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Dexter Season 8 Episode 11 - Monkey in a Box [SPOILERS]

  • 16-09-2013 4:16am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭


    Here we go, another barrel of cack to ruin my Sunday night after watching Breaking Bad. :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    Not the worst episode ever, but it's just really hard to care about anything at this point.

    At least it looks like everything's going tits up ahead of the finale, what with Elway being on Hannah's heels at the airport, Deb having been shot, and Saxon getting away.
    Presumably they won't be getting on that flight anyways.
    Also, Deb's shooting - even aside from the narrative aspects - was really poorly shot, and totally lacked tension.



    Anyway, at least it's almost over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,115 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    They are trying to prove Dexter has changed so much it's comical. All he had to do was kill him and get on the plane he was like somebody who never killed before.

    On a side note whoever is hiring actors should be gone Vogel and Saxon are up their with the worst actors iv seen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,896 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Well for better or worse it's nearly over. Ghost dad's disappearance and Deb's shooting could have been handled significantly better.

    Also I can't help but feel they missed an opportunity to have Mathews force Dexter to drink for six hours and then have Dexter attempt to hunt Saxon.

    Mildly interesting to have Prado's wife in the episode.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,571 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Not awful, but after watching Breaking Bad, it was definitely 'meh'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Staplor


    Planes downed due to big storm, send boat ON AUTO PILOT out to sea in the giant storm. Boat wrecked, no bodies, presumed dead.

    6 months later flash forward, eating steak watching Boca Juniors.

    Thanks for the ending Batman.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭snausages


    OMG, new Dexter! Can't wait to not watch this episode as well!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea


    just checked how far i am through this episode, only halfway :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea


    finally finished.

    crap as per. what, dexter is "cured" now? just walking away from the kill? oh please :rolleyes:

    thank christ there is only one episode to go, the thoughts of enduring it is killer though :/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    How in the name of jesus do you get cured of being a psychopath? So was the wanting to murder ****ing everything just a phase for Dexter which he has now matured out of? Most of us get a bit stroppy during puberty. Dexter murders all and sundry until his mid 30s and then says ah **** this lets move to Argentina. Pure bollox.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭snausages


    How in the name of jesus do you get cured of being a psychopath? So was the wanting to murder ****ing everything just a phase for Dexter which he has now matured out of? Most of us get a bit stroppy during puberty. Dexter murders all and sundry until his mid 30s and then says ah **** this lets move to Argentina. Pure bollox.

    Wow, seriously? They're actually doing this? What a cop-out. This is one of those seasons which needs an 'it was all a dream' rewrite.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,115 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Does anybody think the brain surgeon is probably the worst nemesis he has faced. He is certainly the most boring i find anyway. The writers really messed the show up. They made some mistake getting rid of Lundy. Imagine if he appeared out of nowhere for this season it would have been epic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 293 ✭✭GorillaRising


    Well, that was rubbish. Second last episode of the ending of the entire show?! Gimme a break.

    Thankfully, I had a brand new Galaxy S4 to keep me entertained during it. :D

    It ends next week, Breaking Bad the week after - at least that will end on a good note and we can enjoy it and forget about Dexter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭FURET


    As someone who loved Dexter for seasons 1 and 2, noted a drop in quality in season 3, a substantial drop in season 4 despite flashes of brilliance, and who despaired utterly at 5 and 6, only to be partially mollified by season 7 and reduced to despair again this season, I don't think that episode was half bad.

    I still think Dexter can get caught in the last episode. He dished the dirt on Saxon and I think Saxon will dish the dirt on him in the finale.

    I also liked the mention of Miguel, and I liked Saxon repeating word for word Dexter's lines from the pilot episode way back in season 1. It was an homage to better times.

    What will be interesting will be the recriminations that we'll here from producers after the finale airs. Someone will surely blame someone else for the fall in quality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭maguic24


    A load of bullsh*t, why did he not just kill Saxon?


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Ghost Dad: "This doesn't sound like the old Dexter".
    Dexter to Ghost Dad: "Maybe, I'm not the old Dexter".

    That one interaction pretty much sums up this season (and the 2 or 3 before it).

    The scene outside the funeral.
    Deb: "Not much of a turn out, she mustn't have had many friends or family".
    Dex: "Apart from the son who cut her throat".

