Need help with what to buy for long range wifi

$ausage$

Hi

Basically I need to get a wifi signal for a club house but for two football pitches away. I have no power where I need it so looking for any ideas. What I want to start doing is streaming games and 3G is not an option so wondering what I need. I have a draytek router at the min that gives me a decent signal in and about 5 meters around the club house.

Any and all ideas welcome.

Thanks

The Glass Key

Where have you got power? You haven't said exactly where the Draytec router is located?

$ausage$

The Glass Key wrote: »

Where have you got power? You haven't said exactly where the Draytec router is located?

Oh sorry. Basically we have the club house say at the top of a picture with the router and all power and then 2 pitch lengths away is where I would need wifi. At the point I need signal there will be no power just me a camera and a laptop.

smee again

2 pitches away you need a proper point to point link

$ausage$

smee again wrote: »

2 pitches away you need a proper point to point link

Pants.

So a cantenna and directional wouldn't work?

smee again

$ausage$ wrote: »

Pants.

So a cantenna and directional wouldn't work?

Doubtful, most likely just get lots of noise if it's a built up area. You could try an outdoor directional AP like a Nanostation M2, but you really need to be using a pair of them in a proper point to point link (and to get over the 2,4Ghz noise problem you really should be using the 5Ghz ones).
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-M2-NSM2-CPE-Outdoor-Worldwide-Version-/130881006037?pt=COMP_EN_Routers&hash=item1e791da9d5

$ausage$

smee again wrote: »

Doubtful, most likely just get lots of noise if it's a built up area. You could try an outdoor directional AP like a Nanostation M2, but you really need to be using a pair of them in a proper point to point link (and to get over the 2,4Ghz noise problem you really should be using the 5Ghz ones).
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-M2-NSM2-CPE-Outdoor-Worldwide-Version-/130881006037?pt=COMP_EN_Routers&hash=item1e791da9d5

So can I power one of them off say a PCMCIA card?

smee again

$ausage$ wrote: »

So can I power one of them off say a PCMCIA card?

No, it needs 18v power over ethernet. It goes as an external access point at the club house. If it's a built up area you're wasting your time trying to do it in 2.4Ghz TBH as every household router in the area will interfere

The Glass Key

Just a decent outdoor directional antenna at the router end will do the job but it will need mounting up above head height. If the OP is outside 2 pitches away and the routers antenna is outside it will easy to a couple of pitch lengths. My similar setup works day in and day out at a range of 250m and I've tested it up to 600m and while there is an obvious performance hit at that range it still works. If the OP needs the wireless inside at the second location then a cheap wireless access point mounted with its normal antenna outside should work - tested here OK at 250m.

First off on a dry day run out some power for the router and put it up high on some ladders or similar then wander off and see if you can keep a connection to the routes config webpage. See how far away you can get. I find Windows 2 bars strength is good enough to connect back to the internet reliably. If you can keep the router connected whatever its normally used for so you can test any feature you want then all the better.

At the router end I use an antenna like this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/24Ghz-Wireless-14dbi-Outdoor-Flat-WiFi-Directional-Antenna-F-Router-Weatherproof-/250995566344 .

$ausage$

$ausage$ wrote: »

So can I power one of them off say a PCMCIA card?

No not a house about. 18v I wonder is my car booster will do it's has a 18v or even use my car as the power supply and just have an inverter.

$ausage$

Just saw this and a review say he gets wifi 150ft away. Anyone used one of these before?

http://www.maplin.co.uk/compact-high-gain-directional-corner-antenna-for-wireless-networks-38205

$ausage$

I dont know why but I just bought this.

Well at least it will give me something to do this weekend

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160395634189?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

trad

What about buying a 100m roll of Cat 5 cable and hard wiring your laptop direct to the router. I reckon you'd get better signal quality than flakey wifi.

What software are you using to stream the game?

$ausage$

UStream, It was so random I as posting the game up on FB on a pic saying it was starting soon and then one of our old playins in Australia said it was a shame you cant stream. so i googled it downloaded the app and streamed about 6 minutes over 3g.

Shocking quality but was fun for him non the less. It als killed my phone battery!

