Stargate: New movie trilogy.

Thrill

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a513056/stargate-to-receive-movie-reboot-trilogy-planned.html

Roland Emmerich has confirmed that he intends to reboot the Stargate franchise as a new movie trilogy.

The White House Down filmmaker directed and co-wrote the original movie incarnation of Stargate in 1994.

Plans to reunite stars Kurt Russell and James Spader for a sequel to Stargate, which spawned three television spinoff shows, have been scuppered by time according to Emmerich.

"The actors look totally different... it would not work," he stated.

I loved SG1 and SG Atlantis but for some reason I'm not overjoyed by this news. Maybe I just got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning.

krudler

I prefer the movie to the tv show, never really got into it tbh. But the movie is fun. Mental that it came out almost 20 years ago, remember going to see it on a rainy Saturday afternoon like it was yesterday.

3rdDegree

Thrill wrote: »

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I loved SG1 and SG Atlantis but for some reason I'm not overjoyed by this news. Maybe I just got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Liked the original movie, but was never much of a fan of the TV series - except for SGU, I really loved that (but unfortunately I think I was the only one).

I'm a bit "meh" about a reboot, to be honest. I think it would definitely be a wait and see job...

GerB40

Thrill wrote: »

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I loved SG1 and SG Atlantis but for some reason I'm not overjoyed by this news. Maybe I just got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning.

SG-1 was class. Atlantis had it's moments. Universe was a travesty. With the right writers and characters, a new movie could be brilliant. But I have to agree with you, I'm not holdin my breath for a movie of the year.. On a side note I always wondered why they never made a Stargate computer game. It could potentially be great.

Goldstein

3rdDegree wrote: »

Liked the original movie, but was never much of a fan of the TV series - except for SGU, I really loved that (but unfortunately I think I was the only one).

You weren't alone but there are increasingly less viewers who can appreciate a real sci-fi show with great production values based around character development and ideas without 'SPLOSIONS!!! every two minutes to keep peoples' attention. SG1 was a great prime time sci-fi adventure show, SGA was ok overall but it didn't do anything new and was essentially the exact same show whereas SGU was an admirable attempt to make a real science fiction show and contained some of the greatest tv episodes the genre has seen in 10 years. But sadly the audience isn't there these days for such things. Anything Emmerich is associated with today will be dumb-fi epitomised. Stargate had its day but it's done.

Daemos

I'm a big fan of Stargate, in all of it's incarnations. They are all different, but all have their charms. I don't expect this reboot to be better than average, but for more Stargate on the big screen, I'll happily lap it up

pixelburp

I was never a mad fan of the TV series, but I appreciated the humour and wit SG:1 often brought to the table (going by the banter between the cast) & anytime I tuned in was broadly entertained, even if I never could understand how a slim mythology spawned such a long running series. It was an interesting case of taking an otherwise forgettable, dull film and spinning it into something with a lot of personality.

So the idea of someone like Emmerich going back to this franchise and doubtless lobotomising it of any of the TV series' charisma is nothing I can get behind. I can't imagine many SG fans would be too enamoured either about his desire to negate the universe's mythology; it reminds me somewhat of David Yates talking a while back about rebooting the Dr. Who universes for the cinema. Both cases smack of desperation to jump on the Star Trek bandwagon, thinking all genre fiction needs its universes rebooted.

I wonder if Emmerichs desire to return to old, successful pastures has anything to do with the relative failure of White House Down?

Stargate will always have a special place in my heart. I remember it was a cold, dark Thursday evening and in the middle of doing my homework my dad arrived home from work and told me to put my homework away and that he'd write me a note. Told me we were going to see a film. I was 9 or so and had absolutely no knowledge of what Stargate though the fact that I was getting out of homework and a trip to the cinema made my bloody week. Came out of the film in love with it and while watching it now I can find numerous faults it will always remain a favourite of mine and one that I can look back on with fond memories. I've always wanted to see a sequel and Dean Devlin's ideas for a trilogy were interesting but his and Emmerich's falling out means that this proposed new series could indulge everyone if Emmerich's worst traits.

