Time to stand up against the silly southern Irish gun laws?

SoulandForm · 03-10-2013 4:54pm #1

Gun control in the 26 counties is totally over the top; meanwhile gun crime from criminals is on the rise- surely now is the time for ordinary citizens to start standing up against this tyranny?

Menas · 03-10-2013 4:55pm

No

03-10-2013 4:55pm

Oh great, exactly what this country needs.

DamagedTrax · 03-10-2013 4:56pm

i agree with the concept of protecting ones self and family but i suspect the reality of looser gun control with be a disaster.

Mr_Roger_Bongos · 03-10-2013 4:56pm

YUH! MORE GUNS IS THE ANSWER!

Joker.

Good luck with this.

SV · 03-10-2013 4:56pm

No.

Gatling · 03-10-2013 4:57pm

Oh god here we go again

Men in white coats clean up in aisle 4

Men in white coats clean up in aisle 4

lahalane · 03-10-2013 4:58pm

I'm not even joking, if I had access to a gun I would murderise a significant number of people. You can't grant weapon access to idiots like me.

Augmerson · 03-10-2013 4:58pm

MORE GUNS AND MORE RED MEAT FOR EVERYBODY!

DrumSteve · 03-10-2013 4:59pm

Southern Ireland.

And here's me thinking we were the Republic of Ireland.

SoulandForm · 03-10-2013 4:59pm

Mr_Roger_Bongos wrote: »

YUH! MORE GUNS IS THE ANSWER!

Joker.

Good luck with this.

Yes- there are guns in the hands of a government under the control of an elite which has shown its inability to protect many of its citizens and has acted treasonably as far Im concerned (I thinking here of the Lisbon treaty among other things). There are guns in the hands of criminal gangs- arming the citizenry would balance up score and have them less at the mercy of those two groups.

Legend20 · 03-10-2013 4:59pm

The only 'gun laws' I want enforced are guns used on my in-laws.

djflawless · 03-10-2013 5:00pm

Whats wrong with gun control as it is???

Jimoslimos · 03-10-2013 5:01pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

Southern Ireland.

And here's me thinking we were the Republic of Ireland.

We're neither.

SoulandForm · 03-10-2013 5:01pm

djflawless wrote: »

Whats wrong with gun control as it is???

Its illegal for any normal Irish citizen to buy a serious automatic or semi-automatic weapon.

Robbo · 03-10-2013 5:02pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

Gun control in the 26 counties is totally over the top; meanwhile gun crime from criminals is on the rise- surely now is the time for ordinary citizens to start standing up against this tyranny?

I refuse to recognise the legitimacy of that video in the 26 counties due to the use of imperial units of measurement. But if you're OK with such hegemony and with normalising that kind of behaviour...

03-10-2013 5:02pm

Can we come up with a new Godwin's law, but instead of the Nazis/Hitler, it's how many posts it gets until the Government gets blamed for something/everything?

castletownman · 03-10-2013 5:02pm

More guns for some

Miniature Irish flags for others

Rowley Birkin QC · 03-10-2013 5:03pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

Gun control in the 26 counties is totally over the top;

How the hell is it over the top exactly?

I legally held a rifle and shotgun in my early 20's after going through the proper processes.

Menas · 03-10-2013 5:03pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

Its illegal for any normal Irish citizen to buy a serious automatic or semi-automatic weapon.

It is not illegal for them to buy these weapons in certain jurisdictions....but in the republic of ireland it is.

Eeden · 03-10-2013 5:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Can we come up with a new Godwin's law, but instead of the Nazis/Hitler, it's how many posts it gets until the Government gets blamed for something/everything?

Good idea! We could call it boneyarsebogman's law!

Menas · 03-10-2013 5:05pm

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

How the hell is it over the top exactly?

I legally held a rifle and shotgun in my early 20's after going through the proper processes.

But a semi automatic would make those badger culls easier?

SoulandForm · 03-10-2013 5:07pm

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

How the hell is it over the top exactly?

I legally held a rifle and shotgun in my early 20's after going through the proper processes.

Hardly serious fire power.

Especially if you belong to the urban working class. The private ownership of handguns is seriously curtailed.

We have some of the most oppressive laws in this matter in Europe.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/cp/ireland

IRLConor · 03-10-2013 5:08pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

semi-automatic weapon.

There are lots of legally held semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns in this country.

