Garda Clamping Down On No Tax etc?

discombobulate

I'm subscribed to a page on facebook that posts up Garda checkpoints etc. it seems from it that the Gardai in Dublin are upping the checkpoints and seizing cars on the spot. Passed through one myself on the Templeogue road where they were checking for tax etc. as well as sampling tanks.

https://m.facebook.com/FreeChatDublin

All the usual road tax **** roads, cops are p****s, **** the government etc. in the comments

Hopefully the likes of this in addition to the new off the road rules will result in tax will up revenue and keep tax rates from going up (not too optomistic though!)

Mint Sauce

Really dont get the point of these FB pages advertising Garda Check Points. As far as I knew check points move around. Most likely by the time you read it on facebook, and head on your journey, or you passthough the check point, and get home and name it on FB, it will have probably moved on somewhere else.

CiniO

discombobulate wrote: »

I'm subscribed to a page on facebook that posts up Garda checkpoints etc. it seems from it that the Gardai in Dublin are upping the checkpoints and seizing cars on the spot. Passed through one myself on the Templeogue road where they were checking for tax etc. as well as sampling tanks.

https://m.facebook.com/FreeChatDublin

All the usual road tax **** roads, cops are p****s, **** the government etc. in the comments

Hopefully the likes of this in addition to the new off the road rules will result in tax will up revenue and keep tax rates from going up (not too optomistic though!)

Remember that only half a population live in Dublin region. (only haahaha )

In Mayo I have much greater chance of winning the lotto, than encountering checkpoint within 20 km radius from my house.

Owryan

Pity they dont show the same enthusiasm here in Carlow. Could do with a clapdown on tax dodgers .

CiniO

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Really dont get the point of these FB pages advertising Garda Check Points. As far as I knew check points move around. Most likely by the time you read it on facebook, and head on your journey, or you passthough the check point, and get home and name it on FB, it will have probably moved on somewhere else.

See people use smartphones, and you can update checkpoint detail on the spot, and people can get it instantly as well - however it's probably not that handy unless you have some script linked with map to inform you clearly when you are driving.

djimi

Id sooner just pay my tax than having to keep checking a FB page every time I want to leave the house...

Mint Sauce

CiniO wrote: »

Remember that only half a population live in Dublin region. (only haahaha )

In Mayo I have much greater chance of winning the lotto, than encountering checkpoint within 20 km radius from my house.

3 years of driving, about 30,000 miles, mostly around the NW, with ocasional journeys though NI, and the odd drive as far as Galway and Dublin, I have passed though 2 checkpoints. One before I passed my test, where the Garda only had a quick look at the disks, and simply waved me on without even saying anything, and another as I slowed for an accident, and was waved on without even having to stop.

CiniO

See... Here's an idea for smartphone app.
You see a checkpoint - you just click the button, and it automatically records in in online database using smartphone gps coordinates. Everyone else having this app active and being nearby get a notification instantly. If checkpoint is gone, then once someone notifies through the app it's gone, it disappears from database.
I'm sure if such app had many users, it would become greatly popular.

Mint Sauce

CiniO wrote: »

See people use smartphones, and you can update checkpoint detail on the spot, and people can get it instantly as well - however it's probably not that handy unless you have some script linked with map to inform you clearly when you are driving.

Or if you have a passenger to update it, or scanning the various local FB pages to advice you. As doing it your self would surely attract their attention for using a handheld device whilst driving.

Professey Chin

CiniO wrote: »

See... Here's an idea for smartphone app.
You see a checkpoint - you just click the button, and it automatically records in in online database using smartphone gps coordinates. Everyone else having this app active and being nearby get a notification instantly. If checkpoint is gone, then once someone notifies through the app it's gone, it disappears from database.
I'm sure if such app had many users, it would become greatly popular.

Waze

CiniO

Chinpool wrote: »

Waze

Yeap, I was pretty sure something like that must exist already

Totofan99

I've been driving about 4 years. I only remember going through 3 checkpoints in that time, and I drive Galway-Cork and back regularly! Not once have I been asked to produce my licence.

discombobulate

I always seem to just get waved through at the checkpoints without being checked. I wonder do the bigger checkpoints do a reg check as your approaching and only stop those they know are out.

jimmycrackcorm

CiniO wrote: »

See... Here's an idea for smartphone app.
You see a checkpoint - you just click the button, and it automatically records in in online database using smartphone gps coordinates. Everyone else having this app active and being nearby get a notification instantly. If checkpoint is gone, then once someone notifies through the app it's gone, it disappears from database.
I'm sure if such app had many users, it would become greatly popular.

