Nazi experiments on humans.

Ciotola

Does anyone else find the accounts of these experiments fascinating?

Chilling stuff.

bumper234

Ciotola wrote: »

Does anyone else find the accounts of these experiments fascinating?

Chilling stuff.

See ya

Hank Scorpio

Don't think fascinating is the right word to use

Banjo String

"Fascinating"?

Can't say I have dude.

Mr. Incognito

Ciotola wrote: »

Does anyone else find the accounts of these experiments fascinating?

Chilling stuff.

No more chilling than the Americans irradiating middle american towns in secret including pregnant women to study the effects.

hatrickpatrick

They pale in comparison to the antics of Unit 731, the Japanese chemical weapons research division during WWII.
Someone once linked me to a film called "Men Behind the Sun" in a thread about shocking movie torture scenes. What has been seen, can never be unseen, and having read about the unit since then it would appear that what's depicted in the film is a sunny picnic compared to the kind of things they actually got up to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

Ciotola

Ciotola wrote: »

Does anyone else find the accounts of these experiments fascinating?

Chilling stuff.

It's horrific, depraved, repulsive.

Watching a spider spin a web is fascinating.

Amirani

I really can't agree with the use of the word fascinating in this sense. If it was 'fascinating', it would imply that you have/could potentially have a fascination with them. That sounds a bit weird.

GavRedKing

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

They pale in comparison to the antics of Unit 731, the Japanese chemical weapons research division during WWII.
Someone once linked me to a film called "Men Behind the Sun" in a thread about shocking movie torture scenes. What has been seen, can never be unseen, and having read about the unit since then it would appear that what's depicted in the film is a sunny picnic compared to the kind of things they actually got up to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

well that was......interesting. :eek:

Celly Smunt

It would be hard to say that human experiments never happened with the nazi's.

No smoke without fire and all....

IM0

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sebastianlieken

Ever read about the radiation exposure one? that one is mad

Group of people were selected to be subject to various tests. Anyway, the group of them are in the waiting room and have been instructed to fill out various forms about medical history etc. for the upcoming tests.

meanwhile they're being blasted with a crap load of gamma radiation to see what would happen. :eek:

hatrickpatrick

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

They pale in comparison to the antics of Unit 731, the Japanese chemical weapons research division during WWII.
Someone once linked me to a film called "Men Behind the Sun" in a thread about shocking movie torture scenes. What has been seen, can never be unseen, and having read about the unit since then it would appear that what's depicted in the film is a sunny picnic compared to the kind of things they actually got up to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

I didn't read much, but it's going to stay with me.

Upsetting.:(

MadsL

I can nazi how anyone has resisted the urge make a pun.

Amirani

Celly Smunt wrote: »

It would be hard to say that human experiments never happened with the nazi's.

No smoke without fire and all....

Who has claimed they didn't happen? There's massive amounts of evidence behind them.

sebastianlieken

Candie wrote: »

It's horrific, depraved, repulsive.

Watching a spider spin a web is fascinating.

Spiders are horrific, depraved, and repulsive.

And whether you like it or not, the cruel human experiments which the nazis conducted contributed enormously to modern medicine.

(i'm not condoning or supporting these experiments, I just agree that they were facinating and that spiders are disgusting)

Ciotola

sebastianlieken wrote: »

Ever read about the radiation exposure one? that one is mad

Group of people were selected to be subject to various tests. Anyway, the group of them are in the waiting room and have been instructed to fill out various forms about medical history etc. for the upcoming tests.

meanwhile they're being blasted with a crap load of gamma radiation to see what would happen. :eek:

I believe they were doing it to sterilise the participants.

Stojkovic

The Nazis werent the first and they certainly wont be the last.

studiorat

I was always fasci(st)nated by the Nazi space program and how Hitler managed to escape to his secret bunker on the moon.

MonstaMash

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

They pale in comparison to the antics of Unit 731, the Japanese chemical weapons research division during WWII.
Someone once linked me to a film called "Men Behind the Sun" in a thread about shocking movie torture scenes. What has been seen, can never be unseen, and having read about the unit since then it would appear that what's depicted in the film is a sunny picnic compared to the kind of things they actually got up to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

Check out 'Philosophy Of A Knife'

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0961119/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1

OldNotWIse

I didn't get as upset or angry reading that as I do when I hear about animal vivisection...

Walks away...secretly terrified for one's own humanity and perspective

Ten of Swords

Human experimentation still goes on in parts of the world. Many survivors of North Korean prison camps report prisoners being experimented on and military defectors have claimed that special forces test chemical and biological weapons on mentally handicapped prisoners, including children.

Some of their testimonies are really disturbing.

allibastor

It is shocking stuff, I rememeber reading about some of the treatments and things that came from the experiments, such as colon cancer treatment, G-force and flight stress tests etc. Most of our medical knowledge on cold and how to reverse or stop affect of extreme weather came from the Nazi experiments.

