What do you think of my diet?

Hatfry

Hi there, looking for a bit of helpful criticism of my current diet :P
Any commentary is appreciated.

I'm 25, 76kg and 5'11'. I strength train 5 days a week.

I usually eat about every 2.5 hours and thats 5 meals a day.

3 meals x 2 wild alaskan salmon fillets + 75g organic shortgrain brown rice
- 465 kcals per meal

2 meals x 1 scoop sunwarrior protein + 40g organic oats
- 300 kcals each

I also have 2 veg juices per day consisting of 4 carrots, 4 celery, half cucumber and half lemon each. Spinach juice every other day.

Nuts and fruit I have to hand and don't count and should eat more of - yesterday I had none

So I feel great and don't think I'm missing out on anything major but can anyone tell me anything I'm missing and should add in? Cheers.

Mr Jake

Hatfry wrote: »

Hi there, looking for a bit of helpful criticism of my current diet :P
Any commentary is appreciated.

I'm 25, 76kg and 5'11'. I strength train 5 days a week.

I usually eat about every 2.5 hours and thats 5 meals a day.

3 meals x 2 wild alaskan salmon fillets + 75g organic shortgrain brown rice
- 465 kcals per meal

2 meals x 1 scoop sunwarrior protein + 40g organic oats
- 300 kcals each

I also have 2 veg juices per day consisting of 4 carrots, 4 celery, half cucumber and half lemon each. Spinach juice every other day.

Nuts and fruit I have to hand and don't count and should eat more of - yesterday I had none

So I feel great and don't think I'm missing out on anything major but can anyone tell me anything I'm missing and should add in? Cheers.

Sugar levels would be dangerously low in my opinion

Hatfry

Mr Jake wrote: »

Sugar levels would be dangerously low in my opinion

In what way do you mean sugar levels? Dangerously low? Impossible. On average I have about 3 or 4 pieces of ripe fruit everyday along with the sugar in the carrots and starch from the brown rice converted into glucose I would like to think it's fairly 'sugary'. I don't eat anything that is refined like sugar or salt besides my raw protein powder which is refined pea protein. Thanks for the reply.

Bigcheeze

Missing out on variety. How can you stand eating 21 salmon and rice meals per week.

Hatfry

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Missing out on variety. How can you stand eating 21 salmon and rice meals per week.

Yes, it's hard alright but I don't eat meat other than fish and no dairy or gluten plus I just don't have the patience or money to prepare anything too complex in advance. Besides the lack of variety does this seem sustainable to you?

Mr Jake

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Missing out on variety. How can you stand eating 21 salmon and rice meals per week.

+1. Most boring diet I have ever seen. It could cause depression

Hatfry

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Missing out on variety. How can you stand eating 21 salmon and rice meals per week.

Wouldn't be able to hack it without the short grain brown rice man, it's the most delicious rice ever very moreish.

Hatfry

Mr Jake wrote: »

+1. Most boring diet I have ever seen. It could cause depression

Haha, wow. You got me.

Orla K

Choline, Vit K and sodium?

Go onto cronometer, put in your food because anybody here would be just guessing.

I've a question how long can you keep this up for? Money and interest wise, 21 Alaskan salmon fillets and organic stuff would empty the pockets quickly


I'd add in some more solid vegetables, and count the fruit and nuts I'd eat.

jlm29

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd have thought juicing all your veg would remove an awful lot of the goodness? Fibre especially. I'd say steam them, put them in your plate and chew them!

Hatfry

jlm29 wrote: »

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd have thought juicing all your veg would remove an awful lot of the goodness? Fibre especially. I'd say steam them, put them in your plate and chew them!

Cooking in any way destroys the live enzymes present in the veg or fruit and some of the nutrients, your body can absorb all of the nutrients from all of the vegetables you juice in about 15 mins. It's also used in the gerson therapy for treating and curing all sorts of degenerative diseases. Many patients suffering from advanced forms of cancer have been cured by juicing ****loads of prescribed veg recipes. Look it up its definitely better for you than eating 8-12 raw carrots + 8-12 raw celery stalks and 2 raw cucumbers a day, all I lose out on is the fibre.

Hatfry

Orla K wrote: »

Choline, Vit K and sodium?

Go onto cronometer, put in your food because anybody here would be just guessing.

I've a question how long can you keep this up for? Money and interest wise, 21 Alaskan salmon fillets and organic stuff would empty the pockets quickly


I'd add in some more solid vegetables, and count the fruit and nuts I'd eat.

Cheers ill have a look at that.

Ive been going a while now but was on this exact diet a few years back and lasted 3 months, I use it specifically for new training plans I knuckle down on. The organic rice is 7.50 per 2kg and the salmon is 6 quid a day, works out at around 55-60 a week including the veg and the fruit I get free from a mate.

jlm29

Hatfry wrote: »

Cooking in any way destroys the live enzymes present in the veg or fruit and some of the nutrients, your body can absorb all of the nutrients from all of the vegetables you juice in about 15 mins. It's also used in the gerson therapy for treating and curing all sorts of degenerative diseases. Many patients suffering from advanced forms of cancer have been cured by juicing ****loads of prescribed veg recipes. Look it up its definitely better for you than eating 8-12 raw carrots + 8-12 raw celery stalks and 2 raw cucumbers a day, all I lose out on is the fibre.