Better also let the trapster people know they style your idea.

CiniO

Totofan99 wrote: »

I've been driving about 4 years. I only remember going through 3 checkpoints in that time, and I drive Galway-Cork and back regularly! Not once have I been asked to produce my licence.

For the last few years I pretty regularly spend about 11 months every year in Ireland, and 1 month in Poland.
On average, I approach a checkpoint / get pulled over in Ireland possibly once every 2 maybe 3 years, while in Poland I approach a checkpoint / get pulled over at least 3 to 4 times every time I'm there for one month.

BlatentCheek

I don't know if they do it for drives to catch tax dodgers but often the Garda press office announce large operations of traffic enforcement and give the dates when they'll be stepping up checkpoints in a large area. Their website's good for this.

I thought the rollout of the ANPR system would greatly reduce the need for checkpoints. You know those cameras in Garda cars that scan the reg of every car they pass and check it against tax, insurance and maybe NCT databases. Has anyone heard of someone being caught by it?

ofcork

In the last year ive been asked for my licence twice and also been asked to blow in the bag and all in and around cork city.

PrettyBoy

A lad that works in a garage near me had his car seized yesterday for no tax.

Haven't seen a checkpoint myself in months though, long may it continue :pac:

CiniO

BlatentCheek wrote: »

Has anyone heard of someone being caught by it?

Yes.
Acquaintance of mine was driving around from Mayo to Cork and back, and on a way back around Galway he passed Garda car coming from opposite direction.
Once they passed, Garda car turned back, caught him up and pulled him over.
He was done for driving without tax, nct, and insurance, but afaik he avoided court appearance by changing address or possibly giving the wrong one.

Funny enough a year later he was going the same way in different car, again without nct, tax or insurance, and again the same story. Garda car turned around and pulled him over. Even more funny that this was the same garda officer as year before.

Both incidents wouldn't have happened if ANPR didn't exist.

discombobulate

Looks like their at the Topaz on the quays now with the tow truck

carzony

It's all just to collect money. In fairness the amount of people going round with no tax and nct is unreal.

My neighbour is a mechanic and he had 5 cars parked on the road ready to work on them. Not one of them with tax or nct lol and these were cars driven on a daily basis.

No Pants

Passed my first ever checkpoint today near Ballycoolin. Had a lot of cars, vans and even some trucks pulled over.

corktina

of course it's to collect money....that's what tax is.
roll on more enforcement imo.

ba_barabus

corktina wrote: »

of course it's to collect money....that's what tax is.
roll on more enforcement imo.

And the great thing is its being collected WITH INTEREST

PrettyBoy

corktina wrote: »

roll on more enforcement

It's gas how some Irish people really love to see others being done for no tax, getting fined, etc., like it really gives them pleasure and makes them happy..

It's the little things :rolleyes:

ba_barabus

PrettyBoy wrote: »

It's gas how some Irish people really love to see others being done for no tax, getting fined, etc., like it really gives them pleasure and makes them happy..

It's the little things :rolleyes:

It's gas how some Irish people love the hard working honest middle man pay for those at the top and bottom

Nino Brown

PrettyBoy wrote: »

It's gas how some Irish people really love to see others being done for no tax, getting fined, etc., like it really gives them pleasure and makes them happy..

It's the little things :rolleyes:

It really does make me happy! I didn't realize people had facebook pages for checkpoints. I'll have to keep an eye out for any nearby, and go and watch, might even bring some popcorn.

discombobulate

PrettyBoy wrote: »

It's gas how some Irish people really love to see others being done for no tax, getting fined, etc., like it really gives them pleasure and makes them happy..

It's the little things :rolleyes:

Its not pleasure more a justification for uninsured, untaxed drivers etc. driving our insurance and tax up!! Why should we have to pay it and them not?

visual

ba_barabus wrote: »

It's gas how some Irish people love the hard working honest middle man pay for those at the top and bottom

By and large its a unfair tax on pre 2008 cars and its mainly pre 2008 cars that are non compliant.

If road tax was more resonably priced it would be easier to remain the righ side of the law.

ba_barabus

visual wrote: »

By and large its a unfair tax on pre 2008 cars and its mainly pre 2008 cars that are non compliant.

If road tax was more resonably priced it would be easier to remain the righ side of the law.