My name is URL

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

No more chilling than the Americans irradiating middle american towns in secret including pregnant women to study the effects.

Some of the stuff the Americans done is just beyond belief. It makes Nazi experimentation look almost humane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

Pace2008

Stojkovic wrote: »

The Nazis werent the first and they certainly wont be the last.

Nope. It wasn't just the Axis at it, and it wasn't just a WWII phenomenon either. The US government carried out a study on 600 black Americans afflicted with syphilis in which they allowed the disease to run its course without intervention, though they were informed that they were receiving treatment. The experiment started in 1932 and ran for 40 years, decades after a simple antibiotic treatment was discovered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

allibastor

I have read a good bit of these pages, all i can say is

holy Fück

Caonima

OP is listening to a little too much Slayer today

Lightbulb Sun

The Japanese were sadistic as be damned. The worst of the worst.

Morag

Werid to think couples who under go IFV today may have had some of the treatments which start in death camps. http://voices.yahoo.com/modern-day-science-adopts-information-gathered-from-10330127.html

Lux23

Lots of medical breakthroughs are the result of human experimentation, not that I would condone it at all, however if I was to be saved by a treatment that was developed in this way, I wouldn't be turning it away.

DazMarz

While it will never be condoned or widely acknowledged, the fact is that the vast majority of the knowledge possessed by modern doctors about human physiology and the endurance of the human body to extremes of cold, heat, air pressure, drinking seawater, etc. comes directly from a lot of experiments carried out by Nazi doctors in their concentration camp "hospitals".

It is also a fact that the majority of clinical studies in the fields of medicine, psychology, etc. are all based on case studies. Why? Because it is morally, ethically and medically wrong to experiment on humans as the after-effects could be disastrous.

I think there is a memorial stone at the camp in Auschwitz that simply reads "Never Again". We can only live in hope that it never does happen again.

enfant terrible

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

No more chilling than the Americans irradiating middle american towns in secret including pregnant women to study the effects.

What are you trying to say the Americans are just as bad?

If so why?

kneemos

DazMarz wrote: »

While it will never be condoned or widely acknowledged, the fact is that the vast majority of the knowledge possessed by modern doctors about human physiology and the endurance of the human body to extremes of cold, heat, air pressure, drinking seawater, etc. comes directly from a lot of experiments carried out by Nazi doctors in their concentration camp "hospitals".

It is also a fact that the majority of clinical studies in the fields of medicine, psychology, etc. are all based on case studies. Why? Because it is morally, ethically and medically wrong to experiment on humans as the after-effects could be disastrous.

I think there is a memorial stone at the camp in Auschwitz that simply reads "Never Again". We can only live in hope that it never does happen again.

N.Korea could have stories to reveal if it ever opens up.

Nemeses

kneemos wrote: »

N.Korea could have stories to reveal if it ever opens up.

Their time will come soon...

An I bet every last penny we'd wish we never knew!!

Duggy747

The Nazis and Japanese Army were grotesque in what they did, victims were just pieces of meat to be dissected and have their bodies pushed to the limit.

People like Aribert Heim and Josef Mengele were like something out of a gore porn movie like Hostel or Human Centipede.

Mengele's experiments also included attempts to change eye colour by injecting chemicals into children's eyes, various amputations of limbs, and other surgeries such as kidney removal, without anaesthesia.[17] Rena Gelissen's account of her time in Auschwitz details certain experiments performed on female prisoners around October 1943. Mengele would experiment on the chosen girls, performing forced sterilization and electroconvulsive therapy. Most of the victims died, because of either the experiments or later infections........

........Mengele did a number of studies on twins. After an experiment was over, the twins were usually killed and their bodies dissected. He supervised an operation by which two Roma children were sewn together to create conjoined twins; the hands of the children became badly infected where the veins had been resected; these twins soon died of an uncontrolled gangrene infection. In another "experiment", he connected a 7-year-old girl's urinary tract to her colon.[18]

As for N. Korea, there's plenty of accounts from escapees on the level of horror going on there, especially around some of the more known concentration camps like Camp 14 and Camp 22

.Henry Sellers.

Remember reading a book about Mengele, he was planning on having a museum of the skeletons of dwarfs and twins, basically any human body that had an abnormality. One story that stuck in my mind was of a big vat that was used in Mengele's camp to throw bodies into to prepare for his museum.

The bodies would be boiled and the flesh would fall off the bone to produce a meat free skeleton for Mengele's museum, think they were bleached later to make the bones pure white. Anyway a new team of Jewish workers that came to the extermination camp that would get benefits for helping out raced over to the boiling vat thinking it was the days food being cooked and they began gorging themselves with any flesh floating on the surface only to be told that it was human flesh they were eating.

Pretty freaky.

gctest50

enfant terrible wrote: »

What are you trying to say the Americans are just as bad?

