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7pm & the bus lane

  • 04-09-2013 7:05pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭


    I rarely cycle home at this time, I normally cycle at about 6pm or 8pm depending on the day.

    I met my girlfriend on the way home, I pulled up beside her and continued cycling. She prefers single file and to hug the kerb/parked cars. She believes it's safer as she feels safer.

    I cycle out from the kerb and find it's much safer as I have less cars cycling close to me. She often complains of taxis and buses driving too close to her, I now know why they do it.

    Well I didn't cycle beside her for long as the cars who are now using the bus lane at this time really really don't like this, especially when I had to dodge a pothole. The first car was driven by an old man, who insisted on using the horn to get me to pull over. I'm not in the middle of the lane and we are not cycling slow. This car passed, so the several others, but they made the point of driving close to me. One other car beeped.

    After this my girlfriend was livid with me. This just reinforced her idea of staying at the kerb and cycling in single file.

    I have tried to highlight the reasons for cycling side by side and why she should cycle out from the kerb.

    The other issue is drivers using the bus lane at 7pm. They become so reckless. Even in single file they came very close to us and they were not driving at the limit, some were touching 50Mph. I also drive this road a lot and witness the same crap in the bus lane.

    There's rarely any incidents on my cycles, the odd car driving too close or overtaking you on a little roundabout but it's normally an ok cycle.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭hueylewis


    Well, those bloody cyclists don't pay road tax, so why do they get to take up space in the bus lane when it's my time to whizz down it to the next red light?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Zyzz


    Get rid of the girlfriend.

    Problem solved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    hueylewis wrote: »
    Well, those bloody cyclists don't pay road tax, so why do they get to take up space in the bus lane when it's my time to whizz down it to the next red light?

    Unfortunately, myself and many other cyclists pay road tax. :(

    Get rid of the GF... i'll work on it. Shouldn't take much to be honest, lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭cyclic


    Cycling 2 abreast at rush hour just because you're entitled is not really showing any respect to folks trying to get home after a day's graft/ shopping /wasting the day. This is just annoying. C'mon, quit being a jerk and let traffic pass you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,740 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    cyclic wrote: »
    Cycling 2 abreast at rush hour just because you're entitled is not really showing any respect to folks trying to get home after a day's graft/ shopping /wasting the day. This is just annoying. C'mon, quit being a jerk and let traffic pass you.

    Driving in the bus lane after 7 because you're entitled to is not really showing any respect to cyclists trying to get home after a day's graft/shopping/wasting the day. This is just annoying. C'mon, quit being jerks and leave us enough room to feel comfortable on the roads.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭cyclic


    Eh, riding single file is not too tricky at rush hour. Plus it let's the motorists pass easily. Don't see why this is unsafe for the cyclist. Ps I'm a cyclist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,278 ✭✭✭kenmc


    cyclic wrote: »
    Eh, riding single file is not too tricky at rush hour. Plus it let's the motorists pass easily. Don't see why this is unsafe for the cyclist. Ps I'm a cyclist.

    Easily != Safely.
    Q.E.D.

    Besides, if she hugs the kerb like he says, and he doesn't, then in reality the two of them side by side take up pretty much the same amount of space as him riding on his own, not hugging the kerb.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    cyclic wrote: »
    Eh, riding single file is not too tricky at rush hour. Plus it let's the motorists pass easily. Don't see why this is unsafe for the cyclist...

    If you want to overtake, use the other lane (the one that's not the bus lane), if it's not free then don't overtake (your car has brakes, doesn't it?). A squeeze past is very dangerous for the cyclist, there is a very good reason (actually, more than one) why there is a 1.5m recommended distance for overtaking.
    cyclic wrote: »
    ... Ps I'm a cyclist.

