Australian Navy sends asylum seekers back

old_aussie

Tonight I'll sleep a bit sounder knowing that finally Australia has woken up , and has decided that enough is enough and is turning these queue jumpers back.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-27/navy-transfers-asylum-seekers-to-indonesia/4985674


Didn't even vote and I got what I wanted.

New Government acts very quickly(I love you Tony Abbot)

This will hopefully put an end to people smuglers.

Uriel.

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Banjo String

old_aussie wrote: »

This will hopefully put an end to people smuglers.

It won't.

Just like the 'Peru 2' won't put an end to drug smugglers.

Ush1

Are they gonna send back all the Brits and other non natives who came there illegally?

....Ah I'm only messin'!:pac:

Red Nissan

old_aussie wrote: »

Tonight I'll sleep a bit sounder knowing that finally Australia has woken up ,

Woken up? Wasn't it like three prime ministers back that ordered the navy to sink a boatload of them, not just the boat.

IvyTheTerrible

old_aussie wrote: »

Tonight I'll sleep a bit sounder knowing that finally Australia has woken up , and has decided that enough is enough and is turning these queue jumpers back.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-27/navy-transfers-asylum-seekers-to-indonesia/4985674


Didn't even vote and I got what I wanted.

New Government acts very quickly(I love you Tony Abbot)

This will hopefully put an end to people smuglers.

Didn't vote? Sure you're just the sort of citizen Oz needs!

jaykay74

I agree with the sentiment "Send boat people home".

Australia has had a problem with boat people going back hundreds of years to the detriment of the original local population.

Legs.Eleven

My sister-in-law is Australian and is of the opinion that those asylum seekers should be allowed into Australia taking into account how good the economy is and is disgusted by what happened and I agree with her 100%.


What exactly was stopping you taking in those asylum seekers? Look at the image I've linked. Pakistan, Syria, Ethiopia, Kenya, Iran and Germany have hosted the largest number of refugees. Australia doesn't even feature.

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/622363/273492.jpg

biko

Oh is it asylum o'clock already?

Savoir.Faire

It's a grim state of affairs when you risk life and limb to travel in a small boat over sea to reach a new land. And for that land to be Northern Australia. And to be sent back by some coarse, ignorant, uncultured knobend called Cooper or Bruce.

hfallada

I don't understand why most of them are called Assylum seekers when a large amount of them "flee" to get jobs and welfare in another country. Like a lot of Africans "fleeing " to Europe only to give out about not being able to work or that social welfare is too little for them. Assylum seekers should only be accepted if there is an actual risk they will be killed

General General

hfallada wrote: »

I don't understand why most of them are called Assylum seekers when a large amount of them "flee" to get jobs and welfare in another country. Like a lot of Africans "fleeing " to Europe only to give out about not being able to work or that social welfare is too little for them.

Them & the Public Sector have the world ruined.

SUNDERLANDER!

hfallada wrote: »

I don't understand why most of them are called Assylum seekers when a large amount of them "flee" to get jobs and welfare in another country. Like a lot of Africans "fleeing " to Europe only to give out about not being able to work or that social welfare is too little for them. Assylum seekers should only be accepted if there is an actual risk they will be killed

Agreed,i use to work in a asylum center,we had an iraqi whos parents owned a shop that was selling food to the americans,anyway they were getting death threats so they told the police,who replied ''every ones getting them what do you want us to do''

long story short he was working in the shop waiting for his father to let him go home,when his father didnt show up he locked the shop and went home to find his parents dead naked and covered in acid,so he sold his cousin the shop for 4000 dollars,and lived in a shipping container for 3 weeks only to end up here.

on the other hand you have obese nigerians and romanians who take a plane here under the guise of the trip being a holiday!!! :mad:

keithclancy

SUNDERLANDER! wrote: »

on the other hand you have obese nigerians and romanians who take a plane here under the guise of the trip being a holiday!!! :mad:

ROMANI are not ROMANIANS

Nigerians ... you mean black people ?

Cee-Jay-Cee

They're trying land in Australia illegally, they're not actually seeking asylum but using asylum laws to get to where they want to go. Proper order they're sent back home again. Pity the irish government wouldn't take a similar stance with all the so called asylum seekers that have landed here!

