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The Hardest Part of being Vegan/Veg?
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01-09-2013 10:04am#1
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Eating out.
It constantly bugs the life out of me if I go to a restaurant with friends and they have 10 meat dishes to choose from, while my choice is soggy pasta with tomato sauce.
"Eat or don't eat" is not a choice, dear restaurant owners and chefs!
I hear that, I've found the worst restaurants to be the most surprising sometimes, I've gone into really fancy ones and the only option is some pasta
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Zombienosh wrote: »I hear that, I've found the worst restaurants to be the most surprising sometimes, I've gone into really fancy ones and the only option is some pasta
Or risotto 0 -
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Ordering in a restaurant and when the waiter arrives with the food they put the non-veggie option in front of me and my vegetarian order in front of herself. Am I any less of a man!?
That hasn't happened too often, so lack of choice when eating out has been an issue, definitely. Don't get me wrong, I like cheese, but drowning cannelloni in it really doesn't appeal to me much.0 -
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Benny_Cake wrote: »Ordering in a restaurant and when the waiter arrives with the food they put the non-veggie option in front of me and my vegetarian order in front of herself. Am I any less of a man!?
So true, happens me all the time. I'd say the single hardest part about being vegetarian is the.."Oh your vegetarian, whys that then?" question, which gets repeated ad-nauseum...cue tiresome oft-repeated discussion."is it that you don't like meat or is it an ethical thing?" It's not so bad over here in the UK where vegetarianism has gone mainstream, but when I go back to Ireland its very, very annoying...0 -
Zombienosh wrote: »Hey hey,
I wanted to start a thread about areas that people might find awkward or hard about a vegan lifestyle. There are some obvious ones, like people being ignorant or having to answer the same questions over and over, Lack of resources?, Eating out?
Personally the only area that's annoying me at the moment is footwear, I can't seem to find and any decent ethical footwear.
Anyone else?
I think it's hard to be in a minority of any kind, not just with veganism but with other areas of my life too, sometimes I just think to myself why do you have to be so damn different haha. The key to survival is surrounding yourself with similar people, so other vegans or vegetarians, then you're not a weirdo anymore and it's great. And also just being informed. In Dublin I didn't find it hard at all, I would mostly only go to places I knew for sure I could get vegan food, having a veggie bf helps big time (back to survival tip number 1
). I'm in Amsterdam now and I am finding it a bit harder just because even though it has more eating out choices, when I go to the supermarket none of the ingredients are in english so I have to scrutinise everything, I'm just not familiar enough with that kind of thing yet, also with where I can get what I need. Right now I've been trying to track down some vegan cheese. Whenever I'm eating out here and I say no cheese, they're like 'are you sure?'. They really love cheese 
Something else I'm finding hard at the minute, I'm trying to buy a bag and they nearly always have some leather, all the nice ones anyway, so annoying. Hmm what else...... henna hair dye is so much effort to use.
Actually I find animal issues can be quite awkward. The other day I got an email from our faculty at the university saying we have mice in the building. Then what followed was a series of emails back and forth making light of the situation with mention about donating them down the hall for their experiments etc. While this is obviously in jest, I would have to assume those mice are going to get killed in traps anyway. I kind of don't know what to do in a situation like that. I want to step up and say where are they, I will help remove them, but I don't really know if that's my place. Another thing, there are a lot of wild rabbits around here, many of whom suffer from myxomatosis. So what is the option, leave them to die, they are wild rabbits, or call an animal rescue organisation and they will be put down. In my building a lot of people were complaining about tiny flies in the apartments, the kind that hang around the bin. So lots of people were buying stuff to kill them, and you want to say please don't do that or try to give them an alternative, but don't really feel like you can. Does anyone else have any feedback on that kind of stuff? I always feel like I really lack in that area.
Were there any particular kind of shoes you were looking for? I find asos good because they have a search option for non-leather, they're affordable and I've got some nice boots on there.
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I agree. I do think this idea that Catholic Church forbid people to eat meat on a friday but you could eat fish has fish firmly categorised as not meat in most people's minds. My sister in law used to do the 'vegetarian but I eat fish' routine until I pointed out how hard it makes things for me. Now she describes herself as a fussy eaterimo vegetarians* are to blame. i'm using the term loosely, I mean the people who say such things as "i'm a vegetarian, but I eat fish".