So after some pints in the club house and a chat i woke up Sunday with a email receipt for a camcorder and a platform to record off of at a height. so i though Jesus I better get some wifi sorted.

Hence we are here today. Next home game not till 5th of October so plenty of time at least

$ausage$

trad wrote: »

What about buying a 100m roll of Cat 5 cable and hard wiring your laptop direct to the router. I reckon you'd get better signal quality than flakey wifi.

What software are you using to stream the game?

Sorry only saw your 100m bit there now. Yeh was thinking taht only it would be prob 250 meters so was thinking of having a extension cable beside it and a switch or repeater then but just seamed to be too much hassle as it would be on the main walking route also. But I might yet go down that route.

trad

Here's some top end gear for streaming over 3G/4G
http://www.teradek.com/pages/bond?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=banner&utm_content=bond&utm_campaign=bond

Here's some interesting reading material on live streaming setup
http://www.streamfoundations.com/1044/how-to-live-stream-101-a-complete-beginner-guide

It's a beginners guide and written in plain English not tech speak

GarIT

Just sp everyone knows a football pitch is probably somewhere between 100m and 110m, add two of them together and the space between and you have 250 easily. That's as the crow flies, add in the cable has to go around things it could be up to 350-400m.

There are legal limits on how strong WiFi signals and antennas can be and im fairly sure that antenna breaks them.

trad

Never played rugby so wouldn't know the length of one, For some reason I had a notion of 2 pitches being side by side.

You could bring the router to the laptop (pitch side) with a power supply and run a telephone cable back to a phone socket in the club house.

smee again

It's doubtful you'll be able to do this with a single device. Get 2x nanostations and a 12V battery, a Nanostation will happily run on 12V on full battery. If you're getting a pair get M5's.

$ausage$

GarIT wrote: »

There are legal limits on how strong WiFi signals and antennas can be and im fairly sure that antenna breaks them.

But dosent that make it even cooler??? Its just that it has US firmware. There are no birds nests or any one going to be in the direction as it will be mounted on a flood light.

$ausage$

smee again wrote: »

It's doubtful you'll be able to do this with a single device. Get 2x nanostations and a 12V battery, a Nanostation will happily run on 12V on full battery. If you're getting a pair get M5's.

A nano station? ok never heard of it. I will look into it. But prob monday when this new purchase dosent work

I have resorted to using my car and an inverter for power now so not too worried about power now.

$ausage$

trad wrote: »

Never played rugby so wouldn't know the length of one, For some reason I had a notion of 2 pitches being side by side.

You could bring the router to the laptop (pitch side) with a power supply and run a telephone cable back to a phone socket in the club house.

I coudl yes but to be honest the hassle it would cause would not be worth it!

sorry yes there are end to end and a slight dog leg away from the club house

$ausage$

trad wrote: »

Here's some top end gear for streaming over 3G/4G
http://www.teradek.com/pages/bond?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=banner&utm_content=bond&utm_campaign=bond

Here's some interesting reading material on live streaming setup
http://www.streamfoundations.com/1044/how-to-live-stream-101-a-complete-beginner-guide

It's a beginners guide and written in plain English not tech speak

Great thanks! Ill get reading!

$ausage$

Just a FYI

trad

Bring the mountain to Mohmad

Move the match to the nearer pitch and shoot the video stream from the clubhouse window.

$ausage$

trad wrote: »

Bring the mountain to Mohmad

Move the match to the nearer pitch and shoot the video stream from the clubhouse window.

Oh if only google maps could show the crator size holes in that pitch!

We are raising the money to fix it but as we train on it and in the wet as its the only flood lit pitch the bottom pitch is alway better quality and alot flatter!

So i cant see that happening any time soon.

smee again

$ausage$ wrote: »

A nano station? ok never heard of it. I will look into it. But prob monday when this new purchase dosent work

I have resorted to using my car and an inverter for power now so not too worried about power now.

