Motor tax €95 pa

moonship · 03-09-2013 11:56am #1

I just noticed very interesting thing, a big mpv 2004 c.c. 3.0 in my neighborhood in Dublin is taxed €95 p.a!

Am i missing something like some hole in the system? How would you pay €95 pa? Owner is not disabled or anything

Outkast_IRE · 03-09-2013 11:57am

moonship wrote: »

I just noticed very interesting thing, a big mpv 2004 c.c. 3.0 in my neighborhood in Dublin is taxed €95 p.a!

Am i missing something like some hole in the system? How would you pay €95 pa? Owner is not disabled or anything

Not a taxi or hackney ?

MarkR · 03-09-2013 11:58am

Is it taxed as a limo?

moonship · 03-09-2013 12:02pm

I never seen it as a taxi. I just found out that Aran Island have special rate of motor tax which is €95! Would it be that easy to get an address on islands and register a car for 95 pa?

Duiske · 03-09-2013 12:03pm

Car possibly registered to owner from the Aran Islands ? Don't they have reduced motor tax rate ?

166man · 03-09-2013 12:03pm

moonship wrote: »

I never seen it as a taxi. I just found out that Aran Island have special rate of motor tax which is €95! Would it be that easy to get an address on islands and register a car for 95 pa?

Jesus the things people do to reduce motor tax... And I thought buying new cars to save on tax was bad....:D

dharma200 · 03-09-2013 12:03pm

D you go around nosying at people's tax discs.. That's weird, specially if you're not a traffic warden... 95quid a year wow, might move there myself

Anan1 · 03-09-2013 12:05pm

moonship wrote: »

I never seen it as a taxi. I just found out that Aran Island have special rate of motor tax which is €95! Would it be that easy to get an address on islands and register a car for 95 pa?

That rate is for "vehicles which are kept and used exclusively on an offshore island to which there is no direct road or bridge access from the mainland".

dgt · 03-09-2013 12:06pm

More than likely a PSV

moonship · 03-09-2013 12:07pm

dharma200 wrote: »

D you go around nosying at people's tax discs.. That's weird, specially if you're not a traffic warden... 95quid a year wow, might move there myself

i have noticed that purely by accident! thats why i am wondering how easy is to have an address on Arran Island without living there:-)

aujopimur · 03-09-2013 12:08pm

Has anyone seen a car on the islands taxed ?, or the state of NCT exempt cars, it's like the mainland in the 50's/60's.

dgt · 03-09-2013 12:08pm

moonship wrote: »

i have noticed that purely by accident! thats why i am wondering how easy is to have an address on Arran Island without living there:-)

Island vehicles are 102 a year

Source

wexie · 03-09-2013 12:08pm

moonship wrote: »

i have noticed that purely by accident! thats why i am wondering how easy is to have an address on Arran Island without living there:-)

Could be an interesting business proposition for one of the locals.

250euro a year PO boxes

Anan1 · 03-09-2013 12:13pm

wexie wrote: »

Could be an interesting business proposition for one of the locals.

250euro a year PO boxes

Read first, then type.

limklad · 03-09-2013 1:45pm

moonship wrote: »

I just noticed very interesting thing, a big mpv 2004 c.c. 3.0 in my neighborhood in Dublin is taxed €95 p.a!

Am i missing something like some hole in the system? How would you pay €95 pa? Owner is not disabled or anything

Yes you are missing something.
I do not pay Road Tax and I use the roads because there is no such thing as Road Tax in this country. As a person who can walk or cycle who uses the roads, it does not require me to pay the non existence Road tax. So if you are paying €95 for Road tax then you are paying way too much for it as you are already paying for the maintenance of the roads through VAT/Income Tax, custom tax, etc. You are probably been scammed.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/motor_tax_and_insurance/motor_tax_rates.html

There is Motor Tax only, It is a legal requirement in Ireland to have motor tax if you want to drive your vehicle in a public place, not just roads. It is a Tax on having a mechanical propelled vehicle and the revenue from Motor Tax does not go towards roads maintenance directly, it goes to the general Tax box, that pays from Gardai to health and education and the general running of the country.
I do however pay Motor tax as I have a vehicle that I use to drive in public places.

