Nilesat on 1.8metre dish

ISAA

Find some test results from nilesat 7west in Donegal.
we have also tried the JSC sports channels from the Internet, and works great.

https://www.facebook.com/ISAA.ie

tapfit2004

I'm definitely going to try my 1.5m in carlow so. What lnb are you using?

irishchris

ISAA wrote: »

Find some test results from nilesat 7west in Donegal.
we have also tried the JSC sports channels from the Internet, and works great.

https://www.facebook.com/ISAA.ie

What snr percentage did you get on jsc sport hd?

ISAA

tapfit2004 wrote: »

I'm definitely going to try my 1.5m in carlow so. What lnb are you using?

Check out ISAA photo's on facebook site, 1.8 metre is back dish with LNB and feed horn

STB

ISAA wrote: »

Check out ISAA photo's on facebook site, 1.8 metre is back dish with LNB and feed horn

This include 201 ? What times of the day ?

At those db levels presumably rain would wipe this out.

ISAA

STB wrote: »

This include 201 ? YES What times of the day ? ALL DAY

At those db levels presumably rain would wipe this out.

NO

ISAA

I found you need a real sat metre, as 8 west very close, and can cause issues alinging antenna, (beam width of antenna)
LNB also very important, cheap LNB's lose major signal, major loss without correct feed horn.

Just like the old days, you need to know what you are doing.:D

STB

Thanks Gerry.

Didnt realise you were getting 68 dBμV. What type meter do you use ?

Would be interested what that drops to in wet weather conditions.

Being in the extreme south reception would be even better, yet I still cant imagine (getting away with) sticking a Channel Master in the back garden.

ISAA

STB wrote: »

Thanks Gerry.

Didnt realise you were getting 68 dBμV. What type meter do you use ?

Would be interested what that drops to in wet weather conditions.

Being in the extreme south reception would be even better, yet I still cant imagine (getting away with) sticking a Channel Master in the back garden.

Just proves trying is beliving. I'm in the worst position in Ireland, so possible 24/7 reception with the right installation, and equipment.
The footprint states mid Spain ? happy aligning.

ISAA

STB wrote: »

Thanks Gerry.

Didnt realise you were getting 68 dBμV. What type meter do you use ?

Would be interested what that drops to in wet weather conditions.

Being in the extreme south reception would be even better, yet I still cant imagine (getting away with) sticking a Channel Master in the back garden.

(with the wife or neighbours )

STB

Both Gerry, both.

Herself would definitely notice it.

ISAA

More photo's on facebook site of nilesat.

mohailem

what lnb you using ,gerry?
1.5 will do? south wll be better reception is think

ISAA

Inverto type, with channel master feed horn.
1.5 prime focus or offset ?

mohailem

ISAA wrote: »

Inverto type, with channel master feed horn.
1.5 prime focus or offset ?

appreciated your reply gerry
my dish 1.5 offset ,smart lnb.
pointed to arabsat badr 26e at the moment 52% mbc`s but no signal for aljazeera sport 12341 at all.
wandering if i can get any signal from nilesat 7w with above options?

ISAA

No signal from 26 east for jsc sports, with 1.8 metre.

BPH

Anyone here from Clare who can pick up Al Jazeera Sports ? What size dish are you using ???

GY A1

tapfit2004 wrote: »

I'm definitely going to try my 1.5m in carlow so. What lnb are you using?

hi did u have a try

BPH

Nothing done, thinking of setting it up but unsure of what size dish to get. I've read on here some lads have a 1m dish and can pick up Al Jazeera fine. I'm very new to this so I don't really know what's what. I'd have no problem installing a 1m dish but 1.5m is a bit too much I'm afraid. I'll stick with sky sports for another while until I suss this out further.

iba

BPH wrote: »

Nothing done, thinking of setting it up but unsure of what size dish to get. I've read on here some lads have a 1m dish and can pick up Al Jazeera fine. I'm very new to this so I don't really know what's what. I'd have no problem installing a 1m dish but 1.5m is a bit too much I'm afraid. I'll stick with sky sports for another while until I suss this out further.

