Irish Heart Foundation campaign - the fats of life

hollypink

Did anyone else hear the piece on Morning Ireland today about the Irish Heart Foundation campaign to make people more "heart healthy". http://www.irishheart.ie/fatsoflife-landingpage/

They say

two thirds of Irish adults eat more fat than their bodies need for health.

The problem I have is that much of their recommendations contradict the advice given here, and also that I've been given previously by PTs. For example:

3Too many bad fats such as saturated fat in the diet can increase LDL (bad) cholesterol. Saturated fat is found in cakes, biscuits, pastries, butter, hard margarine, cheese and fatty meat

Go for low fat milk, yogurt and cheeses.

If you don’t have high cholesterol, you can eat up to seven eggs in a week

Maximum 7

They also recommend using vegetable oils instead of butter.

From what I've read on this forum, and also advice from PTs, vegetable oils should be avoided, and there's nothing unhealthy about full fat dairy, and you can eat as many eggs as you like, and butter and fatty meat are good (although obviously too many calories from any source will cause you to gain body fat). So it's quite confusing for a non-expert like me to read the Irish Heart Foundation's advice. When I visit my parents, they are already mildly concerned that I won't use their sunflower oil for frying and I eat so many eggs, (although they know I'm in good health so wouldn't directly criticise.)

vitani

What convinced me that full-fat products were healthier was when I was switching my daughter from formula to cow's milk when she was about a year old. All of the recommendations were to keep her on full-fat products until she was at least 2.

That forced me to start thinking of fat as healthy, at least in certain situations, and when I stumbled across this forum a while back and read some of the newer information, I was more open to accepting it. It still took me a while though to come round and really believe that saturated fat wasn't going to clog up my arteries and give me a heart attack.

It's so depressing to read about campaigns like this. Our kids and grandkids are going to look back at these in the same way we look at the '9 out of 10 doctors smoke **** cigarettes' ads.

lee_baby_simms

hollypink wrote: »

They also recommend using vegetable oils instead of butter.

That's bad advice - vegetable oils are chemically extracted from GM crops and are usually then hydrogenated which leads to the presence of trans fats.

Give me good old kerrygold any day.

runawaybishop

So instead of full fat products we should take the low fat alternative which is full of sugar? No thanks.

edit: they also reference the food pyramid

Combine this with "hey everyone you should eat more bread and pasta" and then wonder why there is an issue

Sephya

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

That's bad advice - vegetable oils are chemically extracted from GM crops and are usually then hydrogenated which leads to the presence of trans fats.

Give me good old kerrygold any day.

lucky thing for you that good ol' kerrygold doesnt have any transfats. oh wait...

runawaybishop

Sephya wrote: »

lucky thing for you that good ol' kerrygold doesnt have any transfats. oh wait...

It has far far smaller amounts though

Orla K

Also the trans fats in butter is CLA

Not all fats are unhealthy, not all trans fats are unhealthy.

There's some interesting past fat good or bad threads, there was a good bit of back and forth on some which you might find interesting and enlightening.

Transform

nothing new here as it all went tits up in the 1960's after ancel keys did his 'study' and became the father of low fat.

Too many outside interests from pharma and food companies to be any different.

I have said this a few times - if you are taking health advice from your government then you are pretty much fuc'ed.

Sephya

Transform wrote: »

nothing new here as it all went tits up in the 1960's after ancel keys did his 'study' and became the father of low fat.

really? what study would that be? ancel keys done many studies.

Transform

Sephya wrote: »

really? what study would that be? ancel keys done many studies.

7 countries study - might be good to start there.

He got some things right but the overall message was still fat is bad mmmmkay

Denise minger has a balanced piece here - http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/12/22/the-truth-about-ancel-keys-weve-all-got-it-wrong/

I would then look at e.g. http://www.drbriffa.com/2006/10/02/is-saturated-fat-really-that-bad/

and pretty much anything by peter attia and chris kresser.

El_Dangeroso

two thirds of Irish adults eat more fat than their bodies need for health.

