International Football - RIP?

lala88

Yesterday a well known bookmaker posted a cartoon on social media with the caption, "Internationals this weekend! Who cares?!?"

A host of people responded and the majority of them agreed with the opinion.

My own view is that it's opinions like these that are what's wrong with modern football.

Discuss.

eagle eye

The World Cup is the nut soccer tournament.

All those people who say they don't care about international soccer are into instant gratification and everytime the World Cup comes around they will be glued to their tvs and so thankful to have football in the summer.

WesternZulu

Them same people would happily jump on the bandwagon if Ireland were to do anyways half decent in a tournament.

titan18

eagle eye wrote: »

The World Cup is the nut soccer tournament.

All those people who say they don't care about international soccer are into instant gratification and everytime the World Cup comes around they will be glued to their tvs and so thankful to have football in the summer.

Except if they move it to the Winter. I'll be pissed then.

I am pie

Peaks and troughs...if Ireland had one or two games to go and a good chance of qualifying the country would be glued to the games, remember the Ireland France games for the world cup qualifiers, people cared then alright.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

The qualificartions are never a big deal: England get an easy group that their own fans find it hard to get excited about while Ireland usually end of playing a series of boring draws with the 2nd 3rd 4th seed teams and miss out because the other teams usually managed to beat each once or goal difference because we didnt get enough against the weaker teams.

losthorizon

lala88 wrote: »

Yesterday a well known bookmaker posted a cartoon on social media with the caption, "Internationals this weekend! Who cares?!?"

A host of people responded and the majority of them agreed with the opinion.

My own view is that it's opinions like these that are what's wrong with modern football.

Discuss.

Its a Bookmaker! Reminding people to bet. And now we are all talking about these games. Well done Bookmaker that worked.

Dont be at yourself

lala88 wrote: »

Yesterday a well known bookmaker posted a cartoon on social media with the caption, "Internationals this weekend! Who cares?!?"

A host of people responded and the majority of them agreed with the opinion.

My own view is that it's opinions like these that are what's wrong with modern football.

Discuss.

Too many meaningless friendlies, too many games on at odd times (Friday nights, or 5/6pm kick offs on a weekdays) and long winded qualification.

There should be smaller groups, resulting in less matches, and these should be played in concentrated windows, 3 or 4 matches in a row to build some momentum.

Coming back to the Irelans game now tomorrow, you're scratching your head trying to remember the previous results and current situation in the group.

I also thought that the Cup of Nations was a great use of the friendly dates, but I seem to be in the minority there...

Chucky the tree

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Too many meaningless friendlies, too many games on at odd times (Friday nights, or 5/6pm kick offs on a weekdays) and long winded qualification.

There should be smaller groups, resulting in less matches, and these should be played in concentrated windows, 3 or 4 matches in a row to build some momentum.

Coming back to the Irelans game now tomorrow, you're scratching your head trying to remember the previous results and current situation in the group.

I also thought that the Cup of Nations was a great use of the friendly dates, but I seem to be in the minority there...

I love the friday night game time.

Bounty Hunter

International football who cares?

umm everyone where I'm living but then again they have a world class side and are playing local rivals and usually employ tactics that result in good attractive football. I'm sure if Ireland had a team good enough to be ranked #2 in the world and were playing England tomorrow everyone would be going nuts for it instead of wishing our next door neighbors league wasn't on an international break cos thats where we get our top quality football fix from in general.

Paully D

eagle eye wrote: »

The World Cup is the nut soccer tournament.

All those people who say they don't care about international soccer are into instant gratification and everytime the World Cup comes around they will be glued to their tvs and so thankful to have football in the summer.

To be honest, I'm like that.

I love watching Ireland play and the big tournaments such as the World Cup and European Championships, but I'd take a Premier League gameweek over an International gameweek 100 times out of 100.

GLaDOS

Will happily watch either (competitive) International or Club football as a neutral. Though in terms of support, Bohs > Ireland.

KingdomYid

I am pie wrote: »

Peaks and troughs...if Ireland had one or two games to go and a good chance of qualifying the country would be glued to the games, remember the Ireland France games for the world cup qualifiers, people cared then alright.

Exactly right. Today alone i saw on another thread fans saying they will watch the Germany game instead of the Irish one just to see a new signing for the club they support. Real football fans would be at the game tomorrow night.

bucketybuck

I'd rather kick a wall with my bare feet for an hour than watch Trappatoni's Ireland team, so I couldn't care less about the internationals.

