Payment for correcting State Examinations 2013

Armaghmagic

Does anybody know when Examiners get paid by the SEC for correcting the Junior and Leaving Cert exams?

Have to get the money sharpish in order to pay the next installment for my H.Dip so waiting impatiently for it.

I was correcting Junior Cert which I thought would have been paid not long after the results were handed out.

Anyone any ideas?

saythatagain

Armaghmagic wrote: »

Does anybody know when Examiners get paid by the SEC for correcting the Junior and Leaving Cert exams?

Have to get the money sharpish in order to pay the next installment for my H.Dip so waiting impatiently for it.

I was correcting Junior Cert which I thought would have been paid not long after the results were handed out.

Anyone any ideas?

It will be mid to late October, if you're lucky.

thefasteriwalk

I got a letter from them today saying I hadn't sent them one of the forms - the one pertaining to PRSI. I'll be posting it off on Monday. No doubt I'll be waiting another age.

rainbowtrout

thefasteriwalk wrote: »

I got a letter from them today saying I hadn't sent them one of the forms - the one pertaining to PRSI. I'll be posting it off on Monday. No doubt I'll be waiting another age.

Look on the bright side, they must have been processing your paperwork if they noticed there was a form missing....

spurious

I know they are under a lot of pressure in Cornamaddy due to cutbacks, retirements, staff movement etc..

From examinations.ie:

From Monday 23rd September, 2013 the phone lines into the Financial Section will be on voicemail except between the hours of 4pm and 5pm each day. This is being done to expedite the payment processing schedule.

Callers will have the option of ringing in between 4pm and 5pm each day or of making contact by email (financial@examinations.ie) or by writing to the following address:

Financial Section
State Examinations Commission
Cornamaddy
Athlone
Co. Westmeath

clairecee

I got the same letter regarding PRSI so hopefully it'll not be long now! Have been correcting for years and never got this letter before, also we would normally have received the remainder of our money by now

Armaghmagic

I was thinking it would be mid September as I saw on discussions here from years ago people were receiving money around this time.....uh oh!!

dids6457

I mailed today regarding mine and got a very prompt email back in fairness, they are processing by date having received the first forms around July 11th they are starting from there, mine was received Aug 13th and they have said it will be mid October at the earliest by the time mine comes through.;)

Foodie

Just off the phone with financial section. Was told my subject was bottom of the pile and won't be paid until late October at earliest but could run into November very easily. Oh well

evolving_doors

What the heck is this PRSI form they are blaming me for not filling in and including with my expenses? Is it just me or did anyone else get shafted with this?

rainbowtrout

Armelodie wrote: »

What the heck is this PRSI form they are blaming me for not filling in and including with my expenses? Is it just me or did anyone else get shafted with this?

They sent one out to everyone, they might have missed some people, or you might have mislaid it in the mountain of other bits of paper. I lost my one and they sent me another one a couple of weeks ago.

maynooth_rules

rainbowtrout wrote: »

They sent one out to everyone, they might have missed some people, or you might have mislaid it in the mountain of other bits of paper. I lost my one and they sent me another one a couple of weeks ago.

Thats fine but the assumption in it is that it is our fault they dont have it. The letter states that the form 'was issued earlier with a request to enclose it with your claim'.

How about maybe admit your error SEC

neverfinished

Yes. I got it too. I definitely do not remember having gotten it to fill in before this week. I wonder how long it will delay payment.

evolving_doors

The cheek.... I shoved the prsi form back in with a stinking letter to maybe reevaluate their own procedures for next year as myself and a few other colleagues never received any prsi form. It just annoyed the hell out of me that they outright claimed it was my fault. This was my first year correcting so I double checked everything...i didn't bin any remaining paperwork so i rechecked the ' just in case I forgot anything' press and their aint not no form there.

Maybe theyre holding back payments untill after the yearly returns are done so itll look like their department has made savings! Either that or they're just incompetent.

Sorry for the rant but I've worked in umpteen jobs in public and private sector and never had to wait 3 months to be paid. I can survive without it just for now, but thinking about the time and effort i gave to that work makes me grumble.

spurious

They may well have not sent out the form.

The packs for correctors/examiners/monitors could have been prepared (as was the case in my subject) by people who had been switched into that job a day beforehand, having previously worked in a completely different section.
It's not surprising mistakes may have been made.

By the same token, not all teachers are as diligent as you seem to be when filling out forms, even job application forms.

I wouldn't imagine too many people will be waiting into December for payment.

rainbowtrout

Armelodie wrote: »

The cheek.... I shoved the prsi form back in with a stinking letter to maybe reevaluate their own procedures for next year as myself and a few other colleagues never received any prsi form. It just annoyed the hell out of me that they outright claimed it was my fault. This was my first year correcting so I double checked everything...i didn't bin any remaining paperwork so i rechecked the ' just in case I forgot anything' press and their aint not no form there.

Maybe theyre holding back payments untill after the yearly returns are done so itll look like their department has made savings! Either that or they're just incompetent.

Sorry for the rant but I've worked in umpteen jobs in public and private sector and never had to wait 3 months to be paid. I can survive without it just for now, but thinking about the time and effort i gave to that work makes me grumble.

