Budget time again ...

Chippy01

Over previous years, there would be threads speculating how we are going to be hit motor tax wise, in the upcoming budget.
So far, I have heard and seen nothing on any forums.
The question has to be asked; has anyone heard from a friend of a buddy of thier girlfriends' sister, who works in the pub which is frequented by those who rub shoulders with those that make decisions (sometimes) about what's happening?
Enquiring minds, and all that, y'know ........

YbFocus

Let's run with no news is good news and believe that

jimgoose

They're going to completely scrap that ridiculous CO2 setup as well as the old displacement-based rates and fire 20c on the litre of fuel. And then I woke up!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

flat rate of €600 per car and €450 per commercial?

YbFocus

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

flat rate of €600 per car and €450 per commercial?

Oh wow I wish

djimi

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

flat rate of €600 per car and €450 per commercial?

Id be happy with this; save me a few quid each year :pac:

Faith+1

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

flat rate of €600 per car and €450 per commercial?

F*ck no! Yes, I drive a 1.3l.

YbFocus

Faith+1 wrote: »

F*ck no! Yes, I drive a 1.3l.

Yes it would save me €900!

djimi

Ironically charging a flat rate of €600 for all cars would probably be a fairer system than we currently have...

Cleveland Hot Pocket

YbFocus wrote: »

Yes it would save me €900!

On my car it would save me approx €900 too, on the truck it would be an increase of about €120 so still saving me money in total.

Not suggesting it for that reason, just that it removes the inequity in the current system

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Straight up grade to some climate hammering engine if a flat rate was introduced.

Dermo123

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

flat rate of €600 per car and €450 per commercial?

Do you know what, when all else fails, a blunt instrument is just what the doctor ordered. I like that one.

Sheldons Brain

Ironically charging a flat rate of €600 for all cars would probably be a fairer system than we currently have...

Perhaps they'll also charge a flat rate of income tax of €20000 per skull, much easier to administer.

Wheres My ForkandKnife

I heard the tax on Vaseline is staying the same.

djimi

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

Perhaps they'll also charge a flat rate of income tax of €20000 per skull, much easier to administer.

Just in case it wasnt clear from my post, Im not suggesting that I would want to see such a system implemented, but it was more a comment on how ridiculous and what an absolute mess the current system is that a flat rate to the tune of €600 tax for cars would be fairer overall.

Taylor365

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Straight up grade to some climate hammering engine if a flat rate was introduced.

If you could manage the bi-weekly trip to the petrol station of at least €70 a pop.

TestTransmission

Realistically motor tax rates will go up across the board along with the cost of diesel and petrol

Eugene Yes

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

flat rate of €600 per car and €450 per commercial?

That would be the fairest system. Current two system nonsense is ludicrous. The big engined stuff are already getting hammered for their fuel devouring ways through taxes on the fuel without getting hit on the double. This climate saving card being played is just a distraction to the fact it is just a tax on using your car. The CO2 produced in building a hybrid / elec car alone would take 2 lifetimes driving an internal combustion engine to produce the same amount. And that is assuming your elec car is driven entirely on power from renewable energy which is not the case.

The reality in my opinion is there will be a slight increase across the board again on cc system & CO2 system with low rates will get a big increase. Govt is loosing too much money on these and can't be having that.

Guy:Incognito

Id be happy if noonan could just say the year properly. Pisses me off no end to hear him droning on about increases in 2-13 and the 2-14 tax year. Why cant he just say 20-13 , 20-14 .


One of lifes little irritants that causes me big irritants

Shedite27

Two systems is nonsense, but flat rate clearly isn't the way to go.

If ya want to pay less tax, trade down

jimgoose

Shedite27 wrote: »

Two systems is nonsense, but flat rate clearly isn't the way to go.

If ya want to pay less tax, trade down

From my cold dead hands. And I emit less CO2 and assorted poison than a couple of little diesel sh!theaps that spend two hours a day stuck in traffic "commuting" or doing school runs.

