Older HKC alarm

garyh3

Hi All,

Need advice as I have an older HKC alarm (Wired) The installer said it was a 6 10???. Well the Panic button went and so I called the alarm guy out to remove. I wanted a remote key fob but he said you would have to upgrade.

So what's the cost to upgrade this puppy he gave me a cost which was rather expensive 400+ as he said it would need new keypads also. Can I just put in a keypad where the panic alarm was as it will server the purpose.

any advice welcomed

Gary

KoolKid

You could just put in another keypad yes.
New panel & keypad with wireless & a keyfob? €400 is not too bad.

garyh3

Thanks for that quick reply can i put a new keypad in or does it have to be a older keypad?

kub

garyh3 wrote: »

Thanks for that quick reply can i put a new keypad in or does it have to be a older keypad?

It has to be the same model as the one currently controlling your system.

garyh3

So if I went with a 1070 do I just need to upgrade the Mother board and Key pads will all the current sensors work. I can then add Wireless fob GSM at a later date ?

Thanks Guys for your advice

Gary

KoolKid

garyh3 wrote: »

So if I went with a 1070 do I just need to upgrade the Mother board and Key pads will all the current sensors work. I can then add Wireless fob GSM at a later date ?

Thanks Guys for your advice

Gary

Your are changing out the entire control panel , not just the PCB.
The 1070 will come with wireless. You can add devices later. Likewise with the GSM.

garyh3

Thanks KoolKid seems a lot of hassle to me to rip out the entire box !

KoolKid

The 1070 has completely different housing.
Not a big job really.

Evolution1

The 10/70 with keypad costs €170 and the fobs cost €45 .
Keypads are €90 (I think )
Gsm Q €150.

Just make a list of the zone names and numbers and mark all cables as you remove them and you'll have no trouble .

That price you were quoted sounds familiar . Along with him saying you'd need a keypad when one comes with the panel as standard .... Is this installer based in Kildare ??

garyh3

No Its JVL Alarms. John the installer to be honest is a fair man to deal with never had any issue with the alarm. The Keypad is for the old 6/10.

So is it easy to get an older keypad and install? I have the engineer code.

Thanks

Gary

Evolution1 wrote: »

The 10/70 with keypad costs €170 and the fobs cost €45 .
Keypads are €90 (I think )
Gsm Q €150.

Just make a list of the zone names and numbers and mark all cables as you remove them and you'll have no trouble .

That price you were quoted sounds familiar . Along with him saying you'd need a keypad when one comes with the panel as standard .... Is this installer based in Kildare ??

KoolKid

The Securewatch keypads are still available everywhere.
Simple to install.

Evolution1

Look on adverts . You'll pick one up handy . Once you have the engineer code its easy enough

altor

Evolution1 wrote: »

Look on adverts . You'll pick one up handy . Once you have the engineer code its easy enough

You dont need an engineer code to add a keypad to the HKC system.
Unless you want to ID it to the system.

garyh3

Ha just where im looking thanks

Evolution1 wrote: »

Look on adverts . You'll pick one up handy . Once you have the engineer code its easy enough

garyh3

Thanks Its going to replace a faulty panic button in the bedroom so I do I need to re- program ? also can I get how to wire the Keypad ?

thanks

altor wrote: »

You dont need an engineer code to add a keypad to the HKC system.
Unless you want to ID it to the system.

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

Thanks Its going to replace a faulty panic button in the bedroom so I do I need to re- program ? also can I get how to wire the Keypad ?

thanks

There is also a panic built in to the keypad. star and hash button together.
To add the keypad you identify the cable and disconnect it from the zone in the panel plus close off this zone in the control panel. The keypad will have 1-4 on the terminals. Wire this in and connect the same way in the control panel.

garyh3

altor wrote: »

There is also a panic built in to the keypad. star and hash button together.
To add the keypad you identify the cable and disconnect it from the zone in the panel plus close off this zone in the control panel. The keypad will have 1-4 on the terminals. Wire this in and connect the same way in the control panel.

OK Thanks

Do I need to be in the Engineer mode first to take the alarm panel off ?

Thanks

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

OK Thanks

Do I need to be in the Engineer mode first to take the alarm panel off ?

Thanks

When you remove the cover the alarm will activate. Simply entering your user code on the keypad will turn this off. Just make sure you turn off the mains going to the control panel first. The back up battery will keep the system up and running.

garyh3

Ok so does anyone have a securewatch keypad for sale adverts is a bit empty

Thanks

Evolution1

garyh3 wrote: »

Ok so does anyone have a securewatch keypad for sale adverts is a bit empty

Thanks

There's loads on adverts . Just search for HKC ..