Why not be honest about it, two thirds of Irish people eat too much processed food. Most processed food is high in polyunsaturated fat as saturated fat is more expensive (find me any baked goods in a supermarket that contains butter instead of margarine).

Is it so hard to just advise people to stay out of the middle of the grocery store or would that affect their donations from Lidl? Bar some vegetables most of what lidl sells is they kind of cheap processed crap that is feeding the nation nowadays.

I love the way they hawk low fat milk and yoghurt at every turn, because of course the reason people have been getting fat is because of all the full fat yoghurt they've been eating! Of course! How could we have been so blind! /s

El_Dangeroso

I see the thread is now complete with the addition of a vegan activist to induce the same argument that has been had here about oh..eighty times before.

I'm playing a drinking game, everyone take a shot if the following pops up:

- China study
- Dean Ornish
- Caldwell Esselstyn
- Protein gives you cancer/osteoporosis/insert malady here
- There is no requirement for animal products in the human diet, if you don't count creatine, taurine, dha or b12 and possibly some other things we haven't discovered yet, but just take a pill you'll be fine!
- If you put a baby in a room with a rabbit and an apple, it won't tear apart the flesh of the rabbit in a haze of bunny fluff (to be fair it probably won't eat the apple either - lazy babies)
- We have the teeth of a herbivore (wouldn't it also be handy to have the stomach of a herbivore? think of the reduction in grocery bills if we could live on grass!)
- Vegans are immortal and meat eaters generally smell of rotten milk and cow graves

Please someone let me know if I've left something out, I'd hate to be accused of being remiss.

MacBoogerBalls

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Lidl? Bar some vegetables most of what lidl sells is they kind of cheap processed crap that is feeding the nation nowadays.

Do you shop in LIDL?
I've no problem with choice of vegetables and fruit there.
Meat and Eggs are fine too. Nice Steaks and free range chicken.
They have nice parma ham half the price of Superquin.
Also I get the tubs of Greek Style Yogurt, cheese, Kerry gold butter.
They have walnuts too.
plus loads of great liquor.

Katgurl

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I see the thread is now complete with the addition of a vegan activist to induce the same argument that has been had here about oh..eighty times before.

I'm playing a drinking game, everyone take a shot if the following pops up:

- China study
- Dean Ornish
- Caldwell Esselstyn
- Protein gives you cancer/osteoporosis/insert malady here
- There is no requirement for animal products in the human diet, if you don't count creatine, taurine, dha or b12 and possibly some other things we haven't discovered yet, but just take a pill you'll be fine!
- If you put a baby in a room with a rabbit and an apple, it won't tear apart the flesh of the rabbit in a haze of bunny fluff (to be fair it probably won't eat the apple either - lazy babies)
- We have the teeth of a herbivore (wouldn't it also be handy to have the stomach of a herbivore? think of the reduction in grocery bills if we could live on grass!)
- Vegans are immortal and meat eaters generally smell of rotten milk and cow graves

Please someone let me know if I've left something out, I'd hate to be accused of being remiss.

Are we reading the same thread? Who is the vegan activist?

runawaybishop

Katgurl wrote: »

Are we reading the same thread? Who is the vegan activist?

transform linked to her blog.

El_Dangeroso

MacBoogerBalls wrote: »

Do you shop in LIDL?
I've no problem with choice of vegetables and fruit there.
Meat and Eggs are fine too. Nice Steaks and free range chicken.
They have nice parma ham half the price of Superquin.
Also I get the tubs of Greek Yogurt, cheese, Kerry gold butter.
They have walnuts too.
plus loads of great liquor.

I know everyone on here loves Lidl so I'm not gonna get into a Lidl debate as I would be vastly outnumbered

juke

MacBoogerBalls wrote: »

Do you shop in LIDL?
I've no problem with choice of vegetables and fruit there.
Meat and Eggs are fine too. Nice Steaks and free range chicken.
They have nice parma ham half the price of Superquin.
Also I get the tubs of Greek Yogurt, cheese, Kerry gold butter.
They have walnuts too.
plus loads of great liquor.

