EU pushing for speed limiters on all cars

pippip

http://news.sky.com/story/1135815/eu-may-order-speed-limiters-fitted-to-uk-cars

"British drivers could be forced to have their cars fitted with technology that keeps them within the speed limit under new EU rules.

The planned road safety regulations would require new vehicles to have systems capable of detecting limits through cameras or satellites and automatically applying the brakes.

Existing cars would have to be fitted with the devices, which would mean that no car in the UK could go over the 70mph speed limit for motorways.

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin
Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin will oppose the plans
But Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin will fight the move after he was asked for his views ahead of formal proposals by the European Commission (EC) this autumn.

A Government source said: "It is definitely something that he is keen to resist and he has told officials that it is something we don't want to do.

"To be forced to have automatic controls in your car amounts to Big Brother nannying by EU bureaucrats."

The EC's Mobility and Transport Department wants to roll out the Intelligent Speed Authority (ISA) technology in an attempt to cut the death toll from road collisions by a third by 2020."


Interesting to see if it ever comes about.

Max Power1

what about trackdays?
This is nonsense, it should never ever happen.

Outkast_IRE

How many accidents actually happen on the motorway from speeding ?
Would of thought accidents on smaller roads were the scene of most accidents.

toastedpickles

If it does, screw that man, I'm leaving for Canada, buying a v8 monster and giving a polite two fingered salute to the EU and their nanny ways

Witcher

EU with their rules, let countries handle their own sh1t ffs.

Scortho

Just like engine remaps, these will be bypassed.

Can they please F off with the nanny state.

Synyster Shadow

What poo! Well I can see this one been fought by any normal human. Suppose we'd have to pay to have such crap installed too

Mycroft H

I can actually see this happen sadly.

pred racer

Scortho wrote: »

Just like engine remaps, these will be bypassed.

Can they please F off with the nanny state.

Yep, jailbreak my car and my Ipad on the same day;)

thecomedian

Strangely I feel this would be more dangerous if it came in. Say all cars limited to 70 mph, overtaking would be very dangerous.

I can't see the German car makers being too happy with this.

Noccy_Mondy

Our buses are fitted with limiters. WORST INVENTION EVER!

djimi

I could quite confidently say that I would be more likely to be involved in a serious accident if my car cut out/capped my speed mid overtake, than if the car "allowed" me to go 5mph over the speed limit to complete the move.

Utter nonsense; wont happen in this lifetime.

Days 298

Seeing how slow the EU moves it could take decades to come in nevermind German opposition. Scary how Orwellian the EU is. We have little say in anything they pass.

uncle_sam_ie

How are they going to fund the nanny state with all that lost revenue from speeding tickets.

corktina

it makes sense to make sure cars can't exceed the speed limit by more than a trivial amount. It does not make sense for cars to be able to do double the limit


(my two cars have top speeds of 137 and 151 mph)

TestTransmission

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

How are they going to fund the nanny state with all that lost revenue from speeding tickets.

This and well the fact 120kph would still get ya plenty of speeding tickets in 50,60,80,100 zones,etc

Synyster Shadow wrote: »

Suppose we'd have to pay to have such crap installed too

dgt

I hope this never happens and if it does I'll find a way around it

Days 298

TestTransmission wrote: »

This and well the fact 120kph would still get ya plenty of speeding tickets in 50,60,80,100 zones,etc

"ISA technology can use satellites which beam limits automatically to cars from a database or cameras which are able to read road signs."
So the car will be limited everywhere.

dr.fuzzenstein

Well, fcuk that sh*t

TestTransmission

Days 298 wrote: »

"ISA technology can use satellites which beam limits automatically to cars from a database or cameras which are able to read road signs."
So the car will be limited everywhere.

Skimmed over that part, I just assumed a 70mph limit.**** that ****. :pac:

Andrew_Doran

Christ on a bike. Governments in the western world have really gotten out of hand. Too bloated, too much free time to meddle in our lives, and no appetite for solving the tough problems that we face.

Existing cars would have to be fitted with the devices, which would mean that no car in the UK could go over the 70mph speed limit for motorways.

Whatever about new cars the above will never happen, way too many difficulties to overcome.

Third_Echelon

Max Power1 wrote: »

what about trackdays?
This is nonsense, it should never ever happen.

I remember a recent enough episode of top gear where they were in Japan and a Nissan Skyline I think it was had this satellite limiting technology installed. When it got to a track it was then allowed to change into track mode setting...

dr.fuzzenstein

And once they have that technology in place, they can charge per km driven.

toastedpickles

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

And once they have that technology in place, they can charge per km driven.