KoolKid

Here's one

http://www.adverts.ie/other-electronics/alarm-hkc/2225584

garyh3

Hi koolkid i did bid on that one but hes not answering and i cannot tell if its securewatch jtesponding

KoolKid wrote: »

Here's one

http://www.adverts.ie/other-electronics/alarm-hkc/2225584

KoolKid

Yeah, he's not very quick to respond.
Going by the pic its Securewatch.

garyh3

Ok have the old Secure Watch Key Pad to replace the old Panic button

So Just want to confirm.

Its currently wired on T8 which I believe is Zone 8 the last block on the 6/10?? at the bottom? Left - Right

So I take this off and loop back Zone 8 Black With Red and Yellow with Blue

I take the 4 wire's and put on the Right Side of the 6/10 1st block going up the panel that has the black red blue yellow (which I think is the other keypad wiring) is that correct. ???

Any advice appreciated

I have added a pick of Board

Gary

altor wrote: »

There is also a panic built in to the keypad. star and hash button together.
To add the keypad you identify the cable and disconnect it from the zone in the panel plus close off this zone in the control panel. The keypad will have 1-4 on the terminals. Wire this in and connect the same way in the control panel.

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

Ok have the old Secure Watch Key Pad to replace the old Panic button

So Just want to confirm.

Its currently wired on T8 which I believe is Zone 8 the last block on the 6/10?? at the bottom? Left - Right

So I take this off and loop back Zone 8 Black With Red and Yellow with Blue

I take the 4 wire's and put on the Right Side of the 6/10 1st block going up the panel that has the black red blue yellow (which I think is the other keypad wiring) is that correct. ???

Any advice appreciated

Gary

The zone in the panel you close this off by putting two staples or a piece of cable across the zone.
Wire the keypad in where the old panic button was.
Then wire the keypad in with the other cable wired into the keypad terminal in the control panel. Make sure both keypads are wired up the same. You can take the fuse out or down power the whole system so you dont short the fuses.

garyh3

altor wrote: »

The zone in the panel you close this off by putting two staples or a piece of cable across the zone.
Wire the keypad in where the old panic button was.
Then wire the keypad in with the other cable wired into the keypad terminal in the control panel. Make sure both keypads are wired up the same. You can take the fuse out or down power the whole system so you dont short the fuses.

Thanks altor

So am I correct in the Pic as to where to put the keypad to ? Also which fuse do I take out as there are a few fuses on the PCB.

Thanks

Gary

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

Thanks altor

So am I correct in the Pic as to where to put the keypad to ? Also which fuse do I take out as there are a few fuses on the PCB.

Thanks

Gary

Yes, the picture is correct. The bottom fuse of the 4 is the keypad fuse. F1.

garyh3

altor wrote: »

Yes, the picture is correct. The bottom fuse of the 4 is the keypad fuse. F1.

Cheers altor for your help

Best wishes

Gary

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

Cheers altor for your help

Best wishes

Gary

Your welcome Gary

garyh3

Hi altor

I put the Keypad in last night and works a treat... However the guy who put my alarm in told me it was a 6/10 when I looked at the PCB it states its a 8/12. So my question is can I put a GSMQ on the Alarm ?

Cheers
Gary

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

Hi altor

I put the Keypad in last night and works a treat... However the guy who put my alarm in told me it was a 6/10 when I looked at the PCB it states its a 8/12. So my question is can I put a GSMQ on the Alarm ?

Cheers
Gary

Hi Gary,

Good to hear you got it sorted. Nice and easy to do.
You would need a GSM-P to work with the 8/12.

garyh3

Thanks altor


I see the GSM -P are not cheap :eek:

How easy are they to install? is there any threads on this ?

Cheers

Gary

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

Thanks altor


I see the GSM -P are not cheap :eek:

How easy are they to install? is there any threads on this ?

Cheers

Gary

Very easy, it is just a 6 core cable from control panel to GSM-P.
All you do is add the address in the site name, then add in the phone numbers you want it to text.
That is how simple it is to set up.

There are cheaper GSMs you could use but with the GSM-P you can have home automation, self monitoring plus remote access to the control panel. It will also give you more information with regard alarm zones that has activated. I would advise this GSM for your system over any other one.

garyh3

altor wrote: »

Very easy, it is just a 6 core cable from control panel to GSM-P.
All you do is add the address in the site name, then add in the phone numbers you want it to text.
That is how simple it is to set up.

