Tractor for me aul lad

from_atozinc

Farmers son here.
Me aul lad has always been a Massey man, started off with a ferguson 20, then a 35x which he had for about 20 years all through my childhood. And 5 years ago he bought a 165 and to be honest, it's been nothing but hassle. Was very saucy to buy for a 1987 ( I don't know why - no radio, gear stick in between your legs , feck all comfort etc ) and on top of this he spent a bit of money fixing it.....problems with starter etc.
the lift is now starting to go on it.

So I heard him saying at the weekend that he might buy another tractor

Use = lifting round bales, light rotary Moore work, spreading fertiliser, bringing cattle to Mart, transport box work, nothing major. Mainly round bale lifting.

Can anyone recommend a tractor in the 10,000 euro bracket and below that would suit - that's not a Massey and a tidy sized tractor too........AND RELIABLE.


Edit : sorry lads me aul lad has a Massey 265 at the moment.

stoeger

from_atozinc wrote: »

Farmers son here.
Me aul lad has always been a Massey man, started off with a ferguson 20, then a 35x which he had for about 20 years all through my childhood. And 5 years ago he bought a 165 and to be honest, it's been nothing but hassle. Was very saucy to buy for a 1987 ( I don't know why - no radio, gear stick in between your legs , feck all comfort etc ) and on top of this he spent a bit of money fixing it.....problems with starter etc.
the lift is now starting to go on it.

So I heard him saying at the weekend that he might buy another tractor

Use = lifting round bales, light rotary Moore work, spreading fertiliser, bringing cattle to Mart, transport box work, nothing major. Mainly round bale lifting.

Can anyone recommend a tractor in the 10,000 euro bracket and below that would suit - that's not a Massey and a tidy sized tractor too........AND RELIABLE.

You might get a clean fiat 110 90 or 100 90 great tracter and a hell of a lot more comfy them a 165 shell drink a bit more put worth it

from_atozinc

stoeger wrote: »

You might get a clean fiat 110 90 or 100 90 great tracter and a hell of a lot more comfy them a 165 shell drink a bit more put worth it

Thanks for the reply.

lakill Farm

from_atozinc wrote: »

Farmers son here.
Me aul lad has always been a Massey man, started off with a ferguson 20, then a 35x which he had for about 20 years all through my childhood. And 5 years ago he bought a 165 and to be honest, it's been nothing but hassle. Was very saucy to buy for a 1987 ( I don't know why - no radio, gear stick in between your legs , feck all comfort etc ) and on top of this he spent a bit of money fixing it.....problems with starter etc.
the lift is now starting to go on it.

So I heard him saying at the weekend that he might buy another tractor

Use = lifting round bales, light rotary Moore work, spreading fertiliser, bringing cattle to Mart, transport box work, nothing major. Mainly round bale lifting.

Can anyone recommend a tractor in the 10,000 euro bracket and below that would suit - that's not a Massey and a tidy sized tractor too........AND RELIABLE.

a nice 895 XL Case. at 10k you probably get a clean 4wd with power loader

jp6470

Fiat be good shout for the reliability. Have seen a few same explorers for sale at good money,always liked look of them.

stoeger

jp6470 wrote: »

Fiat be good shout for the reliability. Have seen a few same explorers for sale at good money,always liked look of them.

Ya explorers are a grand tractor but thay seem under powered for there size and can give pump trouble im no expert on them lad next door has one six cylinder and its cost him money over the years .

f140

fiat all the way.
its hard to believe that a massey 165 gave a lot of trouble. must of had a load of hours clocked up before ye bought it.

MFdaveIreland

Am I missing something or is poster saying mf 165 is 1987?, try ten years previous, basically bullet proof tractors,

nashmach

A clean Fiat but it will be difficult to find one tidy or perhaps a 95 series Case IH but with XL cab.

He may also find a 50 series JD.

tabby aspreme

A 10 series ford with the newer type engine block

from_atozinc

Sorry lads, just to fix something.

Aul lads current tractor is a MF 265, I mistakenly said a 165.