Not sure how that means I am not a real football fan, since I have never proclaimed to be a big Ireland fan. I wonder though, if I traveled to an FAI game every week for the next ten years but still didn't go to internationals, would I still not be a real football fan? Or would I be like 50% football fan? Its so hard to tell these days what we need to do to appease the die-hards.

WesternZulu

bucketybuck wrote: »

I'd rather kick a wall with my bare feet for an hour than watch Trappatoni's Ireland team, so I couldn't care less about the internationals.

Not sure how that means I am not a real football fan, since I have never proclaimed to be a big Ireland fan. I wonder though, if I traveled to an FAI game every week for the next ten years but still didn't go to internationals, would I still not be a real football fan? Or would I be like 50% football fan? Its so hard to tell these days what we need to do to appease the die-hards.

Who do you support as a matter of interest, and would you be as quick to drop them if they went through a bad spell or were as equally as bad to watch as Ireland under Trap?

You don't just support a team when they are playing well and playing good football...that's the easy part.

Nuri Sahin

I make no excuses, I care more about Liverpool and Dortmund, far more than I do about international football in the grand scheme of things and I very much lump Ireland in with that.

However, I do enjoy the international tournaments once they roll around as it is a hotbed of football, styles and cultures clashing in one big party atmosphere for close to a month pretty day in and day out. For that alone is why I enjoy it. Once it's over, just give me my club football back ASAP. When Ireland were involved in Euro 2012, I didn't get emotionally involved. Instead I put up huge stakes in backing against them and raked it in. Was I disgusted with myself? Hell no. It paid for a trip to see BVB and LFC as well as a new set of fancy golf irons! :pac:

I also find international qualifying a tedious process, one that must be done of course, but awfully tedious nonetheless. Likewise friendlies, although the standard of friendlies this past year has gone up immensely due to teams being less rigid in trying out new tactics, players and formations. The last batch of friendlies in particular had some truly cracking games it must be said. Kudos on that front!

Since there is no truly stand out game tomorrow and if I have nowt on during the afternoon (EST here), I may well watch the Ireland game.. if Ibra plays. Yeah, I'm being serious here. Irish pubs will have beer cheaper for the game too, so that sounds like a plan

devotional1993

KingdomYid wrote: »

Exactly right. Today alone i saw on another thread fans saying they will watch the Germany game instead of the Irish one just to see a new signing for the club they support. Real football fans would be at the game tomorrow night.

True
There is a lot of that-Its not cool to support the national team the last few years. Much cooler to be a bar stooler supporting the English league over a few pints!

Looking forward to the match tomr-should be a great atmosphere with the Swedish fans before the match too. coybig!

GTR63

lala88 wrote: »

Yesterday a well known bookmaker posted a cartoon on social media with the caption, "Internationals this weekend! Who cares?!?"

A host of people responded and the majority of them agreed with the opinion.

My own view is that it's opinions like these that are what's wrong with modern football.

Discuss.

International football is an accumulator killer thats why.

brianregan09

I care love watching my country who wouldn't really (soccer fan anyway)

mitosis

WesternZulu wrote: »

Who do you support as a matter of interest, and would you be as quick to drop them if they went through a bad spell or were as equally as bad to watch as Ireland under Trap?

You don't just support a team when they are playing well and playing good football...that's the easy part.

I'd lay money its Man U

bucketybuck

WesternZulu wrote: »

Who do you support as a matter of interest, and would you be as quick to drop them if they went through a bad spell or were as equally as bad to watch as Ireland under Trap?

You don't just support a team when they are playing well and playing good football...that's the easy part.

You just completely missed the point.

You ask would I be as quick to drop them, when I even said in my post that I was never a big Ireland fan to begin with. Drop them? I've never picked them up, how can I drop them?

machiavellianme

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Too many meaningless friendlies, too many games on at odd times (Friday nights, or 5/6pm kick offs on a weekdays) and long winded qualification.

There should be smaller groups, resulting in less matches, and these should be played in concentrated windows, 3 or 4 matches in a row to build some momentum.
...

