lots of romaian gypsies begging in town lately

spankmemunkey

Has anybody noticed the increase in roma gypsies begging and selling in and around town, there was always a few but seems like they are on every corner now, I thought there were new laws to stop begging and the like?

Roma

spank_inferno

There are laws.

However we lack the police force with the nads to do anything about it.

thomasm

Had to laugh at one of them last week at the back of Debenhams, begging while on her smart phone, with bag of new bed linen from Debenhams beside her and tucking into a big lump of cake from the shop inside the door.

spankmemunkey

:rolleyes:

spank_inferno wrote: »

There are laws.

However we lack the police force with the nads to do anything about it.

There does seem to bea huge rise in numbers lately.

aziz

spank_inferno wrote: »

There are laws.

However we lack the police force with the nads to do anything about it.

Wasn't there a case recently in Dublin where a beggar was brought before a court and the charge against him or her was dropped and the judge actually awarded them money from the court poor box.
If true,no wonder the gardai will not want to do anything

spankmemunkey

spankmemunkey wrote: »

:rolleyes:

There does seem to bea huge rise in numbers lately.

I went through a few shops the other day and the same guy appeared in each shop, big "leather jacket" on him and a kid with him, he was in game shop right at the counter and the kid on the ground out of view going threw lots of stuff, they genuinely seemed to ge upto no good, cos they looked like they hadnt washed or eaten in years but suddenly they had money to shop, I told the counter assistant he was being done but he didn't appear to notice or care.

spankmemunkey

aziz wrote: »

Wasn't there a case recently in Dublin where a beggar was brought before a court and the charge against him or her was dropped and the judge actually awarded them money from the court poor box.
If true,no wonder the gardai will not want to do anything

I heard this alright, don't know how true it was, thats judges in their ivory towers, probably slammed his gavel and went to eat fois gras in the shelbourne hotel on his expenses account. Before waddling off to the doctors to treat his gout.

madfcuker

aziz wrote: »

Wasn't there a case recently in Dublin where a beggar was brought before a court and the charge against him or her was dropped and the judge actually awarded them money from the court poor box.
If true,no wonder the gardai will not want to do anything

That actually happened in Waterford. Remember reading it in the local paper a while back.

aziz

madfcuker wrote: »

That actually happened in Waterford. Remember reading it in the local paper a while back.

Well jeez, if that happened in town,no wonder were being overrun by them.

Feared Fightwear

Begging within 10metres of a shop doorway, ATM machine, church or bank/post office is illegal. Waterford Gardai seem to walk past them though. They dont just beg, they are thieves and pickpockets, they send the infants to run into Gallaghers pharmacy and run out with goods for example. Im a retailer in the city and I do not allow them on my street. I have video of them following elderly people into churches harassing them for money and walking down by the park (they all live in William street) checking every parked car door to see if any were open. Too many goodey goodeys around and a community guard that would be better off not coming to work.

Dave_Power

yeah i noticed it too. I saw people coming out of the church behind the back of city square and there were 4 gypsies agressively persuing old ladies to give them money. I was going to leave a roar out of me for them to clear off but I thought maybe Id get beaten up.
theres definitly more of them though.

Dave_Power

Feared Fightwear wrote: »

Begging within 10metres of a shop doorway, ATM machine, church or bank/post office is illegal. Waterford Gardai seem to walk past them though. They dont just beg, they are thieves and pickpockets, they send the infants to run into Gallaghers pharmacy and run out with goods for example. Im a retailer in the city and I do not allow them on my street. I have video of them following elderly people into churches harassing them for money and walking down by the park (they all live in William street) checking every parked car door to see if any were open. Too many goodey goodeys around and a community guard that would be better off not coming to work.

how do you stop them from begging on your street?

Feared Fightwear

Scream at them to **** off, physically move them, take their 'I am deaf and dumb' sign and bin it, smack their paper cups out of their hands.

Surveyor11

As long as they're begging for a one-way ticket home, no issues. In fact, I'd nearly drive them to the airport myself.

Feared Fightwear

Surveyor11 wrote: »

As long as they're begging for a one-way ticket home, no issues. In fact, I'd nearly drive them to the airport myself.