Days 298 · 03-09-2013 1:50pm

limklad wrote: »

Yes you are missing something.
I do not pay Road Tax and I use the roads because there is no such thing as Road Tax in this country. As a person who can walk or cycle who uses the roads, it does not require me to pay the non existence Road tax. So if you are paying €95 for Road tax then you are paying way too much for it as you are already paying for the maintenance of the roads through VAT/Income Tax, custom tax, etc. You are probably been scammed.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/motor_tax_and_insurance/motor_tax_rates.html

There is Motor Tax only, It is a legal requirement in Ireland to have motor tax if you want to drive your vehicle in a public place, not just roads. It is a Tax on having a mechanical propelled vehicle and the revenue from Motor Tax does not go towards roads maintenance directly, it goes to the general Tax box, that pays from Gardai to health and education and the general running of the country.
I do however pay Motor tax as I have a vehicle that I use to drive in public places.

Christ sake some people call motor tax road tax. Get over yourself.

power pants · 03-09-2013 1:53pm

another of the many self righteous, high horsing, pedantic posters on here...

Guy:Incognito · 03-09-2013 2:04pm

Days 298 wrote: »

Christ sake some people call motor tax road tax. Get over yourself.

Some people are wrong so :-)

Days 298 · 03-09-2013 2:12pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Some people are wrong so :-)

They are but its a colloquial way of saying motor tax. Everyone knows what road tax means. No need for anyone to get into the pedantics and no need to be a smart ass about it.

Anan1 · 03-09-2013 2:16pm

Days 298 wrote: »

They are but its a colloquial way of saying motor tax. Everyone knows what road tax means. No need for anyone to get into the pedantics and no need to be a smart ass about it.

The thing is, calling it road tax incorrectly implies that the money is ring-fenced for roads. A bit like calling the overtaking lane the fast lane encourages an incorrect understanding of what it is. Language matters.

power pants · 03-09-2013 2:20pm

Agree to certain point. Writing a paragraph though about it was a little over the top, I thought.

a simple -btw road tax is actually called motor tax would suffice

Anan1 · 03-09-2013 2:24pm

power pants wrote: »

Agree to certain point. Writing a paragraph though about it was a little over the top, I thought.

a simple -btw road tax is actually called motor tax would suffice

Maybe he cut and pasted it from the last motor tax/road tax thread.

power pants · 03-09-2013 2:25pm

maybe indeed

corkboy10 · 03-09-2013 2:31pm

Anan1 wrote: »

The thing is, calling it road tax incorrectly implies that the money is ring-fenced for roads. A bit like calling the overtaking lane the fast lane encourages an incorrect understanding of what it is. Language matters.

Could be written as road tax in another language???this is ireland in 2013 after all with various different languages

wexie · 03-09-2013 2:32pm

Anan1 wrote: »

Read first, then type.

Why? What did I miss?

You're not really naive enough to believe there aren't many people out there that would happily employ any loophole they can find to get out of paying motortax are you?

Anan1 · 03-09-2013 2:33pm

corkboy10 wrote: »

Could be written as road tax in another language???this is ireland in 2013 after all with various different languages

See this is why limklad's little rant was necessary. It's not road tax in any language. It's motor tax.

Anan1 · 03-09-2013 2:34pm

wexie wrote: »

Why? What did I miss?

You're not really naive enough to believe there aren't many people out there that would happily employ any loophole they can find to get out of paying motortax are you?

My post #8. That tax rate is for cars used exclusively on the islands.

wexie · 03-09-2013 2:36pm

Anan1 wrote: »

My post #8. That tax rate is for cars used exclusively on the islands.

You mean like commercial vehicles aren't supposed to be used for domestic and pleisure purposes right?

:rolleyes:

Kenny Logins · 03-09-2013 2:39pm

wexie wrote: »

You mean like commercial vehicles aren't supposed to be used for domestic and pleisure purposes right?

:rolleyes:

Yeah, exactly like that but surrounded by water.

ItsLikeThis · 03-09-2013 2:45pm

limklad wrote: »

Yes you are missing something.
I do not pay Road Tax and I use the roads because there is no such thing as Road Tax in this country. As a person who can walk or cycle who uses the roads, it does not require me to pay the non existence Road tax. So if you are paying €95 for Road tax then you are paying way too much for it as you are already paying for the maintenance of the roads through VAT/Income Tax, custom tax, etc. You are probably been scammed.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/motor_tax_and_insurance/motor_tax_rates.html

There is Motor Tax only, It is a legal requirement in Ireland to have motor tax if you want to drive your vehicle in a public place, not just roads. It is a Tax on having a mechanical propelled vehicle and the revenue from Motor Tax does not go towards roads maintenance directly, it goes to the general Tax box, that pays from Gardai to health and education and the general running of the country.
I do however pay Motor tax as I have a vehicle that I use to drive in public places.