I agree. If there was a qualifying tournament every second summer, with the main event on in between. That'd mean a tournament of sorts every summer, momentum is up and its all neatly done

Mr.Nice Guy

I've always felt the opposition to international football was a primarily English thing, and when I say English I really mean those who support the big English clubs - United, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. If you check the ratings of England's football matches, they do extremely well. I believe the figures for England vs Italy at the Euros last year were some of the highest of that year. There is definitely an interest, but the more vocal fanbases over there deride it and dismiss it for a multitude of reasons: a persecution complex; a feeling that they are more into their clubs if they reject the national team; and so on.

As regards Ireland, I believe there is a similar connection. People who mimic this sort of perspective because they see it across the water and feel it makes them better fans.

Personally, I love international football. Alan McLoughlin's late goal at Windsor park in '93; McGrath's performance against Italy in 1994; Saipan, and losing the shootout to Spain; Henry and that damn handball and Duff's tears.

These are moments that are part and parcel of why I love the sport of football. Some good, some bad. But always important because they involve my country.

I think in fact I am becoming even more interested in international football as I observe how bonkers club football is getting. I struggle to believe that many of these multi-millionaires, who sign a bumper contract and kiss a crest one minute, and then instruct their agents to get them a move elsewhere almost as quick, give a damn about the ordinary punters. But I can still believe - for now at least - that those who pull on the green jersey genuinely care about doing well for the people of the country.

There's a lot to be said for football that is about playing for pride and passion. It seems increasingly lacking in the club game when you have world class players signing for small teams because they have fat wallets. Because it's an exciting 'project'. You can't put a price on a World Cup or Euros experience. Ask Welsh and NI and Scotland fans, many of them who haven't yet got to see one. Nothing in sport quite brings fans together like an international football tournament.

I remember the last World Cup and seeing all the houses all around me decked out in ticker tape and tricolours. Critics will scoff and point out that they probably didn't watch the qualifiers. But they miss the magic of it. Communities showing solidarity in a society that seems increasingly self-absorbed and cut off. Kids getting caught up in the excitement of it all. I can remember '98, a tournament we weren't even involved in, and me and my friends being blown away by Bergkamp's goal against Argentina. This is what sport is supposed to be about: capturing the imagination.

Is this a load of romanticised, teary-eyed nostalgia? Course it is. I'll admit it. But how well can you romanticize Messi and co. winning another Champions League? What would you give to see the little man destroying international sides and leading a Maradona-esque charge towards a World Cup final?

You enjoy the Champions League anthem before games? So do I. But will that come close to the Brazilian anthem being belted out by a nation of people next year eager to see themselves exorcize the demons of losing the 1950 final to Uruguay on their own turf?

And as for your own country -did your own heart not burst with joy and pride to see a young Damien Duff tearing Spain a new one at the 2002 World Cup? Do you mean to tell me it means more to you to see some youngster at the club you support, probably foreign if Greg Dyke is to be believed, making a similar impact? I struggle to believe it.

International football for me represents the beauty of the game. Yes there are deep flaws: those charged with watching over it who frequently disappoint, and the awful commercialism that has crept into it, but the game is about the nation and the people. It hasn't forgotten them, and I'm not sure the same can be said about the club game.

munchkin_utd

ach, have tickets for Germany v Austria tomorrow in Munich Allianz arena and looking forward to it.

Its david v goliath but old school, i.e. not one bunch of expensive mercenaries against a lesser valued bunch of players but a team representing one tribe playing another. Its professionals playing for pride, not cash.
Germany with one of the best generations of players ever against their next door neighbours who have a few handy players and would really love to knock them off the perch.
And the ticket only cost 25euro (which it probably would have been even if they were playing holland) .

Oh, and the game (69,000 capacity) sold out in a day or 2 so its far from the case that international football is loosing its veneer.

That said, if the english national team is held in contempt by the public and clubs in England then I am perfectly happy for that to continue. It'll leave the clubs to focus on their thing and extend Englands miserable international record for the foreseeable future.
A win win situation.

Lennonist

lala88 wrote: »

Yesterday a well known bookmaker posted a cartoon on social media with the caption, "Internationals this weekend! Who cares?!?"

A host of people responded and the majority of them agreed with the opinion.

My own view is that it's opinions like these that are what's wrong with modern football.

Discuss.

Can you tell us the name of the bookmaker firm,was it meant for the English market? Ireland qualifying and playing in big tournaments will always be a big event here.

