Harvest Food Festival

jennygirl

i see in Waterford news & Star that local restaurant and food establishments are being priced out of their own city festival - most restaurants are not going to have stands at the festival - price has risen from €250 to €2,500 this year - with "barbecue" and burger stalls being brought from Dublin.
the promoter and events co-ordinator for the event are also Dublin companies. The Porterhouse Bar in Dublin are the bar company involved.
Lets watch all our hard earned money go up the motorway to Dublin thanks to City Council yet again!

Nypd

jennygirl wrote: »

i see in Waterford news & Star that local restaurant and food establishments are being priced out of their own city festival - most restaurants are not going to have stands at the festival - price has risen from €250 to €2,500 this year - with "barbecue" and burger stalls being brought from Dublin.
the promoter and events co-ordinator for the event are also Dublin companies. The Porterhouse Bar in Dublin are the bar company involved.
Lets watch all our hard earned money go up the motorway to Dublin thanks to City Council yet again!

Whole thing was farmed out to a Dublin company, haven't heard of any local suppliers getting a sniff.

invalid

The world is rich in facts, but alas this thread isn't

Sully

invalid wrote: »

The world is rich in facts, but alas this thread isn't

Alas, it always makes me wonder why people who seem to know all the facts don't tell us all the facts

Max Powers

Nypd wrote: »

Whole thing was farmed out to a Dublin company, haven't heard of any local suppliers getting a sniff.

thats probably a complete exaggeration. if you look at the events going on you will see that there is loads happening with local businesses involved. There is a craft beer festival on and im sure that is where porterhouse got involved. you cant have a craft beer event with just Metalman and Dungarvan. As for all the food stalls, we dont have enough mix and amount of markets stall people here so outside people always set up at these things. Willing to guess a large portion of them are from the SE. increase of price from 250 to 2500 sounds ridiculous, i hope this is not the case.

This is a fantastic food festival and if supported could easily become the top food festival in the country, its already one of the best of them i have been to. Cue comments from people saying they got a burger....from ....for €3...at.....food festival etc.

PS, website keeps crashing when i try to open, anyone same? anyone have contact for organisers?

Dicky Pride

This Year:
HOT FOOD €1,500.00 VAT - €345.00 TOTAL - €1,845.00
SNACK/ BEVERAGE €1050 €241 TOTAL - €1291
RETAIL UNIT €250.00 €57.50 €307.50

Last Year:
Retail Stall 3mx3m Euro 85
Additional space 15 Euro per metre
i.e 4mx3m Euro 100
Coffee and Snacks. Euro 140
This price includes 1 x 16 amp electrical connection and gas inspection
Hot Food Vendors. Euro 200

Last year was for just one day, this year it's for three full days.

There is a one day option for market traders for the Saturday in the park. Prices for that:
HOT FOOD €300.00 €69.00 €369.00
SNACK/ BEVERAGE €150.00 €34.50 €184.50
RETAIL €75.00 €17.25 €92.25

I'm pretty sure that the organisers would not want to turn anyone away and if a local came to them with a proposal im sure compromises could be made.

Those figures above came from the article I read in the paper by the way. Public knowledge

Nypd

Max Powers wrote: »

thats probably a complete exaggeration.

Why would you assume it's a complete exaggeration.

There was a craft beer event last year by a local supplier which had more then just metal man beers.
Metal man was promoted heavily which is only right.
This year the bar has been given to a Dublin bar, I don't care how much of an institution these bars are in Dublin, this is a Waterford event and local suppliers should be given a crack at the whip,
Which by the way they have the last 3/4 years since harvest was ramped up and now since city council have farmed out the event they have been unceremoniously dumped.
This is just one example there is more.

Max Powers

Nypd wrote: »

Why would you assume it's a complete exaggeration.

There was a craft beer event last year by a local supplier which had more then just metal man beers.
Metal man was promoted heavily which is only right.
This year the bar has been given to a Dublin bar, I don't care how much of an institution these bars are in Dublin, this is a Waterford event and local suppliers should be given a crack at the whip,
Which by the way they have the last 3/4 years since harvest was ramped up and now since city council have farmed out the event they have been unceremoniously dumped.
This is just one example there is more.

re: exaggeration: i find it hard to fathom that they would increase costs of stall from 250 to 2500 in one year, i/we must be missing something. Im not calling anyone a liar, its more that such an increase would be mad, in every sense of the word.