    Good for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭hueylewis


    Yep, if it's safe to overtake one person, then it's safe to overtake two. If it's unsafe for two then it would similarly be unsafe for one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭cyclic


    Ok, at the risk of being labelled a pedant, Huey Lewis- if it's safe for one - it's safe for two. And therefore, if it's safe for two, it's safe for three, and if it's safe for three, it's safe for ....etc, etc. Are we not talking 7 in the evening in our capital. What unclogged lane are you going to overtake in? Just a bit of reality.com. Let's all share the roads in a a bit of peace and consideration for each other. As well as being a cyclist, I also drive a taxi, and in the glorious autumn am trying to get the harvest in and therefore on the road with the tractor in the evening, while also doing a bit of bus driving to make ends meet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,740 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    cyclic wrote: »
    Ok, at the risk of being labelled a pedant, Huey Lewis- if it's safe for one - it's safe for two. And therefore, if it's safe for two, it's safe for three, and if it's safe for three, it's safe for ....etc, etc. Are we not talking 7 in the evening in our capital. What unclogged lane are you going to overtake in? Just a bit of reality.com. Let's all share the roads in a a bit of peace and consideration for each other. As well as being a cyclist, I also drive a taxi, and in the glorious autumn am trying to get the harvest in and therefore on the road with the tractor in the evening, while also doing a bit of bus driving to make ends meet.

    Not really, 3 abreast isn't legal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Zyzz


    cyclic wrote: »
    Ok, at the risk of being labelled a pedant, Huey Lewis- if it's safe for one - it's safe for two. And therefore, if it's safe for two, it's safe for three, and if it's safe for three, it's safe for ....etc, etc. Are we not talking 7 in the evening in our capital. What unclogged lane are you going to overtake in? Just a bit of reality.com. Let's all share the roads in a a bit of peace and consideration for each other. As well as being a cyclist, I also drive a taxi, and in the glorious autumn am trying to get the harvest in and therefore on the road with the tractor in the evening, while also doing a bit of bus driving to make ends meet.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭VONSHIRACH


    Cyclists should cycle in single file if there is vehicular traffic behind. I thought everybody knows this.

    http://www.drivingschoolireland.com/pedal-cyclist.html#4


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Plastik


    This is going to get ugly ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭hueylewis


    cyclic wrote: »
    Ok, at the risk of being labelled a pedant, Huey Lewis- if it's safe for one - it's safe for two. And therefore, if it's safe for two, it's safe for three, and if it's safe for three, it's safe for ....etc, etc. Are we not talking 7 in the evening in our capital. What unclogged lane are you going to overtake in? Just a bit of reality.com. Let's all share the roads in a a bit of peace and consideration for each other. As well as being a cyclist, I also drive a taxi, and in the glorious autumn am trying to get the harvest in and therefore on the road with the tractor in the evening, while also doing a bit of bus driving to make ends meet.

    Why would it therefore be safe for three? :confused:

    Moving swiftly on, I dread to think of the scenario in which you'd attempt to overtake two cyclists in single file, where it would have been unsafe if they were two abreast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭cyclic


    Outlining your false logic.

    Not really tough to see why passing 2 cyclists abreast is more difficult for a motorist than 2 in single file in a bus lane. Don't know why you dread thinking about this- it's pretty obvious.

    Anyway, no big deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    VONSHIRACH wrote: »
    Cyclists should cycle in single file if there is vehicular traffic behind. I thought everybody knows this.

    http://www.drivingschoolireland.com/pedal-cyclist.html#4

    according to who? A driving school is hardly an unbiased source. Do yourself a favour, look up the actual RTA's where you will in fact not find that.
    It's safer to cycle two wide and if that causes traffic a couple of seconds delay so be it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭hueylewis


    cyclic wrote: »
    Outlining your false logic.

    Your false logic, you mean. I didn't say anything about more than two cyclists :)
    cyclic wrote: »
    Not really tough to see why passing 2 cyclists abreast is more difficult for a motorist than 2 in single file in a bus lane. Don't know why you dread thinking about this- it's pretty obvious.

    I didn't say anything about difficulty either; I'm talking about safety. I'm sure you could squeeze past cyclists in single file more easily than you could two abreast, but then you wouldn't be overtaking safely, would you? You need to leave at least a meter and a half of space between you and the cyclist you're overtaking, so that will inevitably put you somewhere in the lane to the right as you pass. So the lane to the right will need to be clear for you to make the overtake. If the lane to the right is clear, then you'll be able to overtake two cyclists safely as well. If the lane isn't clear, well, you shouldn't be attempting to overtake anyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Wild_Dogger


    Never is it safer to cycle two a breast !