I'd like go see an intelligent, adult Sci-fi film that isn't simply spectacle and one that expands on the mythology. I'd love to see the return if Russell and Spader, by all means bring in a new cast but have O'Neill running the Stargate programme and give Jackson and his new life a look in.

humbert

Fingers crossed. It would be weird having the Goa'uld as the bad guys again. Just watching the second and final series of SGU now. Really absorbing stuff. I don't know if it originally came out at the same time as BSG but if it did that would have hurt it. All the pretty people and religious overtones in BSG annoyed the **** out of me so I'd definitely take SGU. Maybe some day it will get a movie (I don't know how it concludes though...maybe everyone dies ).

carol clery

if it goes ahead and the plan is to carry on from one of the previous series then it has to be either SGA or SGU as they are the most recent

saw ben browder in Arrow recently, doesnt look like he'd fit through the stargate anymore!!!


loved SG1 but looks dated next to SGA

SGU had so much potential and some great actors imo. sorry to see it go so early

GerB40

humbert wrote: »

Fingers crossed. It would be weird having the Goa'uld as the bad guys again. Just watching the second and final series of SGU now. Really absorbing stuff. I don't know if it originally came out at the same time as BSG but if it did that would have hurt it. All the pretty people and religious overtones in BSG annoyed the **** out of me so I'd definitely take SGU. Maybe some day it will get a movie (I don't know how it concludes though...maybe everyone dies ).

Is SGU worth watchin? Is saw around 7 or 8 episodes and fück all happened. Im probably too impatient but i was bored to tears with it..

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

GerB40 wrote: »

Is SGU worth watchin? Is saw around 7 or 8 episodes and fück all happened. Im probably too impatient but i was bored to tears with it..

not really

apparently it got good during the second half of season 2, but considering it was cancelled afterwards.. hardly seems worth it


watch babylon 5 or farscape instead

bizmark

Goldstein wrote: »

You weren't alone but there are increasingly less viewers who can appreciate a real sci-fi show with great production values based around character development and ideas without 'SPLOSIONS!!! every two minutes to keep peoples' attention. SG1 was a great prime time sci-fi adventure show, SGA was ok overall but it didn't do anything new and was essentially the exact same show whereas SGU was an admirable attempt to make a real science fiction show and contained some of the greatest tv episodes the genre has seen in 10 years. But sadly the audience isn't there these days for such things. Anything Emmerich is associated with today will be dumb-fi epitomised. Stargate had its day but it's done.

Stargate u failed because it wasnt stargate it was neither funny nor light hearted everything was "gritty" and "real" and frankly no one watched jack o neill play golf in the gate room because that **** was so gritty and realistic we watched it because it was fun and good natured space avenger like star trek but with far far better humor and a more dynamic lead man than even picard.

Universe was a absolute betrayal of the fan base to capitalise on the fleeting popularity of bsg and other negative depressing crap centered around deeply damaged unlikable people.

And hence It bombed because the stargate fan base just wasn't a bunch of depressed cynical people not because they just couldnt appreciate this shineing light of sci fi it wasnt fecking 2001 a space odyssey or moon it was just a dumb tv show set in a stupid setting they had aready done with a bunch of people who wherent memorable or likeable.

GerB40

bizmark wrote: »

Stargate u failed because it wasnt stargate it was neither funny nor light hearted everything was "gritty" and "real" and frankly no one watched jack o neill play golf in the gate room because that **** was so gritty and realistic we watched it because it was fun and good natured space avenger like star trek but with far far better humor and a more dynamic lead man than even picard.

Universe was a absolute betrayal of the fan base to capitalise on the fleeting popularity of bsg and other negative depressing crap centered around deeply damaged unlikable people.

And hence It bombed because the stargate fan base just wasn't a bunch of depressed cynical people not because they just couldnt appreciate this shineing light of sci fi it wasnt fecking 2001 a space odyssey or moon it was just a dumb tv show set in a stupid setting they had aready done with a bunch of people who wherent memorable or likeable.

To be fair, that lesbian one was fairly memorable.... And speaking of funny moments the whole episode 'Window of opportunity" was classic. And the 200th episode was funnier than most comedies on tv these days.

humbert

GerB40 wrote: »

Is SGU worth watchin? Is saw around 7 or 8 episodes and fück all happened. Im probably too impatient but i was bored to tears with it..

