Art O'Neill 2014

Slieve Rua

Any idea if the Art O'Neill will be going ahead again in January (for walkers)?

TheBody

As far as I know, they are still trying to get approval from the Parks and Wildlife people.

Slieve Rua

Thanks

TheBody

Looks like I'm right. Here is the Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Art-ONeill-Challenge/235486523164257?fref=ts

Gasherbraun

Slieve Rua wrote: »

Any idea if the Art O'Neill will be going ahead again in January (for walkers)?

It was a struggle to get a permit in 2013 and it was only agreed quite late. I also read somewhere after the 2013 event that it if AON happened in 2014 it would probably only be an event for runners but that said I am sure the organisers will try for a permit that allows as many entrants as possible and hopefully includes walkers.

The event has been running for years, long before its more commercial version, so there will be people doing the AON no matter what happens with the permit.

BarryD

Gasherbraun wrote: »

The event has been running for years, long before its more commercial version, so there will be people doing the AON no matter what happens with the permit.

That's what I thought too, I couldn't figure how the WMNP could be involved in issuing permits, as for years there have been a bunch of hardy souls meeting to do the walk and commemorate the event. There's nothing to stop anybody meeting up with a few pals and heading off. I guess that a paid entry & organised event falls into a different category

Gasherbraun

I think the issue of permits only came up when the populartity of the event started to grow in 2012 when there were approx 450 entrants including runners and walkers. I believe that in 2013 there were even more people interested (I heard the figure of 7-800) and the national parks then started to get concerned. In fairness the organisers have really tried to limit the impact that the event has on the landscape and certainly in 2012 and particularly 2013 people were guided in small groups on different routes after the road section in order to limit 'beaten track' damage. Ballynabrocky was was also avoided at the request of the WMNP.

So it just remains to be seen if a compromise can be reached for 2014 but it would be a shame if a challenge that was primarily a walkers event becomes open to just ultra runners due to restrictions.

As you say Barry there is nothing to stop people just commemorating the history and walking the route independently but I have to say the atmosphere in Dublin Castle on the night plus the massed walk out of the city into the dark hills is pretty special. I think also a lot of people enjoy the fact that the event is organised with guides (if required) and return transport; There is a poster called Gravale who says they used to finish in Glenmalure then walk back over Lugduff and down into Glendalough to get the bus back to Dublin....not many would fancy that

BarryD

Interesting how a thing can explode in popularity so quickly, I always thought the commemorative walk was the preserve of just the few. That said, I think that activities that have a link back into historical events should be encouraged. For example, it was good to see old graveyard at St.Ann's chapel up in Glenasmole being brought to wider public attention when it was incorporated into the Dublin Mountains Way. But then it was removed due to 'too many' people accessing the site. Not quite sure if this was in best interests of our heritage, as the public need to be encouraged to visit these places in order to appreciate and value them. The latter point of placing a value on heritage being the important aspect. Art O'Neill walk might be approaching same idea.

Gravale

Gasherbraun wrote: »

The event has been running for years, long before its more commercial version, so there will be people doing the AON no matter what happens with the permit.

Yes, it has been happening for many years, at least as far back as 1952. This link is from 1954. Art O'Neill Walk (early years).jpg

Before the present format was begun in 2009 the number of participants on the official walk has varied over the years, from as little as one or two up to sixty-two. It was organised in a very casual way whereby people would just turn up on the night and I'd lead them all as a single group to the finish. It was understood that everyone had to be self-supporting in every way. I handed out the following notice at Dublin Castle on the night:

PLEASE NOTE:
THERE WILL BE NO SUPPORT DURING THE WALK
THERE WILL BE NO TRANSPORT IF YOU WITHDRAW
THERE WILL BE NO FOOD OR DRINK ALONG THE WAY
YOU MUST FIND YOUR OWN WAY HOME AT THE FINISH
THERE IS NO OFFICIAL LEADER

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED BEFORE YOU START OUT!

We never had an accident - I always carried a humane killer for such eventualities - or had to call Mountain Rescue, though on one occasion I got an irate phonecall from a guy's wife who was worried that her husband had not arrived home and that perhaps he might be lying in a ditch somewhere. As it happened he was drinking pints in Rathdrum.

At the finish (which sometimes went as far as Greenane) some had arranged their own transport home, while I would lead others on the VERY steep climb up to Lugduff and down to Glendalough for the St. Kevin's bus back to Dublin.

At the end of 2008 I was approached by Gearoid Towey who wished to organise a charitable event for his friend Stuart Mangan who had been paralyzed as a result of a rugby accident. I happily had no problem with his proposed organisation of the Art O'Neill Challenge for this commendable purpose. Phew! The pressure was off me finally! The rest, as they say, is history.

