solid fuel stoves

triggerharvey

well folks I have a solid fuel stove that is not throwing out much heat what do ye think is the problem?

loveta

have you it lit?? :0)

iverjohnston

what make and model, what are you burning in it, and was it a DIY install? chimney clear?

tabby aspreme

What size/make is it, is it a boiler type , is it new , what are you burning in it

triggerharvey

its a mulberry beckett with a backboiler I am burning top quality turf and yes I have it lit loveta you ejit

iverjohnston

what is the output into the room like if you turn off all the radiators
? how many rads attached?

triggerharvey

even with rads of still not great I was thinking it might need a good cleaning out

Guest0000

It's the age old fault of the open fire, and undersized back boiler, the boiler will draw the heat first, with only a small amount of heat going to the room, only in the region of 19000btu in this case, which equated to two five foot double radiators, and these figures are usually based on optimum performance, fired with coal.

Sam Kade

Bit late now but you should have went with a boru carraig mor.

vertico

Sam Kade wrote: »

Bit late now but you should have went with a boru carraig mor.

Agree, carraig mor. Nice and toasty with plenty if hot water and rads

tabby aspreme

Is there enough heat in turf for any boiler stove

bbam

Turf is the problem I'd say.
It's only luke warm in an open fire. But with a back boiler it just won't have the heat.
Get some good timber and some polish coal. You'll have heat then.

Sam Kade

bbam wrote: »

Turf is the problem I'd say.
It's only luke warm in an open fire. But with a back boiler it just won't have the heat.
Get some good timber and some polish coal. You'll have heat then.

There's a fella selling UK coal on donedeal he is delivering with an attic around Ireland. You have to take a pallet 40 bags €265 tonne I wonder is it any good? 1.6 tonne is a bit much if you end up with coal that doesn't burn.

I just lit a fire in a boru stove an hour ago with turf and its throwing out plenty heat a bit slow heating the rads though.

epfff

Sam Kade wrote: »

There's a fella selling UK coal on donedeal he is delivering with an attic around Ireland. You have to take a pallet 40 bags €265 tonne I wonder is it any good? 1.6 tonne is a bit much if you end up with coal that doesn't burn.

I just lit a fire in a boru stove an hour ago with turf and its throwing out plenty heat a bit slow heating the rads though.

We just lit Stanley for first time this season
10 mins rads hopping
turf only
very little heat from stove it puts all heat into boiler
we have 2 double reads in same room

1chippy

Check to see if there is a baffle plate at the back. some lads dont bother their arse fitting them and it has a serious effect on the heat within the room that the stove is in.

lanber man

Sam Kade wrote: »

There's a fella selling UK coal on donedeal he is delivering with an attic around Ireland. You have to take a pallet 40 bags €265 tonne I wonder is it any good? 1.6 tonne is a bit much if you end up with coal that doesn't burn.

I just lit a fire in a boru stove an hour ago with turf and its throwing out plenty heat a bit slow heating the rads though.

Any idea of a link to the ad or contact details cant seem to find it

Cheers

Sam Kade

epfff wrote: »

We just lit Stanley for first time this season
10 mins rads hopping
turf only
very little heat from stove it puts all heat into boiler
we have 2 double reads in same room

In fairness I have the dial turned down half way I don't want a roaring fire because they say you should start with small fires when the stove has been idle a while.

crock!

Turf would have the lowest value of heat in comparison to coal and sticks.turf can work well if you dont have many rads.try mix coal with it and see how you get on

Sam Kade

bargainhunt1 wrote: »

Any idea of a link to the ad or contact details cant seem to find it

Cheers

Here you go
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/price-drop-on-premium-coal/4348359

bbam

Sam Kade wrote: »

Here you go
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/price-drop-on-premium-coal/4348359

Madness.
I've handled enough loads of coal to know this is how you get stuck with a ton of black stone that you wouldn't burn with diesel.

Buy of A good local supplier, have them delivered. Few bags at a time. That way he has a reason to supply good stuff if he wants to build repeat customers.

delaval

Stove hopping here. First outing in a while

Sam Kade

bbam wrote: »

Madness.
I've handled enough loads of coal to know this is how you get stuck with a ton of black stone that you wouldn't burn with diesel.