I'd say if you watched 7 or 8 episodes and didn't like it then probably not. I think as shows go on the producers see which actors can carry episodes and which can't so the better characters/actors take centre stage and the show improves. I have liked it more with each episode but it would have been better to have had at least one truly likeable character and a little levity to break up the doom and gloom every once in a while. It's also horrible seeing fat Macgyver.

bizmark wrote: »

And hence It bombed because the stargate fan base just wasn't a bunch of depressed cynical people

I think I may have discovered why I'm fond of it.

bizmark

Will say though stagate sg1 and atlantis wrote themselves into a corner of ever more powerful enemys and ever more ludicrously powerful earth spaceships.
Remember in atlantis the deadalus sitting in space getting pounded on by a wraith cruiser while the main cast casualy had a meeting about how to rescue someone or other then a little while later just casualy say "make that ship go away" followed by a 2 shot demolition of said ship way to remove any and all menace or threat from your series enemy guys.
Stargate basicly jumped the shark once Daedalus showed up so a reboot is really the only thing they can do i mean when you have ships that laugh off ancient space going races ships and you have already defeated make believe and actually gods the christ can you do with a show?

Daemos

bizmark wrote: »

Stargate basicly jumped the shark once Daedalus showed up so a reboot is really the only thing they can do i mean when you have ships that laugh off ancient space going races ships and you have already defeated make believe and actually gods the christ can you do with a show?

Yeah, I do agree with this. If you have a fleet of spaceships then what's the point in having a Stargate at all? :rolleyes:

As for people's opinions of SGU, I think it really does get a lot of unfair criticism because of how far away it is from the tone of the other shows. How exactly is that a problem? It's trying something new. It's a soap opera in space, with a Stargate. Even if you don't like it, you have to admire the bravery of taking such a dramatic step away from what people know from the franchise

bizmark

Daemos wrote: »

Yeah, I do agree with this. If you have a fleet of spaceships then what's the point in having a Stargate at all? :rolleyes:

As for people's opinions of SGU, I think it really does get a lot of unfair criticism because of how far away it is from the tone of the other shows. How exactly is that a problem? It's trying something new. It's a soap opera in space, with a Stargate. Even if you don't like it, you have to admire the bravery of taking such a dramatic step away from what people know from the franchise

Its only really brave if it works other wise its a stupid miscalculation that helped killed a successful franchise for no good reason than being different

Grayson

GerB40 wrote: »

To be fair, that lesbian one was fairly memorable.... And speaking of funny moments the whole episode 'Window of opportunity" was classic. And the 200th episode was funnier than most comedies on tv these days.

SG1 had some great moments but I thought the 200th episode was over hyped nonsense. But by that stage the series had pretty much run it's course. They'd beaten the original bad guys so they had to think up bigger bad guys. And bigger. and bigger. Each time they defeated them when carter magically produced yet another piece of technology out of her ass.

Atlantis started well, but that's because they were all alone and there were challenges. By the end it was getting stale. I will say that the cast was more diverse and enjoyable to watch. that might just have been me fed up with SG1.

SGU was completely different. It was gritty and nasty. I liked it. But I can see a lot of SG1 fans hating it because it didn't have the kind of pop/pulp attraction of the previous two series. I was genuinely disappointed when that ended.

I'd like to see the original film completed. It was originally meant to be a trilogy but because of production costs and low box office it didn't happen. I saw the original in the cinema and it was a sci-fi epic. Huge sweeping panoramas and a really ground breaking plot. Plus James Spader is a brilliant actor. I'd recommend that anyone who can should watch it on the biggest screen available, in the dark with a bowl of popcorn.

I think people who don't appreciate the film are the kind of people who have eaten burgers for so long that they can't appreciate a good steak (Not that there's anything wrong with burgers )

Myrddin

bizmark wrote: »

Will say though stagate sg1 and atlantis wrote themselves into a corner of ever more powerful enemys and ever more ludicrously powerful earth spaceships.
Remember in atlantis the deadalus sitting in space getting pounded on by a wraith cruiser while the main cast casualy had a meeting about how to rescue someone or other then a little while later just casualy say "make that ship go away" followed by a 2 shot demolition of said ship way to remove any and all menace or threat from your series enemy guys.