Al Jazeera 1 -4 can be picked up on Hotbird but not the Al Jazerra stations that show EPL (I'm guessing that you are talking about EPL because you mentioned Sky Sports) on Nilesat and Arabsat.

In other words, the Al Jazeera stations that can be picked up in Ireland generally do not show EPL

Satellite
Frequency
Orbit
Symbol Rate
FEC
Polarity
Remarks
Arabsat
12034
26 E
27500
3/4
Horizontal

Aljazeera Arabic , Documentry , English , Mubasher , Mubasher Misr , Sport 1

Arabsat
11862
26 E
27500
3/4
Vertical

Sports News

Arabsat
12341
26 E
27500
3/4
Horizontal

sport Channels +6, +7, +8, +9 & +10

Arabsat
11334
26 E
27500
3/4
Vertical

Aljazeera Arabic , Documentry , English , Mubasher , Mubasher Misr, Aljazeera America

Arabsat
12379
26 E
27500
3/4
Horizontal

Sport Channels +1, +2, +3, +4, & +5

Satellite
Frequency
Orbit
Symbol Rate
FEC
Polarity
Remarks
Hotbird
11296
13 E
27500
3/4
Horizontal

AJS +1, +2, +3, +4, JSC Sports News, JSC Sports Global

Hotbird
12111
13 E
27500
3/4
Vertical

Aljazeera Arabic , Documentry, Mubasher

Hotbird
11034
13 E
27500
3/4
Vertical

Aljazeera English

Hotbird
12245
13 E
27500
3/4
Horizontal

Sport Global

Hotbird
11095
13 E
29900
2/3
Horizontal

Bein Sport 1 (DVb-S2)

Hotbird
11117
13 E
27500
3/4
Vertical

JSC Sport Events


http://sat.aljazeera.net/en/frequencies.aspx?satelliteid=qDBSWR4T8ow%3d&countryid=fN2QaAI2has%3d

http://jsc-cards.com/order/frequency.html

Hope the above helps you understand a little more and I'm correct iin what I'm writing.

Regards

Finne1993

I took the plunge and got a 1.8 offset dish, inverto ultra LNB, I have the pole up, in the middle of aligning the dish now (it's very cold!) I'm looking for Nilesat, I got 1w no problem, just to have it as a guide so I know I'm pretty close, I'm having no joy in picking up Nilesat just yet, how much, if any difference in elevation is there between 1w and 7w? Would any skew on the LNB help? If i put any skew on 1w it puts it way out.
What would be the strongest frequency to try to get a signal? I've tried a few different ones that I've found in searches on the net?
I'm in North Louth btw, any help would be greatly appreciated folks, thanks

Finne1993

I got a signal of 40% quality on jsc sport 1,2 and global, the elevation on my bracket seems to be an issue, I'm gonna give up for the night and turn it around in the morning and go again, a bit of messing about with the LNB position helped also. If anyone has any tips on improving the signal quality in the meantime I'll greatly appreciate it!

irishchris

Finne1993 wrote: »

I got a signal of 40% quality on jsc sport 1,2 and global, the elevation on my bracket seems to be an issue, I'm gonna give up for the night and turn it around in the morning and go again, a bit of messing about with the LNB position helped also. If anyone has any tips on improving the signal quality in the meantime I'll greatly appreciate it!

Keep us updated mate. But keep an eye on elevation and lnb skew

Finne1993

Ok, I'm getting a strong enough signal now, on my meter it's showing up as around 38-40% on the fta jsc channels, once I hook the dish up to the receiver (technomate 5402HD) the signal is showing at 58-60% which is pretty strong, problem is I'm not scanning in HD5 & HD6, HD1-HD4 are scanning fine and I can watch them with no break up, the fta AD Sport frequency is next to the HD6 one and its blasting in at 64%. Problem I have is that my metre is only DVB-S and not S2 so I'm having difficulty outside! Is there any other frequency I can try out so I could tweak the signal a bit more so I could get HD6?
I'm very close but not close enough!