There are plenty of events with Waterford businesses involved heavily. Whole thing is not being farmed out. Yeah, had a few metalmans at last one and no one is arguing why couldnt Revolution or some other pub do it that does a lot of craft beers. why didnt that happen, we dont know. Metalman will be at the craft beer event so go down there and drink local, happy days for you, the event and local brewers. they are not being dumped so no need for creating a storm in a teacup. BTW, who done the craft beer event last year, didnt make that, only got to the metalman stand at main picnic?

CardBordWindow

Max Powers wrote: »

re: exaggeration: i find it hard to fathom that they would increase costs of stall from 250 to 2500 in one year, i/we must be missing something. Im not calling anyone a liar, its more that such an increase would be mad, in every sense of the word.

There are plenty of events with Waterford businesses involved heavily. Whole thing is not being farmed out. Yeah, had a few metalmans at last one and no one is arguing why couldnt Revolution or some other pub do it that does a lot of craft beers. why didnt that happen, we dont know. Metalman will be at the craft beer event so go down there and drink local, happy days for you, the event and local brewers. they are not being dumped so no need for creating a storm in a teacup. BTW, who done the craft beer event last year, didnt make that, only got to the metalman stand at main picnic?

I'm fairly sure it was Revolutions.
Flash was running the bar anyway.

Max Powers

CardBordWindow wrote: »

I'm fairly sure it was Revolutions.
Flash was running the bar anyway.

yeah thought as much as only a few pubs do a good range of good beers, shame its not him or someone local this year as well but not a big deal in grand scheme of all the events possibly.

jennygirl

CardBordWindow wrote: »

I'm fairly sure it was Revolutions.
Flash was running the bar anyway.

Flash was intending to do the bar this year - he says he only found out he wasnt doing it when a guy from the Porterhouse Bar in Dublin came to ask for staff and licensing help. He tried ringing City Council but no call back. says the event organiser is a Dublin Company called http://www.vscevents.ie. He is annoyed that a local company did not get a chance to even quote for the event. Must say he does the job when promoting Metalman brewery as a Waterford company.
Also was talking to some local restaurants are they are not taking stands due to the exorbitant costs involved. its 1,500 to 2,500 for a stand plus, water, plus electricity, plus gas plus Vat

angelfalling

The increase is accurate. Myself and many regular food traders in Waterford are priced out and many are choosing not to participate (because they can't afford to).

The festival is being run very differently to the way it was run in the past, and that's stupidity, given its always been very successful and something that local traders rely on every year to float them through the slow winter months. The local organizer was pushed out on the heels of Winterval and some criticism there (they did the same thing to local traders with that, too).

They have increased the price dramatically and there is no guarantee that footfall would be high enough over 3 days to justify that outlay to small producers. Its really hurting people this year, in a big, big way. Everyone will see the line up and think "fair play" to the council, but its doing nothing for local small businesses.

This used to be an event where you would see every small producer in the local radius involved because they could afford it and really get a chance to put the what the locals offer on the table. You will not see that at this event.

deisemum

When I go to a food festival I'm more interested in produce from the local area and environs not the bog standard ones that are at every festival.

I love the Harvest Festival and have been going to it since it started and one of the key selling points has always been keeping things local.

I'm not happy to see so much of the business going Dublin's way, even worse and more disappointing was to see that the festival launched in Dublin. It will lose it's appeal if this is the way it's going to be from now on.

I'm disappointed that the council have priced so many local businesses out of it so I'll be making sure I don't support any of the stalls or events from outside the area but will support the local businesses instead.

Where were the big Dublin businesses when the local businesses and groups started the festival and built it up? It's a slap in the face to those businesses who took a risk and built up the festival to then be priced out of it in such a way.

Dicky Pride

deisemum wrote: »

When I go to a food festival I'm more interested in produce from the local area and environs not the bog standard ones that are at every festival.

I love the Harvest Festival and have been going to it since it started and one of the key selling points has always been keeping things local.

I'm not happy to see so much of the business going Dublin's way, even worse and more disappointing was to see that the festival launched in Dublin. It will lose it's appeal if this is the way it's going to be from now on.

I'm disappointed that the council have priced so many local businesses out of it so I'll be making sure I don't support any of the stalls or events from outside the area but will support the local businesses instead.

Where were the big Dublin businesses when the local businesses and groups started the festival and built it up? It's a slap in the face to those businesses who took a risk and built up the festival to then be priced out of it in such a way.