Buy of A good local supplier, have them delivered. Few bags at a time. That way he has a reason to supply good stuff if he wants to build repeat customers.

It's hard to imagine how he can drive all over the country with an artic selling coal for €10.60/40 kg. He must be buying it for a €6-7 a bag.

Sam Kade

Bargainhunt1 was this the same fella you bought the coal off last year.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056827966&page=2

Rovi

Fired up the Blacksmith Anvil this evening, using the bitty stuff not suitable for sale (Norway Maple).
Air vents practically closed to keep the thing under control, but still now starting to get concerned about heatstroke

lanber man

Sam Kade wrote: »

Bargainhunt1 was this the same fella you bought the coal off last year.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056827966&page=2

Not sure ad looks similar ill ring tomorrow and find out. Still have some left from last year. Was great value

GY A1

triggerharvey wrote: »

even with rads of still not great I was thinking it might need a good cleaning out

A good cleaning out always makes a big difference

moy83

I havent filled the range since 7 o clock and the rad beside the couch is still half warm , and thats on this years turf

massey265

Just reading thru this tread and wondering why nobody is supplying coal in bulk bags off say a half ton as coal can be bought seemly cheap in bulk, I know I would buy it if it was considerly cheaper than in 40kg bags. What do you guys think?

Sharpshooter82

massey265 wrote: »

Just reading thru this tread and wondering why nobody is supplying coal in bulk bags off say a have ton as coal can be bought seemly cheap in bulk, I know I would buy it if it was considerly cheaper than in 40kg bags. What do you guys think?

be a pain to get in a narrow door tho

case885

What is doubles? Is that the 40 kg bag?

bbam

case885 wrote: »

What is doubles? Is that the 40 kg bag?

Doubles refers to a smaller overall size of coal but very little dust and crap as its all been screened out.. Can be of any type of coal. Just the way its been screened before bagging.

case885

I would have thought that would be more expensive to the dusty coal.

bbam

At the end of the day the big problem with coal is its being blended down to provide a cheap product for sale... How much its blended down will dictate how cheap it will get..
If you get a good branded Polish coal its hard to beat, you'll get more heat energy released per kg and that makes it good value.

If your looking at coal it should have a deep black colour and a glassy appearance - typical Polish or French coal.

I think some of the American grades were among the worst I've seen, it sorta never lights up and melts together leaving huge half burned clinkers..

Sharpshooter82

bbam wrote: »

I think some of the American grades were among the worst I've seen, it sorta never lights up and melts together leaving huge half burned clinkers..

Yanks can't even get that right

99nsr125

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

Yanks can't even get that right

You can drive up and get it for 80 quid a ton though !

restive

For a closed appliance what type of polish coal is best?

bbam

If its proper polish coal I wouldn't worry about doubles or regular.
The key is to get a good supplier.

Remember, for about €0.20c a bag I can get anything printed on it. So it's only burning that really tells the story.

In our stove we burn a mix of black diamond polish coal and timber. Mostly I have the timber for the cutting of it.

I think allot of people don't get the value out f their stoves. Don't be afraid to put on a big fire and just as it reaches it's peak shut off the air and it will keep heat for hours. I'd say about 90% of the time we light our stove at six and that's the only fuel it gets for the night.

You could try Back Boiler Beans if your supplier has them, their sometimes sold as singles bit that's not really what they are. BBB will be a coarse slack about half inch chips but with no dust. They go onto a lot fire and then close the draught off, they cake together at first but provide savage heat.

bbam

My dad used to get a 3 way mix filled as economy coal. Polish/French/Texan in equal amounts. It sold great and burned well with good heat. Would move about 100ton a week in winter.

Sam Kade

bbam wrote: »

If its proper polish coal I wouldn't worry about doubles or regular.
The key is to get a good supplier.

Remember, for about €0.20c a bag I can get anything printed on it. So it's only burning that really tells the story.