AON2014

Just got the news that the NPWS have granted a permit for the Art O'Neill in 2014 so I will post details of their availability as soon as it's arranged.

There will not be any kind of waiting list. Places will be limited to 200 and will be on a strictly first come first served basis as that is the fairest way. I will put a post on Boards, on the AON Facebook page and on the AON website to say when the places will become available. After that it's up to you.

The spirit of the event is one of challenge and adventure and so the format of the event will stay the same with an Ultra, Hybrid and Walker element depending on who gets the places of course.

I will post updates as often as possible.

Regards,

AON2014

lz8070

Thanks Declan. Looking forward to it

Diesel

Much appreciated !

Alfa Quadrifoglio

Good to see the event get a permit, well done, however, cannot understand the low limit on numbers. The underfoot damage the last time I did it in 12 was very limited and had well recovered by summer. Focus should be on illegal dumping, stolen cars being burnt out etc not on a healthy pursuit marking an historical moment by people with a sense of adventure and history

Gravale

The only place where I saw noticeable erosion was alongside the Glenreemore Brook on the way up to the ascent (which is perpetually eroded) to Art's Cross. Various alternatives to this route were on offer in recent years, but at that stage of the journey people are very tired and are inclined to stay alongside the river.

Gasherbraun

Gravale wrote: »

The only place where I saw noticeable erosion was alongside the Glenreemore Brook on the way up to the ascent (which is perpetually eroded) to Art's Cross. Various alternatives to this route were on offer in recent years, but at that stage of the journey people are very tired and are inclined to stay alongside the river.

In 2012 we followed the NE bank of the brook and then up the ramp to the cross. In 2013 we contoured up the high ground on the SW bank of the brook (approx O 029 002 - T 032 990). I think if I was doing it again I would choose the contoured route again. It was a more sustained effort compared to the short sharp ascent of the ramp but the climb was steady and the ground was a lot better, particularly higher up. I would also think the ground on the contoured route is less susceptable to erosion than the side of the brook which was very boggy and soft.

loobylou

By far the quickest/easiest way is to cross Glenreemore Brook early and follow Asbawn Brook all the way to Three Lakes.
This of course means missing Arts Cross altogether which may or may not be in the spirit of the event.

Gravale

O the shame!

Alfa Quadrifoglio

There should be a rule ... you must touch Arts Cross when completing the AoN Challenge!

mr spuckler

i really want to do this, missed the cut-off last year.
hopefully i've better luck this time around!

Alfa Quadrifoglio

+1

rockbrook

Super event last year hope to get a place again this year

Eoin0603

I am hoping to do this event for the first time, limited to 200 with 130 likes on the facebook page! the challenge might be getting into it!

AON2014

We hope to have registration opening very soon so fingers on your buzzers and apologies in advance for the unavoidable lottery.

If anyone is looking for a great training race you won't do better than Run The Line which is being organised by Dublin Wicklow Mountain Rescue who also do support on the Art O'Neill Challenge. The team have already responded to 100 callouts this year alone so they could do with your support. Check out http://www.runtheline.ie/ for more info.

AON2014

Registration for the Art O'Neill will be opening on Sunday morning hopefully. If not it will open on Monday or Tuesday evening. Please keep an eye out on the Art O'Neill Facebook page, event website or Boards.ie for details. As soon as the system has been successfully tested we will notify you of the exact time it will go live.

All the best,
AON Event Team

AON2014

In the interest of fairness and not spoiling anyones weekend registration for places for the 2014 Art O'Neill will open on Monday, November 18th at 8.30pm in the evening.

Good luck.

Eoin0603

I'm a 4 hour marathoner hoping to run the art ultra and was hoping to team up with somebody/some people who have decent navigational abilities so we can run as a team?

Granted none of us have a place yet but is anyone interested in principle?

AON2014

Registration will go live very soon. With all the activity the site will probably be slow to respond so be patient. Please fill out all the details on the form accurately especially Race Category & contact details. Only one entry per person as this is the fairest way to do it with only 200 spots available. And, as Harvey Norman says….when the 200 spots are gone, they're really gone….Best of luck.

nutts_77

Not much luck with the site.... :-(

Eoin0603

The only hope I have is that everyone is having the same issues with the site :-(

911sc

Looks dead to me, can't connect.

mr spuckler

just loaded for me but looks the same as it did earlier

911sc

Great, i am in. Registration completed.

mr spuckler

through the page registration_new?

i just got that page to load and it's got the hillseekers training thing from earlier...