    The line was good but both Batista and Mathews were behind him when he said it. Completely stupid. Also, how on earth did the federal marshal fella not recognise or know about Saxxon? Not only was his face plastered all over the news but surely a federal marshall that is looking for a serial killer that may be in the area would be informed of another serial killer that is in the area and was known to police to be in the area a hell of a lot more recently and who the police know has killed someone in the past 24 hours. It boggles the mind how nobody thinks of this shít.

    Let's just pretend none of that happened. What the hell was Deb's and Dexter's plan. Hi, Debra Morgan here. I just happened to be wandering around this old abandoned mental hospital, as you do, and all of a sudden I walked into this room and there was this serial killer we've all been looking for and he was just strapped to a bed. What are the fúcking chances?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Pang


    That scene with Dexter and Saxon in the old building was brutal. I even think Michael C Hall's level of acting has decreased as well. Every time I see him I want to give him a good shake. The lines are so bad and the plot is just dire. I refuse to believe a serial killer can change because of one woman who lacks personality.

    Plus I am so sick of hearing Argentina mentioned. It's off my to do list for quite a while.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,001 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Hey, has anyone any idea where Dexter's planning on going with Hannah? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,896 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    ixoy wrote: »
    Hey, has anyone any idea where Dexter's planning on going with Hannah? :confused:

    I think they mentioned Mexico.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭vitani


    So, it's Hannah's love that's cured Dexter of killing. That's fantastic. All those poor misunderstood psychopathic serial killers out there just need the love of a good woman and they won't ever kill again.

    Seriously. That's the message the show is trying to send?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭maguic24


    vitani wrote: »
    So, it's Hannah's love that's cured Dexter of killing. That's fantastic. All those poor misunderstood psychopathic serial killers out there just need the love of a good woman and they won't ever kill again.

    Seriously. That's the message the show is trying to send?

    Yes, I'm still searching for my one true serial killer that poisoned my sister and left me on the side of the road. Haven't found him yet but I'll check back in when I do.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭gavmcg92


    This is actually making me really upset at this stage. How could they do this to, what was, a great tv series. I mean, even the pre trailers are now better than the actual episodes their trying to advertise. Poor poor episode. Again somewhat saved by the bit of action we got at the end.

    Ugh!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭FearDark


    Watching this now... Had to post half way through. It's utterly unwatchable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    To be honest, given the shockingly obvious we-just-don't-give-a-****-about-a-dead-show vibe Dexter has been giving this past while, this episode somewhat crawled up the ladder of quality.

    Not an amazing episode, or even a good one, but given what we've been fed, it was a marked improvement and I enjoyed it a lot more.

    Yes, it's still a pitiful shadow of what the show once was, and still rife with plot holes that would challenge the surface of the moon, but they've at least clawed back some ground before the finale.

    At this point, that's about all we could ask for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Well for better or worse it's nearly over. Ghost dad's disappearance and Deb's shooting could have been handled significantly better.

    Also I can't help but feel they missed an opportunity to have Mathews force Dexter to drink for six hours and then have Dexter attempt to hunt Saxon.

    Mildly interesting to have Prado's wife in the episode.
    FURET wrote: »
    As someone who loved Dexter for seasons 1 and 2, noted a drop in quality in season 3, a substantial drop in season 4 despite flashes of brilliance, and who despaired utterly at 5 and 6, only to be partially mollified by season 7 and reduced to despair again this season, I don't think that episode was half bad.

    I still think Dexter can get caught in the last episode. He dished the dirt on Saxon and I think Saxon will dish the dirt on him in the finale.

    I also liked the mention of Miguel, and I liked Saxon repeating word for word Dexter's lines from the pilot episode way back in season 1. It was an homage to better times.

    What will be interesting will be the recriminations that we'll here from producers after the finale airs. Someone will surely blame someone else for the fall in quality.

    Missed these. Can someone give me a rough estimate at what time they happened at, I really don't want to watch the whole thing again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    "I never thought this day would come, you don't need me anymore!"
    I'm not so sure Harry, you've offered nothing but sage advice this season.

    Having Dexter be "cured" by an attractive killer is a real disservice to all the innocent lives he ruined over the last few seasons because he didn't have a hot girlfriend(even though he did!!!). Doakes, Lyla, Rita, Miguel, Lundy, LaGuerta to name a few

    Also, is there anything to the title, or did they want to just highlight the most intelligently delivered line of dialogue in the episode?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    Remember scene's like this. What happened..