There were two launches. One in Dublin to show the country what we could do. And another big one in Waterford. FYI

angelfalling

Also myself and other traders from a local market have approached them with a proposal and we are awaiting their response. If they accept our offer I'll be more than happy to sing praises that they are working with traders, but not everyone is willing to ask for a lower price when its issued so officially via email .pdf all outlined.

Green Hornet

They've dropped the threshing on the quay as well. Pity, I used to like that. Used to attract people from Wexford down too.

Max Powers

angelfalling wrote: »

The increase is accurate. Myself and many regular food traders in Waterford are priced out and many are choosing not to participate (because they can't afford to).

The festival is being run very differently to the way it was run in the past, and that's stupidity, given its always been very successful and something that local traders rely on every year to float them through the slow winter months. The local organizer was pushed out on the heels of Winterval and some criticism there (they did the same thing to local traders with that, too).

They have increased the price dramatically and there is no guarantee that footfall would be high enough over 3 days to justify that outlay to small producers. Its really hurting people this year, in a big, big way. Everyone will see the line up and think "fair play" to the council, but its doing nothing for local small businesses.

This used to be an event where you would see every small producer in the local radius involved because they could afford it and really get a chance to put the what the locals offer on the table. You will not see that at this event.

I would be concerned about what angelfalling says here. Everyone wants a good mix of local stuff and a few odd things from around the country because maybe local people arent doing kangaroo on a stick etc . Pricing locals out of it is not good. To play devil's advocate: Was the same complaint made last year? I was listening to FLash on WLR yesterday evening, didnt hear all of the interviews (Talking about city centre biz) but he didnt mention thing about porterhouse, you would think he would have since others were bigging-up the council. Heard the launch in Dublin and i thought that was a positive as it gets national press etc.

as for dropping some items like threshing, they need to mix it up a bit get some new things in so it makes sense in a way to drop some stuff and try others.

I will be doubling my efforts to support local producers when im down there anyway, will be drinking metalman and possibly eating paella from dunmore east. One way to for us all to support local SE producers is to buy local stuff and then the penny will drop for organisers.

Have to say, even with all that has been said, the event looks fantastic and im sure majority of events are of local benefit, dine in dark etc.

jennygirl

was in Rev last night for the match - asked flash what was the story - he said porterhouse got the bar - he was lead up the garden path with it, not asked to tender for anything - the first he heard was when porterhouse called into him looking for staff etc for the weekend. he is not a happy camper! he said he won't bring it into the public realm because he wants to see the city do well and be positive. Sad Really!

comeraghs

I'm still going to support it 100% but try to spend what I'm spending on Waterford Co's!

It's a great festival & deserves our support.

TheVandal

Is this all just speculation or are there any food vendors etc that can comment on this?

angelfalling

Is this all just speculation or are there any food vendors etc that can comment on this?

Not sure what you mean? I am a food vendor and know many other food vendors who are not participating who participated for the past number of years.

Spadzy

It is a disgrace and just stinks of greed............... all the local people and suppliers who have built up and made the festival the success that it has become over the years have been priced out this year!
Why would you want to do anything to help this city if you are going to get shafted!!
Ill take it that there have been no official comments from city council yet????

TheVandal

angelfalling wrote: »

Not sure what you mean? I am a food vendor and know many other food vendors who are not participating who participated for the past number of years.

No offense meant- I only had a chance to scan the thread due to being at work at the time. I was hoping it would be speculation because, in reality, it's actually sickening to think that local vendors are being shafted to make room for non locals.

"The Harvest festival- a little slice of Dublin in Waterford"

I'm genuinely gutted for ye. :-\

Max Powers

Spadzy wrote: »

It is a disgrace and just stinks of greed............... all the local people and suppliers who have built up and made the festival the success that it has become over the years have been priced out this year!
Why would you want to do anything to help this city if you are going to get shafted!!
Ill take it that there have been no official comments from city council yet????

a bit of balance here maybe, while we all want to see local vendors, did they have opp to get stands?, of course they did. It wasnt just the vendors who built up the festival but the organisers deserve a lot of credit too. the vendors are there to make a profit and the organisers have a duty to minimise costs also so a bit of reality here, every seller down there is there for mostly their own benefit. however, I think its a bad startegy to increase stand costs so much.
Probably no comment from city council as they havent been asked.

Nypd

Max Powers wrote: »

It wasnt just the vendors who built up the festival but the organisers deserve a lot of credit too.
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The original event manager that was responsible for the resurgence of the harvest festival is no longer working on it.
The current company looking after it have zero claim to any credit.
I feel it's been run with what seems like no local knowledge.

jennygirl

Nypd wrote: »

The original event manager that was responsible for the resurgence of the harvest festival is no longer working on it.
The current company looking after it have zero claim to any credit.
I feel it's been run with what seems like no local knowledge.

