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Sex offender free to go

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Fast track the deportation, problem solved. It is not the judicial system at fault here, he has done his time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Smidge wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/bus-sex-offender-free-to-go-despite-deportation-order-29554396.html

    Didn't see anything posted about this on here so thought I'd put it up as I found it mind-boggling.
    I know the judicial system here is a bit of a farce but surely this takes that cake.

    What got to me from the article that he was convicted of 7 counts of sexual assault and only served 14 months in prison.
    And now free to roam at his hearts content.

    How long do you want him to be locked up for? What he did was fairly low down on the scale of sex offences. A step or two up from Neil Prendeville but nothing too desperate


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Bus wanker.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    MadsL wrote: »
    Fast track the deportation, problem solved. It is not the judicial system at fault here, he has done his time.

    In the article it states that the offender has appealed the deportation order so it is a judicial matter. It cannot be "fast tracked".

    Also, 14 months for 7 sexual assaults?
    That's 2 months jail time for each assault.
    I'm sure it will take those women a hell of a lot longer than 2 months to get over it.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Smidge wrote: »
    In the article it states that the offender has appealed the deportation order so it is a judicial matter. It cannot be "fast tracked".

    Also, 14 months for 7 sexual assaults?
    That's 2 months jail time for each assault.
    I'm sure it will take those women a hell of a lot longer than 2 months to get over it.

    Not much of a deterrent, only 14 months.

    He should be under something like a supervision order - at least - until the deportation is sorted out.

    If he's dangerous enough to want out of the country, he's dangerous enough to keep an eye on, at the absolute least he should be reporting daily to the guards or a probation officer. How that can be legally made to come about though, I don't know.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    He jacked off on a bus... hardly the worst like.

    How long it takes them to get over it has no relation to how long he should be locked up for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,494 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Holsten wrote: »
    He jacked off on a bus... hardly the worst like.

    Well, there's a bit more to it than that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    Fairly vague language used in article.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    How long do you want him to be locked up for? What he did was fairly low down on the scale of sex offences. A step or two up from Neil Prendeville but nothing too desperate

    So, some sexual offences are acceptable?

    Can you provide me a breakdown of which you consider acceptable, so I can perpetrate them on the women in your life :rolleyes:

    Sexual offenders should not be allowed walk free, it is a sad state of affairs (sniggers) when that happens


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Holsten wrote: »
    He jacked off on a bus... hardly the worst like.

    How long it takes them to get over it has no relation to how long he should be locked up for.
    Ohh, the empathy. Good take on things right there.. emm..


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  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Holsten wrote: »
    He jacked off on a bus... hardly the worst like.

    No, he sat beside women, put his hands on them and wanked, publicly.

    If he sat on an outside seat, they were effectively trapped, especially if shock immobilised them, then they were touched by a complete stranger while he masturbated.

    Don't underestimate how horrible something like that is for them to endure, or excuse him.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    How long do you want him to be locked up for? What he did was fairly low down on the scale of sex offences. A step or two up from Neil Prendeville but nothing too desperate
    Smidge wrote: »
    Also, 14 months for 7 sexual assaults?
    That's 2 months jail time for each assault.
    I'm sure it will take those women a hell of a lot longer than 2 months to get over it.


    Two years per assault would be more like it. Maybe not for the first offence, but second offence on, he has no excuse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Holsten wrote: »
    He jacked off on a bus... hardly the worst like.

    How long it takes them to get over it has no relation to how long he should be locked up for.

    If he did this once ie as you say "jacked off on a bus" you might think "Idiot".
    But he repeatedly targeted women with this behaviour on multiple occasions.

    I find it interesting that in other threads like the customer service one, people got highly annoyed over little things like sneezing while doing someones hair.

    But targeting women and commiting a sexual assault is seen as "hardly the worst".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    Ummm - can someone explain this to me?

    He was convicted of a crime.
    He went to jail.
    Now he is being released, because his jail time is up?

    So he is free to ago, after serving his sentence for the crime he committed?