They weren't sure if Teyla was aboard the Wraith ship at that time, & when it transpired she wasn't, it was destroyed. The ship was also upgraded with Asgard weapons

/pedantry

But yeah, I'm 80% or so through a rewatch of the entire franchise, & by now it's more about ships than stargates. The sense of exploration & going into the unknown is more or less gone from the show now, & that was one of the things so addictive earlier on.

I think a reboot, has a better chance of any success than another direct to dvd movie, or indeed a continuation of Universe. It'll be back to the beginning again, with an all new 'edgier' cast. Some leaked footage here apparently:

Zombienosh

Loved the original film, couldn't care less about the TV series.

I'd love to see a reboot done from the start, nice and dark.

PhiloCypher

bizmark wrote: »

Stargate u failed because it wasnt stargate it was neither funny nor light hearted everything was "gritty" and "real" and frankly no one watched jack o neill play golf in the gate room because that **** was so gritty and realistic we watched it because it was fun and good natured space avenger like star trek but with far far better humor and a more dynamic lead man than even picard.

Universe was a absolute betrayal of the fan base to capitalise on the fleeting popularity of bsg and other negative depressing crap centered around deeply damaged unlikable people.

And hence It bombed because the stargate fan base just wasn't a bunch of depressed cynical people not because they just couldnt appreciate this shineing light of sci fi it wasnt fecking 2001 a space odyssey or moon it was just a dumb tv show set in a stupid setting they had aready done with a bunch of people who wherent memorable or likeable.

See that's the sort of thing that turned me off SG1 it was too jokey for me, O Neill went into every first contact situation the same way by planting both feet firmly in his mouth, I mean c'mon he is a high ranking military officer leading a team who are out there, initially anyway's, to find allies and/or weapons to fight the goauld , how is that goal served by cracking jokes and making fun of every race he meets .

I'm not against there being humour i just felt the shows realism would have been better served by having someone other then O Neill (a supposedly battle hardened soldier) be the jokester .

It's fair to say I'm more hoping for the Kurt Russell interpretation then McGyvers in any reboot.

Zubeneschamali

I thought the original movie stank when it came out. I was a fan of the TV show up to series 8 when it should have ended, I lost interest after that.

Rewatching the movie since, it still stinks, but it's interesting to see the good bits they were able to salvage for the TV show.

Pepe LeFrits

A complete reboot would be great, if only to see the TV series fanboys getting their knickers in a twist.

norrie rugger

Goldstein wrote: »

You weren't alone but there are increasingly less viewers who can appreciate a real sci-fi show with great production values based around character development and ideas without 'SPLOSIONS!!! every two minutes to keep peoples' attention. SG1 was a great prime time sci-fi adventure show, SGA was ok overall but it didn't do anything new and was essentially the exact same show whereas SGU was an admirable attempt to make a real science fiction show and contained some of the greatest tv episodes the genre has seen in 10 years. But sadly the audience isn't there these days for such things. Anything Emmerich is associated with today will be dumb-fi epitomised. Stargate had its day but it's done.

The lead characters were absolute d!ckheads though. That's why I did not tune in too often. I just did not like the people that I was following.

noodler

SG1 was excellent TV, it could be pretty intelligent too.

I always found the stand alone episode arcs the best. Landing on a planet and trading with one country who is at war with another before realising that you have been essentially helping the Nazis of this world commit genocide. For an example.

SGA, bar the first season, maybe, maybe bits of 2 and 3, was terrible.

Jesus Christ, seasons four and five may as well not have been made at all. The show became so unbelievably nicey nice with awful stories and a complete lack of menace.


SGU I liked, better than anything Atlantis had done since S1 imo and very disappointed it got cut. Robert Carlyle's Rush was a great character - you just couldn't pigeonhole him.


I don't think the show actually lends itself very well to the big screen despite the original film (and two movies to finish SG1) as it is the possibility of always going to a new place that really gave the show longevity and I don't think this is something you can take advantage of in 90 mins / 2 hours.

Myrddin

noodler wrote: »

Robert Carlyle's Rush was a great character - you just couldn't pigeonhole him.