SUNDERLANDER!

keithclancy wrote: »

ROMANI are not ROMANIANS

Nigerians ... you mean black people ?

These Romani are romanian nationals with romanian passports

No i mean nigerians not blacks (how racist of you)!!! we had plenty of sudanese and the like they deserved to be here.

Anyone

Australia has just had a general election. The main concern is about the number of illegal immigrants there are.

Government sources suggest around 60,000.

Aboriginal sources say it's more like twenty two and a half million.

delthedriver

Why can't Ireland send back the unprocessed asylum seekers too?

General General

Anyone wrote: »

Australia has just had a general election. The main concern is about the number of illegal immigrants there are.

Government sources suggest around 60,000.

Aboriginal sources say it's more like twenty two and a half million.

Johnny Aboriginal's own fault that he didn't have a couple of ships to turn back the Dutch & the Brits then, isn't it?

Asylum Bin Laden

mawk

delthedriver wrote: »

Why can't Ireland send back the unprocessed asylum seekers too?

Probably a bit fairer to just process them faster and make a decision instead of the problem of having them in decision limbo

SUNDERLANDER!

delthedriver wrote: »

Why can't Ireland send back the unprocessed asylum seekers too?

Around half of them are sent back to europe,as they usually arrive in another country first and get turned down there or are in the the process of been turned down so they show up here. if we find out that they were in another european state first we send them back to that state.

they also pay a lot off with a golden handshake making aslyum seekers sign a form stating that they will never return to ireland.

BraziliaNZ

Anyone wrote: »

Aboriginal sources say it's more like twenty two and a half million.

Oooooh I see what you did there!

K-9

The tough new laws brought in by the last Government mustn't be that much of a deterrent then. Basically asylum seekers will be sent to Papua New Guinea and small Pacific island states to await a decision.

keithclancy

SUNDERLANDER! wrote: »

These Romani are romanian nationals with romanian passports

No i mean nigerians not blacks (how racist of you)!!! we had plenty of sudanese and the like they deserved to be here.

Spain has a larger population of Romani that Romania.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

delthedriver wrote: »

Why can't Ireland send back the unprocessed asylum seekers too?

Because that would be illegal under our own laws and under our International obligations

Sir Humphrey Appleby

SUNDERLANDER! wrote: »

Around half of them are sent back to europe,as they usually arrive in another country first and get turned down there or are in the the process of been turned down so they show up here. if we find out that they were in another european state first we send them back to that state.

they also pay a lot off with a golden handshake making aslyum seekers sign a form stating that they will never return to ireland.

Any sources for that? In fact that rarely if ever happens.

hansfrei

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Because that would be illegal under our own laws and under our International obligations

Shame we don't have one set of laws for some and literally no laws for others............



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Sir Humphrey Appleby

hansfrei wrote: »

Shame we don't have one set of laws for some and literally no laws for others............



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Hardly original but still applies http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/d82/ab7/097/resized/aboriginal-meme-generator-problem-with-boat-people-we-had-that-problem-too-3e0dd2.jpg

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biko wrote: »

Oh is it asylum o'clock already?

Yup, welcome to boards.ie/2006

Amirani

Australia's population is too small for an island of that size. The UN should have put Israel there instead, there's plenty of desert nobody cares about.

MadsL

Every incident like this deters me further from visiting Australia. I try to be fair to every nation, but Australians do come across as not the greatest bunch of lads.

Ush1

NiallSparky wrote: »

Australia's population is too small for an island of that size. The UN should have put Israel there instead, there's plenty of desert nobody cares about.

Sure the UN couldn't undo what the Brits had already done, Palestine was 33% Jewish at that stage.

Dr Turk Turkelton

NiallSparky wrote: »

Australia's population is too small for an island of that size. The UN should have put Israel there instead, there's plenty of desert nobody cares about.

Sure of that had of happened Israel would probably have "occupied" New Zealand by now!

seanie_c

jaykay74 wrote: »

I agree with the sentiment "Send boat people home".

Australia has had a problem with boat people going back hundreds of years to the detriment of the original local population.

Ah okay, that's alright then, just let everyone into the country.
Who cares if the country can't deal with it, shure it'll be grand.