I'm screwed so! :pac:

dr.fuzzenstein

toastedpickles wrote: »

I'm screwed so! :pac:

130 km a day, me too.

worded

So we now live in mad max times compared to what's on the way.

toastedpickles

worded wrote: »

So we now live in mad max times compared to what's on the way.

We'l be telling our grandchildren, back in my day, we went over 120kph! Nowadays we can't even go 20!

Stereomaniac

Wow. So driving from Galway to Waterford in a little over 3 hours will be a thing of the past then!

RandomAccess

People driving everywhere with the foot to the floor on a limiter is infinitely more dangerous than what we have now.
There will be even more people eating cereal and doing makeup behind the wheel.

Electric cars will effectively bring automatic gearboxes to all, and probably speed limiters too I think.
Welcome to careless driving hell!

kirving

Third_Echelon wrote: »

I remember a recent enough episode of top gear where they were in Japan and a Nissan Skyline I think it was had this satellite limiting technology installed. When it got to a track it was then allowed to change into track mode setting...

It was just based off GPS coordinates, so it's nothing particularly special and doesn't require any more infrastructure.

I can see it becoming more mainstream in a few years, even without government intervention. Constant internet connection in cars such as what is available in the Tesla will become more popular, allowing trackers to be included easily. Next up is limiting speed based on speed of surrounding cars which are also being tracked, and cars talking to one another to prevent collisions, etc, etc.

Don't Ford offer a feature which can limit speed, radio volume and a few more things based on which key you're using? So the kids can't rally their mothers car around the place.

BMW, and other manufacturers also have front view cameras which read roadside speed limit signs and warn the driver. Enforcing this limit is then a piece of cake.

Eight Ball

Don't see the problem myself. If it saves one life its a good idea.

RandomAccess

Eight Ball wrote: »

Don't see the problem myself. If it saves one life its a good idea.

Its just going to lead to careless driving. The more people rely on safety nets to keep them safe the more careless they are. I read something similar about bicycle helmets.

mb1725

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

How are they going to fund the nanny state with all that lost revenue from speeding tickets.

What about the GoSafe contract when it comes up for renewal? :rolleyes:

kirving

Eight Ball wrote: »

Don't see the problem myself. If it saves one life its a good idea.

Sure if we all walked everywhere, then there'd be no road deaths. It's not very nice to say, but there's a line between economic impact and safety, which extends to include speed limits. If all cars were limited to 80kph in an effort to improve safety, the economic impact would be huge.

RandomAccess wrote: »

Its just going to lead to careless driving. The more people rely on safety nets to keep them safe the more careless they are. I read something similar about bicycle helmets.

That's correct, to some extent at least, and is the reason why the auto-braking systems on newer cars cut in at the absolute last possible moment to prevent the driver relying on them.

CiniO

Eight Ball wrote: »

Don't see the problem myself. If it saves one life its a good idea.

It might save one life, but it will waste life of millions of other human beings who love to drive.

Clearlier

This is the very definition of why you should look at where your 'news' is coming from. This is an anti-Europe tory (I'm just guessing but I'd be astonished if he isn't) trying to look good and make the case against Europe. A win-win from his point of view.

There will sooner be widespread adoption of driverless cars than this rule be implemented.

Dartz

What's going to happen when you come upon some twit doing 80 in a 100, in a limited car?

Seeing a gap, you put your foot down to ovetake - pulling level with the car right up until it hits its speed-limiter....

Then you see that the truck is getting awfully close, and there's no way to pull the car back in because the lane's occupied by that accelerating twit who'se decided he doesn't want to be passed.

Limiters will kill people.

corktina

CiniO wrote: »

It might save one life, but it will waste life of millions of other human beings who love to drive.

track days

corktina

Dartz wrote: »

What's going to happen when you come upon some twit doing 80 in a 100, in a limited car?

Seeing a gap, you put your foot down to ovetake - pulling level with the car right up until it hits its speed-limiter....

Then you see that the truck is getting awfully close, and there's no way to pull the car back in because the lane's occupied by that accelerating twit who'se decided he doesn't want to be passed.

Limiters will kill people.

no, morons will kill people same as now.

Duckjob

If that ever comes in, the gov can kiss goodbye to my motor tax, tax on the insurance, tax on all the fuel I use, tax and VAT on all my car servicing etc. I'll just ditch the car and get taxis in place of the car journeys I do now. I could get a lot of taxi rides in the year and with the amount I spend to drive a car now.

Scortho

Duckjob wrote: »

If that ever comes in, the gov can kiss goodbye to my motor tax, tax on the insurance, tax on all the fuel I use, tax and VAT on all my car servicing etc. I'll just ditch the car and get taxis in place of the car journeys I do now. I could get a lot of taxi rides in the year and with the amount I spend to drive a car now.