PLUG71

I heard that a new tax on cycles will be introduced!
So I will buy a bike and fit a luggage carrier onto the back and claim its a commercial!

Being serious,its bound to increase!

murphyebass

Shedite27 wrote: »

Two systems is nonsense, but flat rate clearly isn't the way to go.

If ya want to pay less tax, trade down

Speaking as someone who drives a 2008 2ltr petrol Mazda 6 I obviously hate paying the 600+ a year. Cant remember the exact amount off the top of my head but it hurts... lots.

But that said theres not a hope in hell of me trading down.

Now I'm sure there are people out there that have to / had to trade down but for me I can just about get away with it financially thankfully.

I hate underpowered cars. Had a 1.4 ltr focus once and personally I found it a dangerous car to drive. If you had to overtake you had to drop gears to do so which lets be fair isnt particularly ideal.

It bugs me no end that someone with the same ltr 2008 Mazda 6 is paying less just cause they bought diesel but that said I knew this when buying the car and I dont do the milage to justify a diesel.

Anyway, to answer the OP, all motor tax will rise a certain amount. Wouldnt expect anything to rash or radical but at the same time definately wouldnt expect to see it untouched. Easy money for the goverment.

Taylor365

If my tax goes above 900 per year and petrol reaches 1.80 I'm getting a 1990 micra and a ninja Kawasaki.

Think i could fit them both in my hallway. :P

Edit: If you're gonna trade down, might as well go rock bottom.

BMJD

I'd say minimum 10% on motortax as well as at least 5c per litre on petrol and diesel. Along with some misinterpreted reference to the recent climate change report. The tax will be slipped in later in the day, not in the budget speech. Expect a "small" increase in tolls too, along with some poxy excuse that inflation has been ahead of increases to make it all ok.

And it will all be accepted too, apart from a few grumbles on forums like this, because every single time it happens, they get away with it.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

BMJD wrote: »

I'd say minimum 10% on motortax as well as at least 5c per litre on petrol and diesel. Along with some misinterpreted reference to the recent climate change report. The tax will be slipped in later in the day, not in the budget speech. Expect a "small" increase in tolls too, along with some poxy excuse that inflation has been ahead of increases to make it all ok.

And it will all be accepted too, apart from a few grumbles on forums like this, because every single time it happens, they get away with it.

Sure tolls already went up recently, no?

_Kaiser_

Shedite27 wrote: »

Two systems is nonsense, but flat rate clearly isn't the way to go.

If ya want to pay less tax, trade down

That's a very simplistic argument that doesn't take usage into account.

Most pre-2008 diesels start at 1.9 and that's what, about €600 as it is?
If you do any sort of mileage or motorway runs you need a decent engine under you, not a weedy 1.4 petrol screaming for mercy at 120 km/h - especially if it's a family sized car and you have a couple of people in it,
or which struggles when overtaking at speed.

I do a lot of long motorway runs - not a chance would I be doing them in anything less than a 2.0 TDI (or a 3.0 TDI as the case is these days).

Yes the tax is a killer, but I have a very comfortable cruiser that just eats the miles and is surprisingly economical vs my old 2.0 TDI, and has plenty of power when it's needed.

Rather than suggesting people just trade down or trade "up" to a post-08 "cheap tax" econobox, it'd be a lot better to reform the current two-tier system that not only punishes those who can't afford a newer car with tax, but again when they do go to change.

YbFocus

BMJD wrote: »

I'd say minimum 10% on motortax as well as at least 5c per litre on petrol and diesel.

Minimum 10%! Christ that's a huge increase!
Hope that doesn't show true.

Blazer

Shedite27 wrote: »

Two systems is nonsense, but flat rate clearly isn't the way to go.