We all know that it's an oxymoron, and the correct phrase is Pescetarian, but I can safely say that in the real world (outside of the internet) that heard phrases like that used more than pescetarian, and its not close. The term Vegetarian was unheard of 50 years ago but now it's common place, Pescetarian could be the same if people would only use it correctly.
She's 3. And being honest it's a bit of a 'we'll fall off that bridge when we come to it'Serious questions. How old is your child now?
At what point do they have there own say, if they wanted to widen their food options, would you start buying meat for them?
I'm not trying to be snide or anything. It's something that I've often wondered about. Obviously its awkward growing up a veggie in a meat eating household. But I've wondered if there are people in the opposite situation, who need to use their own pans, and utensils etc.
She sees other people eating meat, we have pizza night every saturday night and her uncle has pepperoni on his pizza. I'm trying to get her to understand that it's a choice people make so not to make comment on other people's food choices but at the same time at 3 it's not really a choice I want her making. She hasn't asked to try meat yet though so it hasn't really become an issue but I guess my fear is that if she did want to eat meat then there'd be a difficulty with diet balance. At the moment the household eats a balanced vegetarian diet, but the smell of cooking meat makes me physically ill so cooking meat at home isn't going to be an option so that leaves an unbalanced omnivorous diet which isn't what I want either. I also don't want her eating the likes of sausages, hot dogs, burgers and chicken nuggets so you're back to cooking meat at home and varying it. If she's old enough to be able to cook for herself than that's a different matter but it's going to mean co-ordinating the cooking so there's no meat cooking smell when I'm getting the other dinner ready.
In short, I'm delighted she hasn't asked yet 0 -
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TooManyDogs wrote: »I agree. I do think this idea that Catholic Church forbid people to eat meat on a friday but you could eat fish has fish firmly categorised as not meat in most people's minds. My sister in law used to do the 'vegetarian but I eat fish' routine until I pointed out how hard it makes things for me. Now she describes herself as a fussy eater The term Vegetarian was unheard of 50 years ago but now it's common place, Pescetarian could be the same if people would only use it correctly.
She's 3. And being honest it's a bit of a 'we'll fall off that bridge when we come to it' She sees other people eating meat, we have pizza night every saturday night and her uncle has pepperoni on his pizza. I'm trying to get her to understand that it's a choice people make so not to make comment on other people's food choices but at the same time at 3 it's not really a choice I want her making. She hasn't asked to try meat yet though so it hasn't really become an issue but I guess my fear is that if she did want to eat meat then there'd be a difficulty with diet balance. At the moment the household eats a balanced vegetarian diet, but the smell of cooking meat makes me physically ill so cooking meat at home isn't going to be an option so that leaves an unbalanced omnivorous diet which isn't what I want either. I also don't want her eating the likes of sausages, hot dogs, burgers and chicken nuggets so you're back to cooking meat at home and varying it. If she's old enough to be able to cook for herself than that's a different matter but it's going to mean co-ordinating the cooking so there's no meat cooking smell when I'm getting the other dinner ready.
In short, I'm delighted she hasn't asked yet
Hiya, I have two kids that have grown up veggie (14 and 6) and have never wanted to try meat. They both eat quite well and are very healthy. We must have had discussions about it at some point about why we don't eat animals but I can't remember ever sitting down to formally cover the topic. They are both quite strict about their diets and I'd be surprised if they decided to eat meat as adults.0 -
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"Easy to find" is a bit subjective. It would also depend on your target amount of protein. 1g/lb bodyweight is a common target.
Even if you don;t find it difficult, you can't really argue with the fact that a veggie has far less options for protein sources.
The protein quality is a bit vague also. Theres' the whole soy issue. In general plant protein sources are said to be less complete than animal based ones, on the flip side a varied diet could possible even that out. But not everyone is aware of that, so I certainly wouldn't call it easy.
I'd hardly call it the hardest part of being vegetarian though. No point getting into a silly debate over it anyway 0 -
DanDan6592 wrote: »I'd hardly call it the hardest part of being vegetarian though. No point getting into a silly debate over it anyway
I can't name any other foods off-hand, but quinoa is a complete protein. I read that, like you said, a varied diet sorts that out. Supposedly, all plant based foods have varying amounts of amino acids in them, and some have such-and-such amino acid that another food doesn't, but that it doesn't matter if you eat a few different foods to make up all the amino acids - your body doesn't care if it's all in the one food, it just takes them all and "converts" them, if you know what I mean. So long as you get all those amino acids, it wouldn't matter. Not totally sure and I could be wrong though.0 -
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