Employer denying one's right to vote

siltirocker

My partner is from the pale, and it is still her voting constituency.

However she lives and works currently in the wesht.

Her employer is refusing to let her take time off (probably just an hour or two) to return home to vote this Friday.

Am I correct in saying this infringes on certain rights? Or is it just me who finds this wrong?

TheBody

siltirocker wrote: »

My partner is from the pale, and it is still her voting constituency.

However she lives and works currently in the wesht.

Her employer is refusing to let her take time off (probably just an hour or two) to return home to vote this Friday.

Am I correct in saying this infringes on certain rights? Or is it just me who finds this wrong?

Why didn't your partner transfer her vote to where ye live?

lazygal

Why isn't she registered to vote where she resides most of the time?

Rovi

Polling stations will be open from 7am to 10pm:
http://www.referendum.ie/

racso1975

If she lives in the west then she should register her vote as such. Secondly she can vote from 7am to 10pm so let her do it on her own time!!!! Thirdly no her rights are not being infringed upon

She presumably had the opportunity to move her vote - why didn't she?

biko

The employer usually gives an hour off for voting.
Will your partner manage to get to the pale and back in that time?

Pro Hoc Vice

siltirocker wrote: »

My partner is from the pale, and it is still her voting constituency.

However she lives and works currently in the wesht.

Her employer is refusing to let her take time off (probably just an hour or two) to return home to vote this Friday.

Am I correct in saying this infringes on certain rights? Or is it just me who finds this wrong?

The polls are open 7am to 10pm, I would assume plenty of time to get from the West to Dublin. Assuming finish work at 5 or 6 then 4 to 5 hours to get there and Vote.

While your OH has a right to vote her employer does not have to give her time off to do so, it's why the polls are open 13 hours.

sbsquarepants

There is no right to time off for voting - that's why the polls are open for so long, to accommodate different working patterns. Your missus should be registered to vote in the west where she lives, it's her fault not her employers.

siltirocker

Thanks for the replies.

She has just moved to Galway and is returning east shortly and unfortunately it slipped her mind.

Unfortunately it is a 3hr 40 minutes drive from her place of work (Renvyle, Galway to Drogheda) so it's quite tight, seeing as she finishes at 6:15pm.

Not that any of our circumstances matter, and I'm disappointed so many highlighted our details which are irrelevant as opposed to help me out with the question that I stated at the top - I wondered if rights were being infringed. It seems they aren't.

Thank you to those who replied to my question.

biko

She was probably going to vote wrong anyway

But yeah, it's not the employers fault she's still registered in the pale.

Brego888

Is drogheda in the pale now?

biko

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pale
The Pale (An Pháil in Irish) or the English Pale (An Pháil Shasanach), was the part of Ireland that was directly under the control of the English government in the late Middle Ages. It had been reduced by the late 15th century to an area along the east coast stretching from Dalkey, south of Dublin, to the garrison town of Dundalk

For history buffs

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biko wrote: »

She was probably going to vote wrong anyway

But yeah, it's not the employers fault she's still registered in the pale.

She'd be given a second go even if she did so its ok.

Brego888

My mistake. Had always assumed it was the greater Dublin area, didn't think it stretched that far north.

siltirocker

biko wrote: »

She was probably going to vote wrong anyway

But yeah, it's not the employers fault she's still registered in the pale.

Forget I said anything about location or anything.

I was simple curious if in circumstances employers legally had to give people an hour or two off to vote.

That's all. It doesn't matter if my partner forgot to change constituencies, it doesn't matter how far away she is, and it doesn't matter if Drogheda is in the Pale or not (it is. :P )

Oh after hours.

AnonoBoy

If you're complaining about the quality of responses then you shouldn't have posted in After Hours.

If I'm forced to answer questions seriously I feel like my rights are being infringed.

siltirocker

AnonoBoy wrote: »

If you're complaining about the quality of responses then you shouldn't have posted in After Hours.

If I'm forced to answer questions seriously I feel like my rights are being infringed.