Two Tone from Limehouse

from_atozinc wrote: »

Farmers son here.
Me aul lad has always been a Massey man, started off with a ferguson 20, then a 35x which he had for about 20 years all through my childhood. And 5 years ago he bought a 165 and to be honest, it's been nothing but hassle. Was very saucy to buy for a 1987 ( I don't know why - no radio, gear stick in between your legs , feck all comfort etc ) and on top of this he spent a bit of money fixing it.....problems with starter etc.
the lift is now starting to go on it.

So I heard him saying at the weekend that he might buy another tractor

Use = lifting round bales, light rotary Moore work, spreading fertiliser, bringing cattle to Mart, transport box work, nothing major. Mainly round bale lifting.

Can anyone recommend a tractor in the 10,000 euro bracket and below that would suit - that's not a Massey and a tidy sized tractor too........AND RELIABLE.


Edit : sorry lads me aul lad has a Massey 265 at the moment.

You shouldn't call him your auld lad. It's disrespectful

from_atozinc

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

You shouldn't call him your auld lad. It's disrespectful

Great contribution, thanks.

Two Tone from Limehouse

from_atozinc wrote: »

Great contribution, thanks.

Anytime

from_atozinc

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Anytime

Please contribute again.

Two Tone from Limehouse

Nothing more to contribute. If I think of something I will though

from_atozinc

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Nothing more to contribute. If I think of something I will though

I don't know much about the word but I think your a troll. If you have nothing useful to add that can contribute to answering my question, don't bother posting.

Two Tone from Limehouse

from_atozinc wrote: »

I don't know much about the word but I think your a troll. If you have nothing useful to add that can contribute to answering my question, don't bother posting.

Ah mate, I was only kidding. Best if luck in your quest

from_atozinc

thanks so far to everyone for their helpful replies.

yellow50HX

from your descrition you proably dont need a 4wd then. there is good value on 2wd these days and you would get a decent yoke for 8-9k. you can get a fiat or a ford for that kinda money. a good fiat 90-90 or ford 6610 with SQ cab would be in around that money, they may be late 80's but you can still pick up a good one. SQ cab fords are quite comfroatble, nice big cab, good wide doors and if everything is in good order grand and quite. he would have not problem listenign to joe duffy on the way to the mart

Dampintheattic

yellow50HX wrote: »

from your descrition you proably dont need a 4wd then. there is good value on 2wd these days and you would get a decent yoke for 8-9k. you can get a fiat or a ford for that kinda money. a good fiat 90-90 or ford 6610 with SQ cab would be in around that money, they may be late 80's but you can still pick up a good one. SQ cab fords are quite comfroatble, nice big cab, good wide doors and if everything is in good order grand and quite. he would have not problem listenign to joe duffy on the way to the mart

But if he had to listen to Joe Duffy, he would probably throw up, and ruin the dash, on the new tractor:(

Mulumpy

from_atozinc wrote: »

I don't know much about the word but I think your a troll. If you have nothing useful to add that can contribute to answering my question, don't bother posting.

Jaysus I thought I was in After Hours there for a minute

from_atozinc

Thanks everyone.

Food for thought.

from_atozinc

I've been out of the loop for a while, but what's average hours in a tractor for a year.

I know its hard to answer but Like for a car lets say 12,000 miles a year as an example.

Damo810

from_atozinc wrote: »

I've been out of the loop for a while, but what's average hours in a tractor for a year.

I know its hard to answer but Like for a car lets say 12,000 miles a year as an example.

Depends, varies hugely. Some might get 50 hours a year, others would get more than that in a week. Average stockmans tractor would probably be 500 to 1000 for the larger places..

MickeyShtyles

Newest yoke in work has 173HRS.! New from 2011! An then the eleven yr old Renault has 2700 hrs!

from_atozinc

Damo810 wrote: »

Depends, varies hugely. Some might get 50 hours a year, others would get more than that in a week. Average stockmans tractor would probably be 500 to 1000 for the larger places..

For someone like me aul lad for example, details in first post, I presume that would be about 500 hours a year

blue5000

Hours on a 20 year old tractor could be a very rough guide, clocks get stopped, or sometimes just don't work anymore.
Do you want 2 or 4wd? For around 10k my choice would be a late 80's or possibly '91 ford as suggested above. Nice simple tractor, no complicated electrics. Only major issues they have is porous blocks and rusty cabs.

from_atozinc

blue5000 wrote: »

Hours on a 20 year old tractor could be a very rough guide, clocks get stopped, or sometimes just don't work anymore.
Do you want 2 or 4wd? For around 10k my choice would be a late 80's or possibly '91 ford as suggested above. Nice simple tractor, no complicated electrics. Only major issues they have is porous blocks and rusty cabs.