Ill just get it remapped it taken the **** off.

guttenberg

I know it's unlikely to ever come into effect, but surely driving too fast for the conditions kills more than driving over the speed limit? i.e. doing the limit on country roads/taking a corner too quick is more deadly than going 130 on the motorway? There is a lot better things that could be done to improve road safety than this IMO.

Scortho

The more I think about this the more I realise its not going to happen.
Why?
Because there's no way that the Germans (who basically have all the say) are going to drive at 120 km/h on the autobahn.

beauf

" 71 per cent of motorists witness other drivers speeding every day"

speeding has become an “endemic habit among far too many Irish drivers”, according to a new AA Motor Insurance survey.
The research revealed that 71 per cent of motorists witness other drivers speeding every day, while almost one third admitted to driving too fast themselves.
The company polled more than 16,300 people on their driving and, in many cases, respondents admitted their guilt.

http://www.thejournal.ie/men-drivers-speed-more-than-women-1064719-Sep2013/

Be interesting to see what are the stats on accidents, if speed is major or a minor factor. They never really go into the detail on that. But ignoring that, and without making a judgement call on it. Spend 5 mins on any road and you'll see a lot if not the majority of people speeding.

CiniO

Scortho wrote: »

The more I think about this the more I realise its not going to happen.
Why?
Because there's no way that the Germans (who basically have all the say) are going to drive at 120 km/h on the autobahn.

And they won't because article mentioned the system where car is limited to limit which applies to actual road the car is on (through GPS I suppose).

So while Germans would be happy to fly over their autobahns with no speed limits, they would laught out of English who will be crawling at 70MPH.

Anan1

beauf wrote: »

" 71 per cent of motorists witness other drivers speeding every day"

Where to start...

CiniO

guttenberg wrote: »

I know it's unlikely to ever come into effect, but surely driving too fast for the conditions kills more than driving over the speed limit? i.e. doing the limit on country roads/taking a corner too quick is more deadly than going 130 on the motorway? There is a lot better things that could be done to improve road safety than this IMO.

Exactly.
Speed in relations to conditions relate to safety. Not obeying the speed limit.

On empty motorway with perfect visibility it can be perfectly safe to do 200km/h, while limit is only 120km/h.

In housing estate full of pedestrians, kids playing, dogs running, etc, where speed limit is 50km/h, someone had to be crazy to do 50km/h and this would possibly end up fatally.

Eight Ball

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Sure if we all walked everywhere, then there'd be no road deaths. It's not very nice to say, but there's a line between economic impact and safety, which extends to include speed limits. If all cars were limited to 80kph in an effort to improve safety, the economic impact would be huge.



That's correct, to some extent at least, and is the reason why the auto-braking systems on newer cars cut in at the absolute last possible moment to prevent the driver relying on them.

"Economic impact" is all well and good but we live in a society not an economy. I'm sorry but I think a lot of drivers just drive way way to fast and that spoils it for the majority who are decent law abiding drivers. Imo its only a matter of time before all cars are fitted with devices that track speed and hours driven etc.. (tacograph type cards) or some kind of system that is monitored by a central agency for road safety.

keithclancy

Yeh that'll work.

What happens if you want to raise or lower the speed limit ?

It doesn't stop people doing 70 miles per hour through a housing estate ffs.


Germany will tell them to stick it up their hole anyway.

galwaytt

CiniO wrote: »

Exactly.
Speed in relations to conditions relate to safety. Not obeying the speed limit.

On empty motorway with perfect visibility it can be perfectly safe to do 200km/h, while limit is only 120km/h.

In housing estate full of pedestrians, kids playing, dogs running, etc, where speed limit is 50km/h, someone had to be crazy to do 50km/h and this would possibly end up fatally.

...as ^^^^^

....this is why in the RSA annual reports on accident statistics they never refer to breaking the posted speed limit - because breaking the posted speed limit only accounts for a minority of a minority of accidents. But driving too fast they rope into the 'speed' mantra to justify the cat & mouse game that is revenue camera's etc.

Too fast can indeed be 200km/h - certainly - under certain conditions.

But too fast can also be 15km/h because of.....fog/ice/whatever. But the RSA will put both accidents under the same cause to justify the speed persecution nonsense.

Dartz

corktina wrote: »

no, morons will kill people same as now.

I've a limiter built into my car that I set in built-up areas...

But if I put my foot down hard it'll override - the car understands that I need maximum power from the car NOW! for whatever reason and so it gives it.

Ultimately, it takes control away from the driver and, anything that does so can increase the risk of accident.