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its a City Council funded festival, now run by Harrison Leisure in Dublin, another Dublin Company selling te stands and providing the shell structure, they are setting the pitch fees, they have "stands" who work with them in Bloom, Elec Picnic etc. They Believe the festival will be packed for Fri, Sat & Sun. Food stands are the Burger & hot dog stands seen at Winterval. i''ll miss Azzuro's Paella, Sabai's Noodles, Bodega's BLT, Revolutions great range of Craft Beers, and the rest! what a Shame Waterford is being run from Dublin!

angelfalling

Well, someone will be making money, at least...

The council loves this because its looks great on the outside and most visitors are unaware (like with Winterval) that very few local business are benefiting at all. Small food business don't make a lot of money, and it involves a LOT of unpaid work and time to run-- so these big events are necessary to continue to operate for many people I know.

comeraghs

This festival is bringing a lot of extra people into Waterford City & has a NATIONAL PROFILE.

It's important we all support it by spreading the word.

But by all means try & shop local as much as possible.

madfcuker

Saw am advertisement in the independent today about it it's getting great publicity.

invalid

[BEER]

The details of the Artisan Beerfest have been announced, http://www.waterfordharvestfestival.ie/programme/details/artisan_beerfest. Decent lineup and the tenner entry gets you food.

Looks good, and they've sorted out the licensing, so it will be open until midnight this time.

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mozattack

Yum, burger after burger after burger after burger....... snooze.

invalid

mozattack wrote: »

Yum, burger after burger after burger after burger....... snooze.

or noodles, sausages, filled blahs, crepes, cupcakes or a loads of other foods. Say what you will, you must admit that in the harvest festival there is always a variety of foods on offer.

nice_very

Volunteers have been notified of where there are needed and what times.. as one of them I am delighted to be involved for the 3rd year!!

on a similar note, Winterval are having a volunteer meeting on tuesday in Dooleys hotel at 7pm or wed 18th at 11am

Wan tew

think you'll need to explain

moans3536

Was in at harvest festival tonight,very poor amount of stalls - onlya handful of stall from Crystal to theToweHotel Junction.
strolled across t Bolton Street to have a look at stalls and as it was 7.30they wanted a tenner each. No way was i paying
forty euro for myself and three kids to look at stalls.

i noticed all the tents, and generators were supplied by a Dublin company MWhire. its a pity clem jacob did not get a
look in , he is very good to look after local businesses.

Waterfordcity council should hang your head in shame that you would not give the business to local providers.

jennygirl

moans3536 wrote: »

Was in at harvest festival tonight,very poor amount of stalls - onlya handful of stall from Crystal to theToweHotel Junction.
strolled across t Bolton Street to have a look at stalls and as it was 7.30they wanted a tenner each. No way was i paying
forty euro for myself and three kids to look at stalls.

i noticed all the tents, and generators were supplied by a Dublin company MWhire. its a pity clem jacob did not get a
look in , he is very good to look after local businesses.

Waterford city council should hang your head in shame that you would not give the business to local providers.

City Council want to make it a national Festival -
and have forgotten cormac from Bodega,Clem Jacon Hire, Flash in Revolution,Catherine in Sabai, etc etc who made this festival - put in loads of time etc
a Festival is About Community Pulling together, telling friends, have a Craic --- not Corporate Companise advertising in Dublin and Bringing Dublin rip off companies to Waterford
Shame on

Sully

Someone to do with the festival responded to this on WLR this morning saying the price increase on the stalls was to accommodate the improvements to the area in terms of the overall decor but that they will learn from their mistakes.

0rt

Who in the city council organised the employment of the dublin based events company?
The whole thing just reaks of Wintervill again..

Dicky Pride

The whole thing just reeks of Waterford people doing what they do best - bitching.

thomasm

Strolled down yesterday afternoon to pick up a sandwich/wrap for lunch and was a little surprised how much smaller it seems this year. Last year nearly the whole quay was utilised and this year it's from the Tower hotel junction to the House of Waterford Crystal for stalls and food outlets. Only food available at that point was a chicken wrap but they were looking for €7!!! You can get same for approx half the price 50 yards up the road in Viking Newsagents/ Deli. Mayby there is still stalls and places to be set up and opened for the weekend?