    You frustrate traffic and spur them into making an irrational overtaking manouvre - typical accident scenrio.

    It's so easy to show respect and co operate with others to allow safe cycling and safe driving for all.

    It is the self righteous knobs going around with go-pro 3 on the helmet , looking for a confrontation that really annoys me.
    Posting 300 or 400 confrontations onto their youtube channel ......... and blaming everybody else.

    Maybe try cycling down the dual-carraigeway at walking speed 9am in the morning - just because you can........ then report back all those ignorant and impatient drivers that shook fists and beeped horns.

    For me - finished cycling a bike after 8 years daily into the city centre and back, no car either with all the traffic jams


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Wild_Dogger


    according to who? look up the actual RTA's where you will in fact not find that.
    .

    You shouldn't need to look up anything .... just give cars room to pass and I'd ask car drivers to give you room to cycle - its simple - black and white.

    Room for both - if both co operate


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Well at least this one brought something new into the equation, since when is after 7 pm rush hour ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Never is it safer to cycle two a breast !

    Ever gone on a club spin of about 40 or 50?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Maybe try cycling down the dual-carraigeway at walking speed 9am in the morning - just because you can........ then report back all those ignorant and impatient drivers that shook fists and beeped horns.

    the ones who'll be sitting in queues of traffic as you breeze by at a healthy 30kph plus you mean?:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    cyclic wrote: »
    Cycling 2 abreast at rush hour just because you're entitled is not really showing any respect to folks trying to get home after a day's graft/ shopping /wasting the day. This is just annoying. C'mon, quit being a jerk and let traffic pass you.

    ??? But I didn't stop traffic from passing me. The traffic just chose to pass me when it suited them and not at the right moment. It wasn't safe for some of these cars to overtake, but they did it anyway.
    hueylewis wrote: »
    Yep, if it's safe to overtake one person, then it's safe to overtake two. If it's unsafe for two then it would similarly be unsafe for one.

    I can't understand this at all, sorry.
    VONSHIRACH wrote: »
    Cyclists should cycle in single file if there is vehicular traffic behind. I thought everybody knows this.

    http://www.drivingschoolireland.com/pedal-cyclist.html#4
    Never is it safer to cycle two a breast !

    You frustrate traffic and spur them into making an irrational overtaking manouvre - typical accident scenrio.

    It's so easy to show respect and co operate with others to allow safe cycling and safe driving for all.

    It is the self righteous knobs going around with go-pro 3 on the helmet , looking for a confrontation that really annoys me.
    Posting 300 or 400 confrontations onto their youtube channel ......... and blaming everybody else.

    Maybe try cycling down the dual-carraigeway at walking speed 9am in the morning - just because you can........ then report back all those ignorant and impatient drivers that shook fists and beeped horns.

    For me - finished cycling a bike after 8 years daily into the city centre and back, no car either with all the traffic jams

    That's your opinion, fortunately it's not correct.

    Would purchasing a camera position me into the group of "self righteous knobs looking for a confrontation"?

    I was clipped by a car once, but I was unable to take her reg as it happened so fast. This is the exact reason why I would purchase some sort of recording device.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Cycling out on the road to the point you impede other traffic is being a dick. (If you're out in the country on a club cycle though its fine).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Cycling out on the road to the point you impede other traffic is being a dick. (If you're out in the country on a club cycle though its fine).

    cycling in to the left enough to the point where you don't puts you in the gutter. Remember a car is supposed to leave 1.5m when overtaking (unfortunately not law yet). You can't leave that gap and remain in lane regardless of where the cyclist is on the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    I cycle out from the kerb and find it's much safer as I have less cars cycling close to me.

    Cycle behind her. Stay close enough so that your are not too far behind her. Cycle out from the kerb at the distance you feel safe at. The cars that move out for you will not be able to pull in on her.

    Remember that all the time:
    - cyclists, car drivers, bus drivers etc can drive dangerously
    - cyclists, car drivers, bus drivers etc can be assholes
    - cyclists, car drivers, bus drivers etc can and do break the law

    The main thing is to go from A to B and:
    - not get hurt/killed
    - not hurt or kill someone

    Don't matter what the law says. No one, regardless of how they are travelling, should think it's ok to hurt or kill someone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    cycling in to the left enough to the point where you don't puts you in the gutter. Remember a car is supposed to leave 1.5m when overtaking (unfortunately not law yet). You can't leave that gap and remain in lane regardless of where the cyclist is on the road.

