my full hd TV doesn't have USB on the back).

It's a decent little dongle I'll give it that, but sucks that I can't easily get my hands on one let alone the joe soap public.

Any who's back on topic. I'll buy buying one of these new iPads. Which one will come down to have good the mini is.

Dman001

While Amazon have started shipping the device internationally, there is nothing to say that Google won't sell these through the likes of PC World and Argos - a la the Nexus 7 and Chromebooks. But given the harsh availability of the Nexus 4, it's a fair argument though.

As for the power supply, meh at the end of the day the Apple TV is still a physically bigger device that requires a plug. Don't see why it would be an issue with the Chromecast.

On topic, I wouldn't be overly surprised if the supply issues were true with the iPad Mini, and they'll be no Retina Mini this year. But it'll be awesome to see the Mini run iOS7 on a high res screen, think it'll be much neater and cleaner looking than the regular iPad's serving.

Creamy Goodness

Dman001 wrote: »

While Amazon have started shipping the device internationally, there is nothing to say that Google won't sell these through the likes of PC World and Argos - a la the Nexus 7 and Chromebooks. But given the harsh availability of the Nexus 4, it's a fair argument though.

Chromecast was announced in July, it's now October and can't be gotten over here. Google suck at selling their best stuff, like the nexus as you've said.

Dman001 wrote: »

As for the power supply, meh at the end of the day the Apple TV is still a physically bigger device that requires a plug. Don't see why it would be an issue with the Chromecast.

yes but the appletv does so much more, itunes rental, watch my movies in the cloud, airplay my mac, listen to my music in the cloud, crunchyroll, podcasts, apple events, sky news etc. etc.

also apple doesn't hide the fact that this thing lives under your tv, google advertise the chrome cast as something you just plug into a hdmi port. it's sort of misleading. that's the problem i have with it more than 'it has a power plug'.

Dman001 wrote: »

On topic, I wouldn't be overly surprised if the supply issues were true with the iPad Mini, and they'll be no Retina Mini this year. But it'll be awesome to see the Mini run iOS7 on a high res screen, think it'll be much neater and cleaner looking than the regular iPad's serving.

I really think the iPad mini has to go out with a retina this year, it was a shock when it didn't have one last year, and now with the new nexus 7 actually being sold (and in irish retailers to boot :pac:) the need for retina is really apparent.

Dman001

Apple's huge ecosystem is a massive selling point for the Apple TV, something they have over Chromecast and why I'm tempted to buy one. Between my Irish and US account, I've invested quite a bit in content from iTunes. The fact all my purchases tie in so neatly and is fed to the Apple TV so easily is a major plus. But the Chromecast can pull content to the TV from the Chrome browser, which in itself can be much more useful in some ways. There are merits to both devices, why I think Apple may have a battle on its hands.

I really think, to be honest, Apple didn't even bother to source Retina screens for their iPad Mini last year - it was always a feature that would have been added down the line. They knew they had a nifty device last year, with a solid pricing structure, with or without the Retina display people were going to nab the Mini during the Christmas period. I'm one of those who sees the screen resolution as a major upgrade factor, so if I did purchase a Mini last year, I would jump at the chance to upgrade to higher res device.

Dudda

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

I can't buy one here yet, google hardware is difficult to buy here unless you use uk address etc and sell your first unborn child.

The chrome cast site leads you to believe its just this little dongle and they negate the fact that you need a giant plug for it (well aware you can power from USB but my full hd TV doesn't have USB on the back).

It's a decent little dongle I'll give it that, but sucks that I can't easily get my hands on one let alone the joe soap public.

I ordered two Chromecast devices for 76 euro (38 each) on Amazon.com yesterday shipping to Ireland and ordered from Amazon not some third party reseller.

As for the power if your TV has HDMI 1.4 (which all new TV's have) then it powers itself. If you have HDMI 1.3 or an older TV then you need the plug.

On topic
I was disappointed last year with the iPad mini screen so got a Nexus 7. Lost that on holidays about 2 weeks ago so this timing is good.

DuckSlice

Blazer wrote: »

they could make it a proper dnla client so I don't have to use the crappy native client on my samsung tv..
That would really make my day.

Do you mean like samsung connectivity to wifi? im currently working my way through breaking bad and the quality on my samsung tv using netflix can be very poor at times and when i check something on my phone goes very slow, but when i watch it on PS3 i get 720p all day long.

Anyway,
i would say expect a ipad mini with retina display plus upgraded chip and all the usual stuff the upgrade and probably fingerprint rec. Also probably a new ipad, its near enough a year since the last one came out so its right on time for a new one.

Zcott

New full sized iPad will likely adopt the same sort of format as the iPad mini with the skinny bezel. Looking forward to picking that up.

*warms up credit card*

Herrick

Zcott wrote: »

New full sized iPad will likely adopt the same sort of format as the iPad mini with the skinny bezel. Looking forward to picking that up.

