scientists find proof of life in outer space. evolution to be rewritten!!!

Banjo String

Possibly.

Scientists believe they have found the first evidence of life arriving to Earth from space, which could "completely change our view of biology and evolution".The team, from the University of Sheffield, made the discovery after sending a balloon high into the stratosphere.On its return they found organisms that were too large to have originated from Earth.Professor Milton Wainwright, who led the team, said the results could be revolutionary.

The balloon was launched near Chester and carried microscope studs which were only exposed to the atmosphere when it reached heights of between 22 and 27km from the planet.It later landed safely and intact near Wakefield when scientists discovered they had captured a fragment of biological material, which were unusual due to their size.If life does continue to arrive from space then we have to completely change our view of biology and evolution.In the absence of a mechanism by which large particles like these can be transported to the stratosphere, we can only conclude that the biological entities originated from space.Our conclusion then is that life is continually arriving to Earth from space, life is not restricted to this planet and it almost certainly did not originate here.

http://www.itv.com/news/2013-09-19/evidence-of-life-arriving-from-space-could-revolutionise-biology-and-evolution/

TLDR?

Scientists send balloon up into atmosphere, balloon arrives back with 'life particles' too big to have gotten there from earth, so they reckon it's more than probably came from space, and probably was the first life particles to ever arrive on our planet.

Essentially making us all space children.

It's almost a statistic certainty that we're not alone in the universe. But did we evolve from these particles?

Thoughts.

TeddyTedson

Sensationalist! :mad:

Micky Dolenz

"The team, from the University of Sheffield"

Heh.

Mariasofia

I always thought I was out of this world.....nothing new here!

Happyman42

They probably came from the gob of the Sheffield wan that blew the balloon up (and from whatever else they blew)

wazky

Marty Morrissey's ancestors?

TeddyTedson

Just as well I suppose. 20 years from now and people would be asking where were you when you first learned we weren't alone in the universe I'd have to answer, "Playing GTA V having sex with some hooker I met at the strippers and browsing boards.ie with my laptop on my own just wearing a vest " I'd have to lie and say I was reading the news or something :rolleyes:

Wattle

I always suspected that I was made of stardust.

bizmark

The important thing though teddy is did you beat her to death after to get your money back ?

Gummy Panda

bizmark wrote: »

The important thing though teddy is did you beat her to death after to get your money back ?

He took her earphones out first

Banjo String

Told you so.

Savoir.Faire

The particles came from Uranus.

Sh1tbag OToole

Savoir.Faire wrote: »

The particles came from Uranus.

I, for one welcome our new sh1t-based overlords.

greedygoblin

I've checked out the journal (Journal of Cosmology) that paper appeared in and it's been involved in some controversy in the past. Stuff like the peer review process not being that stringent. Though, having said that, Sir Roger Penrose is a guest editor there which is as big a name as one can get in the field of cosmology.

Banjo String

greedygoblin wrote: »

I've checked out the journal (Journal of Cosmology) that paper appeared in and it's been involved in some controversy in the past. Stuff like the peer review process not being that stringent. Though, having said that, Sir Roger Penrose is a guest editor there which is as big a name as one can get in the field of cosmology.

It's gotten good enough publicity tbh.

Could be the start of something big.

Too Tough To Die

Better call the Ghostbusters.

paddy147

This is how we really evolved folks.

General General

greedygoblin wrote: »

I've checked out the journal (Journal of Cosmology) that paper appeared in and it's been involved in some controversy in the past. Stuff like the peer review process not being that stringent. Though, having said that, Sir Roger Penrose is a guest editor there which is as big a name as one can get in the field of cosmology.

Several Russians & Indians have much bigger names in terms of number of letters.

LordSutch

Banjo String wrote: »

Scientists send balloon up into atmosphere, balloon arrives back with 'life particles' too big to have gotten there from earth, so they reckon it's more than probably came from space, and probably was the first life particles to ever arrive on our planet.

This needs to be checked, an double checked before people get too carried away, but if its proved true then everything we know about the genesis of life on earth is up for a big rethink. Wow!

hansfrei

The high life in Sheffield.

Mickeroo

One of them sneezed on it before launch and it's all spiralled out of control. They'll come clean eventually, most likely directly followed by the theme music from Curb Your Enthusiasm.

General General

LordSutch wrote: »

This needs to be checked, an double checked before people get too carried away, but if its proved true then everything we know about the genesis of life on earth is up for a big rethink. Wow!

Roman Catholic Church are thrilled, claim proof of God's existence as this is the evidence of the sneezes mentioned during days 3, 5 & 6 of creation in the book of Genesis in the Old Testesmeant.