I know. I feel like an amateur. And return my stars.

racso1975

siltirocker wrote: »

Thanks for the replies.

She has just moved to Galway and is returning east shortly and unfortunately it slipped her mind.

Unfortunately it is a 3hr 40 minutes drive from her place of work (Renvyle, Galway to Drogheda) so it's quite tight, seeing as she finishes at 6:15pm.

Not that any of our circumstances matter, and I'm disappointed so many highlighted our details which are irrelevant as opposed to help me out with the question that I stated at the top - I wondered if rights were being infringed. It seems they aren't.

Thank you to those who replied to my question.

Ironic you give out about emotive responses given the thread title

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

siltirocker wrote: »

I know. I feel like an amateur. And return my stars.

So the question remains: with a 15 hour voting window, why can she not vote before or after work? Yes, it may mean getting up at 6am or returnign home at about 9, but she CAN still vote, which proves that the employer is not infrigining her rights.

Legs.Eleven

siltirocker wrote: »

Thanks for the replies.

She has just moved to Galway and is returning east shortly and unfortunately it slipped her mind.

Unfortunately it is a 3hr 40 minutes drive from her place of work (Renvyle, Galway to Drogheda) so it's quite tight, seeing as she finishes at 6:15pm.

Not that any of our circumstances matter, and I'm disappointed so many highlighted our details which are irrelevant as opposed to help me out with the question that I stated at the top - I wondered if rights were being infringed. It seems they aren't.

Thank you to those who replied to my question.

Interesting (and correct!) that you referred to Drogheda as The Pale. Usually people forget it encompassed more than just Dublin.

Edit: Just saw posts discussing it above.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

siltirocker wrote: »

My partner is from the pale, and it is still her voting constituency.

However she lives and works currently in the wesht.

Her employer is refusing to let her take time off (probably just an hour or two) to return home to vote this Friday.

Am I correct in saying this infringes on certain rights? Or is it just me who finds this wrong?

You are wrong, Your partner should be registered to vote where she lives not where she is from.
There is no onus on employers to grant time off so workers can vote, the polls are open for 12 hours or more to accommodate workers.

yop

Am afraid its you. No rights infringed. Can she star 30 mins earlier to get a headstart? Fair old trek to vote!

Dyr

Boggers are often obsessed with keeping their vote in de cohnstichuancy for some reason

martinedwards

isn't there a postal vote option in the rep?

Honey-ec

martinedwards wrote: »

isn't there a postal vote option in the rep?

Not unless you're in the military.

Annasopra

martinedwards wrote: »

isn't there a postal vote option in the rep?

Yes but you have to be working in a job that requires you to work away from home e.g. Soldier

Sir Humphrey Appleby

martinedwards wrote: »

isn't there a postal vote option in the rep?

No, afaik, except for Guards/Defence Forces/ and diplomatic staff serving away from home.
And I think some people with disabilities also get a postal vote.

AnonoBoy

Bambi wrote: »

Boggers are often obsessed with keeping their vote in de cohnstichuancy for some reason

But this example is exactly the reverse.

stimpson

AnonoBoy wrote: »

But this example is exactly the reverse.

Drogheda is hardly the big schmoke now (even if it is in the pale)

yop

stimpson wrote: »

Drogheda is hardly the big schmoke now (even if it is in the pale)

It would be a "lighter shade of pale"..

siltirocker

racso1975 wrote: »

Ironic you give out about emotive responses given the thread title

I disagree.

'Employer denying one's right to vote'

I asked - by refusing to let someone an hour or two grace due to the distance involved in travelling, is that infringing on someone's rights.

It wasn't, case closed.

I felt it was pointless having a half dozen people discussing the character's affairs, with many adding no insight on the point of the thread or addressing it.

For example. 'She should've changed her constituency'. Yea, she probably should have, that's obvious but it's not what the OP (míse) asks or discusses.

osarusan

siltirocker wrote: »

I disagree.

'Employer denying one's right to vote'

I asked by refusing to let someone an hour or two grace due to the distance involved in that infringing on someone's rights.