*warms up credit card*

I was looking at the mini originally but liked the extra screen space on the normal ipad, the only thing that put me off was its weight.

But the fact the ipad 5 will hopefully be lighter and more nimble along with the skinny bezel means I will be going for that, can't wait!

Sad Professor

I have a feeling the Mini will disappoint. Underpowered with a Retina screen, or a price increase with potential heat/weight issues.

Zcott

Herrick wrote: »

I was looking at the mini originally but liked the extra screen space on the normal ipad, the only thing that put me off was its weight.

But the fact the ipad 5 will hopefully be lighter and more nimble along with the skinny bezel means I will be going for that, can't wait!

Even the full size iPad isn't exactly heavy...;-)

Herrick

Zcott wrote: »

Even the full size iPad isn't exactly heavy...;-)

I know but it weighs after a bit of reading for me Lighter the better

Creamy Goodness

Sad Professor wrote: »

I have a feeling the Mini will disappoint. Underpowered with a Retina screen, or a price increase with potential heat/weight issues.

The iPad 4 was a rush out the door job as they realised they ****ed up big time with the iPad 3. Surely I'd hope apple will have learned their lesson

Zcott wrote: »

Even the full size iPad isn't exactly heavy...;-)

Try reading in bed with the iPad 3 or 4 for more than 10 minutes . Compared to the iPad 2 the iPad 3 feels like a sack of spuds.

Zcott

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

The iPad 4 was a rush out the door job as they realised they ****ed up big time with the iPad 3. Surely I'd hope apple will have learned their lesson


Try reading in bed with the iPad 3 or 4 for more than 10 minutes . Compared to the iPad 2 the iPad 3 feels like a sack of spuds.

You're holding it wrong ;-)

FourFourRED

Sold my iPad 3 last week ahead of the new iPad Mini which I expect will come with a Retina Display, Touch ID & the A7 chip but I am also worried that the £269 (UK site) price tag might take a jump to £309.

Sad Professor

It's extremely unlikely the Mini will have Touch ID and the A7. We'll be doing well with the A6 and a Retina screen without the battery life dropping to nothing.

FourFourRED

Sad Professor wrote: »

It's extremely unlikely the Mini will have Touch ID and the A7. We'll be doing well with the A6 and a Retina screen without the battery life dropping to nothing.

There should be an option to have a premium iPad mini for more money.

Zcott

Aodhagan wrote: »

There should be an option to have a premium iPad mini for more money.

Unfortunately, a retina iPad mini would have very poor battery life. That's the whole issue behind the will-they-won't-they over the retina mini, and it'd hardly be a premium device if it got 4 hours battery.

mdwexford

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

The iPad 4 was a rush out the door job as they realised they ****ed up big time with the iPad 3.

How?

FourFourRED

Zcott wrote: »

Unfortunately, a retina iPad mini would have very poor battery life. That's the whole issue behind the will-they-won't-they over the retina mini, and it'd hardly be a premium device if it got 4 hours battery.

The Mini 2 is going to be retina though. It was the biggest (if only) complaint about the original Mini. Apple would have a tough time selling the same thing with an updated processor with the same screen when the competitor has a HD display now.

Sad Professor

It's Retina or bust. I think Apple know this. The question is whether they were planning for Retina when they designed and priced the original Mini. If not then those extra pixels will come at a price.

Dman001

Sad Professor wrote: »

It's Retina or bust. I think Apple know this. The question is whether they were planning for Retina when they designed and priced the original Mini. If not then those extra pixels will come at a price.

I reckon it was, Screen Resolution was a major focal point in Tablets when the Mini was released. I'm sure Apple realised that a Retina display was a natural progression for the product, sooner rather than later.

Saying that, I wouldn't be overly surprised with a minimal upgrade this year with a bump with the CPU and possibly a new colour thrown into the mix.

Regarding the iPad 3rd Gen, I wasn't aware that Apple had f**ked it up?? Been using one the last 10 months without a single issue. I've used a 2nd Gen and 4th Gen iPad with no dramatic difference. I see the iPad 3 as being a Retina version of the iPad 2 really.

Creamy Goodness

mdwexford wrote: »

How?

it's heavier and bulkier to compensate for the power drain of the retina screen. the screen technology is also now out of date and the one in the iPad3 actually draws more power.

also this may be an issue with iOS 7 but it runs like an ass pulling a cart up a 90 degree incline.

this shouldn't be the case with a device that's 14 months old.

also if they didn't **** it up why did they completely replace it's internals 6 months after release?

DubDJ

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

it's heavier and bulkier to compensate for the power drain of the retina screen. the screen technology is also now out of date and the one in the iPad3 actually draws more power.

also this may be an issue with iOS 7 but it runs like an ass pulling a cart up a 90 degree incline.

this shouldn't be the case with a device that's 14 months old.

also if they didn't **** it up why did they completely replace it's internals 6 months after release?