Yes. I meant to spell it like that.

downonthefarm

if only patrick moore was still alive....

greedygoblin

I'm still pessimistic about it. I read somewhere that extreme events (like major volcanic eruptions) are capable of transporting biological material that high into the atmosphere. Now the people involved in this have said that such a major eruption has not occurred in the last three years, thereby excluding this. They've also made the giant leap in stating that there is no other known natural process that can transport those organisms that far up, so they must have originated from space! Which in my view is like believing in the existence of little green men or the man on the moon...

fryup

wazky wrote: »

Marty Morrissey's ancestors?

ah poor marty

will ya leave him alone,

Happyman42

fryup wrote: »

ah poor marty

will ya leave him alone,

He looks like he can't leave himself alone, nights.

StewartGriffin

All atoms in our body are created from an inter-stellar source - i.e. outer space. That is not news.

Whether life began on a barely recognizable Earth some millions of years ago as the planet gradually cooled off, or came from an interstellar source isn't really that big a deal.

However the possibility that fully formed organisms are raining into us from space is a big deal, but very, very hard to believe.

I expect this will be disproved - but I hope it's not.

hansfrei

StewartGriffin wrote: »

All atoms in our body are created from an inter-stellar source - i.e. outer space. That is not news.

Whether life began on a barely recognizable Earth some millions of years ago as the planet gradually cooled off, or came from an interstellar source isn't really that big a deal.

However the possibility that fully formed organisms are raining into us from space is a big deal, but very, very hard to believe.

I expect this will be disproved - but I hope it's not.

And heres me thinking they'd die in the cold vacuum of space or be burned up on entry through an atmosphere.

Life particles several million, billion, zillion, trillion, gilian years old.


S

TeddyTedson

bizmark wrote: »

The important thing though teddy is did you beat her to death after to get your money back ?

No way, I plan on meeting her again for some hot coffee

Gummy Panda wrote: »

He took her earphones out first

Something else popped out this time! :eek:

AtomicHorror

hansfrei wrote: »

And heres me thinking they'd die in the cold vacuum of space or be burned up on entry through an atmosphere.

Not necessarily. Quite a few microbial species can survive vacuum. Re-entry sounds a bit trickier, but we know humans can survive that with adequate protection, so under the right (rare) circumstances, we should expect that microbes can survive re-entry too. The only real unknown is the prevalence of microbes outside of Earth- that has never been conclusively demonstrated.

Bit sceptical of this research though, all sounds very early and sketchy.

StewartGriffin

It is unlikely to be true.

But don't forget we live in a world where a lot of people believe in a man in the sky called God who will bring us all to happy ever after when we die cos who sent his ONLY son down to clear us of sin and he did and now we can all go back to heaven and we remember this every Sunday by eating a bit of wafer.

I vote for the space microbes.

thecornflake

In the decades of space travel we have not noticed these life forms on anything brought back from any space mission ever. Seems a bit odd.

AtomicHorror

StewartGriffin wrote: »

It is unlikely to be true.

But don't forget we live in a world where a lot of people believe in a man in the sky called God who will bring us all to happy ever after when we die cos who sent his ONLY son down to clear us of sin and he did and now we can all go back to heaven and we remember this every Sunday by eating a bit of wafer.

I vote for the space microbes.

Invincible space microbes versus wacky self-sacrificing zombie cannibal sky-king story. If we have to pick just one (we don't) then yeah, the space microbes win.

AtomicHorror

thecornflake wrote: »

In the decades of space travel we have not noticed these life forms on anything brought back from any space mission ever. Seems a bit odd.

In decades of space travel, we've left Earth orbit about 6 times using technology nearly a half century old. Orbital missions would be incredibly unlikely to encounter these life forms. Unless they happened to be in the same orbit somehow, they'd pass by (or impact) at kilometre-per-second speeds. Not going to see them.

greedygoblin

Have they unequivocally ruled out these organisms originating from Earth?

In my view, no, they haven't. Therefore, to make the claim that they came from space is a bit premature.

It kind of does remind me of that case from Evora in Portugal back in the 1950's when this cobweb-like material started raining down on the town. It was put down to small insects or single-celled organisms producing it.

Say if these particles were transported high up to the stratosphere somehow. Would it be completely unrealistic to believe that they could survive up there for an extended period of time? Adapt to the environment? Even reproduce, before falling back down?

shruikan2553

Eh, this just looks like 1 thing happened and the scientists are trying to make a name for themselves. Would need to do much more testing before could even think it was a possibility. Remember the neutron moving faster than the speed of light?

WilyCoyote

Banjo String wrote: »

Possibly.




http://www.itv.com/news/2013-09-19/evidence-of-life-arriving-from-space-could-revolutionise-biology-and-evolution/

TLDR?