    I don't see why this is something to be outraged over. If you feel all criminals should be in jail *forever* - that's a fine enough stance to have, but until the laws change, we don't have mandatory life sentences.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Ohh, the empathy. Good take on things right there.. emm..

    I always wonder how people would feel if their Mam or little sister had been one of these women who were assaulted and came in from work etc shaking and shocked(its not normal for a stranger to sit next to you on a bus and grope you while masturbating)?

    2 months might really feel like an added insult if these woman were your family but then again this type of thing "always happens to someone else".
    Doesn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    Smidge wrote: »
    I always wonder how people would feel if their Mam or little sister had been one of these women who were assaulted and came in from work etc shaking and shocked(its not normal for a stranger to sit next to you on a bus and grope you while masturbating)?

    2 months might really feel like an added insult if these woman were your family but then again this type of thing "always happens to someone else".
    Doesn't it?

    You can't look at it like that and thankfully neither does the justice system.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,793 ✭✭✭Red Kev


    So this seems to be a good opportunity for Shatter to introduce a system where it's possible to accelerate the appeal process to prevent this happening again.

    Will he do this? More than likely not. And that's another failing of the justice system, nobody at the top seems to want to change anything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    UCDVet wrote: »
    Ummm - can someone explain this to me?

    He was convicted of a crime.
    He went to jail.
    Now he is being released, because his jail time is up?

    So he is free to ago, after serving his sentence for the crime he committed?

    I don't see why this is something to be outraged over. If you feel all criminals should be in jail *forever* - that's a fine enough stance to have, but until the laws change, we don't have mandatory life sentences.

    I dont think anyone is saying he should be in jail forever.
    But he committed multiple sexual assaults(not just one)and has proved himself a sexual predator.
    It is the length of the time served(his probation is longer than the time served)and the fact that he was sentenced to be deported upon release.
    He is now free and has appealed the deportation order, so is walking free.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Holsten wrote: »
    You can't look at it like that and thankfully neither does the justice system.
    if it's alright with you, I'll pick me own way of looking at it. If it was one of my sisters he'd done this to, or my daughter, I'd be taking a fairly dim view. I take a fairly dim view no matter who's sister, mum or daughter he did this to also, btw. He is a predator, and a cowardly one at that. He needs to be slapped with a deportation order.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Holsten wrote: »
    You can't look at it like that and thankfully neither does the justice system.

    But you can look at it like that because its exactly like that.
    Its not like getting your pocket picked.
    Its a physical, sexual assault on a person. Who has feelings and emotions.
    The court does not look at it that way but the people who have been assaulted do.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    Smidge wrote: »
    I dont think anyone is saying he should be in jail forever.
    But he committed multiple sexual assaults(not just one)and has proved himself a sexual predator.
    It is the length of the time served(his probation is longer than the time served)and the fact that he was sentenced to be deported upon release.
    He is now free and has appealed the deportation order, so is walking free.

    Fair enough - I just would have expected people to get upset when the judge sentenced him, instead of when he was being released.

    It seems reasonable that he'd be free after being released. And it seems reasonable that someone might appeal a deportation order, given that people are allowed to do that and we have a process for it.

    I know I'm on the extreme end of this - but I really think the world would be a better place if we would sentence these types of criminals *to death*. But I understand there are issues what that and most people aren't going to share my view.

    But regardless, this seems like exactly what we would expect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    UCDVet wrote: »
    Fair enough - I just would have expected people to get upset when the judge sentenced him, instead of when he was being released.

    It seems reasonable that he'd be free after being released. And it seems reasonable that someone might appeal a deportation order, given that people are allowed to do that and we have a process for it.

    I know I'm on the extreme end of this - but I really think the world would be a better place if we would sentence these types of criminals *to death*. But I understand there are issues what that and most people aren't going to share my view.

    But regardless, this seems like exactly what we would expect.

    I'm not too sure if you are being facetious here.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    UCDVet wrote: »
    Ummm - can someone explain this to me?

    He was convicted of a crime.
    He went to jail.
    Now he is being released, because his jail time is up?

    So he is free to ago, after serving his sentence for the crime he committed?