Finne1993

Got it!! Major amount of messing about with the LNB Bracket but I now have HD5, HD6 and JSC Sports news coming in at 63% quality! When I get it all tightened up and tidied up ill post some pictures of the set up! Patience is the key!

loughside

Finne1993 wrote: »

Got it!! Major amount of messing about with the LNB Bracket but I now have HD5, HD6 and JSC Sports news coming in at 63% quality! When I get it all tightened up and tidied up ill post some pictures of the set up! Patience is the key!

Hi finne, surprised you got that! Could you tell us the make of dish?

I`m just north of Newry and i`d like to think its possible here?!!

GY A1

Finne1993 wrote: »

Got it!! Major amount of messing about with the LNB Bracket but I now have HD5, HD6 and JSC Sports news coming in at 63% quality! When I get it all tightened up and tidied up ill post some pictures of the set up! Patience is the key!

great work,
fair play for sticking at it

Finne1993

loughside wrote: »

Hi finne, surprised you got that! Could you tell us the make of dish?

I`m just north of Newry and i`d like to think its possible here?!!

I got it in Satworld in Dublin, €350 but they will not deliver it and won't take a card payment over the phone. You'll need to get someone you know and trust to collect it because it comes unboxed and it can't get any dents at all on it. It's a very sturdy and strong dish, brackets are all galvanised, you'll need a pole 4-5 inches wide and buried at least 3 foot into the ground with at least a wheelbarrow of concrete around it.
An Inverto Ultra LNB is a must, I got both a single and a quad, the single worked better as the neck is longer and it needed all of the elevation of the LNB although I'm going to modify the LNB bracket as I need a quad working on it.

It's so precise though, I've spent 5 or 6 hours in total at the alignment part of it, never mind the pole and wiring bit! It's well worth it in the end, I took a chance on it working and thankfully it's worked out! I'm getting 68% quality on the HD6 transponder now!

loughside

Could you give us a starting frequency (strongest)?
Have a friend with one of those oldish ex-bookies dish, around 2 or 2.2 mtr so can test.

Finne1993

loughside wrote: »

Could you give us a starting frequency (strongest)?
Have a friend with one of those oldish ex-bookies dish, around 2 or 2.2 mtr so can test.

I used the FTA jsc channels as a guide,
12245
V
27500
3/4.

When I initially got the signal on my meter it read only 28-30% but with a lot of tweaking with the LNB and the LNB holder I got it up to 54% on the meter, barely a reading came through on the HD1-HD6 channels but once hooked up to the TM-5402 I got a 66-68% reading on all of the HD transponders, funnily enough though I can't get any of the +1 - +10 channels!

I currently have a sub that was working fine on hotbird, its due to expire at the end of the month. The HD1 & HD2 channels are clearing with it at the minute, I'm after purchasing a renewal for the full package on jsc cards for €120 so hopefully the signal is sent by the morning and I'll have full package of HD channels.

ISAA

Just check up here in donegal, 1.8 metre channel master, break up but watchable signal, all jsc channels 1,2,3,4,5,6 HD.

loughside

well if your getting it up in donegal then it should be more than possible here in south down??
would be interested to know what receivers you`re using, they must have decent tuners.

ISAA

loughside wrote: »

well if your getting it up in donegal then it should be more than possible here in south down??
would be interested to know what receivers you`re using, they must have decent tuners.

Linix based rx.

Finne1993

I got my sub upgraded, all HD channels working fine, no break up at all, its blowing a gale here and showers are coming and going, signal varying between 68-69%. I checked it earlier at 12 o clock and it dropped to 63% but no impact on the picture, I've yet to see a glitch, hopefully I wont either!
So a big success, next job is to try to get a quad LNB working on it, that might be awkward but I'm in no rush, certainly not in this weather anyway!

Finne1993

Just after looking up the Al Jazeera listings site and 4 of the 5 3pm's on Saturday are listed to be online only, I hope this isn't a sign of things to come! :mad:

tapfit2004

Finne1993 wrote: »

Just after looking up the Al Jazeera listings site and 4 of the 5 3pm's on Saturday are listed to be online only, I hope this isn't a sign of things to come! :mad:

I've seen this before.