Scientists send balloon up into atmosphere, balloon arrives back with 'life particles' too big to have gotten there from earth, so they reckon it's more than probably came from space, and probably was the first life particles to ever arrive on our planet.

Essentially making us all space children.

It's almost a statistic certainty that we're not alone in the universe. But did we evolve from these particles?

Thoughts.

Percy Bysshe Shelley said as much yonks ago ......... something like we were gold dusty from tumbling among the stars. Anyone sober enough to check it out?

pharmaton

I had a dream about this, posted it here a while ago. THats weird.

edit: teh deh

WilyCoyote

Oops! It was said of Shelley ....... . Cheers!

""""""take them in a catalogue. A brother poet refers to Shelley as "gold-dusty from tumbling among the stars," and we feel the adequacy of the descrip­tion. In Elizabethan times there was a spring-like joy in the fresh words of the language; the Euphuists took a special delight in their manip­ulation. Shakespeare in the richness of his imagination found the existing supply of words inadequate and had to coin new symbols to do justice to the treasures of his mind. In doing so he had in mind his fellows; he not only found a more adequate means of self-expression but he endowed his fellows with a much richer language."""""

WilyCoyote

pharmaton wrote: »

I had a dream about this, posted it here a while ago. THats weird.

edit: teh deh

Touche!

THERE was a time when meadow, grove, and stream,
The earth, and every common sight,
To me did seem
Apparell'd in celestial light,
The glory and the freshness of a dream. 5
It is not now as it hath been of yore;—
Turn wheresoe'er I may,
By night or day,
The things which I have seen I now can see no more.

The rainbow comes and goes, 10
And lovely is the rose;
The moon doth with delight
Look round her when the heavens are bare;
Waters on a starry night
Are beautiful and fair; 15
The sunshine is a glorious birth;
But yet I know, where'er I go,
That there hath pass'd away a glory from the earth.

greedygoblin

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Touche!

THERE was a time when meadow, grove, and stream,
The earth, and every common sight,
To me did seem
Apparell'd in celestial light,
The glory and the freshness of a dream. 5
It is not now as it hath been of yore;—
Turn wheresoe'er I may,
By night or day,
The things which I have seen I now can see no more.

The rainbow comes and goes, 10
And lovely is the rose;
The moon doth with delight
Look round her when the heavens are bare;
Waters on a starry night
Are beautiful and fair; 15
The sunshine is a glorious birth;
But yet I know, where'er I go,
That there hath pass'd away a glory from the earth.

That's Wordsworth dude!

WilyCoyote

greedygoblin wrote: »

That's Wordsworth dude!

"A brother poet refers to Shelley" .............. well spotted old boy!

WilyCoyote

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Just as well I suppose. 20 years from now and people would be asking where were you when you first learned we weren't alone in the universe I'd have to answer, "Playing GTA V having sex with some hooker I met at the strippers and browsing boards.ie with my laptop on my own just wearing a vest " I'd have to lie and say I was reading the news or something :rolleyes:

Teddy, have you still got the stringed vest?

pharmaton

Randi should give me a million dollars

Pharmaton a month ago wrote:

I had a dream few years ago that there were creatures living in the stratosphere (or whatever you call it) above the earth, it was like it was an undiscovered ocean of species like jellyfish, but they weren't jellyfish they were like clouds, with sentience and no body could see them because no one had really been up there. Best way I could explain it.

from link

TeddyTedson

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Teddy, have you still got the stringed vest?

Of course

greedygoblin

pharmaton wrote: »

Randi should give me a million dollars

from link

Was it kind of like this?

:pac:

pharmaton

greedygoblin wrote: »

Was it kind of like this?
:pac:

:pac: if you put that "cloud" of particles under a microscope it would (to the uninitiated) look jellyfish like, at least it would be moving and not static.
I'm now going to offer my super powers to da police and help solve crimes/locate missing people etc etc.

WilyCoyote

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Of course

Your abs must look like the grid of The Guardian crossword? ::D

Rubeter

hansfrei wrote: »

And heres me thinking they'd die in the cold vacuum of space or be burned up on entry through an atmosphere.

Life particles several million, billion, zillion, trillion, gilian years old.


S

Here have a read of these Link 1, link 2, the ole microbes are a lot tougher than you might think.

I people can't link, 2 stories, one about thingies surviving outside the ISS for over 500 days, the other about them surviving on the moon for nearly 3 years (they hitched a ride on an unmanned probe in early '67 and were recovered in late '69 by Apollo 12).

When larger rocks enter the atmosphere only the outside of the rock gets hot the inside remains cold, interestingly if you pick up a meteorite just after it lands you wont get burned but you can get frostbite.