There are cheaper GSMs you could use but with the GSM-P you can have home automation, self monitoring plus remote access to the control panel. It will also give you more information with regard alarm zones that has activated. I would advise this GSM for your system over any other one.

Cheers altor

Could you tell me where to wire the 6 core to on the PCB I suspect it probably above where the RKP is wired ????

Also I don't have the menu options when in Engineer mode for the 8/12 is there a pdf or booklet (I didn't get one when the alarm was installed ?)

Cheers for your Help

Gary

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

Cheers altor

Could you tell me where to wire the 6 core to on the PCB I suspect it probably above where the RKP is wired ????

Also I don't have the menu options when in Engineer mode for the 8/12 is there a pdf or booklet (I didn't get one when the alarm was installed ?)

Cheers for your Help

Gary

2 of the cores are wired into the 12V on the control panel located just above where the keypad is wired in. The other 4 cores are wired into a card that comes with the GSM and plugged directly onto the PCB board.
The same applies to the GSM-P.

I sent you the Manual by P.M.

garyh3

altor wrote: »

2 of the cores are wired into the 12V on the control panel located just above where the keypad is wired in. The other 4 cores are wired into a card that comes with the GSM and plugged directly onto the PCB board.
The same applies to the GSM-P.

I sent you the Manual by P.M.

Cheers Altor for your help

Just one more
Can I use a Vodafone SIM ?

Cheers

Gary

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

Cheers Altor for your help

Just one more
Can I use a Vodafone SIM ?

Cheers

Gary

Yes, the vodafone sim works. Make sure you turn off the sim pin lock in a phone befor fitting.
Just check which one has the best signal in your area. What I suggest is to register the sim on line before installing it in the GSM. This will allow you access to top it up plus check credit with out having to take the sim out of the GSM. 02 have increased the time the sim stays active now.

Some are only 6 months before you must top it up again but you can check this with your service provider.

garyh3

altor wrote: »

Yes, the vodafone sim works. Make sure you turn off the sim pin lock in a phone befor fitting.
Just check which one has the best signal in your area. What I suggest is to register the sim on line before installing it in the GSM. This will allow you access to top it up plus check credit with out having to take the sim out of the GSM. 02 have increased the time the sim stays active now.

Some are only 6 months before you must top it up again but you can check this with your service provider.

Thanks altor for that

Is there a GSM-P install Doc ? also

Cheers
Gary

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

Thanks altor for that

Is there a GSM-P install Doc ? also

Cheers
Gary

No Problem, sent you that by P.M.
Here is a link to the GSM User Manual.

garyh3

Thanks Again alto very much appreciated.....:)

I see that there is a Tamper going to Z8. Its currently looped out as it was my old Panic Button. Can I just unloop and put the wire to that connector?

Also as the GSM Will be next to the 8/12 so I don't need to connect that RS485. Just the sw-4/8 cable to the Digi Modem board

I think that's it

cheers
Gary

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

Thanks Again alto very much appreciated.....:)

I see that there is a Tamper going to Z8. Its currently looped out as it was my old Panic Button. Can I just unloop and put the wire to that connector?

Also as the GSM Will be next to the 8/12 so I don't need to connect that RS485. Just the sw-4/8 cable to the Digi Modem board

I think that's it

cheers
Gary

You need the 12V supply either way. If using the digi ribbon lead you still need 2 cores for power. Once the cable is long enough to reach you will be fine using that.

garyh3

Anyone got a 2nd had GSM-P on the Cheap?

KoolKid

Try Adverts.ie

garyh3

did already 250 yo yo's :-0

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

did already 250 yo yo's :-0

A lot cheaper than the suppliers
Expensive unit but will give you more options with regard your alarm system.

garyh3

If that's cheap then why would you buy it and not a 1070 with GSM-Q????

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

If that's cheap then why would you buy it and not a 1070 with GSM-Q????

Works out nearly the same price for the 2.
Its an older GSM tho for your older system to allow more functionality.

garyh3

exactly older system and older GSM so why expensive !!!!

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

exactly older system and older GSM so why expensive !!!!

The 8/12. If you had a Securewave with version 3 or higher the plug on GSM-Q could be used.

garyh3

thanks altor how do you tell what version ? is it on the board or do you have to go though the menus ?

altor

garyh3 wrote: »

thanks altor how do you tell what version ? is it on the board or do you have to go though the menus ?

You need the engineer code, go into service menu, press yes, scroll to engineer tool menu, press yes, scroll to software version, press yes, panel version, press yes. This will tell you the version installed on your system.