Fair enough- so long as you get enough fibre elsewhere?

siochain

Mr Jake wrote: »

+1. Most boring diet I have ever seen. It could cause depression

Mr Jake wrote: »

Sugar levels would be dangerously low in my opinion

Classic stuff

Transform

Really depends on your goals. Which are?

jlm29

Transform wrote: »

Really depends on your goals. Which are?

Severe constipation?

Mellor

jlm29 wrote: »

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd have thought juicing all your veg would remove an awful lot of the goodness? Fibre especially. I'd say steam them, put them in your plate and chew them!

Depends if its a blender or a juicer.
A blender will do a similar job to your teeth, I wouldn't stress about ruining the fibre. A juicer on the other hand leaves a lot behind. Remember to count all that brown rice too. I doubt fibre is a big issue here.



The diet in incredibly plain, a part from boredom, a lack of variety can leave gaping nutritional holes.
Those 5 meals are about 2000cals, are you trying to lose weight?
I would have expected eating every 2.5 hours to be more than 5 meals. Timing is irrelevant, but if it affects total intake, it should be considered.

Transform

jlm29 wrote: »

Severe constipation?

yea its boring (and comments here will help direct him) but the alternative is more worrying - wheat, sugar, soft drinks etc all day and they wonder why they are sick, tired and overweight

Hatfry

My goals are gaining strength and staying lean and most importantly chemical free.

@Transform: A life or refined sugars, gluten, dairy and processed foods amongst other bad food choices and a lack of nutritional food most of my life are what I'am trying to help my body recover from, the taste of the food and variety don't bother me at all because food these days is produced for the taste and not the nutritional quality IMO. Even if it becomes boring, it's what it does for my body that concerns me. As Mellor said it only adds up to just over 2k cals so i'm willing to add in more nuts and fruits along with any other staples anyone can recommend me that are clean and real sources of calories and nutrients. I'm kinda just trying to cover all of my needs with this diet for a couple months, just hoping I don't miss anything major that can be easily overlooked.

Transform

no worries.

Butter, butter and more butter oh and bacon also.

I use e.g. oatcakes and rice cakes as a gateway to eat more butter, feel best when my fat intake is up nice and high

colman1212

Transform, Do you find some clients work better with carbs and some with fats?
I know personally if I start to up my fats above a certain number of grams (from avocado, coconut oil, nuts), I'll start to put on body fat. If i replace the fats calories with carbs ( rice & sweet potato), I'll stay quite lean.

WhyTheFace

Hatfry wrote: »

Cooking in any way destroys the live enzymes present in the veg or fruit and some of the nutrients, your body can absorb all of the nutrients from all of the vegetables you juice in about 15 mins. It's also used in the gerson therapy for treating and curing all sorts of degenerative diseases. Many patients suffering from advanced forms of cancer have been cured by juicing ****loads of prescribed veg recipes. Look it up its definitely better for you than eating 8-12 raw carrots + 8-12 raw celery stalks and 2 raw cucumbers a day, all I lose out on is the fibre.

What??! :eek:

Link please!

hypersonic

Gerson Therapy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Gerson#Gerson_Therapy

Hatfry

hypersonic wrote: »

Gerson Therapy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Gerson#Gerson_Therapy

Wow it seems the wikipedia page about gerson therapy is negatively biased - to the extreme IMO. For a site that is supposedly unbiased it's quite shocking to see if you read the whole page, it will definitely occur to the average reader that something positive at least has to be said about sucha therapy, whether its gersons or not, even if it's just for something like a cold. If there are no studies to prove or disprove that basically 'high intakes of nutrients can cure some diseases' then why do they slate it so much? It's because eating a healthy diet free of toxins can't be patented and sold, therefore big pharma will NEVER let treatment like this become mainstream and spoken about to the masses.

Nice Botty

Hatfry wrote: »

My goals are gaining strength and staying lean and most importantly chemical free.

@Transform: A life or refined sugars, gluten, dairy and processed foods amongst other bad food choices and a lack of nutritional food most of my life are what I'am trying to help my body recover from, the taste of the food and variety don't bother me at all because food these days is produced for the taste and not the nutritional quality IMO. Even if it becomes boring, it's what it does for my body that concerns me. As Mellor said it only adds up to just over 2k cals so i'm willing to add in more nuts and fruits along with any other staples anyone can recommend me that are clean and real sources of calories and nutrients. I'm kinda just trying to cover all of my needs with this diet for a couple months, just hoping I don't miss anything major that can be easily overlooked.

Have you considered alternating week on week off with the GOMAD diet?

Transform

colman1212 wrote: »

Transform, Do you find some clients work better with carbs and some with fats?
I know personally if I start to up my fats above a certain number of grams (from avocado, coconut oil, nuts), I'll start to put on body fat. If i replace the fats calories with carbs ( rice & sweet potato), I'll stay quite lean.

purely depends on body fat levels and activity levels.