Come on now there's not that much of a weight difference. I use mine with ease, also for night time reading and I don't find it too heavy. I also have a rear shell case and Smart Cover on it.

Also, I've mine since launch day and have iOS 7 since release and it's running perfectly, just as good as my iPhone 5. A little slower opening apps, by about quarter of a second or so.

I've typed this post out with it and have no keyboard delay or any difficulty. It runs a lot of huge games which are heavy on graphics with ease too.

Only negative thing I can really say about it is the fact it takes so long to charge. Also I'd love to have the lightning connector on it now, it's so much more secure for keeping the cable attached compared to the 30 pin connector.

Dman001

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

it's heavier and bulkier to compensate for the power drain of the retina screen. the screen technology is also now out of date and the one in the iPad3 actually draws more power.

also this may be an issue with iOS 7 but it runs like an ass pulling a cart up a 90 degree incline.

this shouldn't be the case with a device that's 14 months old.

also if they didn't **** it up why did they completely replace it's internals 6 months after release?

Can't say I noticed a huge difference in weight between the 2 and the 3, but it certainly isn't a light device. You'll feel it in your hand after a while of reading. Never knew about the screen however.

I find iOS7 buggy alright but no more so than the iPad 4. Comparing the two devices, I found the bugs and lag in the same places.

I myself thought they released the iPad 4 so soon to push the adoption of the Lightning, for the holiday sales. I haven't noticed any problems with the device to warrant such a quick update.

Blazer

also wasn't the gpu too underpowered for the display?

Colonel Panic

I've got hands on experience with a Chromecast. It's not the same as an AppleTV really in that it doesn't have support for local content beyond streaming a Chrome tab to it. That said, it does a great job of being instructed to play content from Google Play, Netflix et al.

My iPad's Netflix app even picked it up and let me cast a movie to it.

One thing to note is that the latest AppleTV update does something similar to spare device battery. If you play iTunes content from an iPad, it'll stream from iCloud instead. I also vaguely remember seeing that the Netflix app will do the same thing in their release notes.

mdwexford

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

it's heavier and bulkier to compensate for the power drain of the retina screen. the screen technology is also now out of date and the one in the iPad3 actually draws more power.

also this may be an issue with iOS 7 but it runs like an ass pulling a cart up a 90 degree incline.

this shouldn't be the case with a device that's 14 months old.

also if they didn't **** it up why did they completely replace it's internals 6 months after release?

The iPad 4 is heavier than the iPad 3.
Is the screen not the same in both?

Mine runs perfecly smooth on ios 7.

To have all their products using lightning cables?

Zingabee

I'm hoping to buy an ipad in the not too distant future and I'm basically wondering if the price of iPads currently in the market will drop if a new ipad is launched. Regardless of what comes on stream on October 22nd I'll be buying the same ipad just want to know will it work out cheaper ????

Zcott

They'll discontinue the iPad 4 and there'll be a lot of them on the market, so you should be able to pick up one for fairly cheap.

alastair

Never mind the iPads. What's the new Mac Pro gonna cost me?

Zcott

alastair wrote: »

Never mind the iPads. What's the new Mac Pro gonna cost me?

Everything you have and some more.

Creamy Goodness

mdwexford wrote: »

The iPad 4 is heavier than the iPad 3.
Is the screen not the same in both?

they're the same weight according to apple anyways.

http://www.apple.com/ie/ipad/specs/ (iPad 4)
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP647 (iPad 3).

as for are they the same screens, answer is nope. check point 5 http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad+4+Wi-Fi+Teardown/11462/1 iPad 3 - samsung, iPad 4 LG. Whilst they may be the same resolution and physical size that's where the similarities end.

mdwexford wrote: »

Mine runs perfectly smooth on ios 7.

you must be one of the lucky ones, my struggles when doing the simplest of tasks like playing a non-taxing game.

mdwexford wrote: »

To have all their products using lightning cables?

iPhone 4S still uses the 30pin.

Sad Professor

9to5Mac: New Mini Could be Thicker to Fit Retina Display

Pretty much as expected. I can live with an extra 0.3mm. I’m more concerned about the weight, heat and battery life implications. With the iPad 5 going lighter, thinner, narrower and with possibly improved battery life, I don’t think the Mini will be quite as appealing as it was.

banquo

alastair wrote: »

Never mind the iPads. What's the new Mac Pro gonna cost me?

You're probably going to need to make a deal with Satan.

alastair

banquo wrote: »

You're probably going to need to make a deal with Satan.

I've already done that - the proceeds are ready and waiting.

Zcott

alastair wrote: »

I've already done that - the proceeds are ready and waiting.

You'll probably need one of each limb too.

I think the rumours are for around $5000.