Tisnt bad, but I think the have the gear sticks in the middle and not to the side.

I know it may sound petty but we would like a tractor with the gear levers to the side.

grazeaway

from_atozinc wrote: »

Tisnt bad, but I think the have the gear sticks in the middle and not to the side.

I know it may sound petty but we would like a tractor with the gear levers to the side.

Only the seris 10's with the ap cab have floor mounted gears, many of the round q cab have a column change which are grand and easy to use once you are used to them. The super q cabs all have side mounted gears.

from_atozinc

grazeaway wrote: »

Only the seris 10's with the ap cab have floor mounted gears, many of the round q cab have a column change which are grand and easy to use once you are used to them. The super q cabs all have side mounted gears.

Thanks, what's a "column change " ?

zetecescort

from_atozinc wrote: »

Thanks, what's a "column change " ?

Gear levers on the steering column kind of like you see on old American cars/pickups on tv. Less desirable when new because fellas didn't like them but its actually fine once you get used to it.

nashmach

from_atozinc wrote: »

Thanks, what's a "column change " ?

They will come on the Q cab examples up to 1985, the Super Q as mentioned above will not have these.

There are two types of change but wouldn't advise going there.

yellow50HX

nashmach wrote: »

They will come on the Q cab examples up to 1985, the Super Q as mentioned above will not have these.

There are two types of change but wouldn't advise going there.

The seris 1 version aka the rubic cube version was supposed to be problematic, have had the H version on the seris 2 for about 15 years and haven't had any problems. If you go for a super q you have probably the best tractor ford ever made, they maybe over 20 years old but great machines.

nashmach

yellow50HX wrote: »

The seris 1 version aka the rubic cube version was supposed to be problematic, have had the H version on the seris 2 for about 15 years and haven't had any problems. If you go for a super q you have probably the best tractor ford ever made, they maybe over 20 years old but great machines.

I'm presuming your Series II is an AP or LP cab version then?

A lot of earlier rubic cube tractors were converted back in the day.

from_atozinc

Thanks again for replies.

I'm well out of the loop and not familiar with all the words. Im baffled with all the names. I don't know the difference between ap cab, lp cab, q cab, round q cab, super q cab

yellow50HX

nashmach wrote: »

I'm presuming your Series II is an AP or LP cab version then?

A lot of earlier rubic cube tractors were converted back in the day.

Nope it's a bubble cab, the seris 1and 2 came in ap and bubble. Have driven ap ones with floor and column, prefer the column. The 7 versions like the 6710 and 7710 came with side mounted gears in the bubble cabs a there is no ap version of these.

MickeyShtyles

from_atozinc wrote: »

Thanks again for replies.

I'm well out of the loop and not familiar with all the words. Im baffled with all the names. I don't know the difference between ap cab, lp cab, q cab, round q cab, super q cab

I'm half with ya there!

yellow50HX

from_atozinc wrote: »

Thanks again for replies.

I'm well out of the loop and not familiar with all the words. Im baffled with all the names. I don't know the difference between ap cab, lp cab, q cab, round q cab, super q cab

I'm a ford fan,

The q cab stands for quite cab also known as the bubble cab as it has white round top.
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-7610/5599839

The AP also known as the LP is a low profile it's a throw back to the older cabs but was sound proofed, it's smaller then q cab.
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-7610-4-w-d/5552591

The super q was the top spec cab came in the late 80's. based on the bubble cab but much higher spec and sound proofing, was the best in class in its day.
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford/5564219

nashmach

yellow50HX wrote: »

Nope it's a bubble cab, the seris 1and 2 came in ap and bubble. Have driven ap ones with floor and column, prefer the column. The 7 versions like the 6710 and 7710 came with side mounted gears in the bubble cabs a there is no ap version of these.

Sorry if I'm being an anorak

Series 1 or Series 10 as they were known were available with AP, LP or Q cab. Indeed two versions of the LP cab were fitted.