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Wow, they fairly bungled the scene of Deb getting shot. Between it and the equally horrendous moment with Harrison on the treadmill, it's not even like this show is good to look at, the direction is hamfisted & then some. Top to bottom the production of this drama is beyond amateur.

    I also admire how despite being a fugitive hunted by the Marshal service, and how said service would doubtless keep watch on all the airports, Hannah McPersonality Vacuum makes no attempt to conceal her identity. Maybe Strahovski has a clause in her contract that she wont' dye/cut/conceal her hair or something, but the basic narrative idiocies is a wonder to behold on this show. I seem to find myself wondering this a lot, but surely someone, somewhere in the production staff would have flagged this at some point.

    Oh hey look, Masuka and his daughter are still around in what has to be the most pointless and vestigial plotline on TV. What precisely was the purpose of this? God, it would have been interesting, if unoriginal, had they just went with Masuka's initial paranoia; that she had some ulterior, sinister motive, but nope! She's just hanging around being ditzy for ... some reason. I also feel sorry for David Zayas (Batista) because he must be looking back on all the juicy drama he got to work with in earlier seasons and wonder how he has been reduced to such a bit part. Same for the rest of the staff at Miami Metro, but the former Sergeant seems particularly ill-served.

    But I'm dancing around the most groundbreaking piece of news in the Dexter universe - so not only has Dexter been rebranded as a misunderstood hero & vigilante, possibly the most obnoxious change to a character in years, it now turns out that Love does indeed conquer all, not to mention cure psychosis. I'm at a loss as to where to even begin reacting to that.

    I kinda had high-hopes for this season really. I know Dexter has been in terminal decline for some time, but I maintained an optimism that for the last season the producers would simply go for broke; that knowing the end was nigh they'd simply have all the chickens come home to roost - that Dexter might finally become accountable for all that he's done (my own personal hope was that we would get a season-long manhunt, perhaps told in reverse, starting with the moment when Dexter is captured). Instead we get televisual milquetoast, a sequence of episodes so without drama, tension, stakes or even basic narrative & mythological coherence, it beggars belief that anyone in good conscience thought this was a natural end to the show. To then punctuate all this irrelevance with the 11th hour decision that Dexter can be cured with love feels like a final slap to the audience's faces.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,115 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Just some points from the episode.

    His nemesis comes to his house and asks for a truce. What kind of big bad enemy comes and try's to negotiate. Would a Lundy have done that no he is pathetic. How they could have this guy as his final nemesis is a joke.

    He captures him and his him ready to be killed. But decides to leave him go so he can go tell the cops about who Dexter is and what he has done that's genius. He can also tell them about Hannah but sure so what it's not like they don't need more people trying to stop them leaving the country.

    He let's Debra come get all the glory. It won't look suspicious at all she comes to an empty building and their he is. It won't be bad at all how she discovers him and he telling them about Dexter.

    Finally a federal martial can't identify a suspect who is plastered all over the news and City. It really it shocking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭11811


    Its actually painful to watch now, saw an episode from season 3 the other night on TV, the difference was like night and day. Massive plot holes, hammy acting and really shoddy direction - I wish I'd stopped watching at season 4.

    Also, you'd think at this stage of the season, at least one member of Miami Metro might suspect something. Wife was murdered few years ago, then some time later his next-door neighbor is killed, then an old friend of the family... not to mention the disappearance of his ex-girlfriends husband (which is never mentioned again, not unlike the step-kids) and the disappearance of a Kid that he was unofficially tailing. I know its TV and all, but that just pretty weak.

    Can't wait for it to end!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    I think the writers are just having a laugh at the audience at this stage.

    They probably let homeless guys on the street help them just for the kick of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Much better episode More like this Dexter writers. Oh wait, there is only one left. Seriously, much better episode, lot of goofs though. Dexter walking away from the kill WTF? I dont need to kill the wasp that flies into my office, but I do, because if i dont, it might sting me. Dex, he has threatened the lives of everyone you care about, you need to put him down and then wander off to Acapulco wasn't with no-one looking over your shoulder?
    So, it's Hannah's love that's cured Dexter of killing. That's fantastic. All those poor misunderstood psychopathic serial killers out there just need the love of a phenomenally attractive woman and they won't ever kill again.