I own a rifle and while I think there are many serious issues with our licensing system allowing people to get firearms for self-defence will not solve anything.

SoulandForm · 03-10-2013 5:08pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

But a semi automatic would make those badger culls easier?

Im not interested in getting rid of gun control for reasons of sport or pest control but it curtailing tyranny and giving people a fighting chance to protect their property.

Rayne Wooney · 03-10-2013 5:10pm

Can you imagine the grand opening of the Ballyfermot Guns'r'us with a few thousand of them waiting outside for their whopper AR-15 rifles.

I'd rather avoid a day like that tbh.

Gatling · 03-10-2013 5:11pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

Im not interested in getting rid of gun control for reasons of sport or pest control but it curtailing tyranny and giving people a fighting chance to protect their property.

Ehhh newsflash don't you mean the banks and the german 's property's

MilanPan!c · 03-10-2013 5:11pm

People that think guns will protect them from guns don't pay attention to statistics.

PickledLime · 03-10-2013 5:11pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

Yes- there are guns in the hands of a government under the control of an elite which has shown its inability to protect many of its citizens and has acted treasonably as far Im concerned (I thinking here of the Lisbon treaty among other things). There are guns in the hands of criminal gangs- arming the citizenry would balance up score and have them less at the mercy of those two groups.

Generally, the criminal gangs seem to mostly shoot each other, so I'm pretty happy about myself and my neighbours not owning guns.

Fr D Maugire · 03-10-2013 5:12pm

Is it not obvious??? In countries like the US where there is looser gun control, violent crime is at a much lower level and people feel more secure in their own homes due to the fact they can own a nice semi-automatic gun. Think of all those people here in Ireland who are living in fear on a daily basis.

With people owning guns, crime will whither away as everybody fears a gun pointed at them.

bumper234 · 03-10-2013 5:13pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

Im not interested in getting rid of gun control for reasons of sport or pest control but it curtailing tyranny and giving people a fighting chance to protect their property.

You want a mini America so? Easier just to deport you to there and leave us without random massacres in the schools.

bizmark · 03-10-2013 5:13pm

Gta 5 taught me the best defence against guns is a knee high wall my house is now 95% knee high walls so have as many guns as you want i don't care

IRLConor · 03-10-2013 5:13pm

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

AR-15 rifles.

In fairness, there are already some AR-15 and similar rifles licensed in Ireland. Not a lot, but some.

humanji · 03-10-2013 5:13pm

"That board with a nail in it may have defeated us, but the humans won't stop there. They'll make bigger boards and bigger nails, and soon, they will make a board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all!"

SoulandForm · 03-10-2013 5:13pm

IRLConor wrote: »

There are lots of legally held semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns in this country.

I own a rifle and while I think there are many serious issues with our licensing system allowing people to get firearms for self-defence will not solve anything.

You have to come up with all manner of justification in order to get near a chance of getting one unless you are in the "know"- the fact is that the Free State's gun control laws are even worse the UK's (if that were possible) and effectively disarm the majority of the civilian population.

This is a class issue and its disgusting that the ULA, Sinn Fein and the Labour Party who are supposed to represent the masses are silent on it.

The_Valeyard · 03-10-2013 5:14pm

THEY TUK YUR GUUUNNNNSSSS

djflawless · 03-10-2013 5:15pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

Its illegal for any normal Irish citizen to buy a serious automatic or semi-automatic weapon.

This is where your wrong.its LEGAL to own a semi auto weapon in ireland.
I have had a semi auto shotgun and rifle in my name legally

IRLConor · 03-10-2013 5:16pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

You have to come up with all manner of justification in order to get near a chance of getting one unless you are in the "know"- the fact is that the Free State's gun control laws are even worse the UK's (if that were possible) and effectively disarm the majority of the civilian population.

This is a class issue and its disgusting that the ULA, Sinn Fein and the Labour Party who are supposed to represent the masses are silent on it.

Absolute nonsense. You have to come up with reasonable justification (why do you want a semi-auto pistol? because I compete in shooting competitions where they're used. etc.) and there are people from all economic backgrounds with legally held semi-auto firearms.

SoulandForm · 03-10-2013 5:16pm

djflawless wrote: »

This is where your wrong.its LEGAL to own a semi auto weapon in ireland.
I have had a semi auto shotgun and rifle in my name legally

I meant a serious one like an AK 47.

bizmark · 03-10-2013 5:17pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

You have to come up with all manner of justification in order to get near a chance of getting one unless you are in the "know"- the fact is that the Free State's gun control laws are even worse the UK's (if that were possible) and effectively disarm the majority of the civilian population.