I think the EPL has taken over big time in terms of English football and English players' mindsets. Gary Neville and Paul Scholes talked about the lack of application with English players when on international duty, who in recent years concentrate more than ever on their club careers to the detriment of their international team. They still want to get capped for England but only because it might boost their profile to get a move to a bigger club.

International football is still relevant in most other countries including those who have relatively strong leagues, like Spain, Germany and Italy. Just because the English have kind of thrown their hat at it recently doesn't mean it's struggling in terms of it's stature and importance in football globally. International football is very much alive and kicking.

Mr Whirly

Can't wait for the game tomorrow. Belt it out of work, pub, match, pub again. Nothing better.

bohsboy

Club stuff is dead. Badge kissers on 150k a week, give me a break.

I love the international games, a chance for the smaller nations to have a pop at the big boys. I actually think its going through a bit of a revival with increased attendances across Europe lately.

SlickRic

football is little more than a consumer product to the majority here.

for this majority, the Premier League, La Liga etc offer a better product in terms of entertainment to be consumed than international football.

it's as simple as that.

and people shouldn't be offended by the word "consumer". it's just a fact. we treat it as a product that entertains us. there's nothing wrong with that. you can treat the game whatever way you see fit.

but it's a culture that has lent itself to the relative lack of enthusiasm by many to international games, because it's usually simply "not as good" as the football we enjoy week to week.

nothing quite like being at an Ireland game though IMO. can't wait for tomorrow.

Ferris_Bueller

I would rather see Ireland win a throw in than Liverpool win a Premier League, different strokes for different folks I guess. My guess is people don't follow it as much as club football because they can't watch it from a week to week basis, but surely the world cup is the greatest sporting spectacle on earth? Gets me excited just thinking about it - even if Ireland don't qualify.

Amirani

I don't want to quote it (because it's quite long), but that's a fantastic post Mr.Nice Guy. Worthy of a link the next time International Football is derided as being "worthless" or "irrelevant".

I'm more of a Bohs fan than an Ireland fan admittedly, but international football can have some amazing moments. The World Cup is the greatest sporting competition on Earth.

Lennonist

SlickRic wrote: »

football is little more than a consumer product to the majority here.

for this majority, the Premier League, La Liga etc offer a better product in terms of entertainment to be consumed than international football.

it's as simple as that.

and people shouldn't be offended by the word "consumer". it's just a fact. we treat it as a product that entertains us. there's nothing wrong with that. you can treat the game whatever way you see fit.

but it's a culture that has lent itself to the relative lack of enthusiasm by many to international games, because it's usually simply "not as good" as the football we enjoy week to week.

nothing quite like being at an Ireland game though IMO. can't wait for tomorrow.

The international game is as much a "consumer" product as the club game is, not sure what you're trying to say there. When it comes to the actual World Cup and Euro's tournaments those two "products" have much more to offer football enthusiasts than any domestic club league does in my view. The only club tournament that can compete/compare with the international tournaments is the Champions League.

noodler

Lennonist wrote: »

The international game is as much a "consumer" product as the club game is, not sure what you're trying to say there. When it comes to the actual World Cup and Euro's tournaments those two "products" have much more to offer football enthusiasts than any domestic club league does in my view. The only club tournament that can compete/compare with the international tournaments is the Champions League.

I don't think international football is anywhere near as much a consumer product as the club game. Don't get me wrong, it has its elements of course but they are certainly not on the same level.



I love international football.

I love that there are no transfers, that superstars for club teams like Bale or Keane or Ibra have to go home and slum it out with journeymen for a collective cause that isn't about money.

I love watching out for the other celtic nations games, I love seeing which countries are emerging with surprise package national teams.

I really think there is something wrong with people when their premier league team plays 50 odd games a season and they scorn the fact that half a dozen international breaks (maybe less) per year make them miss United/Liverpool/Chelsea etc play.

thebaz

Used to be mad for International football - then post Saipan and the whole Roy Keane fiasco , lost interest in International football gradually - it doesn't help that I can't warm to Trapps dour style - yes it is effective , but doesnt excite me - I'm already looking forward to return of club football in 2 weeks, with all the new signings. I feal like a traitor being honest :mad:

FlawedGenius

I think the opposite. Club football is now whoever has the most money wins the trophies, I know its always been a bit like that but now more than ever.
International football should be more popular than ever but theres so many nothing games now eg England v Moldova it turns people off.