Agreed, his screen presence dominated over the others

Dempsey

Big fan of the film & SG-1. I had stopped following SG-1 long before Atlantis & Universe came along. I think I stopped watching it religiously when Sky was the only place to watch it, couldnt watch it when it was on. Didnt hear much clamor for the spinoffs so I never got into them.

I'd be interested in the trilogy but anything Roland Emmerich does is safe bland CGI shíte.

SarahBM

I loved (well was a bit obsessed) with SG1 when I was a teenager. I think I had just missed the whole Star Trek TNG thing and SG1 was the big Sci fi show. I loved it up til about S8, when ever O'Neill left and I never like General Landry, I just couldnt take him seriously.
As for Atlantis, loved the first 3 series, cant remember much of the 4th so it obviously didnt make that much of an impression on me. I dont think I got to see any of S5 as I was in college and we didnt have a TV.
I watched an ep or 2 of SGU but I didnt really like it. I might give it another go. I have S1-4 of SG1 and I intend on getting the rest on dvd asap (thank god HMV are back) and I am going to watch from the begining. You see, with sky SG1 was being constantly repeated so I have seen the first 6 seasons or so multiple times.
Window of Opportunity was mentioned already. absolute classic IMO.

Did anyone else hate Jonas Quinn or was it just me???

and please dont crucify me but I have never watched all of the Movie (I probably wont either) but I dont want a repboot. so sick of reboots at the mo. Some new original Sci Fi please.

5uspect

While the TV series were mostly fun I always compartmentalised them as separate to the movie. So I would love to see them ignored in any new movie adaptation, be it a direct sequel to the movie or a reboot.

Varik

SarahBM wrote: »

Did anyone else hate Jonas Quinn or was it just me???

Had to think who that was for a second, but yes compare to jackson but not overall. But he and his planet added Naquadria which led to some nice episodes.

Skerries

Claudia Black!

GerB40

Skerries wrote: »

Claudia Black!

She's a ride..

Cookie_Monster

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

A complete reboot would be great, if only to see the TV series fanboys getting their knickers in a twist.

Or just leave well enough alone and actually come up with something new.
Stargate was great, lead to great TV and all that established canon and universe. I wish they'd just leave it along and not try and reboot it into some braindead sci-splosion flick like Star Trek

bizmark

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Or just leave well enough alone and actually come up with something new.
Stargate was great, lead to great TV and all that established canon an universe. I wish they'd just leave it along and not try and reboot it into some braindead sci-splosion flick like Star Trek

Ya id agree there's what 14 years of very good stargate lore? even if i do think they jumped the shark with the ships at lest they did it in galaxy jaunting nukeing planets style so just let it be

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

GerB40 wrote: »

She's a ride..

i like to think i love farscape for its strong characters, excellent story and general intelligence.. but if i'm being honest... early 20's claudia black in leather

Zubeneschamali

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Or just leave well enough alone and actually come up with something new.

This is Roland Emmerich we're talking about. The "original" movie was a hodgepodge of recycled SF ideas and clichéed characters, and he has done nothing original before or since, so I wouldn't expect him to start now.

rockbeast

I'd be happy enough to see a reboot once it doesn't involve Shia LeBoeouf!

Enjoyed SG-1 but strangely enough was never a huge fan of the Goa'uld arcs. Much preferred the stand-alone episodes, "A matter of time" probably being my favouite, and The Replicators episodes(although a bit derivative from the Borg).

Atlantis was watchable in a Sunday afternoon kind of way up until it became more Star(gate)Wars with the Daedalus etc. flying about in space.

Tried a couple of times to get into Universe but could never do it.

norrie rugger

Problem with SG-1 was how the humans were the only people to put the gate into a military base and shield it!!
How many times did they just easily gate to a massively strategic planet, meeting no resistance at the gate??? Fine, the Goa'uld used ships to attack primarily but come on!!

Myrddin

norrie rugger wrote: »

Problem with SG-1 was how the humans were the only people to put the gate into a military base and shield it!!
How many times did they just easily gate to a massively strategic planet, meeting no resistance at the gate??? Fine, the Goa'uld used ships to attack primarily but come on!!

I think the idea was the Goa'Uld never really allowed civilizations to evolve much beyond slavery & worship. Those that did, usually wern't aware of what the gate actually was, much like Earth didn't for a long time.