Ah good, was wondering when someone would address the road/motor tax confusion

biko · 03-09-2013 2:46pm

Title "Road tax" changed to "Motor tax" to save us all some grief.
Let us just drop that part of the discussion.

djimi · 03-09-2013 2:55pm

biko wrote: »

Title "Road tax" changed to "Motor tax" to save us all some grief.
Let us just drop that part of the discussion.

And here was me wondering what the rant was about :pac:

Red Kev · 03-09-2013 3:01pm

aujopimur wrote: »

Has anyone seen a car on the islands taxed ?, or the state of NCT exempt cars, it's like the mainland in the 50's/60's 80's/90's.

Ahem!

State of some of the yokes out here in the sticks today still leaves a lot to be desired, never mind up till 2000.

Guy:Incognito · 03-09-2013 3:01pm

wexie wrote: »

You mean like commercial vehicles aren't supposed to be used for domestic and pleisure purposes right?

:rolleyes:

Its a bit easier to talk your way around using a van to go to the shops than to try convince a gard your actually on an island off the coast when he stops you in kilkenny.

ba_barabus · 03-09-2013 3:01pm

Can "Road Tax" be added to the swear filter to automatically correct it to "Motor Tax"

moonship · 03-09-2013 4:18pm

Whatever you call MOTOR TAX its the same tax - tax which is applicable to motor vehicles. Across different countries have different names (Motor, Road, Performance Tax etc) and sometimes is included in fuel price.

So no point to argue that or give evidence from CitizenInfirmation that i called it Road Tax...

My question is still there anyway, how can you tax 3ltr car for €95 p.a?

Its not commercial as has all seats and has no taxi or hackney signages neither any psv licences ot similar displayed.

ba_barabus · 03-09-2013 4:29pm

moonship wrote: »

My question is still there anyway, how can you tax 3ltr car for €95 p.a?

You can't unless you fall under some kind of exemption

visual · 03-09-2013 4:54pm

Please please please will someone ask the owner as I really want 95 euro tax too

Atlantic Dawn · 03-09-2013 5:07pm

Possibly 3 month rate for a commercial vehicle falsely declared as commercial.

mgbgt1978 · 03-09-2013 5:10pm

If you take a look at the Motor Tax rates for 2013 the only vehicles that are paying €95 per annum are Taxi's, Hackney's, Limo's and school buses.
It is obviously registered as one of the above as they are the only ones that are liable for €95 per annum.
It's just not possible for any other vehicle to pay that particular amount.....assuming the OP read the disc correctly, eg. some recovery vehicles/mobile workshop's/commercial's pay €94 per quarter.

mathepac · 03-09-2013 5:13pm

ItsLikeThis wrote: »

Ah good, was wondering when someone would address the road/motor tax confusion

Confusion? What confusion? :eek: Who is confused?

I pay motor tax is road tax new?

Kenny Logins · 03-09-2013 5:14pm

Could have bought a hackney with a fresh disc.

mgbgt1978 · 03-09-2013 5:24pm

OP, have another look at the disc.
It will have the 'class' of vehicle typed on it.

davycc · 03-09-2013 5:50pm

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

OP, have another look at the disc.
It will have the 'class' of vehicle typed on it.

+1:cool:

BohsCeltic · 03-09-2013 6:31pm

limklad wrote: »

There is Motor Tax only, It is a legal requirement in Ireland to have motor tax if you want to drive your vehicle in a public place, not just roads. It is a Tax on having a mechanical propelled vehicle and the revenue from Motor Tax does not go towards roads maintenance directly, it goes to the general Tax box, that pays from Gardai to health and education and the general running of the country.
I do however pay Motor tax as I have a vehicle that I use to drive in public places.

So why do they have this on their site

http://www.dublincity.ie/RoadsandTraffic/MotorTax/Pages/MotorTaxHome.aspx

Motor Tax is collected by Dublin City Council on behalf of the Department of the Environment & Local Government. This revenue is used for building and repairing roads in Dublin City.