In our stove we burn a mix of black diamond polish coal and timber. Mostly I have the timber for the cutting of it.

I think allot of people don't get the value out f their stoves. Don't be afraid to put on a big fire and just as it reaches it's peak shut off the air and it will keep heat for hours. I'd say about 90% of the time we light our stove at six and that's the only fuel it gets for the night.

You could try Back Boiler Beans if your supplier has them, their sometimes sold as singles bit that's not really what they are. BBB will be a coarse slack about half inch chips but with no dust. They go onto a lot fire and then close the draught off, they cake together at first but provide savage heat.

bbam tell us how you keep the fire going for the night with one fill? Do you shut off the top and bottom air vents when you get the fire going good? Also if you light the stove at 6 what time does it go out?

reilig

If ye shut off the air to the stove with a good fire going with coal, do you not find that it clogs the chimney with dusty soot in a short while? Maybe it's just our stove??

moy83

reilig wrote: »

If ye shut off the air to the stove with a good fire going with coal, do you not find that it clogs the chimney with dusty soot in a short while? Maybe it's just our stove??

I think its better to wait until the flames have gone down before shutting off the damper , just when the coals are kind of glowing if you know what I mean

bbam

We've no problems with excessive soot.
Light the fire at six or seven and by 9:30 were opening doors from the loving room. Fire will be red till eleven I suppose but the stove retains plenty of heat after that. We do refuel sometimes but mostly it's just one straight burn.
We do have a bunch of insulation and a high level of airtightness so heat loss in the house is minimal. Minimising heat loss is a huge deal, its amazing when a house holds its heat the requirement for fuel is so much less.

shrubs

bbam wrote: »

We've no problems with excessive soot.
Light the fire at six or seven and by 9:30 were opening doors from the loving room. Fire will be red till eleven I suppose but the stove retains plenty of heat after that. We do refuel sometimes but mostly it's just one straight burn.
We do have a bunch of insulation and a high level of airtightness so heat loss in the house is minimal. Minimising heat loss is a huge deal, its amazing when a house holds its heat the requirement for fuel is so much less.

Freudian slip?

bbam

moy83

What is a good quality make of a stove ?

Sam Kade

I am after going through 2 winters with mine it was going every night for 6 months last year. Still intact and like new I will let you know if it disintegrates

StoveMaster

Hi moy83
It depends what your requirements are, are you after an insert, a stand alone room heat only stove or a boiler model stove to heat radiators ?

Also how big is the room ? And how big is the house? And what fuel are you planning to use?

Is your insulation fair good or exelent ?

If you let me know I'll recommend a make and model.

keep going

moy83 wrote: »

What is a good quality make of a stove ?

Charnwood , abit pricey but a mighty yoke

moy83

StoveMaster wrote: »

Hi moy83
It depends what your requirements are, are you after an insert, a stand alone room heat only stove or a boiler model stove to heat radiators ?

Also how big is the room ? And how big is the house? And what fuel are you planning to use?

Is your insulation fair good or exelent ?

If you let me know I'll recommend a make and model.

Im not looking for one right now but Im going building again and thinking along the lines of 1700 sq ft and very well insulated . I suppose roughly 10 rads and hot water . It will be mostly timber and turf , coal when needed
I have 22 rads coming off a stanley superstar in this house and it manages ok but would need coal if the weather is cold as the insulation wouldn't be brilliant . Can a stove be as good as the range ?

iopener

Stoves are like everything else you get what you pay for, the only advice I would give is check up with a number of suppliers, I went to 4 stores ended up with a strafford 16 he, the build quality is super 3 out 4 stores recommend this stove it isn't cheap but I'm thinking long term so wanted something decent, plenty of cheaper stoves available but this yoke is british built not a Chinese rip off so should be good for a long long time, I've only installed it 2 weeks haven't had the pleasure of sitting down in the room with the stove blazing yet I'm still working on getting the room finished.

tabby aspreme

If anyone is thinking of buying a stove , look up the manufacturers website and see if parts are available first, and I'm not talking about the suppliers/wholesalers website but the actual manufacturers website