Cookie_Monster

norrie rugger wrote: »

Problem with SG-1 was how the humans were the only people to put the gate into a military base and shield it!!
How many times did they just easily gate to a massively strategic planet, meeting no resistance at the gate??? Fine, the Goa'uld used ships to attack primarily but come on!!

that was pretty well explained and don't forget they would have probed every planet they visited and a factor more besides, clearly any hostile, heavily defended or shielded gates would not warrant a followup visit.

As for the Goa'uld, they ruled for aeons and became complacent re security when no threats ever came through it.

norrie rugger

EnterNow wrote: »

I think the idea was the Goa'Uld never really allowed civilizations to evolve much beyond slavery & worship. Those that did, usually wern't aware of what the gate actually was, much like Earth didn't for a long time.

Other system lords could attack though

Varik

EnterNow wrote: »

I think the idea was the Goa'Uld never really allowed civilizations to evolve much beyond slavery & worship. Those that did, usually wern't aware of what the gate actually was, much like Earth didn't for a long time.

One of my favorite episodes was when they ended up in a museum, and it ended up being a hostage situation as they'd no DHD to dial back; you'd think they'd have the malp look for one before the sent people through.

Myrddin

norrie rugger wrote: »

Other system lords could attack though

Attack what, pre-industrial societies or poorly defended strongholds? The Goa'Uld usually only deal in entire sectors of space etc, one planet here or there isn't usually how they engage in battle. And as for attacking societies, again I don't think one or two here or there is in their interests, it's much larger a scale than that.

norrie rugger

Their home base systems were open to attack, not puny outposts. Tulac was completely open FFS as was Abydos

Myrddin

norrie rugger wrote: »

Their home base systems were open to attack, not puny outposts. Tulac was completely open FFS as was Abydos

Both seemingly pre-industrial worlds, serving no strategic interests though, merely worlds reduced to slavery & worship...why bother attacking them? Abydos was one of many many worlds under Ra's control, & Tulac was the homeworld of Teal'c, & one of the many Jaffa worlds. Other than that it had no significance...

Pepe LeFrits

Goa'uld security was up there with Jaffa battle tactics and Jaffa marksmanship in terms of silliness. The attempts to latterly explain them were fairly cringe inducing, like the convoluted nonsense Star Trek came up with for explaining dress styles and Klingon appearance in TOS. Accept that they were just fairly standard elements of a cheesy and camp 90s sci-fi show that wasn’t particularly concerned with realism, and you’ll feel better!

Myrddin

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Accept that they were just fairly standard elements of a cheesy and camp 90s sci-fi show that wasn’t particularly concerned with realism, and you’ll feel better!

I think accepting that you can use wormholes to travel to other planets by basically dialing a phone number, realism isn't much of a concern Jaffa accuracy & battle tactics were farcical though, I agree there

Kirby

Universe was epic sci-fi and I was thoroughly disappointed when it got cancelled....
The show deserved better than it got.

I loved sg1and atlantis but it was an unrealistic portrayal of characters. Too many perfect mary sue characters to truly believe in the story.

SGU wrote their characters to resemble how real people would react in a situation like that. They were selfish and egotistical and combative.....and they had flaws. O'Neill, Carter, jackson and tealc are nearly perfect in every way. That got grating after a while. I loved SG1 but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny when you look at some of the writing. ....

Contributor 2013

Kirby wrote: »

Universe was epic sci-fi and I was thoroughly disappointed when it got cancelled....
The show deserved better than it got.

I loved sg1and atlantis but it was an unrealistic portrayal of characters. Too many perfect mary sue characters to truly believe in the story.

SGU wrote their characters to resemble how real people would react in a situation like that. They were selfish and egotistical and combative.....and they had flaws. O'Neill, Carter, jackson and tealc are nearly perfect in every way. That got grating after a while. I loved SG1 but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny when you look at some of the writing. ....

I think that was the point previous poster was trying to make.
That SGU sort of changed the whole perception of stargate from being a light hearted comedy/action to being more in line with a lot of these new shows.

I was sad to see it go though because I also thought it had bucket loads of potential. Oh well. We shall see.

Myrddin

Another Universe fan here, I thought it was really starting to find its feet midway through Season 2. It's a crying shame it wasn't allowed continue & mature.