Why would they go home?
Free housing, dole, childrens allowance, medical care, education etc etc
I mean Irish are all for helping the less fortunate but these scum are here to beg, steal and scrounge. Its not racist, its fact.

ex_infantry

Feared Fightwear wrote: »

Scream at them to **** off, physically move them, take their 'I am deaf and dumb' sign and bin it, smack their paper cups out of their hands.

the tanned muscular unsung hero of waterford city centre

Feared Fightwear

But of course :-)
Seriously though, more retailers are copping on and want them moved, at least the fella who pisses against footlocker is gone

cassette50

Feared Fightwear wrote: »

But of course :-)
Seriously though, more retailers are copping on and want them moved, at least the fella who pisses against footlocker is gone

careful now..someone will be along soon to accuse you of racism :rolleyes:

ex_infantry

he aint being racist though, he's doin the job that the gardai are meant to be doin and stopping these people affecting his business!!!!

saintchrisburg

Good on ye for not putting up with it. If you give them an inch, they'll take a foot. I lived in Greece for many years, and you can't believe the stuff the gypsies get up to. They're bad enough in groups of two or three - imagine when there are full communities of them. Don't want to say they're all bad, and if you manage to get good with them then you're golden, but the bad ones are really bad.

CuriousG

Seen the same fella (re lather jacket etc...) with three other women in the dole office signing on.

They have better phones than I do, that alone is a sign to me they aren't poor.

They are scum. Not racist, not disgusting, just the truth.

Dum_Dum

But Ireland needs more entrepreneurs like them - that's what they keeping telling me on TV.

Feared Fightwear

CuriousG wrote: »

Seen the same fella (re lather jacket etc...) with three other women in the dole office signing on.

They have better phones than I do, that alone is a sign to me they aren't poor.

They are scum. Not racist, not disgusting, just the truth.

True about the phones, I moved one from the church behind city square and she got on her iPhone to ring her boss presumably.

saintchrisburg

They're almost never poor; in fact, they are some of the richest people you might meet.

dd972

EU Citizens with freedom of movement, game over.

Knob Longman

Iv had a fair few foreigners say to me that the Roma have given nothing but trouble in their own countries, We will have an influx of them next year when Romania / Bulgaria have free travel rights in the EU, I'v no problem with Romanians and Bulgarians coming here as most of them will be no different to ourselves but those Roma will cause nothing but trouble..And I reckon thousands of them will come here..

CuriousG

Feared Fightwear wrote: »

True about the phones, I moved one from the church behind city square and she got on her iPhone to ring her boss presumably.

So true. Even say no and there will be a gang of two or three in five minutes.

That's how they operate, they have a gang mentality (not only in this country) and that's the fact of the matter.

Last year I seen this old woman go up to one begging with her children and hand her a few coins, it wasn't much just some coppers and 20cents but my god surely if you were really a begger you would be grateful of ANYTHING, I know I would, but no, she threw the money away and spat at it. (Literally spat) the woman that gave it to her was no less than 70 or 80 I would say, it was horrible to see her take the time to try and give and that's the response you get. That tells me they are not needy.



My only pet peeve is how people in Ireland classify Roma Gypsies with Romanians.. They are not the same, and Roma are not ethnically Romanian in any way. A lot of them come from there in the sense they have a passport, but ethnically, no.

wmpdd3

Anytime I have a problem with Roma I get out my phone and take a photo, end of problem.

They will run a mile and cars will appear from nowhere to pick them up.

Never put their credit i'm their phone if asked either. its a scam.

Nypd

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Anytime I have a problem with Roma I get out my phone and take a photo, end of problem.

They will run a mile and cars will appear from nowhere to pick them up.

Never put their credit i'm their phone if asked either. its a scam.

That's the one take their pictures, they hate it.
Beware these are not just begers they are pick pockets too.

saintchrisburg

CuriousG wrote: »

My only pet peeve is how people in Ireland classify Roma Gypsies with Romanians.. They are not the same, and Roma are not ethnically Romanian in any way. A lot of them come from there in the sense they have a passport, but ethnically, no.

That's right, and the Romanians I have known hate the Gypsies as much as anybody else. Roma Gypsies ultimately come from India, and they speak a Hindustani language related to Hindi and Urdu, although they mix in the local idiom according to the country they live in.

Dave_Power

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Never put their credit i'm their phone if asked either. its a scam.

i didnt understand this part, could you elaborate

CuriousG

saintchrisburg wrote: »

That's right, and the Romanians I have known hate the Gypsies as much as anybody else. Roma Gypsies ultimately come from India, and they speak a Hindustani language related to Hindi and Urdu, although they mix in the local idiom according to the country they live in.

Yes! I have a romanian friend, and it absolutely drives him demented when anyone likens them to gypsies... And understandably so, they are not the same and very different in a lot of ways.