I find my dentists expensive. It doesn't mean I get my teeth fixed and then refuse to pay

CiniO

ba_barabus wrote: »

I find my dentists expensive. It doesn't mean I get my teeth fixed and then refuse to pay

No, but lots of people go to dentist in countries where prices are 1/10 of what they cost here - including me :cool:

PurvesGrundy

discombobulate wrote: »

Its not pleasure more a justification for uninsured, untaxed drivers etc. driving our insurance and tax up!! Why should we have to pay it and them not?

Oh FFS, how many times have people said this. Do you really think evasion is the reason the government keep pushing the tax up and up?!

It is so irritating the way Irish people jump on the bandwagon and say 'tax dodging scum' or 'I'm glad he was caught, I hope they take his children too' without looking at the issue behind the situation. The rates are too bloody high and you only have to look at how one's tax bill is tripled or quadrupled with a modestly higher CC or emissions band on a particular vehicle. It is a majorly unbalanced system that is resulting in diminishing returns for the exchequer and is going to continue with the likes of this knome mentality seen on here.

discombobulate

visual wrote: »

By and large its a unfair tax on pre 2008 cars and its mainly pre 2008 cars that are non compliant.

If road tax was more resonably priced it would be easier to remain the righ side of the law.

Or they can buy low engined cars and pay low tax.

Not that im disagreeing the differences are unfair. Pre 08 should have the option of either rates in my opinion.

PurvesGrundy

discombobulate wrote: »

Or they can buy low engined cars and pay low tax.

That's communism though.

ted1

Why do the Gardai check for tax? Why not the revenue? After all the Gardai don't look for tax returns?

Just putting it in the fuel. Much easier and cheaper to collect

Nino Brown

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Oh FFS, how many times have people said this. Do you really think evasion is the reason the government keep pushing the tax up and up?!

It is so irritating the way Irish people jump on the bandwagon and say 'tax dodging scum' or 'I'm glad he was caught, I hope they take his children too' without looking at the issue behind the situation. The rates are too bloody high and you only have to look at how one's tax bill is tripled or quadrupled with a modestly higher CC or emissions band on a particular vehicle. It is a majorly unbalanced system that is resulting in diminishing returns for the exchequer and is going to continue with the likes of this knome mentality seen on here.

I fully agree it's an unfair, unbalanced system. Unfortunately you don't get to choose the taxes you pay. Wheter you agree with it or not is irrelevant. If you have a problem with it, pay it, and petition your TD.

ba_barabus

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

That's communism though.

Surely you mean capitalism ?

power pants

My tax was out by 3 weeks when I was stopped at a checkpoint and the woman garda said in own words -I couldn't give a **** about that to be honest

NCT and Insurance was up to date , just drove on

this was last summer in Dublin city centre

CiniO

discombobulate wrote: »

Or they can buy low engined cars and pay low tax.

But why do you want people to drive tiny dangerous sh1tboxes?
Because government said so? We want Irish people to drive small cars, so we will put sky high tax prices for anything bigger. That doesn't make sense.

discombobulate

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Oh FFS, how many times have people said this. Do you really think evasion is the reason the government keep pushing the tax up and up?!

It is so irritating the way Irish people jump on the bandwagon and say 'tax dodging scum' or 'I'm glad, I hope they take his children too' without looking at the issue behind the situation. The rates are too bloody high and you only have to look at how one's tax bill is tripled or quadrupled with a modestly higher CC or emissions band on a particular vehicle. It is a majorly unbalanced system that is resulting in diminishing returns for the exchequer and is going to continue with the likes of this knome mentality seen on here.

Its pretty much fact for insurance!

On tax people argue its too much etc. (which i think it is) but the choice is there to buy a 1 or 1.2 litre car and pay low ish tax. System is what it is. Prices aren't hidden.

Im not arguing the system is wrong or calling anyone scum. Tax at the pump would be the fairest all round as it'd be based on use rather than just posession on a public road.

Nino Brown

ted1 wrote: »

Why do the Gardai check for tax? Why not the revenue? After all the Gardai don't look for tax returns?

Just putting it in the fuel. Much easier and cheaper to collect

Then you'd have cars running on green diesel, kerosene, and boys would be robbing chippers and only taking the cooking oil.....
In all fairness tho, adding it to to fuel would be a much fairer system, and people can pay as they go rather than taking the big hit every year. I don't know why they don't do it that way.

corktina

ted1 wrote: »

Why do the Gardai check for tax? Why not the revenue? After all the Gardai don't look for tax returns?