Their listings website is not great when it comes to telling us which channel is showing what. You will know that they are showing it....just not where its on.

loughside

Well done Finne!

I think this is supposed to be the Middle East beam as well!

lertsnim

Envy here. Would love to have a go at this myself but different factors prevent it sadly

tapfit2004 wrote: »

I've seen this before.

Their listings website is not great when it comes to telling us which channel is showing what. You will know that they are showing it....just not where its on.

Not great is being kind

IrishHomer

Is love to know how the 1.8m dish performed with the AJS channels over the past weekend?

Finne1993

IrishHomer wrote: »

Is love to know how the 1.8m dish performed with the AJS channels over the past weekend?

Only match that was shown on Saturday at 3pm was the Arsenal V Southampton match, all other live SKY and BT matches were on no problem, Richard Keys the presenter, Andy Gray and Liam Brady among the panelists. No break ups, not even a glitch, now, the weather was fine to be honest, but it saw through high winds and pretty heavy showers last week with no issues.
I'm not all that bothered about the 3pm situation, they still show one a week, I have Diema and Nova Bulgaria as well and they seem to showing different 3pms most weeks.
Full package of Sky HD + BT/Setanta = €1320 EVERY year, whereas my dish, pole, LNB, TM HD receiver and 1 years sub to JSC cost less than €700 and only around €150 every year after this. Even if I only get a year out of this I've saved money!

radiowaves

Finne1993 wrote: »

I'm not all that bothered about the 3pm situation, they still show one a week, I have Diema and Nova Bulgaria as well and they seem to showing different 3pms most weeks.
!

Diema/Nova's 3pm match used to be Fulham, no matter what other match was being played.

However, not only were they not allowed to show their different match (Fulham v Swansea) last Saturday, they didn't even show the one "authorised" by the Premier League (Arsenal v Southampton) - replacing the scheduled football with an ancient movie/boxing respectively.

Going forward it appears that just one match will offered for broadcast to all providers.

Whether Diema/Nova are in the same situation as Fox Italia (forbidden to show a 3pm altogether, or whether they didn't want to annoy their subscribers by putting on a different match to the one featuring Berbatov, is as yet unclear.

However, their respective websites are listing Fulham's match again for 3pm this Saturday, so it's a little bit of wait and see.

Finne1993

It was possibly too good to be true! Lot of break up tonight especially on HD5 & 6. Signal dropped as low as 57% and it seems whenever the signal on my TM drops below 60% it starts breaking up. Since I put the 1.8m dish up I was getting around 63% in the early afternoon and it went up to around 68% later in the evening. Every day was the same.
Weather conditions are fine here, couldn't be calmer and a clear night too.

Is there anyone else experiencing signal quality issues with Nilesat or is it just me? I'm after spending an hour checking everything and tried to re-align the dish but no Improvement.
It's so frustrating! I hope they haven't weakened the signal in light of all these changes regarding 3pms etc.

dxhound2005

Two years ago I scanned in 107 channels on my 1.1 m dish, very weak signals. My dish was not perfectly aligned this last while so I got a new motor last Saturday and I was expecting to see something on 7 West. But nothing there strong enough to scan. The dish is well aligned now as I am getting two of the Nordic beam tp's on 4.8 East which I haven't been able to get for a while. So I think the footprint on 7 West is not as favourable as it was back then.

I was going to suggest when you were setting up on 1 West that 5 West would be better from our location or 8 West would be even better. There is no broadcasting on 8 West on the European beam but there is a very strong 15.5 dB data signal on 12627 V 1481 3/4. Could you use that to align the dish perfectly before going back to 7 West, since they are so close?

Finne1993

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Two years ago I scanned in 107 channels on my 1.1 m dish, very weak signals. My dish was not perfectly aligned this last while so I got a new motor last Saturday and I was expecting to see something on 7 West. But nothing there strong enough to scan. The dish is well aligned now as I am getting two of the Nordic beam tp's on 4.8 East which I haven't been able to get for a while. So I think the footprint on 7 West is not as favourable as it was back then.