    FYP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭maguic24


    FURET wrote: »
    As someone who loved Dexter for seasons 1 and 2, noted a drop in quality in season 3, a substantial drop in season 4 despite flashes of brilliance, and who despaired utterly at 5 and 6, only to be partially mollified by season 7 and reduced to despair again this season, I don't think that episode was half bad.

    I still think Dexter can get caught in the last episode. He dished the dirt on Saxon and I think Saxon will dish the dirt on him in the finale.

    I also liked the mention of Miguel, and I liked Saxon repeating word for word Dexter's lines from the pilot episode way back in season 1. It was an homage to better times.

    What will be interesting will be the recriminations that we'll here from producers after the finale airs. Someone will surely blame someone else for the fall in quality.

    You didn't like season 4?? :O I thought Trinity was brilliant, really enjoyed season 4 and then it just went down hill from there. Season 7 and 8, pure awful!!!!!! I miss Doakes, he was such a legend. :'(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Bugatti


    The kill room that Dexter had originally prepared for Oliver, where was it? Seemed to be a previous location Dexter had used but I dont remember it. Also if it was from an earlier season was there any significance to using it for Oliver?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    Bugatti wrote: »
    The kill room that Dexter had originally prepared for Oliver, where was it? Seemed to be a previous location Dexter had used but I dont remember it. Also if it was from an earlier season was there any significance to using it for Oliver?

    Was that in this episode or the last one?
    Anyway, if you're talking about the one I think you're talking about (which I think was in the last episode), it was the place where he killed the choir director guy from season 1 episode 1.
    The only significance I can think of was that it was a hamfisted attempt at storytelling by the writers/producers: a sort of recapitulatory "look how far we've come since then" type of thing. IIRC Ghost Dad and Dexter have some terrible dialogue that says as much. God it's bad.

    Also, I love how this is the 35th post in this thread, while the most recent Breaking Bad episode thread has over 800 in the same amount of time :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Bugatti


    Sinfonia wrote: »
    Was that in this episode or the last one?
    Anyway, if you're talking about the one I think you're talking about (which I think was in the last episode), it was the place where he killed the choir director guy from season 1 episode 1.
    The only significance I can think of was that it was a hamfisted attempt at storytelling by the writers/producers: a sort of recapitulatory "look how far we've come since then" type of thing. IIRC Ghost Dad and Dexter have some terrible dialogue that says as much. God it's bad.

    Also, I love how this is the 35th post in this thread, while the most recent Breaking Bad episode thread has over 800 in the same amount of time :P

    Yeah that was the episode! Watched 10 and 11 back to back so I was getting a bit mixed up with them!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭FURET


    maguic24 wrote: »
    You didn't like season 4?? :O I thought Trinity was brilliant, really enjoyed season 4 and then it just went down hill from there. Season 7 and 8, pure awful!!!!!! I miss Doakes, he was such a legend. :'(

    Of course Trinity was great -- but 4 was also the season where Dexter turned vigilante super hero and started doing stupid stuff in broad daylight. In essence it's where the rot took root. Rewatch "Road Kill", for example.

    The show jumped the shark entirely in season 5.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    Yeah, to be honest, Season 4 is remembered as a great season - and for many people the best season - but while the overall plot was great and the start and end of the season were fantastic, it seems to be largely forgotten that there was definitely a lull in the middle.
    I sometimes think that because John Lithgow was so so good in it, that if someone else had been cast, it might not be remembered as being so great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,660 ✭✭✭SDTimeout


    Jesus Chris.

    Aside from everything.

    What makes Dexter think Saxon WOULDN'T have told everybody everything he knows about him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭mel.b


    I'm a bit behind this week and only getting ready to watch Ep 11 now. I haven't read any of this thread, however my predicition for how it is going to end is that Dexter will caught for 'aiding and abetting a fugitive' thus proving Harry right saying he can't have it all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭spiritcrusher


    chops018 wrote: »
    Remember scene's like this. What happened..


    Christ, I had genuinely forgotten how good this show used to be. I actually watched that little clip thinking there's no way it'll be as good as I thought when I first watched that scene after all the rubbish and dilution of the character that has come since. But that really is a great scene, showing that at least the early seasons can still stand up.