I don't know how anyone can justify the things they do, or put the poor mouth on them, they're just about the worst people I can think of for scamming.

caroline456

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Has anybody noticed the increase in romanian gypsies begging and selling in and around town, there was always a few but seems like they are on every corner now, I thought there were new laws to stop begging and the like?

I was in the town last week and noticed exactly the same, I'm glad somebody has started a topic about this. It could become a serious problem if it's not being treated asap. Yes, they are Roma rather than Romanian but the fact they're combination of both - they are Romanian Gypsies - makes them a lot worse. They're not only begging (which is quite bad itself), but they scam for your bags and your pockets so you need to keep an eye on them constantly!!! That's what scares me. You can't go shopping around the town with your hands full of bags not to be bothered about your purse any more. And what makes it even worse, when there's something going on on the streets (such as Spraoi), you can't enjoy it as you did before because you've got those gypsy scumbags everywhere around you!!! If something isn't done soon, we'll be going to the town full of fear. And I'm not being racist, just very realistic. If we already see them being triple the amount of what we saw two years ago then how quickly will be more and more of them sitting in the town, doing nothing???????

caroline456

CuriousG wrote: »

I don't know how anyone can justify the things they do, or put the poor mouth on them, they're just about the worst people I can think of for scamming.

Well, at the end of the day they were born and brought up to behave this way. It's their way of living they don't know what it means to get up early and work hard. But the bottom line is something should be done to protect the innocent people of this town!!!! And I'm not being racist, just got really scared when I went to town the other day...:(

Totally Tropical

The guards would want to get off their backsides and sort this out very lively.Waterford city centre in general is a very safe place and things like drug addicts begging and harassing people for money in the city centre is not as big a problem in Waterford as it is in the bigger cities in ireland.Retailers in the city centre are finding the going tough enough as it is without this carry on affecting their trade and putting people off going into town.This is what finished off Limerick city centre.The guards in Limerick allowed the scumbags to have free reign of the city centre and everyone just started shopping in the Crescent and Parkway shopping centres instead.

jayboi

Il like to hear from some PC do-gooders before forming an opinion

PTH2009

Feared Fightwear wrote: »

True about the phones, I moved one from the church behind city square and she got on her iPhone to ring her boss presumably.

Probly stole the phones

Max Powers

just dont give them any money and they move on to next place. im not one for defending our fantastic police force but when you have judges giving people who aggressively beg money from the court poor box, must be disheartening for the gards.

spankmemunkey

They don't just leave them to their own devices in france, they follow them back to where they are staying undercover, they stake them out and in one case they swooped to find the bosses driving high powered audis etc etc, they didn't send in the normal police they sent in the gendarme who are like military police, they stormed the place didn't walk in saying excuse me or tapped on their door, they kicked in their caravan door. They had swiss bank accounts and their crime spread accross europe .

I was very cautious about writing this cos of how it might be perceived. I was writing this as a warning to waterford because ive seen it happen in other countries and when they get a foothold and numbers increase its a bad sign.

Theres a thread on here about how can we make waterford better I would say waterford chamber of commerce and the gardai should meet immediately and make this their top priority to deal with the roma issue.

I would also asked all people who are in town to be vigilant and watch out for vulnerable people around town and call the guards and tell them its roma, the more calls they get the more aware they will be. Next time you see john halligan in town or any politician voice your concern. I hate to say it but it seems endemic of irish society, well people in power, that they are never pro-active they only re-active.

.Henry Sellers.

Would notice the build up alright, they could be coming from areas where there begging isn't being tolerated and find Waterford an easy target. I was working in town a couple of weeks ago and every day this fella would come along begging with a cup. Every single person, man, woman or child that went past he would shake this cup at them looking for change. I christened him " shakey cup man". He was moved on by a shop owner as he kept urinating beside a shop. But one thing I noticed was a younger fella would walk past shakey cup man about every two hours nearly like he was checking up on him. I've heard about beggars harassing people sitting outside Costa coffee, they wouldn't move on until they got some change.

spankmemunkey

.Henry Sellers. wrote: »

Would notice the build up alright, they could be coming from areas where there begging isn't being tolerated and find Waterford an easy target. I was working in town a couple of weeks ago and every day this fella would come along begging with a cup. Every single person, man, woman or child that went past he would shake this cup at them looking for change. I christened him " shakey cup man". He was moved on by a shop owner as he kept urinating beside a shop. But one thing I noticed was a younger fella would walk past shakey cup man about every two hours nearly like he was checking up on him. I've heard about beggars harassing people sitting outside Costa coffee, they wouldn't move on until they got some change.