Series II were available with LP, AP or Super Q cab from late 1985 onwards.

Generation III had the same options as Series II.

Not all models had all cabs available for example 3 cyl's did not have the Suoer Q option.

yellow50HX wrote: »

I'm a ford fan,

The q cab stands for quite cab also known as the bubble cab as it has white round top.
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-7610/5599839

The AP also known as the LP is a low profile it's a throw back to the older cabs but was sound proofed, it's smaller then q cab.
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-7610-4-w-d/5552591

The super q was the top spec cab came in the late 80's. based on the bubble cab but much higher spec and sound proofing, was the best in class in its day.
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford/5564219

As above really to the OP's query.

The AP and LP are two different cabs.

They both share the same lower structure but the AP has a higher roof which can be easily distinguished with the roof hatch.

yellow50HX

nashmach wrote: »

Sorry if I'm being an anorak

Series 1 or Series 10 as they were known were available with AP, LP or Q cab. Indeed two versions of the LP cab were fitted.

Series II were available with LP, AP or Super Q cab from late 1985 onwards.

Generation III had the same options as Series II.

Not all models had all cabs available for example 3 cyl's did not have the Suoer Q option.



As above really to the OP's query.

The AP and LP are two different cabs.

They both share the same lower structure but the AP has a higher roof which can be easily distinguished with the roof hatch.

Yeah the ap/LP were very similar, there was also a Duncan version of he LP cab too, very rare but one of my neighbours had one. Kinda like the AP but the doors opened the opposite way and vey vey like the old closed cabs.

from_atozinc

Thanks all.

What do people think is the most reliable brand name of a tractor or even exact make from 1990-1995.

trabpc

Just got there before me. Plenty of force 11 or series 11 1985,6 in UK but very few here. Not all are rust buckets. Depends if it was neglected or not. Had an 88 6610 super q with rust all over front window falling out. Replaced it with a force 3 6810. I bought it 2 yrs ago paint looked good? No rust- little faded so I said I would treat cab just in case. Stripped Windows out of cab and to my surprise not a bit of rust. So we primed cab and treated and resprayed again €350. Previous owned always housed it.

trabpc

Great tractor BTW

yellow50HX

trabpc wrote: »

Great tractor BTW

Yeah they are a nice yoke, buddy had a 2wd one for a few years bought it for 8k sold it 5 years later for 9.5k. Another one of my fiends has a 6410 has it about 12 years now and it's still show room condition.

nashmach

from_atozinc wrote: »

Thanks all.

What do people think is the most reliable brand name of a tractor or even exact make from 1990-1995.

If it was me Fiat 82-94 or 88-94.

But you would need to stretch the budget

yellow50HX

from_atozinc wrote: »

Thanks all.

What do people think is the most reliable brand name of a tractor or even exact make from 1990-1995.

Ford and fiat, then they became new holland. The mark I seris 40 fords were a bit hit and miss, the SL versions were very reliable but the SLE gear boxes had a poor name, the mark II versions very much better.

The 94 seris fiats are very good, the basic model is still around, went on to become the Newholland 35 seris then the TL and TLa's and the case JXU

from_atozinc

nashmach wrote: »

If it was me Fiat 82-94 or 88-94.

But you would need to stretch the budget

Done a search there and couldn't find any of the above tractors

By the way what does for example 82-94 mean........does the 82 and 94 have a meaning ?

nashmach

from_atozinc wrote: »

Done a search there and couldn't find any of the above tractors

By the way what does for example 82-94 mean........does the 82 and 94 have a meaning ?

82 means the horsepower and 94 is the series.

Also try 82/94.

just do it

Surely there's no need for a 80hp tractor given what it is to be used for:

Use = lifting round bales, light rotary Moore work, spreading fertiliser, bringing cattle to Mart, transport box work, nothing major. Mainly round bale lifting.

A tidy 4610 and add on a few weights for heavier bales. The man is used to a 165!

yellow50HX

just do it wrote: »

Surely there's no need for a 80hp tractor given what it is to be used for:

A tidy 4610 and add on a few weights for heavier bales. The man is used to a 165!

I always feel that if your going to be lifting bales a 4 cylinder is better. 3 pots will need more ballast on the front. 5610, 6410, or 6610 would give you the power needed