If so why?

http://www.uvm.edu/~lkaelber/eugenics/

will get you started

Christ the Redeemer

Look up what the Yanks did too. Google keyword Project MKULTRA

Amalgam

Years ago, mitching from school, I made my way into Easons to waste some time before 'appearing' at home.. picked up Nazi Doctors by Robert Jay Lifton. ISBN 13: 9780465049059 ISBN 10: 0465049052

First time in years getting nauseous. Very technical and 'matter of factly'. It was the psychology of it that upset me. Injections into the heart, injecting petrol, getting people to sit or lie on radioactive material for hours..

A few bodies have made statements that their data is *not* derived from work done by the Nazis. It is murky though, a lot of 'work' on the effects of air/water pressure, or lack of it, on the human body, has part of its history from those times..

Not sure if there's any particular version worth picking up, it has been revised, but even first run copies from the late 80s are cheap on eBay.

DazMarz

MKULTRA was an unbelievable, shameful part of American history.

Add in Operation: Paperclip. Under Paperclip, ex-Nazi and ex-Imperial scientists, military officers and engineers were ferried to the USA to divulge secrets of their regimes to further the military and technological advances. Most famous amongst the Paperclip scientists was German rocket scientist Werner von Braun, who's designs for V2 Rockets were instrumental in NASA and the technology used to land upon the moon.

But is is long rumoured and conspired that many members of the SS and Unit 731 were also shipped to the USA and continued their experiments for and at the behest of the United States government, the CIA and the US Military. How much of this actually went on will probably never be truly known.

Clandestine

Check this out OP:
http://www.reddit.com/r/morbidreality

enfant terrible

gctest50 wrote: »

http://www.uvm.edu/~lkaelber/eugenics/

will get you started

I was asking why he needed to tell us of American wrong doings in a thread about Nazi's.

Does every thread need a "but but but look what the yanks did"?

Sunglasses Ron

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

They pale in comparison to the antics of Unit 731, the Japanese chemical weapons research division during WWII.
Someone once linked me to a film called "Men Behind the Sun" in a thread about shocking movie torture scenes. What has been seen, can never be unseen, and having read about the unit since then it would appear that what's depicted in the film is a sunny picnic compared to the kind of things they actually got up to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

I've always wondered why there is little to no effort put in to hunting Japanese war criminals compared to Nazi ones. With the way so many Japanese reach 100 and above there must be thousands of them still alive, there might even be a few still alive 15 years from now. And most of them seem to be right there in Japan rather than hiding out in various other countries like the Nazis did.

enfant terrible

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

I've always wondered why there is little to no effort put in to hunting Japanese war criminals compared to Nazi ones. With the way so many Japanese reach 100 and above there must be thousands of them still alive, there might even be a few still alive 15 years from now. And most of them seem to be right there in Japan rather than hiding out in various other countries like the Nazis did.

Don't think the Japanese acknowledge they committed the atrocities.

Sunglasses Ron

enfant terrible wrote: »

Don't think the Japanese acknowledge they committed the atrocities.

But the US occupied Japan. I think they tried and executed some of the highest ranking straight after the war, but never camp guards and the like that they do with Nazis.

shane9689

new movie coming out based on those type of ww2 experiments

OldNotWIse

Morag wrote: »

Werid to think couples who under go IFV today may have had some of the treatments which start in death camps. http://voices.yahoo.com/modern-day-science-adopts-information-gathered-from-10330127.html[/QUOTE]

Very interesting article. I suppose at least we can say some good can come out of something so horrible.

Lightbulb Sun

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

I've always wondered why there is little to no effort put in to hunting Japanese war criminals compared to Nazi ones. With the way so many Japanese reach 100 and above there must be thousands of them still alive, there might even be a few still alive 15 years from now. And most of them seem to be right there in Japan rather than hiding out in various other countries like the Nazis did.

The man in charge of Unit 731 Shiro Ishii was arrested by the Americans but was shamefully let off scot free. They deemed his germ warfare research invaluable and in exchange for all of this him and others connected to the unit were released.

sea_monkey

Lightbulb Sun wrote: »

The man in charge of Unit 731 Shiro Ishii was arrested by the Americans but was shamefully let off scot free. They deemed his germ warfare research invaluable and in exchange for all of this him and others connected to the unit were released.

yep, pretty sure they gave him a cushy job in america too.

howamidifferent

Jesus! :eek:

The "experiments" detailed in many of those links by all nationalities are horrific.

Impossible to comprehend man's inhumanity to man.

If anyone wasn't an atheist before reading those, they should be afterwards.

Stomach churning and in all probability still going on today under cover.

hardCopy

Pace2008 wrote: »

Nope. It wasn't just the Axis at it, and it wasn't just a WWII phenomenon either. The US government carried out a study on 600 black Americans afflicted with syphilis in which they allowed the disease to run its course without intervention, though they were informed that they were receiving treatment. The experiment started in 1932 and ran for 40 years, decades after a simple antibiotic treatment was discovered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

Isreali doctors were only recently caught sterilising African immigrants.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/