    As for this week's episode, it's all basically been said alreadblablahblahyaddayaddayaddazzzetcetcetcandsoonandsoforth.... Looking forward to watching the final ever episode at some point next week when I've nothing else to do and in need of some mild distraction.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    I naturally assumed the marshal knew Saxon and was therefore in cahoots with him by letting him go, as it would be impossible for him not to know with Saxon all over the news. Was also wondering how why the marshal was even in that building, was only half watching it though.

    Glad it's all over next episode, shame though such a good series ended up this bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,693 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    I naturally assumed the marshal knew Saxon and was therefore in cahoots with him by letting him go, as it would be impossible for him not to know with Saxon all over the news. Was also wondering how why the marshal was even in that building, was only half watching it though.

    Glad it's all over next episode, shame though such a good series ended up this bad.

    He is closing in on Dexter and Deb, thinks Deb knows more about Hannah than she's letting on so decided to tail her to try get more information, voila, followed her there!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,780 ✭✭✭JohnK


    SDTimeout wrote: »
    What makes Dexter think Saxon WOULDN'T have told everybody everything he knows about him.

    To be fair, Dexter did leave his set of knives to implicate Saxon as the Bay Harbour Butcher, hence his comment something along the lines of giving him more credit than he deserves. Also, Dexter's headed to Argentina with a known killer so I don't imagine he's too concerned with what Saxon may say since even if Saxon spills everything and Dexter is identified as a killer in his own right he won't be coming back and they'll be on the run anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    Unlike the rest of you, I enjoyed some parts of this episode. Sure, it had it's absolutely horrific moments that feel into plot-holes so big, the Pacific Ridge has nothing on it (Hannah not being disguised when going to Hotel Reception, the Marshall freeing a wanted criminal etc.) However, it had it's moments

    Also, for people who praise Seasons 1-4 you actually have forgotten one of the most key parts of it. While Dexter was living a double-life to cover up any suspicions about him he did make a point of saying quite a few times that he wanted to be "normal" and have a normal life. Throughout the last two series' he has met someone who makes him see that it is possible, and he has gone through the change. Amazed everyone here missed that really. OK yes it could have been done better, but still, it's something!

    There were a few moments that gave me chills like in Seasons 1-4. I don't know why everyone is complaining about Saxon really, I enjoy him as a character and I like the actor who is playing him. The confrontation at Dexter's was quite good as well. He knows full well that Dexter will come for him and he doesn't want that. So he offers a truce. Again, one of the few things in this season that has made sense really!

    The bit where Deb helps Dex to catch Saxon is also something I quite enjoyed, as was the "discussion" in Saxon's kill room. Still wished he killed him though, it was kind of stupid. They could of had him realise he doesn't need to kill but still have him kill Saxon anyway because he had to! But sure the writer's haven't got a brain between them I suppose!

    All in all, not a bad episode. Also, to anyone who watches this after Breaking Bad you are going to have a bad time! Like, Breaking Bad now is better than Dexter Season 1. So don't compare them anymore please, it's kind of stupid


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 293 ✭✭GorillaRising


    mrkiscool2 wrote: »
    Also, for people who praise Seasons 1-4 you actually have forgotten one of the most key parts of it. While Dexter was living a double-life to cover up any suspicions about him he did make a point of saying quite a few times that he wanted to be "normal" and have a normal life. Throughout the last two series' he has met someone who makes him see that it is possible, and he has gone through the change. Amazed everyone here missed that really.

    Nobody's missed anything. Dexter is a psychopath. Psychopaths don't just meet people and then they're normal again, hence their condition.

    Part of the 'charm' of Dexter was that you knew he could never be normal, but you wanted to see him succeed both as the family man and as the righteous monster.

    Maybe you missed the many parts whereby as a psychopath he's overcome with a need to kill on many occasions? They all just disappeared when he met a hot blonde? Please.
    mrkiscool2 wrote: »
    There were a few moments that gave me chills like in Seasons 1-4. I don't know why everyone is complaining about Saxon really, I enjoy him as a character and I like the actor who is playing him. The confrontation at Dexter's was quite good as well. He knows full well that Dexter will come for him and he doesn't want that. So he offers a truce. Again, one of the few things in this season that has made sense really!