I honestly think that if you'd simply added a question mark to the title, the responses would have been different.

siltirocker

osarusan wrote: »

I honestly think that if you'd simply added a question mark to the title, the responses would have been different.

Very true. But I assumed by reading the question the context was clear.

YFlyer

She'll have 5 minutes to spare to save the day.

siltirocker

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So the question remains: with a 15 hour voting window, why can she not vote before or after work? Yes, it may mean getting up at 6am or returnign home at about 9, but she CAN still vote, which proves that the employer is not infrigining her rights.

Going somewhat off topic - but -

If she drives home Thursday night to Drogheda and votes at 6am and then heads to Renvyle, she will still be late for work by almost an hour.

If she finishes work at 6:15pm and heads home to vote, she'll arrive at 10pm. Which is when the polls close, (although if she flies it she could conceivably make it).

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

siltirocker wrote: »

Going somewhat off topic - but -

If she drives home Thursday night to Drogheda and votes at 6am and then heads to Renvyle, she will still be late for work by almost an hour.

If she finishes work at 6:15pm and heads home to vote, she'll arrive at 10pm. Which is when the polls close, (although if she flies it she could conceivably make it).

Fair enough: but again, it's not the emplyer's fault, as has been pointed out and as you have accepted.

siltirocker

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Fair enough: but again, it's not the emplyer's fault, as has been pointed out and as you have accepted.

Oh not at all.

I don't know why but I had it in my head that employers and colleges had to let people go home to vote if necessary.

A bit of googling reveals that was the case before. (Particularly for students and subcontracted workers) but that is why they extended the polling hours.

anncoates

siltirocker wrote: »

My partner is from the pale,

Bit lazy not bothering to change her voting address since the 17th century?

Jester252

If she really what to vote she could just pull a sickie. Cite women problems to get the boss of her back.

Dyr

anncoates wrote: »

Bit lazy not bothering to change her voting address since the 17th century?

And its at least the 1800s now up in dundalk

tin79

Why bother. Democracy sucks.

josip

Bambi wrote: »

Boggers are often obsessed with keeping their vote in de cohnstichuancy for some reason

This was me for a long time. Used to take a day off andd sit on a bus for 3 hours in each direction rather than transfer my vote to the capital where I knew nothing about the candidates.

I also take zero offence about the term in the opening line. It is accurate in my case. I always found it a warm, endearing term and cannot understand anyone who finds it in any way offensive.

OP, I don't think your partner's rights are being infringed and I hope they still make it back to vote.

anncoates

tin79 wrote: »

Why bother. Democracy sucks.

To be fair, a constitutional referendum does give you the kind of direct political say that you won't necessary get in a parliamentary election.

MugMugs

Brego888 wrote: »

My mistake. Had always assumed it was the greater Dublin area, didn't think it stretched that far north.

That's the way most Dubs think :pac:

spiderman1885

Funny, I didnt think anyone was from The Pale anymore.

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siltirocker wrote: »

Thanks for the replies.

She has just moved to Galway and is returning east shortly and unfortunately it slipped her mind.

Unfortunately it is a 3hr 40 minutes drive from her place of work (Renvyle, Galway to Drogheda) so it's quite tight, seeing as she finishes at 6:15pm.

Not that any of our circumstances matter, and I'm disappointed so many highlighted our details which are irrelevant as opposed to help me out with the question that I stated at the top - I wondered if rights were being infringed. It seems they aren't.

Thank you to those who replied to my question.

Then to answer your question: no her rights have not been infringed as her employer has no part to play in any of this. You are not entitled to time off to vote. The notion is ludicrous.

For Forks Sake

Bambi wrote: »

And its at least the 1800s now up in dundalk

That would be open to debate.

Santa Cruz

T'was worth a chance anyway. Of course if it was on a Thursday the question would hardly have arisen. Slipping away early on a Friday makes a great weekend

hansfrei

Doesn't matter OP. Poll is probly rigged anyway

Zebra3

AnonoBoy wrote: »

But this example is exactly the reverse.

How so?

Drogheda is "down the country" = boggers.