A Nanostation is the Ubiquiti Nanostation i posted earlier
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-M2-NSM2-CPE-Outdoor-Worldwide-Version-/130881006037?pt=COMP_EN_Routers&hash=item1e791da9d5

If you're using 2 of them get the M5's as they are 5Ghz and less likely to have interference problems
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-M5-NSM5-CPE-Outdoor-14dBi-US-Version-/140973806703?pt=COMP_EN_Routers&hash=item20d2b1946f

$ausage$

smee again wrote: »

A Nanostation is the Ubiquiti Nanostation i posted earlier
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-M2-NSM2-CPE-Outdoor-Worldwide-Version-/130881006037?pt=COMP_EN_Routers&hash=item1e791da9d5

If you're using 2 of them get the M5's as they are 5Ghz and less likely to have interference problems
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-M5-NSM5-CPE-Outdoor-14dBi-US-Version-/140973806703?pt=COMP_EN_Routers&hash=item20d2b1946f

Thanks for this I will defo look at this next week if the other options dont work!

aidanki

smee again wrote: »

A Nanostation is the Ubiquiti Nanostation i posted earlier
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-M2-NSM2-CPE-Outdoor-Worldwide-Version-/130881006037?pt=COMP_EN_Routers&hash=item1e791da9d5

If you're using 2 of them get the M5's as they are 5Ghz and less likely to have interference problems
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-M5-NSM5-CPE-Outdoor-14dBi-US-Version-/140973806703?pt=COMP_EN_Routers&hash=item20d2b1946f

is the scope of IP cameras not much more limited with 5GHz as most are manufactured for 2.4GHz

smee again

aidanki wrote: »

is the scope of IP cameras not much more limited with 5GHz as most are manufactured for 2.4GHz

That's why you use 2x 5Ghz devices to make a point to point link then use ethernet to plug in the IP camera

$ausage$

Hi All!

So I got home today to the package. Its alot smaller than I would have thought but looks well built! I live in the sticks so i would be suprised if i found any wifi networks out here. I dont find any bar my own on my phone or my laptop but whne i plugged this in i found two BT routers god know where. I didnt install any special software just attached the USB to a xp machine and quickly scanned it round my room.

I am going down to the club tomorrow at 9am and was wondering if any of you guys have any programs that you would like to see me use or test this on. I will prob put picks up tomorrow as im a bit lazy today having set up some pi's for my bro.

Anyway Talk soon!

$ausage$

Sorry only putting this up now as I am a bit hungover.

anyway The Antenna is a dream! It is smaller than i thought which means its hand to transport and a USB cable comes is great length. The tripod is ok but not built to support somthing that is so front heavy. I ccan see me mounting it another way.

Anyway I went to the field and stuck it out the door of my car a bang! I was getting networks from everywhere including myown.

I got between 40-81 MBS speeds and found the best way to hold the antenna is with the USB to the top (On its side)

I think this will do what i need now so I dont think I need anymore help. Thsi was a super cheap way of doing this and a great chance I took. I am super happy with this and would really recommend it so far.

Thanks!

dublinmanman

Hi all.

I install cameras for farmers in their sheds.
Usually the setup is a 3G Dovado Tiny router with data sim card.
These routers have 1 ethernet lan cable connection and 1 antenna.
I usually connect a wireless IP camera to the router.
I setup port forwarding in the router and get a dynamic ip address from no-ip.com.
The farmer can then login to their camera from iphone, android etc.

Now here's my problem.

farmer wants 3 ip cameras in shed. Farmer also want's to access internet in the house. House to shed is 300m. Line of sight is good with no obstacles.
3G reception is better in the house so dovado modem will be placed there.
I was thinking of using a tp-link directional antenna to send the wifi up to the shed. The problem is that I will loose the antenna on the router if I screw the directional antenna wire into the back of the router. Farmer will then have no wifi in house ( I need a solution for this?????????)
Also, I was going to place another tp-llink antenna on the shed to "receive" the wifi. What do I do from here????????

The wireless ip cameras may not work wirelessly as there is galvanise sheeting in various places and I may need go bring cat 5 cable from each camera back to the central point.
I would intend allowing the customer access to the cameras via a dynamic dns or no-ip so each camera will have to be accessed over the system
e.g.
camera1.no-ip.biz
camera2.no-ip.biz etc.....

I am new to this and thought my eureka moment was allowing someone to see their camera on their phone!
I'm in over my head and I would greatly appreciate any suggestions that people could make regarding what's the best hardware to use and how to set it up.
Thanks in advance

Martin