Pretty sure it's only greek style

April O Neill

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I see the thread is now complete with the addition of a vegan activist to induce the same argument that has been had here about oh..eighty times before.

I'm playing a drinking game, everyone take a shot if the following pops up:

- China study
- Dean Ornish
- Caldwell Esselstyn
- Protein gives you cancer/osteoporosis/insert malady here
- There is no requirement for animal products in the human diet, if you don't count creatine, taurine, dha or b12 and possibly some other things we haven't discovered yet, but just take a pill you'll be fine!
- If you put a baby in a room with a rabbit and an apple, it won't tear apart the flesh of the rabbit in a haze of bunny fluff (to be fair it probably won't eat the apple either - lazy babies)
- We have the teeth of a herbivore (wouldn't it also be handy to have the stomach of a herbivore? think of the reduction in grocery bills if we could live on grass!)
- Vegans are immortal and meat eaters generally smell of rotten milk and cow graves

Please someone let me know if I've left something out, I'd hate to be accused of being remiss.

What vegan activist?

Chancer3001

This magazine by the heart foundation isnt AS bad as OP made out.

heres the very first bit of it.

10 fat facts

" Fat is an important part of a healthy diet.
All types of fat, both good and bad, are high in calories so you only need small amounts in your diet.
Too many bad fats such as saturated fat in the diet can increase LDL "bad" cholesterol levels.
Trans fat is an especially bad fat as it can increase LDL "bad" cholesterol and also decrease HDL "good" cholesterol.
You don't need to cut out meat for a healthy cholesterol.
You don't need to cut out dairy foods for a healthy cholesterol.
An egg a day is ok.
Not all fat is bad.
Some types of fat are essential.
Some good fats not only lower LDL "bad" cholesterol but can also help keep your heart healthy."

probably one thing only Id pick a fault with there, rest is solid

Transform

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I see the thread is now complete with the addition of a vegan activist to induce the same argument that has been had here about oh..eighty times before.

I'm playing a drinking game, everyone take a shot if the following pops up:

- China study
- Dean Ornish
- Caldwell Esselstyn
- Protein gives you cancer/osteoporosis/insert malady here
- There is no requirement for animal products in the human diet, if you don't count creatine, taurine, dha or b12 and possibly some other things we haven't discovered yet, but just take a pill you'll be fine!
- If you put a baby in a room with a rabbit and an apple, it won't tear apart the flesh of the rabbit in a haze of bunny fluff (to be fair it probably won't eat the apple either - lazy babies)
- We have the teeth of a herbivore (wouldn't it also be handy to have the stomach of a herbivore? think of the reduction in grocery bills if we could live on grass!)
- Vegans are immortal and meat eaters generally smell of rotten milk and cow graves

Please someone let me know if I've left something out, I'd hate to be accused of being remiss.

dude did you actually read ANY of Mingers work? She is way off being a vegan activist and is well known as the person that debunked the china study.

Everything you said is spot on and i just answered a question the guy posted

Transform

Chancer3001 wrote: »

This magazine by the heart foundation isnt AS bad as OP made out.

heres the very first bit of it.

10 fat facts

" Fat is an important part of a healthy diet.
All types of fat, both good and bad, are high in calories so you only need small amounts in your diet.
Too many bad fats such as saturated fat in the diet can increase LDL "bad" cholesterol levels.
Trans fat is an especially bad fat as it can increase LDL "bad" cholesterol and also decrease HDL "good" cholesterol.
You don't need to cut out meat for a healthy cholesterol.
You don't need to cut out dairy foods for a healthy cholesterol.
An egg a day is ok.
Not all fat is bad.
Some types of fat are essential.
Some good fats not only lower LDL "bad" cholesterol but can also help keep your heart healthy."

probably one thing only Id pick a fault with there, rest is solid

saturated fat also increases good cholesterol - they left that part out also

Davei141

El_D is talking about Sephya rightly or wrongly I believe.

Transform

Davei141 wrote: »

El_D is talking about Sephya rightly or wrongly I believe.

ok cool