MadsL

seanie_c wrote: »

Ah okay, that's alright then, just let everyone into the country.
Who cares if the country can't deal with it, shure it'll be grand.

Because that is the same thing, right?

SUNDERLANDER!

keithclancy wrote: »

Spain has a larger population of Romani that Romania.

That's good. :rolleyes:

seanie_c

MadsL wrote: »

Because that is the same thing, right?

So when is it acceptable to question immigration policies without being accused of xenophobia?

I realize it's politically incorrect to object even when pro-immigration policies do more harm to ordinary citizens than good.

But I get it...it's "great for the economy" all that cheap labor, doing menial jobs nobody else wants, pushing wages and standard of living down, it's fantastic (for some people)

And shure, if they don't want a menial job, welfare and baby making, is the next best thing.
Creating the future underclass.

Nodin

hfallada wrote: »

I don't understand why most of them are called Assylum seekers when a large amount of them "flee" to get jobs and welfare in another country. Like a lot of Africans "fleeing " to Europe only to give out about not being able to work or that social welfare is too little for them. Assylum seekers should only be accepted if there is an actual risk they will be killed

It is understood the passengers on the asylum vessel picked up by the Navy were from Iran, Iraq, and Pakistan.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-27/navy-transfers-asylum-seekers-to-indonesia/4985674
Yep, "fleeing" from cushy states every one of them.

MadsL

seanie_c wrote: »

So when is it acceptable to question immigration policies without being accused of xenophobia?

I realize it's politically incorrect to object even when pro-immigration policies do more harm to ordinary citizens than good.

But I get it...it's "great for the economy" all that cheap labor, doing menial jobs nobody else wants, pushing wages and standard of living down, it's fantastic (for some people)

And shure, if they don't want a menial job, welfare and baby making, is the next best thing.
Creating the future underclass.

Except....

http://www.economist.com/news/business/21576101-start-ups-founded-immigrants-are-creating-jobs-all-over-america-jobs-machine

Some 40% of Fortune 500 firms were founded by immigrants or their children.

Immigrants create jobs not an underclass.

crockholm

Nodin wrote: »

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-27/navy-transfers-asylum-seekers-to-indonesia/4985674
Yep, "fleeing" from cushy states every one of them.

Aye,and with a combined population of nearly 300 million.Sure the aussies must be fierce racists altogether to have an Immigration policy.

Nodin

crockholm wrote: »

Aye,and with a combined population of nearly 300 million.Sure the aussies must be fierce racists altogether to have an Immigration policy.

Did I say that?

diomed

old_aussie wrote: »

This will hopefully put an end to people smuglers.

Budgie smugglers still ok?

end of the road

K-9 wrote: »

The tough new laws brought in by the last Government mustn't be that much of a deterrent then. Basically asylum seekers will be sent to Papua New Guinea and small Pacific island states to await a decision.

and this new law won't be one either, if someone is desperate enough to get into whats most likely a rust bucket and risk their life to cross an ocean to somewhere where they believe they will have a better life they will do it no matter what

Galwayguy35

Most Australians are in favour of a tough stance on illegal immigration, my first cousin is Australian and he says this is what got the PM elected.

average hero

Frankly proper order. Proper bloody order. Organised boatloads of people are not looking for asylum, they are looking to get into Australia to live under the guise of asylum seeking. I wonder why they didn't stop at Papua New Guinea or Tuvalu or Micronesia.

I read recently in Ian O'Doherty's column that asylum requests to Ireland have plummeted since the onset of our financial woes. Is that because there are less people fleeing from persecution? No, plain and simple it is people not applying here anymore because of the state of the economy etc. Also, a lot of the applicants shouldn't have applied here as under international rules, you are to apply in the first country you arrive in. Ireland does not have flights or shipping routes to a lot of the countries that we accepted asylum seekers from.

Ideally, I would love if all of the countries that accept asylum seekers (including our own) had the resources and ability to accept and integrate every asylum seeker we could possibly accept but the simple fact of the matter is that the system is being abused to the high heavens which makes a mockery of the system for real seekers and affects the attitudes of the receiving countries.

The current international system is not working and tough measures like what Australia are implementing are correct. There are rules and regulations for immigration - like it or not.

I am aware that the bleeding heart liberals will have labelled me a right wing fascist but how and ever - I stand by my assertions.