That's a serious over reaction. 5 or 6 years ago the SEC were highly efficient. You got paid around the date of the junior cert results came out. You could set a watch by them. The advance payment at the start was in your account within 5 days sometimes faster. Now it takes at least 3 weeks.

Since the cutbacks staff have left the SEC and haven't been replaced. On top of that I assume staff are being asked to check every bit of paperwork carefully to check that no one is making unrealistic expense claims.

Both of this things together are slowing things down. I've been correcting for 12 years and never had an issue with getting paid until the last couple of years when things started grinding to a halt. On top of that I'm sure there are people in there who spend their day fielding 'when am I getting paid calls' taking them away from processing claims.

Crazyteacher

If you email them, you get a very fast response. I'd recommend people to use this service instead of calling. They'll ask for your pps number and tell you were your claim is.

evolving_doors

rainbowtrout wrote: »

That's a serious over reaction. 5 or 6 years ago the SEC were highly efficient. You got paid around the date of the junior cert results came out. You could set a watch by them. The advance payment at the start was in your account within 5 days sometimes faster. Now it takes at least 3 weeks.

Since the cutbacks staff have left the SEC and haven't been replaced. On top of that I assume staff are being asked to check every bit of paperwork carefully to check that no one is making unrealistic expense claims.


Both of this things together are slowing things down. I've been correcting for 12 years and never had an issue with getting paid until the last couple of years when things started grinding to a halt. On top of that I'm sure there are people in there who spend their day
fielding 'when am I getting paid calls' taking them away from processing claims.

Yes your experience may have been good in the past but what I'm saying is that the letter outright claims that the error was my fault... Overworked and understaffed I can understand but being rude isnt necessary. Am I the ONLY ONE who didn't get a PRSI form in the first place? Anyone else here remember NOT getting one?

maynooth_rules

There was no PRSI form in the first place. They shoudnt have phrased it like that on the letter they sent out this week. Nobody received those forms before.
I dont particularly have an issue with the timing of the payment.

rainbowtrout

maynooth_rules wrote: »

There was no PRSI form in the first place. They shoudnt have phrased it like that on the letter they sent out this week. Nobody received those forms before.
I dont particularly have an issue with the timing of the payment.

Yes there were PRSI forms, I got two of them for two different things I did for SEC this summer, I sent back the first one and lost the second one and got the replacement in the post about 2 weeks ago.

thefasteriwalk

I'm almost certain I never got one. A few people at work are saying the same. It's hardly a the case that everyone got them, but loads of us misplaced it, surely? I'd find that very strange.

acequion

Armelodie wrote: »

What the heck is this PRSI form they are blaming me for not filling in and including with my expenses? Is it just me or did anyone else get shafted with this?

Got exactly the same thing and don't even know where Ive put the damn form. They make such heavy weather with paperwork! I've been correcting for the past ten years but only this year went from ordinary to higher, so it's not like they can't have my details.

Chris68

I definitely didn't receive the form originally. Somehow though they managed to pay me for supervising the exams without the form. They only needed it when it came to payment for correcting exams. Got paid yesterday - about 2 weeks after sending back form.

Geologyrocks

I received the PRSI form just before I began marking and then another one, exactly the same, came two weeks later...

picturehangup

Got the same form last week! What's going on?

I am on the payroll for a long time now,have examined for a long time also.
surely they should have my details. Do not understand this at all.
Stalling tactics?

RealJohn

Definitely sounds like stalling. I've been marking for six years and I don't remember ever having to fill it put before (though I possibly did the first time). I don't remember there ever being more than one form when accept the gig having done it before but I got that PRSI thing this year too.

spurious

Or it could be some new head of department flexing muscles and insisting on certain procedures (which previously had been ignored) being followed.

I sincerely doubt any of the clerical staff in Athlone are deliberately delaying payments to examiners.

rainbowtrout

spurious wrote: »

Or it could be some new head of department flexing muscles and insisting on certain procedures (which previously had been ignored) being followed.

I sincerely doubt any of the clerical staff in Athlone are deliberately delaying payments to examiners.

... And I can't see how it could be a delaying tactic when we haven't got paid until at least mid October for the last few years. This is still September so it's not like payment is late based on recent years.

dids6457

Anyone seen any movement on this? I sent back the PRSI form last week....wonder will that delay the mid October suggestion I received on email. Also can anyone recall when we have to apply again for next year?

RealJohn

rainbowtrout wrote: »

... And I can't see how it could be a delaying tactic when we haven't got paid until at least mid October for the last few years. This is still September so it's not like payment is late based on recent years.

Yet.
If nothing else it smacks of incompetence, either this year or in the past since we haven't been asked to do it until this year (and it should have been in the letter confirming we were accepting our appointment as examiners if it's a new development).

stonehatchet

I e mailed with regard to Junior Cert last week and they told me they couldn't give me a date. They said it will be late October but they weren't sure when.

evolving_doors

RealJohn wrote: »

Yet.
If nothing else it smacks of incompetence, either this year or in the past since we haven't been asked to do it until this year (and it should have been in the letter confirming we were accepting our appointment as examiners if it's a new development).