    Yeah but 1.5m is bloody long and impossible to maintain in an urban environment. Just in case you think I'm an angry motorist I'm not, I'm primarily a cyclist :P It's perfectly easy to maintain both a safe distance from the kerb and other traffic whilst not being in the way of faster moving vehicles as I imagine you're already aware of. If that 1.5m was actually enforced city traffic would grind to a halt instantly.

    As a cyclist I'd be well annoyed to be held up after a day in work by two people cycling abreast on a city lane toodling along. (having said that, I'm slightly less bothered as in this case it was a buslane whiiiiich is kinda like a bonus lane anyway)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭enas


    It is the self righteous knobs going around with go-pro 3 on the helmet , looking for a confrontation that really annoys me.
    Posting 300 or 400 confrontations onto their youtube channel ......... and blaming everybody else.

    Can you give me some links to such channels please? I anticipate a long boring day at work, this might bring some excitement (or will it).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭hueylewis


    I can't understand this at all, sorry.
    .

    It was directed at those telling people to cycle in single file. If they're in a situation where they can't safely overtake cyclists riding two abreast then they can't safely overtake cyclists in single file.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Cycling out on the road to the point you impede other traffic is being a dick. (If you're out in the country on a club cycle though its fine).

    This statement is silly on several levels. If a cyclist is on the road they are automatically impeding traffic somewhat. The fastest I could travel is about 50 Km/ph which I think is pretty fast, yet some will still overtake, but that's ok.

    You are painting the image of somebody who is cycling in the middle of the road which has one lane PURPOSELY stopping traffic, this is not the case. I was on the left hand side of the left lane of a 2 lane road (not including oncoming traffic which also has two lanes).

    How is it ok do the same in a club or in a different location? What kind of statement is that?
    Slydice wrote: »
    Cycle behind her. Stay close enough so that your are not too far behind her. Cycle out from the kerb at the distance you feel safe at. The cars that move out for you will not be able to pull in on her.

    Remember that all the time:
    - cyclists, car drivers, bus drivers etc can drive dangerously
    - cyclists, car drivers, bus drivers etc can be assholes
    - cyclists, car drivers, bus drivers etc can and do break the law

    The main thing is to go from A to B and:
    - not get hurt/killed
    - not hurt or kill someone

    Don't matter what the law says. No one, regardless of how they are travelling, should think it's ok to hurt or kill someone.

    that's exactly what I did subconsciously. She was not too happy about that either, she really wanted me to hug the kerb. Thanks for that. I think this is what I will also do in future.
    hueylewis wrote: »
    It was directed at those telling people to cycle in single file. If they're in a situation where they can't safely overtake cyclists riding two abreast then they can't safely overtake cyclists in single file.

    Ah ok, cool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    enas wrote: »
    Can you give me some links to such channels please? I anticipate a long boring day at work, this might bring some excitement (or will it).

    Sonofthewinds! Several hundred videos, most of which involving people he's chased down to lecture on their driving. Most camera cyclists I don't have a big problem with, but I think this guy's a crank.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/SonofthewindsInc

    Rides around, seriously, waving red cards at people. With this on his bike



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭enas


    Sonofthewinds! Several hundred videos, most of which involving people he's chased down to lecture on their driving. Most camera cyclists I don't have a big problem with, but I think this guy's a crank.

    That poster was complaining about those cyclists wearing cameras and looking for confrontations. Presumably, he lives in London and is unlucky enough to encounter this funny/weird cyclist everyday? Otherwise I'm not sure what his point was. Surely he didn't mean to generalise to all cyclists from the few ones based in UK that appear on Youtube.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Zyzz


    enas wrote: »
    Can you give me some links to such channels please? I anticipate a long boring day at work, this might bring some excitement (or will it).

    Look up 'cycledub' on YouTube..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Dermot Illogical


    OP: Your girlfriend is wrong, the old boy in the car is wrong, and more than a couple of people who responded on this thread are wrong.