I'm heeeeeeeennnnrrrrrrrrrrry sellllllllllllllllllllllllerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs. Ha.

They definitely network, theres 2 girls platting hair outside costa coffee more outside the book centre and the men sit on the seating outside there theres also one with kids down by jack n jones and theres a few on the quay, theres also one accross from argos.

Jason Todd

The ones platting hair in Red Square, surely they should be moved on? I was talking to the guy who sells the little bits of jewelry outside City Square and he said there is a permit needed to sell publicly around town and that the Council are very strict about who gets them?

In the Guards defense, I did see them catching a few gypsies last year on Paddy's Day, they were the ones who were selling balloons and such and they moved the gypsies on and took the balloons from them and gave them to the nearest kids.

.Henry Sellers.

Jason Todd wrote: »

In the Guards defense, I did see them catching a few gypsies last year on Paddy's Day, they were the ones who were selling balloons and such and they moved the gypsies on and took the balloons from them and gave them to the nearest kids.

I hope the Guards had a permit to hand out those balloons otherwise they should of arrested themselves. :pac:

ROCKMAN

Jason Todd wrote: »

The ones platting hair in Red Square, surely they should be moved on? I was talking to the guy who sells the little bits of jewelry outside City Square and he said there is a permit needed to sell publicly around town and that the Council are very strict about who gets them?

In the Guards defense, I did see them catching a few gypsies last year on Paddy's Day, they were the ones who were selling balloons and such and they moved the gypsies on and took the balloons from them and gave them to the nearest kids.

Typical Irish Cops handling stolen goods ,And getting a way with it ,when will we ever learn....

mozattack

An Irish person should go to Romania and beg and see how well they fare... not.

wmpdd3

mozattack wrote: »

An Irish person should go to Romania and beg and see how well they fare... not.

Not Romania, the Roma quarter of Bucharest. Roma in Romania are treated just like any other person breaking the begging laws.

BadCharlie

This is kind of general for all people coming into Ireland & not just Roma, that i think should be done.

1. You should be made do an english test. Without english how are your expected to work or mix with the locals.
2. You should have some qualifications before let in. Without qualifications of some sorts your chances of finding work is not going to be good.
3. If you have not found work after 4 to 6months, you should be sent home & you need to re apply to get back in.
4. You need to apply to get into ireland if you plan on staying longer then a month.

I know we are in the EU so we can scrap all the above for EU countries. But it still could hold for outside the EU.

I know my self i have worked since the age of 9 "on building sites with my dad" ok i know this cant be done any more but i wanted to work. And i have been working ever since. Its just hard to take that people never want to work and expect everything for free "be irish Roma or what ever"

deisediva

Have noticed them a lot more lately so much so it is putting me off parking where I would normally park (near Friary) as I am actually nervous with them around.
I know this area used to have drunks and druggies before now they seem to have been replaced by beggars.

Was walking into city square earlier and some tourists were walking ahead of me and were having a conversation about how bad Waterford had got for begging since their last visit . They will more than likely go back with stories of begging more so in the mind that our city which is a total shame .

Agree something needs to be done about them asap !!

Sully

Waterford isn't that bad compared with other cities. Begging will occur anywhere a large gathering of people will take place which is why Waterford has them. Just like Cork, Dublin, Limerick and so on. I don't see much begging outside shop doors or ATMs in Waterford. There usually near Argos at the steps or at the back of City Square.

The chap in the leather jacket has been around a long time, family of them and they are living nearby. They all sell balloons, do the hair etc. which I assume the Gardai don't move on because they don't all beg.

Radio 1 covered this before in Dublin which has far worse begging and the tourists they interviewed didn't see it as a major problem or enough to turn them away from the city. They pointed out that it was common everywhere in all cities and they just get on with it.

Luckycharms_74

Ireland should implement the same strategy as the UK. When these accession states got accepted into the EU it was a free for all for criminal gangs, etc to jump on board the gravy train.


Truth about the Romanian beggars of Park Lane


This is also worth watching as well. Ross Kemp on gangs from Bulgaria/Romania sent to the UK to pickpocket, etc. They can make up to £4k a day per person.

ROSS KEMP ON GANGS Bulgaria PART 1 of 5

Stuart085

That's one thing that I noticed when I moved out of Waterford a couple of years ago when I was made redundant. The gypos begging in the city centre. I live in Galway City now and I can honestly say that I've never seen one since I've lived here. When I visit Waterford, sure enough, there they are.