Just putting it in the fuel. Much easier and cheaper to collect

well, in the UK if your car is not declared off the road and not taxed you get a fine in the post. Coming soon to these shores I'd bet.

kermitpwee

CiniO wrote: »

Yes.
Acquaintance of mine was driving around from Mayo to Cork and back, and on a way back around Galway he passed Garda car coming from opposite direction.
Once they passed, Garda car turned back, caught him up and pulled him over.
He was done for driving without tax, nct, and insurance, but afaik he avoided court appearance by changing address or possibly giving the wrong one.

Funny enough a year later he was going the same way in different car, again without nct, tax or insurance, and again the same story. Garda car turned around and pulled him over. Even more funny that this was the same garda officer as year before.

Both incidents wouldn't have happened if ANPR didn't exist.

I hope your acquaintance gets jail, scumbag driving with no insurance.

corktina

discombobulate wrote: »

Its pretty much fact for insurance!

On tax people argue its too much etc. (which i think it is) but the choice is there to buy a 1 or 1.2 litre car and pay low ish tax. System is what it is. Prices aren't hidden.

Im not arguing the system is wrong or calling anyone scum. Tax at the pump would be the fairest all round as it'd be based on use rather than just posession on a public road.

why stop at tax? let's put insurance and the NCT on the petrol, what about new tyres too that would be a safety thing..... it won't happen, it isn't sensible.

PurvesGrundy

Nino Brown wrote: »

I fully agree it's an unfair, unbalanced system. Unfortunately you don't get to choose the taxes you pay. Wheter you agree with it or not is irrelevant. If you have a problem with it, pay it, and petition your TD.

Nothing will happen though and my wallet will be lighter by 300-400 quid for three months tax on a fifteen year old 2.5 litre car with a dodgy clutch and a blocked-up crankcase.

No one in this country does anything about anything and people will put up with **** continuing to be flung at them, while the minority that would like to see a change are not great enough in number to create an impact.

ABajaninCork

ofcork wrote: »

In the last year ive been asked for my licence twice and also been asked to blow in the bag and all in and around cork city.

For some strange reason, the Gards always pull me over in Cork. No problem as the rent's in order. The NCT's out, but I have proof of booking in the glove box as well as the text.

We then have a discussion as to whether I should change my UK licence for an Irish one. It ends with the Gard waving me on.

Funny thing though. We were driving through Lower Glanmire Rd., a couple of weeks ago. Fella pulled into the petrol station, closely followed by the Gards who promptly took his car! Not sure what for though.

discombobulate

CiniO wrote: »

But why do you want people to drive tiny dangerous sh1tboxes?
Because government said so? We want Irish people to drive small cars, so we will put sky high tax prices for anything bigger. That doesn't make sense.

Where did I say I "wanted" people to drive small engined cars? As i've said it doesn't make sense but it is what it is.

discombobulate

corktina wrote: »

why stop at tax? let's put insurance and the NCT on the petrol, what about new tyres too that would be a safety thing..... it won't happen, it isn't sensible.

Well why do they do it in a lot of other EU countries such as France? The rest of your post is just stupid.

PurvesGrundy

ba_barabus wrote: »

Surely you mean capitalism ?

No, because the rates on some engines are high to the extent that it is almost forbidding people to drive them.

BlatentCheek

Nino Brown wrote: »

I don't know why they don't do it that way.

The revenue probably prefer a broad tax base for various reasons.

It would be interesting to see how much such a tax system would add to the price of every litre. I suspect a lot of people would be pissed off if fuel went up much; most of all those not paying motor tax at the moment.

Nino Brown

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Nothing will happen though and my wallet will be lighter by 300-400 quid for three months tax on a fifteen year old 2.5 litre car with a dodgy clutch and a blocked-up crankcase.

No one in this country does anything about anything and people will put up with **** continuing to be flung at them, while the minority that would like to see a change are not great enough in number to create an impact.

Buts that's how a democratic system works, when the minority becomes the majority things change. Despite all the complaining we do about motor tax, it hasn't got to the point where the majority care enough to do anything about it, so it must be a widely acceptable tax.
If everybody who has a problem with the tax actually cared enough to do something about it, things might change, but they don't. Not paying in protest, is not a real protest, because you don't want the system you're supposedly protesting against to know you're doing it, so it's basically just tax evasion. People need to make more noise to politicians and in the mean time, pay their taxes.
On a side note, 2.5L engine, E1500 road tax, bad clutch, blocked crank case...have you considered a change?