Any plans for an Aldi store in South Dublin close to the coast?

strandroad

Has anyone heard about any plans Aldi may have to open in South County, in the belt from Blackrock through DL to to Killiney? There doesn't seem to be any store between the N11 and the coast, the nearest one is in Sandyford which is not the worst but still a bit of a drive. I think Greystones and Terenure were the only ones mentioned recently.
Love Aldi but would love to have it closer!

annieoburns

Supposed to be one opening on the Blakes site at Stillorgan/N11 junction, a bit nearer for you!

Anyone

I thought Aldi had bought the old Iceland shop in Dun Laoghaire recently?

Larbre34

The old Iceland shop site in Dun laoghaire has been the location of an unfinished apartment development for the last 5 years.

silverharp

if they see this there is a lovely site where the glass bottle company used to be near the East link....twould be perfect and ye would hoover up all the business from the local Tesco which is rubbish

rubadub

Always thought it was weird to have 2 lidls so close (pottery road & deansgrange) and no aldi until the sandyford one opened.

strandroad

There's a Lidl in Stillorgan too... plenty of those! But a curious dearth of Aldis

Tabnabs

Larbre34 wrote: »

The old Iceland shop site in Dun laoghaire has been the location of an unfinished apartment development for the last 5 years.

OT, but I see the work has resumed on this development.

Larbre34

Tabnabs wrote: »

OT, but I see the work has resumed on this development.

Really?? Thats a 'pigs have flown' momen!. Its certainly a great location for apartment living, I wonder did NAMA have a hand in releasing capital to someone, AFAIK the original developer Tuskar ceased to exist right at the beginning of the collapse.

Either way, will be glad to see the back of that particular eyesore, from the rear on Georges Place it looks like a bomb site.

Fratton Fred

Larbre34 wrote: »

Really?? Thats a 'pigs have flown' momen!. Its certainly a great location for apartment living, I wonder did NAMA have a hand in releasing capital to someone, AFAIK the original developer Tuskar ceased to exist right at the beginning of the collapse.

Either way, will be glad to see the back of that particular eyesore, from the rear on Georges Place it looks like a bomb site.

Wasn't it the same guys that owned the site on the Dundrum bypass, the silver apartments that were condemned?

Alias G

rubadub wrote: »

Always thought it was weird to have 2 lidls so close (pottery road & deansgrange) and no aldi until the sandyford one opened.

Was stipulated in the planning permission for the deansgrange store that the second store be opened to alleviate traffic.

bdeithrick

mhge wrote: »

Has anyone heard about any plans Aldi may have to open in South County, in the belt from Blackrock through DL to to Killiney? There doesn't seem to be any store between the N11 and the coast, the nearest one is in Sandyford which is not the worst but still a bit of a drive. I think Greystones and Terenure were the only ones mentioned recently.
Love Aldi but would love to have it closer!

Greystones is open in jam 17 and bray is open on Boghall road

Hoop66

There was talk of an Aldi going in the development at the Sallynoggin roundabout, but that seems to have stalled, and with the Tesco going into park Pointe it 's unlikely they'll find any large grocery tenant for it.

ted1

bdeithrick wrote: »

Greystones is open in jam 17 and bray is open on Boghall road

both are in Wicklow, no in south dublin

strandroad

Hoop66 wrote: »

There was talk of an Aldi going in the development at the Sallynoggin roundabout, but that seems to have stalled, and with the Tesco going into park Pointe it 's unlikely they'll find any large grocery tenant for it.

That would be perfect if it happened!

bdeithrick

ted1 wrote: »

both are in Wicklow, no in south dublin

Yes they are well done. I'm very aware off that , they are the 3 most southerly ones in reach of the dart ( noting the commuter areas )

ted1

do people actually get the Dart to Aldi? the Boghall road is no where near the DART station

I can't see people form South Dublin going to Aldi in Greystones.

Mick Murdock

Is the old Iceland site the place just up from the library (opposite side) that's been idle for a few years. I had almost grown so used to it that I forgot it's been like that for so long..

There was new boarding/scaffolding erected in the last few months but don't think any progress has been made since?

annieoburns

I thought the old Blake's site at Stillorgan on the N11 was to become an Aldi? but no activity on site when last passed by.

coylemj

annieoburns wrote: »

I thought the old Blake's site at Stillorgan on the N11 was to become an Aldi? but no activity on site when last passed by.

That would almost certainly be refused PP based on traffic concerns. Getting up the hill from the Stillorgan Orchard pub is a nightmare, usually caused by a bottleneck at the top of the hill thanks to a parked delivery truck, throw in an Aldi on the old Blakes site and it would be a complete nightmare. Two ways in but only one way out = gridlock. The site is suitable for a restaurant because even when it's busy, the traffic volumes are small since most customers are there for an hour or so, a supermarket would generate far higher volumes of traffic which that area cannot cater for.

annieoburns

But there is established commercial use on the site?

ted1

coylemj wrote: »

That would almost certainly be refused PP based on traffic concerns. Getting up the hill from the Stillorgan Orchard pub is a nightmare, usually caused by a bottleneck at the top of the hill thanks to a parked delivery truck, throw in an Aldi on the old Blakes site and it would be a complete nightmare. Two ways in but only one way out = gridlock. The site is suitable for a restaurant because even when it's busy, the traffic volumes are small since most customers are there for an hour or so, a supermarket would generate far higher volumes of traffic which that area cannot cater for.