You cant beat a Euros or World Cup imo.

COYVB

Never really had any interest in international football or any international sports apart from ones where i know or have played with some of the players to be honest. It's possibly to do with never really getting patriotism.

K-9

As the PL and CL gets bigger and bigger and friendlies seen as nuisances by mangers, international football is suffering. Club fans are dreading a player getting injured on international duty, between league, cup and European games international games become an unwelcome break in anything up to a 60 game season.

Having said that, I don't understand people not following Ireland or whatever country they are from. World Cups and European Championships are big events, like the Olympics, would hardly ever follow any of the sports in it but I get caught up in the drama and entertainment, you'd swear I was a huge fan of BMX cycling! Ireland being there makes it far more exciting and enthralling

As for transfers, Ireland is pretty good at picking up players under the granny rule, not quiet Bale territory but I always find that part interesting.

titan18

Tbh, and this is probably a weird opinion, but Ireland is just somewhere I've been born in. I don't particularly care for the place, I care for my family so I stay here (although I do like the weather weirdly). So, I don't hold any sort of want for Ireland to do well in stuff, I don't particularly care. Individuals in sports can be different, but I don't feel the need to support Ireland just cos I happen to have been born here

Wolf Club

KingdomYid wrote: »

Exactly right. Today alone i saw on another thread fans saying they will watch the Germany game instead of the Irish one just to see a new signing for the club they support. Real football fans would be at the game tomorrow night.

In fairness, what Stoke fan could not be tempted by the prospect of seeing new man Marko Arnautovic in action for Austria :pac:

In seriousness though, I think the way the standard in international football has dropped in comparison to club football has been the reason for this, and I don't just mean the Ireland team. There were some decent enough games at Euro '12 last year, but the standard is much lower than the Champions League.

simongurnick

Almost missed the birth of my second child to see the Ireland France (handball) playoff.

Corholio

Can't believe this discussion has come from an ad for a Bookmaker.

International football is where it's always been, intermittently popular when international matches are on. I don't understand what the R.I.P. means? Are people actually saying it mightn't exist someday?

Some people follow it more than others. Nothing new there. Some people think the money of clubs will 'kill' international football, again nothing new there. But yet when the World Cup rolls around, half the world will be watching. Not having this 'real fan' nonsense either, who are people who go to huge international stadiums with the best facilities to watch a team from the country you happened to be born in have the right to proclaim themselves the 'real fans'? That is just to anyone who actually does that, not Ireland fans in general of course.

briany

Weirdly, for me, I can't get excited by club football the way I would for internationals. It's the nearest thing we have to seeing players of that level play for their community nowadays, playing for the pride of representing their people, their culture and identity. The only people egging on the death of international football are the ones who want to see the game being totally commercially driven. Top club teams become bands of mercenaries who are only there for the money and have little to no attachment to the place or the people the club represents. I like that there's still something in the game that at lease purports to represent a higher ideal.

Optimalprimerib

KingdomYid wrote: »

Exactly right. Today alone i saw on another thread fans saying they will watch the Germany game instead of the Irish one just to see a new signing for the club they support. Real football fans would be at the game tomorrow night.

Im going to the game tonight. I had a really busy week this week and need to catch up on my sleep.

WesternZulu

I think Mr. Nice Guy summed up exactly how I feel about international football. Absolutely great post!

I had a surreal moment when I went to the Austria game a few months ago with one of my fiends who is a massive united fan and had never been to an Ireland game before.
He turned to me at one stage in the 2nd half and said ''I could get used to this, I feel like I can really idenify with the players now I have seen them live''.
I laughed, this is a lad who has seem man united play about twice in his life, I have seen him cry when they've gotten knocked out of an FA Cup, but yet he could identify more with them more than Ireland :pac:

losthorizon

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I've always felt the opposition to international football was a primarily English thing, and when I say English I really mean those who support the big English clubs - United, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. If you check the ratings of England's football matches, they do extremely well. I believe the figures for England vs Italy at the Euros last year were some of the highest of that year. There is definitely an interest, but the more vocal fanbases over there deride it and dismiss it for a multitude of reasons: a persecution complex; a feeling that they are more into their clubs if they reject the national team; and so on.

As regards Ireland, I believe there is a similar connection. People who mimic this sort of perspective because they see it across the water and feel it makes them better fans.