    I don't see why this is something to be outraged over. If you feel all criminals should be in jail *forever* - that's a fine enough stance to have, but until the laws change, we don't have mandatory life sentences.

    No probs UCDvet, I'll explain it:

    This is something to be outraged over because:
    1. The lad didn't get enough time in jail. The time he did get was not just. And that is what a justice system is supposed to be all about, being just.
    2. The lad did this 7 times. He clearly has a problem, and is a threat to our population. But, due to red tape, he is now walking free. Red tape won the day over our safety.
    However, those two reasons should not cause concern. They should cause fury.

    I always get the feeling, when someone shows indifference to a particular injustice, that they would secretly love it to happen to them!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    newmug wrote: »
    No probs UCDvet, I'll explain it:

    This is something to be outraged over because:
    1. The lad didn't get enough time in jail. The time he did get was not just. And that is what a justice system is supposed to be all about, being just.
    2. The lad did this 7 times. He clearly has a problem, and is a threat to our population. But, due to red tape, he is now walking free. Red tape won the day over our safety.
    However, those two reasons should not cause concern. They should cause fury.

    I always get the feeling, when someone shows indifference to a particular injustice, that they would secretly love it to happen to them!

    ...he has a problem, was sentenced, is on the sex offenders register. He isn't free because of "red tape". He's free because he has served the time he was sentenced too, and - until his appeal succeeds or otherwise - is entitled to be out by law.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    newmug wrote: »
    No probs UCDvet, I'll explain it:

    This is something to be outraged over because:
    1. The lad didn't get enough time in jail. The time he did get was not just. And that is what a justice system is supposed to be all about, being just.
    2. The lad did this 7 times. He clearly has a problem, and is a threat to our population. But, due to red tape, he is now walking free. Red tape won the day over our safety.
    However, those two reasons should not cause concern. They should cause fury.

    I always get the feeling, when someone shows indifference to a particular injustice, that they would secretly love it to happen to them!

    I suppose I would have expected outrage at the time when he was sentenced. A judge, reviewed the case, made a judgement call and sentenced him to a certain time in jail. Maybe it was a big deal at the time, and I just missed it, but this is news to me.

    Now he's been released after serving the sentence he was given. It just seems odd to me that we'd be upset about that.

    The deportation thing, maybe it is red-tape, but it seems like nothing new. If we should change it, I'd probably support it, but the newspaper article is written as if this was somehow unexpected.

    At least, that is my interpretation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    It is ridiculous that he wasn't forced into rehabilitation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    So, some sexual offences are acceptable?

    Can you provide me a breakdown of which you consider acceptable, so I can perpetrate them on the women in your life :rolleyes:

    Sexual offenders should not be allowed walk free, it is a sad state of affairs (sniggers) when that happens

    I never claimed they were acceptable but he done 2 months in jail for each one. Although not a nice experience I doubt these women are traumatised for life because someone copped a feel off them and had a **** beside them on the bus.

    His sentence should be enough to 'learn him'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭mitosis


    Candie wrote: »
    No, he sat beside women, put his hands on them and wanked, publicly.

    If he sat on an outside seat, they were effectively trapped, especially if shock immobilised them, then they were touched by a complete stranger while he masturbated.

    Don't underestimate how horrible something like that is for them to endure, or excuse him.

    I'm having trouble finding this anywhere.

    The guy should definitely be sent home, and from the way he committed the offence, safe to say he generally, if not always, sat on the outside.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    mitosis wrote: »
    I'm having trouble finding this anywhere.

    The guy should definitely be sent home, and from the way he committed the offence, safe to say he generally, if not always, sat on the outside.

    It's the last line of the article


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    I never claimed they were acceptable but he done 2 months in jail for each one. Although not a nice experience I doubt these women are traumatised for life because someone copped a feel off them and had a **** beside them on the bus.

    His sentence should be enough to 'learn him'.

    And this is the kind of attitude that ensures that sexual offences against women are not taken seriously here.

    "Shure what's the problem? I was only having a laugh, de frigid b1tch"


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