They would change the entrance, that's not an issue. There was plans for quite a large and high complex there

coylemj

annieoburns wrote: »

But there is established commercial use on the site?

I don't claim to be an expert on PP but I've seen applications in respect of commercial premises for 'change of use'. PP typically would set out what type of commercial operation is approved i.e. just because you opened a nursing home on a site doesn't mean you could change it to a supermarket without reapplying for PP.

Aard

coylemj wrote: »

That would almost certainly be refused PP based on traffic concerns. Getting up the hill from the Stillorgan Orchard pub is a nightmare, usually caused by a bottleneck at the top of the hill thanks to a parked delivery truck, throw in an Aldi on the old Blakes site and it would be a complete nightmare. Two ways in but only one way out = gridlock. The site is suitable for a restaurant because even when it's busy, the traffic volumes are small since most customers are there for an hour or so, a supermarket would generate far higher volumes of traffic which that area cannot cater for.

That's hardly sufficient reason to refuse permission. Parking spaces could just be limited by condition.

coylemj

ted1 wrote: »

They would change the entrance, that's not an issue. There was plans for quite a large and high complex there

Change the entrance to where? No way would anyone opening a premises on the Blakes site be allowed to open a new entrance onto the N11 or the hill running from the N11 up to the bowling alley. The previous owners of Blakes would have done that years ago if it was ever a runner.

coylemj

Aard wrote: »

That's hardly sufficient reason to refuse permission. Parking spaces could just be limited by condition.

'Traffic concerns' was the reason why the locals successfully objected to more than one application to redevelop Stillorgan shopping centre. If the area can't take more traffic, that is perfectly reasonable (and legally sound) grounds for denying planning permission for 'change of use' which would generate extra traffic.

EricPraline

Aard wrote: »

That's hardly sufficient reason to refuse permission. Parking spaces could just be limited by condition.

As pointed out above, it's a perfectly sound reason. Limiting parking spaces doesn't solve the problem. It would just mean that shoppers would park in the already clogged Stillorgan SC car park. If we were talking about somewhere close to the city such as Ranelagh, your suggestion might work. But the site is in a very suburban area which is unfriendly for pedestrians and often a traffic nightmare for drivers.

wowy

A quick planning search on the DLRCC website shows that the application was granted by DLRCC in September 2011.

http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D11A/0175&theTabNo=3&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1201282%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href='wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=1328293%26StartIndex=1%26SortOrder=rgndat:desc%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1201282%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E'%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E

The planner's report noted there'll be 64 car parking spaces, which is deemed to be acceptable according the Development Plan car parking standards. The max allowed would have been 76, so parking was never really going to be a problem.

The applicant (Eltissey Ltd) is related to Treasury Holdings, so the collapse of Treasury is probably what has delayed matters. John Spain & Associates were the agents for the application, and they do Aldi's work in Dublin, so 2+2=.....

wowy

coylemj wrote: »

'Traffic concerns' was the reason why the locals successfully objected to more than one application to redevelop Stillorgan shopping centre. If the area can't take more traffic, that is perfectly reasonable (and legally sound) grounds for denying planning permission for 'change of use' which would generate extra traffic.

Planning for the redevelopment of the centre was granted in 2005 and appealed to ABP who upheld the application in 2006, and a 5-year extension of the permission was granted by the Council in October 2011. Development needs to be completed by August 2016 for this permission to stay live.

http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D05A/0215/E&theTabNo=2&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1201296%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href='wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=1328309%26StartIndex=21%26SortOrder=rgndat:desc%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1201296%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E'%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E

coylemj

wowy wrote: »

Planning for the redevelopment of the centre was granted in 2005 and appealed to ABP who upheld the application in 2006, and a 5-year extension of the permission was granted by the Council in October 2011. Development needs to be completed by August 2016 for this permission to stay live.

Well it clearly isn't going to happen because Donnybrook Fair, Starbucks and most recently Mao's restaurant wouldn't have spent the money they did on their units if the whole place was going to be redeveloped.

ted1

coylemj wrote: »

Well it clearly isn't going to happen because Donnybrook Fair, Starbucks and most recently Mao's restaurant wouldn't have spent the money they did on their units if the whole place was going to be redeveloped.

You would be surprised, plenty of examples where they have redeveloped around existing units.

wowy

coylemj wrote: »

Well it clearly isn't going to happen because Donnybrook Fair, Starbucks and most recently Mao's restaurant wouldn't have spent the money they did on their units if the whole place was going to be redeveloped.

I was only pointing out that permission had in fact been granted despite you saying that locals had successfully objected to applications on the basis of traffic concerns.

I do agree that it is highly unlikely that the scheme will be developed, but that's not to do with the recent fit-outs, but more to do with over-supply of retail in Dublin region.