This is a class issue and its disgusting that the ULA, Sinn Fein and the Labour Party who are supposed to represent the masses are silent on it.

The free state ? is this a troll

IRLConor · 03-10-2013 5:17pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

I meant a serious one like an AK 47.

AK-47 full auto? Not legal here.
AK-47 clone, semi-auto? Totally legal (but pointless) here.

Savoir.Faire · 03-10-2013 5:17pm

No, no, I have to disagree with you OP. Having licenced guns for hunting purposes, or culling badgers, is fine but I don't agree with arming the proles.

A man wouldn't feel safe anywhere if every Joe Soap was armed to the teeth with handguns and semi automatic assauly rifles.

Terrible idea and one, I hope, never sees the light of day.

SoulandForm · 03-10-2013 5:18pm

IRLConor wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. You have to come up with reasonable justification (why do you want a semi-auto pistol? because I compete in shooting competitions where they're used. etc.) and there are people from all economic backgrounds with legally held semi-auto firearms.

Do you think the authorities would accept defending my civil and religious liberty as a reasonable explanation?

Benny_Cake · 03-10-2013 5:18pm

bizmark wrote: »

Gta 5 taught me the best defence against guns is a knee high wall my house is now 95% knee high walls so have as many guns as you want i don't care

Yeah, and if the guards see you firing your weapon, just duck down an alleyway. They usually forget about gun deaths after 45 seconds or so.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 03-10-2013 5:18pm

Nothing prevents gun crime like looser gun ownership laws.

SoulandForm · 03-10-2013 5:19pm

bizmark wrote: »

The free state ? is this a troll

I dont consider the puppet regime in the 26 counties the Irish Republic but that does not a troll make.

IRLConor · 03-10-2013 5:19pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

Do you think the authorities would accept defending my civil and religious liberty as a reasonable explanation?

No, it's not a legitimate reason, either in law or in the mind of any non-crackpot.

humanji · 03-10-2013 5:21pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

Do you think the authorities would accept defending my civil and religious liberty as a reasonable explanation?

How are you going to defend your religious liberty with a gun?

SoulandForm wrote: »

I dont consider the puppet regime in the 26 counties the Irish Republic but that does not a troll make.

So you're against democracy? Probably best you don't have a gun, then. We don't need a militia of Freemen. *shudder*

bizmark · 03-10-2013 5:21pm

SoulandForm wrote: »

I dont consider the puppet regime in the 26 counties the Irish Republic but that does not a troll make.

What do you consider it then ? and why is it a "puppet regime"

made you sounds like you want to retreat to the hills and broadcast conspiracy theory's on a short wave radio surronded by fully auto wapons incase the puppet regiem stages a waco on you tbh

SoulandForm · 03-10-2013 5:22pm

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Yeah, and if the guards see you firing your weapon, just duck down an alleyway. They usually forget about gun deaths after 45 seconds or so.

There is already a massive gun crime problem in Dublin as there is in parts of the UK- the problem is that criminals have all the guns not the ordinary working person. The states with the strictest gun control laws also have the highest gun crime rates-funny that.

Gun control is forbidden by the Bible as the mod of the Christianity you might like to recall that fact.

yoyo · 03-10-2013 5:22pm

Fr D Maugire wrote: »

Is it not obvious??? In countries like the US where there is looser gun control, violent crime is at a much lower level and people feel more secure in their own homes due to the fact they can own a nice semi-automatic gun. Think of all those people here in Ireland who are living in fear on a daily basis.

I think it's the reverse tbh. Violent crime less in the US? Every single shooting in Ireland (which is mostly gangland related, so generally doesn't effect the "normal" population) is generally mentioned in the news. It only seems to be the mass shootings that are reported over there as shootings are so common. When was there ever a mass shooting ala Columbine, Sandy Hook, Aurora etc. in Ireland?
I know someone who was over in Las Vegas on holidays and witnessed a rapper being killed in a drive by shooting (yes right outside a hotel!!). What was worse was in the commotion another tourist was also killed when the taxi they were in crashed in the panic. They are not in a rush back to America as you could imagine..
Guns should be restricted to those that need them, and our gun laws are fine as it is...

Nick

Time to stand up against the silly southern Irish gun laws?

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