Ninap · 03-09-2013 10:43pm

Blessed are the cheese makers?

Guy:Incognito · 03-09-2013 11:00pm

BohsCeltic wrote: »

So why do they have this on their site

http://www.dublincity.ie/RoadsandTraffic/MotorTax/Pages/MotorTaxHome.aspx

Motor Tax is collected by Dublin City Council on behalf of the Department of the Environment & Local Government. This revenue is used for building and repairing roads in Dublin City.

Selective quoting on their part id say. It does pay for roads, but no more or less than it pays for anything else the council spends money on. It goes in the same pot as the councils other income and is spent on anything they spend money on.

CiniO · 03-09-2013 11:01pm

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

If you take a look at the Motor Tax rates for 2013 the only vehicles that are paying €95 per annum are Taxi's, Hackney's, Limo's and school buses.
It is obviously registered as one of the above as they are the only ones that are liable for €95 per annum.
It's just not possible for any other vehicle to pay that particular amount.....assuming the OP read the disc correctly, eg. some recovery vehicles/mobile workshop's/commercial's pay €94 per quarter.

Yes, but this could as well be tax from last year when rates were lower.
There was 8 categories with 95 euro tax from last year:
Source: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/act/pub/0010/print.html

2. (a) Vehicles (commonly known as dumpers) not exceeding 3 metres cubed in capacity, level loaded, designed and constructed for use on sites of construction works (including road construction and house and other building works) for the purpose of conveying concrete, rubble, earth or other like material where the person taking out the licence shows to the satisfaction of the licensing authority that the vehicle is used mainly on such sites, and on public roads only—

(i) for the purpose of proceeding to and from the site where it is to be used, and when so proceeding neither carries nor hauls any load other than such as is necessary for its propulsion or equipment, or

(ii) for the purpose of conveying concrete, rubble, earth or like material for a distance of not more than one kilometre to and from any such site,

(d) vehicles (commonly known as forklift trucks) designed and constructed for the purpose of loading and unloading goods where the person taking out the licence shows to the satisfaction of the licensing authority that the vehicle is used on public roads only—

(i) for the purpose of proceeding to and from the site where it is to be used for loading and unloading, and when so proceeding neither carries nor hauls any load other than such as is necessary for its propulsion or equipment, or

(ii) as part of the process of loading or unloading, for the purpose of conveying goods for a distance of not more than one kilometre to and from the site where it is loading or unloading.

(a) vehicles designed, constructed and used for the purpose of trench digging or any kind of excavating or shovelling work which—

(i) are used on public roads only for that purpose or the purpose of proceeding to and from the place where they are to be used for that purpose, and

(ii) when so proceeding neither carry nor haul any load other than such as is necessary for their propulsion or equipment,

(e) vehicles designed, constructed or adapted as motor caravans (within the meaning of section 130 of the Finance Act 1992 ),

(f) vehicles which are kept and used exclusively on an offshore island to which there is no direct road or bridge access from the mainland.

(a) any vehicle which is used as a hearse and for no other purpose,

So it looks like there is plenty of options.

CiniO · 03-09-2013 11:03pm

Anan1 wrote: »

That rate is for "vehicles which are kept and used exclusively on an offshore island to which there is no direct road or bridge access from the mainland".

BTW - did you ever see any vehicle on an offshore island which would be taxed or insured?
Not mentioning NCT as island vehicles are exempt.

But generally on islands people don't bother with registering, vrting, taxing, insuraing or doing anything with vehicles, as well as they don't bother with driving licences or legal alcohol limits.
They just hop on and drive - that's all.

davycc · 03-09-2013 11:46pm

well id say at a guess it could have been a current or ex funeral home vehicle.

they have a lot of different vehicles & not all are the usual long hearses for funeral work.

a big estate car or mpv size have loads of room inside for collecting a body from the hospital or morgue discretely.

darragh o meara · 03-09-2013 11:48pm

The car is mist likely registered as a taxi, I'm not sure what happens if a non taxi person bought one with a fresh disc though. Does the vehicle get reclassed as private again when it's sold on to a private buyer after being a taxi or could the buyer keep driving it and taxing as a taxi?

Motor tax €95 pa

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