I'm kicking myself now for not photocopying that stupid PRSI form to put it in next year when THEY forget it again.

(Although , they'll probably send it out to me again in September regardless!).

Why the heck can't they move this paperwork to online application!

stonehatchet

Here is the response I got
"It will be some weeks before claims for JC Religion are processed. Our Tracker indicates that the forms for Higher Level reached us on 6 August, and the Ordinary Level on 26th August. These were some of the later ones to arrive and so there are a substantial number of claims to be dealt with before them.

I can't give you a payment date or an estimate at this stage, except to say that all Written Examiners will be paid by the end of October and I would imagine the Ord Level will certainly be amongst the later group, with higher level a little earlier. ."

dids6457

Has anybody been paid for any junior cert correcting yet? When do forms to reapply have to be in by would anyone know?

purplepapillon

dids6457 wrote: »

Has anybody been paid for any junior cert correcting yet? When do forms to reapply have to be in by would anyone know?

Haven't been paid yet. They sent me out the PRSI form to say what class PRSI you're paying. I had already filled it in. Assume now it's a waiting game. Have found contacting them by phone to be useless. I may try email.

As an NQT who was unemployed over the summer, and not having subbed much in my TP school, I found the correcting process worthwhile in terms of CPD but as for the practicalities, I've borrowed money from family to pay for bills for July and I haven't been able to pay it all back yet. Not many jobs where you could ask people to work for almost 4 weeks with an advance of €400 and leave the remainder outstanding for months.

Number32

Posted back this (never seen before) form last week. Fingers crossed for money to follow ASAP. I corrected CSPE.
Are we cut again next year?? This might be it for a few of us....

dids6457

I emailed again yesterday after being told mid October the last time I mailed. In the last email which was in early September, I was informed my claim was received on Aug 13th, the first claims came in July 11th and they were starting with those so it was likely to be mid October.
Fast forward to yesterday and I was told that yesterday "my colleague has just begun the first stage of the checking process" and so an estimate of another 2-3 weeks has been given! Something is matching up there.
In fairness they are very good to reply to emails!

Idir talamh s speir

Hi
I haven't been paid yet either.
I was also sent the "PRSI form" referred to previously (in mid-September I think). This is my 10th year marking the same subject and level. I never received that PRSI form ever before (as far as I can recall). It wasnt included in the pack received at the marking conference (as claimed by SEC)...the first time I saw it was when it came in the post in mid-September.
Payment has become later in the last few years but this year seems to be a record....I suspect this "PRSI form" mullarkey is a delaying tactic.


The late payment is begining to stress me out now as I am relying on it to pay certain bills...if it doesn't come soon I will have to get a loan from somewhere....meanwhile I have raised the matter with the union (TUI).
Thanks.

Zizigirl

I corrected JCHL maths and I got paid last week of September. They sent form to me 2nd week in September and I sent it back straight away. Those forms were supposed to be in packs received at the conference. Most people didn't get them in the packs but obviously we had no clue they were missing as it is the first year they asked us to fill them in!

Geologyrocks

I got paid for LC Biology last week. Just wondering do we receive a payslip?

Crazyteacher

You should've received one by the end of the week in which you were paid. Perhaps check if they could send another?

Inspector Coptoor

You got paid for LC Bio?
HL or OL?

I still haven't been paid.

It was third week in October last week though.

Geologyrocks

I did HL Bio.

jimzzzz

Corrected junior cert higher level. Received 900 advance payment. How much can I expect to get this time around. Corrected 370 scripts. Thanks.

rainbowtrout

jimzzzz wrote: »

Corrected junior cert higher level. Received 900 advance payment. How much can I expect to get this time around. Corrected 370 scripts. Thanks.

Depends on what your rate per paper was and what expenses you claimed.

dids6457

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Depends on what your rate per paper was and what expenses you claimed.

Is the tax colossal??

rainbowtrout

dids6457 wrote: »

Is the tax colossal??

Again that depends on the individual. Whether or not you are earning enough (from teaching presumably) to bring you into the higher tax bracket, if you are the whole lot will be taxed at 41%. Some people may not be currently teaching and get the whole lot taxed at 20%. Some people may transfer some of their tax credits over to the SEC.....

dimples06

Got paid for JC HL English today, got screwed at the higher level if tax but I'm unemployed at the minute.... Will I get this tax back?! Half the pay I thought i would get

Inspector Coptoor

dimples06 wrote: »

Got paid for JC HL English today, got screwed at the higher level if tax but I'm unemployed at the minute.... Will I get this tax back?! Half the pay I thought i would get

You'll be able to get a P21 balancing statement in January and get back any tax you overpaid this tax year.

For future reference, you could transfer some of your tax credits and standard rate cut off point to the SEC and this way you wouldnt be paying the higher rate of tax

RealJohn

Getting annoyed now. They're already over a week late paying me the balance for JC HL science.

deiseindublin

I was told today that it would be 2 or 3 more weeks before I'm paid.

I was taking it in my stride 'til then thinking I'd definitely have it for midterm but going into November is really taking the piss for work that I started in 2nd week of June.