    Tell us about Saxon then? Apart from the fact that he's also a psychopath and Vogel's son...

    ..That's the problem - that's all we know about Saxon. He just came into out of nowhere with a half assed attempt at a back story - one that was told in about 5 minutes in one of the episodes. We don't really know him. We don't know what makes him tick really. He was just 'there' all of a sudden.

    There's no mystique, no games, no tension, no depth to the character - now compare Saxon to the Ice Truck Killer or Trinity.

    OK, yes we know why he cuts out the frontel lobe or whatever, but there's no consistency to his methods or victims.
    mrkiscool2 wrote: »
    The bit where Deb helps Dex to catch Saxon is also something I quite enjoyed, as was the "discussion" in Saxon's kill room. Still wished he killed him though, it was kind of stupid. They could of had him realise he doesn't need to kill but still have him kill Saxon anyway because he had to! But sure the writer's haven't got a brain between them I suppose!

    It seems Dexter feels he has no choice but to kill him alright, but he's often felt like this, but it usually co-existed with his urges - something that seems absent this time.
    mrkiscool2 wrote: »
    All in all, not a bad episode. Also, to anyone who watches this after Breaking Bad you are going to have a bad time! Like, Breaking Bad now is better than Dexter Season 1. So don't compare them anymore please, it's kind of stupid

    So because you say Breaking Bad is better than season 1 of Dexter we can't compare them? Nope.

    You see, I started watching Dexter when it first aired, as have many here I'm sure and saw the potential as to what this show could be. A lot of people have invested time and money in it and have a right to be p!ssed off at how bad it's become. Amazingly, it's worse than season 6. I thought it picked up last season (7) and we were headed for a grand finally.

    Who's to say it couldn't have been better or at least as good as Breaking Bad? I realise it sounds far-fetched in hindsight, but the basic plot of Dexter is brilliant and had it even continued where season 4 left off (in terms of writing), we could be watching eally interesting, tension filled developments in it's final season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,115 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    JohnK wrote: »
    To be fair, Dexter did leave his set of knives to implicate Saxon as the Bay Harbour Butcher, hence his comment something along the lines of giving him more credit than he deserves. Also, Dexter's headed to Argentina with a known killer so I don't imagine he's too concerned with what Saxon may say since even if Saxon spills everything and Dexter is identified as a killer in his own right he won't be coming back and they'll be on the run anyway.

    First of all they think they got the Bay Harbour Butcher the only person who believed Doakes was innocent is dead a set of knives won't change that. Also seems the Brain Surgeon murders only happened recently i am sure it would be fairly easy for them to find out he only moved their recently. Again it was just a lazy way by the writers to let him go.

    Why wouldn't Dexter be concerned Saxon staying alive endangers his sister who he cares so much about. If they do even for a minute think he is the bay harbour butcher Debra is in trouble. Saxon will say it was Dexter who kidnapped him and tell them about DExter. They see the knives and think back of all the people who accuses Dexter and how Deb had a breakdown and told Quinn she killed LaGuerta who was tracking Dexter.

    So he has Saxon their and all he has to do is what he has done all his life. Kill Saxon tie up all loose ends and leave the country. Instead he decides to let Saxon go so he can talk and make him a fugitive and Deb a suspected accomplice. Ye what a horrible horrible scene just makes a mockery of the fans who stuck with the show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,780 ✭✭✭JohnK


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    Why wouldn't Dexter be concerned Saxon staying alive endangers his sister who he cares so much about. If they do even for a minute think he is the bay harbour butcher Debra is in trouble. Saxon will say it was Dexter who kidnapped him and tell them about DExter. They see the knives and think back of all the people who accuses Dexter and how Deb had a breakdown and told Quinn she killed LaGuerta who was tracking Dexter.
    Saxon is a known and confirmed serial killer whereas Dexter and Deborah are respected members of the police force, one of which would have been the person who arrested Saxon so people would almost certainly ignore anything so outlandish that Saxon said about them. Even if the police did pay attention and think there might be something to it, there is absolutely no evidence tying either Dexter or Deborah to any murders. Deb's confession was only ever witnessed by Quinn who has every reason to say nothing since he's madly in love with her. So far as Quinn knows Deb would have no reason to kill LaGuerta as he never knew LaGuerta was tracking Dexter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭Walt Grace


    Saw this on the net elsewhere. Thought it was funny. And pretty accurate!