TBH nobody knows what sort of deals these occupiers have; Donnybrook Fair apparently were granted up to 2 years rent-free. The Mao unit has an average annual rent of €100,000 (https://www.propertypriceregister.ie/Website/npsra/PPR/npsra-ppr-com.nsf/eStampUNID/UNID-E2D74D6CD50886CF80257BD4005698C4?OpenDocument) which isn't a huge rent for a unit that size, with an ancillary take-away use. That's also before accounting for rent-free and landlord contribution for fit-out, so the net rent would in fact be a bit lower.

It's also highly probable that break clauses have been included in these leases, so these lettings shouldn't be a stumbling block if the new owners (Kennedy Wilson) decided to proceed with any development.

sarah wright

Anyone know what ever happened to the plans for an Aldi in Terenure? The site is still sitting there with no sign of anything happening.

eqwjewoiujqorj

sarah wright wrote: »

Anyone know what ever happened to the plans for an Aldi in Terenure? The site is still sitting there with no sign of anything happening.

Opens 12th December.

They had boards up last time I past by.

Millem

eqwjewoiujqorj wrote: »

Opens 12th December.

They had boards up last time I past by.

Can't wait! I now won't have to go to Nutgrove!

sarah wright

The sign on the boards just mention a security firm though. Might not be anything to do with ALDI. Lisney still have a For Sale sign up over Falks Lighting. I do hope you are right though - would be great not to have to go to Nutgrove.

mackeire

I heard there is one opening up in Sallynoggin, where white and delahunty is.
W&D are moving.

corglass

mackeire wrote: »

I heard there is one opening up in Sallynoggin, where white and delahunty is.
W&D are moving.

Folks I was just reading up on this.

It seems planning was granted (yayyyyy) but permission has now been appealed by Tesco, Dun Laoghaire Shopping Centre and Supervalu. An Bord Pleanála is due to decide on this case by 1st of April 2015.

Anyone know if ABP will accept submissions from locals who support AlDi coming here?

Aard

You can only make submissions at the original planning permission stage -- ie whenever DLR was considering it. Some big retailers just appeal all competition to the board as a matter of course, so I wouldn't be too worried about it having been appealed.

Larbre34

^ Agreed, its no different to coffee sellers appealing another coffee shop in Dalkey, it might be annoying but its a free market, Tesco and Super Valu will always try and contrive some planning related issue but its just a matter of time.

wowy

AFAIK they're appealing on a technicality. The site is zoned appropriately, but the development plan has an objective that a Local Area Plan for Sallynoggin is to be prepared. Tesco etc are appealing on the basis that permission was granted prior to the preparation of a Local Area Plan. Hard to know what ABP will decide; with the big vacant former pub site at the roundabout, ABP might decide it would be best to develop the LAP for the entire area first, rather than proceeding with piecemeal development prior to the LAP. We'll just have to wait and see.

coylemj

Aard wrote: »

Some big retailers just appeal all competition to the board as a matter of course, so I wouldn't be too worried about it having been appealed.

+1 The SuperValu guy in Deansgrange pulled out all the stops to stop the Lidl store opening across the road from him. It was even rumoured that he funded an ad hoc coalition of local residents to lodge an objection but the scheme (joint development of the site with Bank of Ireland) went ahead.

Aard

Considering that the combined observation + appeal costs €240 plus a couple of hours of consultancy, a rival's project could be delayed by several months which would give a huge advantage. It's a bit of a cynical way of doing things, but entirely understandable and to be expected in retail planning permissions.

corglass

Let's hope it goes through. The supermarket should kickstart inward development in the area

Larbre34

wowy wrote: »

AFAIK they're appealing on a technicality. The site is zoned appropriately, but the development plan has an objective that a Local Area Plan for Sallynoggin is to be prepared. Tesco etc are appealing on the basis that permission was granted prior to the preparation of a Local Area Plan. Hard to know what ABP will decide; with the big vacant former pub site at the roundabout, ABP might decide it would be best to develop the LAP for the entire area first, rather than proceeding with piecemeal development prior to the LAP. We'll just have to wait and see.

There are plenty of precedents for developments being permitted ahead of LAPs, if the LAP is so far off that the applicant would be unduly constrained by a forced delay, for instance the expansion of the Frascati Centre has been granted ahead of the final adoption of the Blackrock LAP. I know thats existing use, but the scale involved was very pertinent to an LAP

Aard

I think ABP are pragmatic when it comes to future plans - nobody can be reasonably expected to hang around until the council gets its finger out and establishes an LAP. It could be years; there's no guarantee.

corglass

Folks

Aldi has been officially granted permission by ABP on Friday at the Delahunty and White site.

Yayyy

Linky

crushproof

Good news for DL.

Mad though how every objector was a supermarket.....roll on the competition

ted1

crushproof wrote: »

Good news for DL.

Mad though how every objector was a supermarket.....roll on the competition

That's standard practice, happens in nearly every industry, even helps them negotiate rates

Kingp35

That's great news!

corglass

Anyone know how quickly the stores are usually built from time of grant of planning?