I was going to suggest when you were setting up on 1 West that 5 West would be better from our location or 8 West would be even better. There is no broadcasting on 8 West on the European beam but there is a very strong 15.5 dB data signal on 12627 V 1481 3/4. Could you use that to align the dish perfectly before going back to 7 West, since they are so close?

I'll certainly give it a try, I got either 450 or 650 channels when I ran a blind scan the first time I got a signal, i cant remember which it was. I think it's quite possible that Al Jazeera weakened the signal because there are other transponders quite close that I'm still getting a 75% signal on.
I used the fta jsc transponder as my guide initially and got the signal up to 54/55% on my meter, but tonight it wouldn't go over 48% no matter how much I tweaked the LNB or the dish. I'll sleep on it now and first thing in the morning I'll spend an hour or 2 at it.
Thanks for the advice, hopefully I'll get it sorted.

abarkie

Ok for me based in UK this morning

HD6 a bit low as is normal

Will check again tonight

abarkie

Hi

Updated as below :

HD 6 - 46%
HD 5 - 46%
HD 1 - 49%
HD 2 to HD - 48% to 50%

thanks

Finne1993

abarkie wrote: »

Hi

Updated as below :

HD 6 - 46%
HD 5 - 46%
HD 1 - 49%
HD 2 to HD - 48% to 50%

thanks

How do those figures compare to what it's usually like for you? I go by the ones I get on the Technomate receiver, if it drops below 60% break up starts, below 57% it's gone altogether. I spent a bit of time at it today, it's fine tonight, 62% but that won't be good enough during the day. Last week when I set it up I was getting 67-68% at night and 62-63% during the day, I'm just missing that last couple of percent, hopefully I'll get it tomorrow, very frustrating, I thought I had it all sorted last week!

martin12

@Finne1993

I just had a look at the pictures of your dish setup you will get better results with a Raven offset feedhorn with Single Inverto or Invacom C120 flange LNB

ISAA

Finne1993 wrote: »

It was possibly too good to be true! Lot of break up tonight especially on HD5 & 6. Signal dropped as low as 57% and it seems whenever the signal on my TM drops below 60% it starts breaking up. Since I put the 1.8m dish up I was getting around 63% in the early afternoon and it went up to around 68% later in the evening. Every day was the same.
Weather conditions are fine here, couldn't be calmer and a clear night too.

Is there anyone else experiencing signal quality issues with Nilesat or is it just me? I'm after spending an hour checking everything and tried to re-align the dish but no Improvement.
It's so frustrating! I hope they haven't weakened the signal in light of all these changes regarding 3pms etc.

This has been happening to me since I first set up the system
Last week strong winds, very heavy rain, and all HD 1 -6 prefect, next day all gone.

Depends on a number of factors.

Finne1993

martin12 wrote: »

@Finne1993

I just had a look at the pictures of your dish setup you will get better results with a Raven offset feedhorn with Single Inverto or Invacom C120 flange LNB

Thats funny you wrote that Martin, I'm after spending the last 3-4 hours on the net reading up on feedhorns! Thanks for that advice, I have one ordered, In the meantime I'm going to try and get the signal back to what it was last week, I'll spend a few hours at it tomorrow and if I have no joy I'll just wait for the feedhorn and sort it next week!

I was watching HD6 all night and it was fine apart from a 5 or 10 minute spell around 12 o clock when it was losing signal but its still fine at around 60%. It will definitely be gone at lunchtime tomorrow if those figures are anything to go by.

Finne1993

ISAA wrote: »

This has been happening to me since I first set up the system
Last week strong winds, very heavy rain, and all HD 1 -6 prefect, next day all gone.

Depends on a number of factors.

It was fine for me right up until Wednesday night, I was watching it regularly last week (Wednesday and Thursday) and right through the weekend, day and night and there were differing weather conditions and it had no effect on it at all. A feedhorn should make some difference, all I am using is a Black Ultra single at the minute, I just need that extra 2-3% and that should lock it in permanent (I Hope!)

I notice you have a feedhorn on yours, it would be interesting to see if there's much difference on your signal if you used a black ultra and then swap back over to the feedhorn?