I have rarely seen anyone up fat intake especially from e.g. butter, coconut oil, eggs, meat etc and noticed an increase in body fat levels.

To be perfectly honest couldnt care about body fat levels for males OR females until they can comfortably do - pull ups, dips, press ups, back squat and deadlift over body weight and get through a standard metcon e.g. crossfit helen without the wheels totally coming off.

Im still going to test it but most people need to build a far bigger engine strength and conditioning wise and stop trying to over think their diet.

Mellor

Hatfry wrote: »

Wow it seems the wikipedia page about gerson therapy is negatively biased - to the extreme IMO.

That's because it's idiotic. It deserves to be slated.

something positive at least has to be said about sucha therapy, whether its gersons or not, even if it's just for something like a cold. If there are no studies to prove or disprove that basically 'high intakes of nutrients can cure some diseases' then why do they slate it so much?

Whether or not lots of juice veggies can help cure a cold is irrelevant. Nobody is slating vegetables. The page is specifically about Gerson therapy.
Gerson claimed that it can cure cancer. Not that it might help colds. That it has cured cancer. It hasn't. Evidence shows it can't cure cancer. The cancer association advises against it, saying it could be harmful - I doubt they mean the diet is harmful but rather avoiding proven treatment in favour of Gerson therapy is harmful.

I'm not sure if you are defending it because you think it can cure cancer, or because you realise you statement was silly and are trying to back track to colds and general health.

Steamed Hams

OP I wouldn't eat that much salmon. Switch to white fish of varying varieties. Ray Peat had been saying for years that polyunsaturated fat is harmful and should be avoided, he laughed at for years, but now more and more evidence is coming to light that even omega 3 is harmful. So I'd switch to eating fish with less polyunsaturated fats.

Hatfry

Mellor wrote: »

That's because it's idiotic. It deserves to be slated.


Whether or not lots of juice veggies can help cure a cold is irrelevant. Nobody is slating vegetables. The page is specifically about Gerson therapy.
Gerson claimed that it can cure cancer. Not that it might help colds. That it has cured cancer. It hasn't. Evidence shows it can't cure cancer. The cancer association advises against it, saying it could be harmful - I doubt they mean the diet is harmful but rather avoiding proven treatment in favour of Gerson therapy is harmful.

I'm not sure if you are defending it because you think it can cure cancer, or because you realise you statement was silly and are trying to back track to colds and general health.

No man I watched a few documentaries that it was mentioned in, and watched interviews of people who had large tumors disappear quicker than chemo and diabetic patients being cured completely. No one in any scientific research schools will touch them as if they do big pharma will pin them down. It was fairly black and white but anywhere else you look for info on it like cancer councils and associations they are against it for obvious reasons. It's really interesting of you can get around the initial wall of rejection and make your own mind up after seeing recovered patients.

Anyway enough about gerson thanks for the help with diet everyone, ill stick to it for a while and see what results I get.

Hatfry

Transform wrote: »

no worries.

Butter, butter and more butter oh and bacon also.

I use e.g. oatcakes and rice cakes as a gateway to eat more butter, feel best when my fat intake is up nice and high

Do you mean dairy butter or any butter like peanut almond coconut etc

Mellor

Hatfry wrote: »

Do you mean dairy butter or any butter like peanut almond coconut etc

Dairy, coconut, almond, etc
They're all good

Transform

Hatfry wrote: »

Do you mean dairy butter or any butter like peanut almond coconut etc

Yup good ol fashioned butter in there foil pack

Hatfry

Transform wrote: »

Yup good ol fashioned butter in there foil pack

I steer clear of dairy man, It's sickening the state of the cows most milk comes from.

Nice Botty

Hatfry wrote: »

I steer clear of dairy man, It's sickening the state of the cows most milk comes from.

Quality milk for GOMAD is absolutely crucial

Transform

Hatfry wrote: »

I steer clear of dairy man, It's sickening the state of the cows most milk comes from.

Think you have been reading too many merican sites re nutrition

Other than that, figure out what you work best on and I only wish I could go back and slap my early 20yr old self about being too over analytical with my nutrition

The now wife then girlfriend helped me with that

Hatfry

Nice Botty wrote: »

Quality milk for GOMAD is absolutely crucial

Might give it a go for 30 days. Any adverse reactions? Bloating etc?

runawaybishop

Hatfry wrote: »

I steer clear of dairy man, It's sickening the state of the cows most milk comes from.

Where are you buying your milk from

Casshern88

sorry for waking a dead thread here, trying to sort out my nutrition and reading through old posts, Transform mentioned butter as a way of adding calories and good fats, when you say butter you mean the likes of kerrygold ?

Ronaldinho

Hatfry wrote: »

I steer clear of dairy man, It's sickening the state of the cows most milk comes from.

If we were talking about pigs or poultry in this country then I would tend to agree but there's always free-range. Would strongly disagree re cows though.

How about eggs? - I get 20 free-range eggs for 3.50 in my local butcher. Serious bang for your buck

And how about other fish like tuna steak (fresh), trout or haddock?