Personally, I love international football. Alan McLoughlin's late goal at Windsor park in '93; McGrath's performance against Italy in 1994; Saipan, and losing the shootout to Spain; Henry and that damn handball and Duff's tears.

These are moments that are part and parcel of why I love the sport of football. Some good, some bad. But always important because they involve my country.

I think in fact I am becoming even more interested in international football as I observe how bonkers club football is getting. I struggle to believe that many of these multi-millionaires, who sign a bumper contract and kiss a crest one minute, and then instruct their agents to get them a move elsewhere almost as quick, give a damn about the ordinary punters. But I can still believe - for now at least - that those who pull on the green jersey genuinely care about doing well for the people of the country.

There's a lot to be said for football that is about playing for pride and passion. It seems increasingly lacking in the club game when you have world class players signing for small teams because they have fat wallets. Because it's an exciting 'project'. You can't put a price on a World Cup or Euros experience. Ask Welsh and NI and Scotland fans, many of them who haven't yet got to see one. Nothing in sport quite brings fans together like an international football tournament.

I remember the last World Cup and seeing all the houses all around me decked out in ticker tape and tricolours. Critics will scoff and point out that they probably didn't watch the qualifiers. But they miss the magic of it. Communities showing solidarity in a society that seems increasingly self-absorbed and cut off. Kids getting caught up in the excitement of it all. I can remember '98, a tournament we weren't even involved in, and me and my friends being blown away by Bergkamp's goal against Argentina. This is what sport is supposed to be about: capturing the imagination.

Is this a load of romanticised, teary-eyed nostalgia? Course it is. I'll admit it. But how well can you romanticize Messi and co. winning another Champions League? What would you give to see the little man destroying international sides and leading a Maradona-esque charge towards a World Cup final?

You enjoy the Champions League anthem before games? So do I. But will that come close to the Brazilian anthem being belted out by a nation of people next year eager to see themselves exorcize the demons of losing the 1950 final to Uruguay on their own turf?

And as for your own country -did your own heart not burst with joy and pride to see a young Damien Duff tearing Spain a new one at the 2002 World Cup? Do you mean to tell me it means more to you to see some youngster at the club you support, probably foreign if Greg Dyke is to be believed, making a similar impact? I struggle to believe it.

International football for me represents the beauty of the game. Yes there are deep flaws: those charged with watching over it who frequently disappoint, and the awful commercialism that has crept into it, but the game is about the nation and the people. It hasn't forgotten them, and I'm not sure the same can be said about the club game.

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Beefy78

As someone with maybe 250 live club matches under his belt, the only thing that matters is International Football.

Lawrence1895

Fridays without Shels are muck.

/Thead

EdenHazard

Mr.Nice Guy captured it pretty much perfectly. I think in this country people got carried away with Roy Keane's comments in his book, he was talking about the champions league at a different time, tbh the champions league got fairly mundane when the English clubs started to dominate from about 2005, when a team who finishes 5th in England wins the thing, it ruins the prestige.

Beefy78

Lennonist wrote: »

Just because the English have kind of thrown their hat at it recently doesn't mean it's struggling in terms of it's stature and importance in football globally. International football is very much alive and kicking.

Let's put this in context - there are 60,000 plus people at Wembley tonight.
only Germany have a better gate in Europe. They are playing their closest neighbour and England are playing Moldova.

England loves international football and generally get by far the best gates in Europe. Considering the dross we play that should be respected.

Lawrence1895

Beefy78 wrote: »

Let's put this in context - there are 60,000 plus people at Wembley tonight. Nly Germany have a better gate in Europe. They are playing their closest neighbour and England are playing Moldova.

England loves international football and generally get by far the best gates in Europe. Considering the dross we play that should be respected.

10000+ in the attendance are Austrians though

Beefy78

Exactly.

I know you guys like to slag us off, and I understand that and that's fine. But considering the crap we sit through England's support is amazing.

It helps that Wembley is so cheap.

Lawrence1895

Beefy78 wrote: »

Exactly.

I know you guys like to slag us off, and I understand that and that's fine. But considering the crap we sit through England's support is amazing.

It helps that Wembley is so cheap.

How much was a ticket there?

Tickets to see the German team are sometimes very expensive, compared to league matches...48 quid for the cheapest ticket when they played Paraguay in a friendly, for example.