    You, on the other hand, are right. Don't let them get you down.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Cycling out on the road to the point you impede other traffic is being a dick. (If you're out in the country on a club cycle though its fine).

    You're not impeding anything. if you're on a bike, you ARE traffic. And if I'm behind you and wish to move ahead of you, I have to do so appropriately and safely and with due consideration for you surely?:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Wild_Dogger




    Have a butchers at this guy , he swerves out toward the middle of the lane when traffic approaches - hoping to create another video opportunity

    He could end up in a wheel chair , and it will be a tiny consolation to be able to claim that he was 'in the right' when the accident occurred.

    Have a look at the other videos on his collection of over 400 confrontations. He cycles out on the road even when a cycle lane is available , obstructing traffic with a prepared 'business card' in his pocket ready to hand it out to his victims.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Zyzz wrote: »
    Look up 'cycledub' on YouTube..

    This guys is a fool, while I agree with some of his points, it's mostly confrontational rubbish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Wild_Dogger


    Having traveled into town and back 5 or 6 days a week for the last 15 years, I can tell you that there are plenty of these characters !

    Getting a camera for your own safety is fine , but not for the purpose of capturing candid aggressive encounters.

    When I cycled I would move out of the way of traffic from the rear and they would often salute you in appreciation.
    If I couldn't move aside and was stuck in a position where I slowed traffic, I would counter it by speeding up to reduce the delay caused to other vehicles.

    Not only common sense, but courtesy (that is not legally required).

    The worst common trait amongst cyclists is when they think they are entitled to turn into your lane without checking because they have put their arm out to indicate this motion.

    It would be akin to a car putting on it's indicator and driving into you, whilst claiming that they had the indicator on so they must be in the right !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Plastik


    It would be akin to a car putting on it's indicator and driving into you, whilst claiming that they had the indicator on so they must be in the right !

    That's generally what happens alright.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭jinkypolly



    Have a butchers at this guy , he swerves out toward the middle of the lane when traffic approaches - hoping to create another video opportunity

    Could you point out where he 'swerves out', because after watching the video I don't see it, I do see the camera turning round but nothing to indicate the bike moving out to the middle of the lane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭enas


    he swerves out toward the middle of the lane when traffic approaches - hoping to create another video opportunity

    That's called taking primary position. Cyclists are advised to do that precisely when there is a risk of an approaching vehicle attempting a dodgy overtake.
    He cycles out on the road even when a cycle lane is available , obstructing traffic

    Er -- have you seen managed to miss all the discussions of the last, let's say, 5 to to 10 years ? Did you miss the episode where mandatory use of cycle lanes has been abolished, since, by Varadkar's own admission, cycling facilities constructed to date were "often of a poor standard" and "poorly maintained".

    And of course, as the popular saying goes, cyclists don't block traffic, they are part of traffic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭mp31


    @OP.. off topic slightly but your sig says it all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭newport2


    Having traveled into town and back 5 or 6 days a week for the last 15 years, I can tell you that there are plenty of these characters !

    Getting a camera for your own safety is fine , but not for the purpose of capturing candid aggressive encounters.

    When I cycled I would move out of the way of traffic from the rear and they would often salute you in appreciation.
    If I couldn't move aside and was stuck in a position where I slowed traffic, I would counter it by speeding up to reduce the delay caused to other vehicles.

    Not only common sense, but courtesy (that is not legally required).

    The worst common trait amongst cyclists is when they think they are entitled to turn into your lane without checking because they have put their arm out to indicate this motion.

    It would be akin to a car putting on it's indicator and driving into you, whilst claiming that they had the indicator on so they must be in the right !

    This. Primarily a cyclist myself, but it never ceases to amaze me how many fellow cyclists just stick out their arm and immediately turn, without even glancing behind. I think it has got a lot worse recently, perhaps due to inexperienced cyclists out for the nice summer we had. Putting your life in the hands of motorists like this is madness. I saw a guy do this on the n11 yesterday evening, wanted to turn right at Stillorgan, proceeded to stick out his arm and swing across three lanes of traffic without looking. There was cars braking within a couple of feet of him to avoid hitting him. The cyclist who was behind him swerved to a stop because she foresaw the risk he took and thought a large accident might be about to happen. Irregardless of who's right or wrong, he was in the most vulnerable position of anyone there and had the most to lose. Seemed oblivious though. One motorist going too fast or not 100% alert (a regular occurrance) and he was a goner.