We should really be thinking of the Libyans and the Syrians...not boatloads of Indonesians.

end of the road

average hero wrote: »

Frankly proper order. Proper bloody order.

no, frankly proper waste of time, proper bloody waste of time

average hero wrote: »

Organised boatloads of people are not looking for asylum, they are looking to get into Australia to live under the guise of asylum seeking.

and you have asked all those who are in these boat loads or who have been in such boat loads in the past their reasons for going to australia?

average hero wrote: »

I wonder why they didn't stop at Papua New Guinea or Tuvalu or Micronesia.

maybe if it bothers you you should ask them and see what they say?

average hero wrote: »

I read recently in Ian O'Doherty's column that asylum requests to Ireland have plummeted since the onset of our financial woes. Is that because there are less people fleeing from persecution? No, plain and simple it is people not applying here anymore because of the state of the economy etc.

of course somebodies column couldn't be deliberately miss leading to fit ones agenda?

average hero wrote: »

a lot of the applicants shouldn't have applied here as under international rules, you are to apply in the first country you arrive in. Ireland does not have flights or shipping routes to a lot of the countries that we accepted asylum seekers from.

you see this bolloxology always comes up, you or i don't know how a lot of these people actually got here, many were smuggled in and who's to say they flew in or didn't come direct on a ship? a direct shipment from some of these countries to ireland isn't impossible considering the companies we have in ireland, whatever about flights can you proove that their aren't even one-off shipments from some of these countries?

average hero wrote: »

the system is being abused to the high heavens

nobody doubts its being abused but to the high heavens? any evidence its that much?

average hero wrote: »

which makes a mockery of the system for real seekers and affects the attitudes of the receiving countries.

no, it only effects the attitudes of those who spout nonsense that they have no evidence for because they have a problem with emigration in the first place and want to get everyone on their side, yet they would expect other countries to take them in or members of their families, some of my fellow irish abuse the systems however that doesn't mean i start having a problem all my fellow irish, same with those who come to the country, only those who abuse the systems i have a problem with.

average hero wrote: »

The current international system is not working and tough measures like what Australia are implementing are correct.

their not correct at all as they work even less then the current system and in the long run will be more costly and are really only a political stunt by the new australian pm and were a promised stunt by him just to get elected

average hero wrote: »

There are rules and regulations for immigration - like it or not.

really? jesus i never knew that, i always thought you could just hop on a plane or boat and ride up anywhere, shur begorra begosh i don't like it at all.

average hero wrote: »

I am aware that the bleeding heart liberals will have labelled me a right wing fascist

oh dear, no better way to say to people "don't bother listening to what i have to say as i've nothing worth hearing" then mentioning the mythical "bleeding heart liberals"

Red Nissan

average hero wrote: »

I wonder why they didn't stop at Papua New Guinea or Tuvalu or Micronesia. .

Because they might become dinner?

Great post there btw, a credit.

I see you've attracted one of those multiquote professionals, ignore is my recommendation.

Nodin

average hero wrote: »

...............

We should really be thinking of the Libyans and the Syrians...not boatloads of Indonesians.

It always helps informed debate if people read the thread, or at least the article in the OP
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86745683&postcount=40

average hero

End of the road - you don't clearly state what your position is. Australia's citizens perceive their country to have a major issue with illegal immigration and they are taking measures against it. Yes, it may be a PR stunt, but illegal immigration is a problem all over the world, it should be regulated properly.

As I stated, I would love if every country would be able to take on immigrants and integrate them properly but I don't think currently that it can be done (global issues etc).

You have slated my opinions but haven't clearly stated your own. You state that I haven't given facts, but neither have you.

You state that many asylum seekers have come to Ireland trafficked in shipments when I would argue that most came through our airports - again international law states that you should apply for asylum in the first country you get to outside your own. You have labelled it 'bolloxology'.

I respect your opinion but heavily disagree with it and believe that your post is just trying to be the antithesis of my own.

If you do agree that Australia shouldn't do anything against these boatloads of people going to Oz, perhaps you could enlighten us as to what is just, what is fair for everyone and what is practical?

Automatically you become the bad guy once you lean anywhere from liberalism and the left. Of course everyone would love to not require to do this, but sometimes stunts like this need to be pulled.