    Vogel: Dexter, I want you to kill the Brain Surgeon.
    Dexter: I don’t want to.
    Vogel: Please kill the Brain Surgeon.
    Dexter: I will kill the Brain Surgeon.

    Vogel: Kill all these serial killers.
    Dexter: Okay. I found one named Zach Hamilton. He will die.
    Vogel: Don’t kill Zach Hamilton.
    Dexter: I NEED to kill Zach Hamilton.
    Vogel: Don’t do it.
    Dexter: I will not kill Zach Hamilton. I will teach him the code!
    Vogel: Cool.
    Dexter: He cannot be taught the code! I must kill him!
    Vogel: Don’t.
    Dexter: My mistake. He’s cool. I’ll teach him the code again.

    Dexter: That guy you wanted me to kill wasn’t the Brain Surgeon. Instead, your SON is the Brain Surgeon! I will kill him!
    Vogel: Don’t kill my son the Brain Surgeon. All he ever did was kill my other son and threaten my life.
    Dexter: I NEED to kill him.
    Vogel. I know, but don’t.
    Dexter: Okay. (I’m really going to, though)
    Vogel. What a relief.
    Dexter. Look at this video of your son killing Zach Hamilton.
    Vogel. The horror! Dexter, please kill my son the Brain Surgeon.
    Dexter: Will do.

    Brain Surgeon: You picked Dexter over me! I will kill you AND Dexter!
    Dexter: Okay, now I REALLY need to kill Brain Surgeon!
    Brain Surgeon: Sorry Dexter. Can we forget all this if I buy your condo?
    Dexter: I don’t want to kill you, I want to bang my girlfriend.
    Brain Surgeon. Okay, thanks for letting me go.
    Dexter: Nope. I’m calling my sister right now to arrest you. Also, please don’t tell on me for my serial killing even though I told on you for all the brain surgery.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭IvaBigWun


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Wow, they fairly bungled the scene of Deb getting shot. Between it and the equally horrendous moment with Harrison on the treadmill, it's not even like this show is good to look at, the direction is hamfisted & then some. Top to bottom the production of this drama is beyond amateur.

    I also admire how despite being a fugitive hunted by the Marshal service, and how said service would doubtless keep watch on all the airports, Hannah McPersonality Vacuum makes no attempt to conceal her identity. Maybe Strahovski has a clause in her contract that she wont' dye/cut/conceal her hair or something, but the basic narrative idiocies is a wonder to behold on this show. I seem to find myself wondering this a lot, but surely someone, somewhere in the production staff would have flagged this at some point.

    Oh hey look, Masuka and his daughter are still around in what has to be the most pointless and vestigial plotline on TV. What precisely was the purpose of this? God, it would have been interesting, if unoriginal, had they just went with Masuka's initial paranoia; that she had some ulterior, sinister motive, but nope! She's just hanging around being ditzy for ... some reason. I also feel sorry for David Zayas (Batista) because he must be looking back on all the juicy drama he got to work with in earlier seasons and wonder how he has been reduced to such a bit part. Same for the rest of the staff at Miami Metro, but the former Sergeant seems particularly ill-served.

    But I'm dancing around the most groundbreaking piece of news in the Dexter universe - so not only has Dexter been rebranded as a misunderstood hero & vigilante, possibly the most obnoxious change to a character in years, it now turns out that Love does indeed conquer all, not to mention cure psychosis. I'm at a loss as to where to even begin reacting to that.

    I kinda had high-hopes for this season really. I know Dexter has been in terminal decline for some time, but I maintained an optimism that for the last season the producers would simply go for broke; that knowing the end was nigh they'd simply have all the chickens come home to roost - that Dexter might finally become accountable for all that he's done (my own personal hope was that we would get a season-long manhunt, perhaps told in reverse, starting with the moment when Dexter is captured). Instead we get televisual milquetoast, a sequence of episodes so without drama, tension, stakes or even basic narrative & mythological coherence, it beggars belief that anyone in good conscience thought this was a natural end to the show. To then punctuate all this irrelevance with the 11th hour decision that Dexter can be cured with love feels like a final slap to the audience's faces.

    Great piece. If you dont write for a living you should.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭gnfnrhead


    One episode to go and I honestly couldn't care less.


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