    To the OP, no harm in leaving a lot of the bus lanes rules in play 24-7, in the hours they are open to motorists they are not needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    This statement is silly on several levels. If a cyclist is on the road they are automatically impeding traffic somewhat. The fastest I could travel is about 50 Km/ph which I think is pretty fast, yet some will still overtake, but that's ok.

    You are painting the image of somebody who is cycling in the middle of the road which has one lane PURPOSELY stopping traffic, this is not the case. I was on the left hand side of the left lane of a 2 lane road (not including oncoming traffic which also has two lanes).

    How is it ok do the same in a club or in a different location? What kind of statement is that?

    TO me it really depends on how busy it was. If both lanes were filled with cars then sure, I reckon you were being inconsiderate and I'd side with your GF. If it was quiet then sure, go for it.
    fat bloke wrote: »
    You're not impeding anything. if you're on a bike, you ARE traffic. And if I'm behind you and wish to move ahead of you, I have to do so appropriately and safely and with due consideration for you surely?:confused:

    Of course you can impede traffic as a cyclist, sometimes it's necessary on certain roads to be in the way for a period of time but by and large it's easy to coexist with other traffic safely and not be in the way. Are you suggesting because 'you are traffic' you'd happily cycle in Dublin city in the middle of a given lane continuously for the entire commute and force all cars on the journey behind you to stay there as overtaking is near impossible in such an urban environment? Would that be fair to other road users because 'you are traffic'?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭stoneill


    Buses and taxi's are only driving close to her to look at her arsé.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    TO me it really depends on how busy it was. If both lanes were filled with cars then sure, I reckon you were being inconsiderate and I'd side with your GF. If it was quiet then sure, go for it.

    You cannot possibly be serious. I yet have to see a bus lane wide enough for a car to pass a cyclist safely without leaving the lane.

    It's a bus and cycle lane after all and if you are going to use it then please be considerate and learn to be a bit patient, not everyone is Cancelara. Nobody has to jump out of your way just because you are in a car, especially in a bus lane.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Of course you can impede traffic as a motorist, sometimes it's necessary on certain roads to be in the way for a period of time but by and large it's easy to coexist with other traffic safely and not be in the way. Are you suggesting because 'you are traffic' you'd happily drive in Dublin city in the middle of a given lane continuously for the entire commute and force all cars on the journey behind you to stay there as overtaking is near impossible in such an urban environment? Would that be fair to other road users because 'you are traffic'?
    Substituting "motorist" for "cyclist" for a moment, just to see if it makes sense. Not really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    No Pants wrote: »
    Substituting "motorist" for "cyclist" for a moment, just to see if it makes sense. Not really.

    It certainly reminds me of how I often drive, especially on country roads or single carriageways with hard shoulders.

    If someone's driving behind me in a manner that suggests they want to overtake me, but I'm not comfortable it'll be safe, I'll drive defensively and not let them pass.

    When it becomes safe, I'll position myself leftwise and let them pass.

    It's safe driving practice IMHO.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Have a butchers at this guy , he swerves out toward the middle of the lane when traffic approaches - hoping to create another video opportunity

    He does not swerve -- the helmet cam is mounted on his helmet and the movement you see seems to be mostly him turning his head back very quickly to look at the car passing so closely.

    Your confusion and the miss-reading of what happened is common and it's a prime reason not to post such videos on YouTube.

    Without a good understanding of the camera lenses and having it mounted on a helmet, what that does to perception, and things like the roads pictured / involved general

    Some video uploaders have tried to counter this by having extra cameras mounted, mainly including one rear facing camera under the saddle -- but these also have perspective problems for those unaware.
    Have a look at the other videos on his collection of over 400 confrontations. He cycles out on the road even when a cycle lane is available , traffic with a prepared 'business card' in his pocket ready to hand it out to his victims.

    I've watched quite a few of them over time (but still hopefully nowhere near 400 of them).

    Last time I looked a lot of them were not "confrontations" he's involved in but stuff like motorists and cyclists red light jumping, and other cyclists and motorists doing silly things etc.


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