If ya want to pay less tax, trade down

I am...going from a 5 series to a 3 series and my tax is jumping over €700 :eek:

YbFocus

Blazer wrote: »

I am...going from a 5 series to a 3 series and my tax is jumping over €700 :eek:

What's the change between engines? 5 to 3 series means nothing really.

Blazer

YbFocus wrote: »

What's the change between engines? 5 to 3 series means nothing really.

520D to a 335i

average_runner

A 200 car tax flat rate and then add the rest on to petrol and diesel.

The more you use, the more you pay

dgt

Concerned about tax? Get an old 90s car for peanuts and run it into the ground over a post 08 econobox

As for this fair tax lark what a load of arse, if it were introduced there would still be complaints. Tax on fuel still complaints. A nation of whingers need something to whinge about

If they just left the tax alone and not raise it up more, that'd be grand with me

YbFocus

Blazer wrote: »

520D to a 335i

€700 well spent annually

Faith+1

So my tax band is 358 so a 10% increase has me at roughly 393 so it'll probably be rounded up to 395. Bunch of thieving b*stards :mad:

BMJD

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Sure tolls already went up recently, no?

you think they give a flying flip about that?

YbFocus

Faith+1 wrote: »

So my tax band is 358 so a 10% increase has me at roughly 393 so it'll probably be rounded up to 395. Bunch of thieving b*stards :mad:

Mine is €1494 so it'll go to to €1645

Edit: really can't see 10% coming though, way to high!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

YbFocus wrote: »

Mine is €1494 so it'll go to to €1645

Edit: really can't see 10% coming though, way to high!

Shhhhhhhhh dont give them ideas!

YbFocus

3-4% would be my guess. That's what they should go with Not 10% that is silly

Cleveland Hot Pocket

YbFocus wrote: »

3-4% would be my guess. That's what they should go with Not 10% that is silly

*cough* put all increases on the Co2 *cough*

Galwayguy35

TestTransmission wrote: »

Realistically motor tax rates will go up across the board along with the cost of diesel and petrol

Fook that like, how high do they think they can go with it, I'm already paying €673

YbFocus

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

*cough* put all increases on the Co2 *cough*

I think that's fair or the 2899cc group or lower. Them fuc**rs get away with it the whole time :pac:

average_runner

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Fook that like, how high do they think they can go with it, I'm already paying €673

If you can afford to buy the car you can afford the tax.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Fook that like, how high do they think they can go with it, I'm already paying €673

Mine is currently 1494, so I'm guessing they can go as high as they want

Robbing barstewards!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

average_runner wrote: »

If you can afford to buy the car you can afford the tax.

Does that go up to infinity? :rolleyes:


What if the tax increases from €500 to €1000 in the term of ownership? Logic fail there.

Sobanek

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Does that go up to infinity? :rolleyes:


What if the tax increases from €500 to €1000 in the term of ownership? Logic fail there.

He'll say you should get something smaller

Galwayguy35

average_runner wrote: »

If you can afford to buy the car you can afford the tax.

I need a diesel because I do over 30 k a year, the fact is that anyone who has a pre 2008 car get hammered, and we are the people who can't afford to buy the newer models.

PLUG71

I cant understand why some people accept the cost of road tax in Ireland as being acceptable full stop!
No wonder the second hand car market and people who cant afford a 08 car are stuggling.
I wonder how we compare to other euro countries for the cost of road tax?
In my opinion the current rates are a comlete rip off especially compared to the UK.
It would not be so bad if car finance was easily obtained to purchase a low tax vehicle but its not!

Rant over

:P

Patser

Flat rate €100 or €150 per cylinder?

See how much you want a V12 then but V6 twin turbos Mmmmmm!!

average_runner

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Does that go up to infinity? :rolleyes:


What if the tax increases from €500 to €1000 in the term of ownership? Logic fail there.

Then u downgrade.

Sobanek

average_runner wrote: »

Then u downgrade.

HAHAHAHA. TOLD YA.