Heard good things about beer festival though and the area looks really well with the flags and giant chairs.

invalid

The Bolton street car park section is free until 7:30 each day. Kids are free but must be out by 9pm.

As for this "Dublin stealing our money shyt" most of the stalls from previous years were from outside the city and county. Plus it was on the radio that flash was offered a 50/50 deal on the bar but wouldn't do it.

0rt

No, not most of the stalls were from out of town last year, I know because i was involved
As for Flash being offered a 50/50 deal and it was broadcast ont he radio, I didnt hear about that, nor did flash mention it to me, so.. given that radio stations podcast, can you link me to what you heard please so i can judge myself?

There are plenty of local Events management company's that would have done the job and employed local people..
Just like Winterval, everything was sourced from outside the city.. including traders.

jennygirl

0rt wrote: »

No, not most of the stalls were from out of town last year, I know because i was involved
As for Flash being offered a 50/50 deal and it was broadcast ont he radio, I didnt hear about that, nor did flash mention it to me, so.. given that radio stations podcast, can you link me to what you heard please so i can judge myself?

There are plenty of local Events management company's that would have done the job and employed local people..
Just like Winterval, everything was sourced from outside the city.. including traders.

Dublin Events Management Company, Dublin Marquees, Dublin Bar, Dublin Burger Stalls - and flash was not given 50;50 deal, and a city councillor asked at last monday nights meeting why so many Dublin companies, Lar Power said local companies did not tender! the truth is the only tender was for a PR company - there was no other tenders sought. I feel bad for local companies who built this festival and gave it their all - and now not even to be asked to tender for their own cities Business" SHAME!

7upfree

Dicky Pride wrote: »

The whole thing just reeks of Waterford people doing what they do best - bitching.

Not so. Waterford people are the salt of this Earth. A minority term their opinions as "bitching". And, in this instance, I believe they've got it right. I'll still support the Festival, but I'm not happy about what's going on.

Jason Todd

Dicky Pride wrote: »

The whole thing just reeks of Waterford people doing what they do best - bitching.

I'd usually agree with the majority of your posts Dicky, and Waterford does have it's fair share of moaners now and again, but imo people are well within their rights to have a pop at the lack of support for local suppliers at this years festival. It's called the 'Waterford Harvest Festival'.

Shur didn't it get off to a great start when they got the dates wrong on the signage!

0rt

Im not even from waterford..

0rt

https://www.facebook.com/ButlerstownMarket/posts/232092273610420

Butlerstown Farmers Market -
"As many of our local traders have been pushed out of this year's Harvest Festival, we want to offer any trader without a place to trade this Saturday to come and set up a stall with us! Please get in touch! As a result, we're hoping the community embraces our local market showcasing local talent and visits us on Saturday from 10am - 3pm."

Pattern Welded Blaa

I traded in the Harvest festival from the start, but cannot afford to trade in it this year. There is just so much work involved in making enough product to pay for the chance of just being there that it's not worthwhile. The existing Festival wasn't broken, so why "fix" it?

deisemum

I've enjoyed the Harvest Festival in the past but it's a poorer festival this year, very disappointing.

Ostrom

Quite a disappointment this year. Nothing of the sense of scale experienced last year, nor anything approaching the numbers I would think. I cant pin it down exactly, but it felt less like an 'event' than last years, and more like a casual plonking of stalls at random - it took us well over an hour to walk the length of the quay last year, and by the time we reached the end, we were stuffed. Nothing caught my attention this year (nearly every stand was selling some variant of burger), and the beer tent was very underwhelming. Called out to my friend at Butlerstown earlier and got a far better range of stuff.

invalid

0rt wrote: »

No, not most of the stalls were from out of town last year, I know because i was involved
As for Flash being offered a 50/50 deal and it was broadcast ont he radio, I didnt hear about that, nor did flash mention it to me, so.. given that radio stations podcast, can you link me to what you heard please so i can judge myself?

There are plenty of local Events management company's that would have done the job and employed local people..
Just like Winterval, everything was sourced from outside the city.. including traders.

Actually, there were over 100 stalls last year, and other than the ones around the clock tower most were out of county.
The thing about flash was mentioned by someone from the Harvest Commettee being interviewed last week, but feel free to ask Flash straight out. I can't find a podcast.

There are loads of Waterford people employed at the festival (from my visit i saw loads if clem jacob stuff in the park, the security are all Waterford and there is a whole section called slice of Waterford that is full) so its just a pity that some of local traders wouldn't take the chance on seeing if the changes would work.

I just hope that this isn't the last Harvest Festival