911sc

Remember, your max HR is 220 minus your age.. Did you exceed it?
You are going to hate me:rolleyes: I was only messing...
Can't connect either, site still hanging.
AON challenge starts at registration time...

buzzingnoise

911sc wrote: »

Looks dead to me, can't connect.

dead for last 30 mins.............. any ideas??

mr spuckler

they just posted on fb saying it's completely smashed and the more you try the more it'll reject you. helpful!

buzzingnoise

this sucks

911sc

AON FB wrote:

Due to the level of activity on the site the link to the registration page is not working. It's now like queuing for an emergency exit….the more you rush the more you will have to wait.

Art just posted that the link to register isnt live yet becuase he can't get in either... So we may all take a deep breath Art ONeill Challenge The link to the registration page is not live yet because there is too much traffic on the site. Letting people know the time of registration was done in the interest of fairness so apologies for the level of interest in this great event. Not one place has been sold yet but as soon as I can access the site the registration link will be published. The more people hit the refresh button the longer this will take. Apologies for the virtual queueing.

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Mycroft H

It's off until tomorrow according to the FB page. Sleep easy....


I'd go for this only that it's 99 quid... Might go do it the night before/after with a few mates.

opus

Registration is off for tonight, from the FB page -

Sincere apologies but due to unprecedented traffic levels on the Art O'Neill website the registration page is not working. None of the places have been sold and we will post here about how we intend to avoid the traffic issue shortly. REGISTRATION WILL NOT BE GOING LIVE TONIGHT so you can go to sleep knowing that you won't be missing out. Once again sincere apologies for this inconvenience.

Alfa Quadrifoglio

Proposal to Art O'Neill Event Managers: Anybody wishing to participate on the event enters a draw by buying a €25 ticket with full proceeds going to the good people in the DWMRT (reckon around €12,000+), each ticket is numbered. Then in Great Outdoors numbers are drawn from a drum and first 200 numbers drawn determines the participants. Forget this inet approach, its been a shambles

Micilin Muc

Anybody know where I can get a new F5 button for tomorrow? Old one's worn out after tonight.

nerraw1111

Alfa Quadrifoglio wrote: »

Proposal to Art O'Neill Event Managers: Anybody wishing to participate on the event enters a draw by buying a €25 ticket with full proceeds going to the good people in the DWMRT (reckon around €12,000+), each ticket is numbered. Then in Great Outdoors numbers are drawn from a drum and first 200 numbers drawn determines the participants. Forget this inet approach, its been a shambles

That's an awful idea. They misjudged the demand. Easy to rectify. It's a small set up. Online is the fairest. Everyone has the same chance.

Mycroft H

nerraw1111 wrote: »

That's an awful idea. They misjudged the demand. Easy to rectify. It's a small set up. Online is the fairest. Everyone has the same chance.

It's whomever pushes F5 at the time really. And has an excellent internet connection.

nerraw1111

Mycroft H wrote: »

It's whomever pushes F5 at the time really. And has an excellent internet connection.

Exactly. F5 is fair. My experience in buying glastonbury tickets, is that internet speed isn't that much a factor. Just luck and a bit of perseverance. A lotto will only result in ppl not that arsed throwing in an entry.

Alfa Quadrifoglio

nerraw1111 wrote: »

That's an awful idea. They misjudged the demand. Easy to rectify. It's a small set up. Online is the fairest. Everyone has the same chance.

How was demand misjudged, it was obvious from Facebook and previous years interest demand would be high? Whats so awful about raising funds for a voluntary service that supports the AON and Hillwalker's 365 days a year ?

nerraw1111

Alfa Quadrifoglio wrote: »

How was demand misjudged, it was obvious from Facebook and previous years interest demand would be high? Whats so awful about raising funds for a voluntary service that supports the AON and Hillwalker's 365 days a year ?

The website didn't work. That indicates the demand was misjudged.

That's quite the strawman argument re your idea. My criticism of your idea was to A) charge people €25 for the chance to enter an event and names out a hat. Issue isn't charity.

There's an excellent fundraiser for such a service on Sat that I hope to go. But let's not come up with knee jerk reactions over one website failure.

lz8070

Forget the whole issue of registration. My view is that the REAL issue is the National Parks & Wildlife Service not issuing a permit for more than 200 people. Have they issued a detailed breakdown of the reasons why they are limiting entry? If they have, does it stand up to scrutiny? Are we just talking about overpaid civil servants on a power trip??

Slieve Rua

In the event that I don't get in to this year's AON, is there any similiar type event somewhere in the country in January?

Mycroft H

Slieve Rua wrote: »

In the event that I don't get in to this year's AON, is there any similiar type event somewhere in the country in January?

Go yourself with a bunch of mates. Did it last year, similar time but still fun, probably do it again this year.

mr spuckler

Mycroft H wrote: »

Go yourself with a bunch of mates. Did it last year, similar time but still fun, probably do it again this year.

that's what we're thinking of doing, will definitely post here if doing it, see how many are interested