Bee nest, should landlord pay to have it removed.

zack01

Ok straight to the point, my sister is renting a property, in there over a year, never any problems and of there is ie a broken dishwasher the landlord sorts it.
Over the last few days a lot of wasp have been hanging around the garden, I called up and had a look around the usual spots for a hive / nest and finally found a large hedge in her tree full of the culprits.

Now the question , should she pay to have it removed or is that the landlords job ?

Any advice or help would be very much appreciated.

3DataModem

zack01 wrote: »

Ok straight to the point, my sister is renting a property, in there over a year, never any problems and of there is ie a broken dishwasher the landlord sorts it.
Over the last few days a lot of wasp have been hanging around the garden, I called up and had a look around the usual spots for a hive / nest and finally found a large hedge in her tree full of the culprits.

Now the question , should she pay to have it removed or is that the landlords job ?

Any advice or help would be very much appreciated.

It doesn't seem to be anything to do with the landlord. I wouldn't ask my landlord to pay, and nor would I expect my tenants to call me about it!

Timmyctc

Maybe if you brought the nest into the house, riled it up a bit THEN called the landlord.

Motopepe

is it bees or wasps?

djimi

If it's bees then call up the beekeepers association and I'm sure a local beekeeper will come and take them away.

If its wasps then I'm not so sure.

david75

It actually is the landlords responsibilty(especially if there are children living there!)
As previous poster said, beekeepers are so easily found, weirdly, and will help.
Wasps though? Can of lynx, a lighter and 2 minutes. Or a black/cloth bag and some bravery if you're one of them hippies.

(Wasps are all but the most pointless hurtful creatures in all creation. Burn them at will and with god/universes blessing)

Balmed Out

Get wasp killer spray found in any hardware shop.
Wear lots of clothing.
Wait till night,
Spray the nest well.
Run away.


Problem solved, not that hard if you can find the nest.
This is presuming its wasps not bees. If bees someone would possibly pay you to come over and take it away.

The_Conductor

Be very careful.
If you can't determine whether or not its bees or wasps- I'd be more inclined to call an exterminator who will do the job cleanly for you- and there wouldn't be the risk of you or your children getting stung.
Talk to the landlord about splitting the cost of an exterminator- seems like a reasonable course of action.

If its bees- as above- you'll have no shortage of beekeepers only too happy to collect it from you.

ted1

I wouldn't expect it to be the landlords responsibility

Brianderunner

I had this problem out our back garden (wasps). We soaked the nest in petrol, lit a match and ran like hell. Might not be a practical solution for you but it felt good :P

tonyfillony

I had this problem a few months back . I noticed a lot of bees going in and out of my shed so I knew there was a nest n there I tried to get a beekeeper out to get rid of them but I was never around when he was in the area and he then stopped responding to my voice mails ,I had to get an exterminator in the end to get rid of them which the landlord paid for , i think it cost €90. It was a shame they had to be exterminated but with my wife being allergic and having a toddler they had to be gotten rid of

LaughOrDie

I would expect a landlord to pay for this.

Condatis

david75 wrote: »

(Wasps are all but the most pointless hurtful creatures in all creation. Burn them at will and with god/universes blessing)

Wasps do have useful functions, not least pollination.

They also predate insects and help keep pest populations under control. Paper wasps carry caterpillars and leaf beetle larvae back to their nests to feed their young. Thus removing pests which threaten crops.

They provide free pest control services.

Bigcheeze

Rentokil will do a wasp nest for EUR 50 if booked online. Next day service.

mitosis

Beekeepers will pay you for the bees. Wasps you will have to pay. Neither is the responsibility of the LL. They are in the garden through no fault of his, but he sounds like a decent sort, so you should call and ask.

Zulu

As a landlord, I'd tell you to buzz off!

Seriously though, the garden maintenance is the responsibility of the tenant.

Chris_5339762

If its wasps, do what you want.

If its bees, dont kill them. Get onto the beekeepers association. Bees are remarkably rare thesedays.

http://www.threshold.ie/download/pdf/minimum_standards_feb_2013.pdf

According to Threshold, the 2009 amendments to the Housing Acts updated the definition of "Proper State of Structural Repair" to include (amongst other things) gardens:

The 2009 Regulations strengthened significantly the definition of what constitutes a proper state of structural repair and states that ‘roofs, roofing tiles, slates, windows, floors, ceilings, walls, stairs, doors, skirting boards, fascias, tiles on any floor, ceiling and wall, gutters, down pipes, fittings, furnishings, gardens and common areas must be maintained in good condition and repair. They must not be defective due to dampness or otherwise.’

Would this situation not be covered? I assumed this was why my landlord was taking care of it at my place.

Snakeblood

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.threshold.ie/download/pdf/minimum_standards_feb_2013.pdf

According to Threshold, the 2009 amendments to the Housing Acts updated the definition of "Proper State of Structural Repair" to include (amongst other things) gardens:



Would this situation not be covered? I assumed this was why my landlord was taking care of it at my place.

I think if the gardens aren't allowed be damp, Landlords all over the country will be rather worried.

Slightly less uselessly: The Landlord didn't allow the wasps to land there, and I don't think one should reasonably be expected to take care of a relatively minor situation he didn't create, and isn't able to take precautions against. I'd take care of it myself were it wasps. Be it bees, bing a beekeeper.

Zulu

Are you honestly trying to tell me that an insect nest in the garden constitutes it not being in "Proper State of Structural Repair"?

Seriously??

ted1

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.threshold.ie/download/pdf/minimum_standards_feb_2013.pdf

According to Threshold, the 2009 amendments to the Housing Acts updated the definition of "Proper State of Structural Repair" to include (amongst other things) gardens:



Would this situation not be covered? I assumed this was why my landlord was taking care of it at my place.

The Landlord Muat provide them with the equipment to maintain it. so if the landlord provides a lawn mower then th etenant must cut the grass. but if ther is no lawn mower then the landlord must cut it.

loveisdivine

If they are bees please do not have them exterminated!!! Bees are very rare and there is absolutely no need to have them remvoed. Are they actually causing you any kind of problem, other than buzzing around your garden a bit?

You know other animals have as much right to be here as we do. You cant just go round exterminating everything at will.

gaius c

Interesting that the landlords here think the tenant should pay and that the tenants here think the landlord should pay...

Whatever you do decide to do, at least let the landlord know and please don't do the "soak with petrol & run away" trick because that fire could spread and risk other property.

todders

Zulu wrote: »

Are you honestly trying to tell me that an insect nest in the garden constitutes it not being in "Proper State of Structural Repair"?

Seriously??

Eh, it comes under "garden" in the 2009 regulations, something you were pretty happy to let the tenant assume responsibility of as part of "garden maintainence"

boarsboard

at night get a can of fly spray
and spray nest and around it
I will kill off wasps


but if wasps are one no harm leave it
the eat her insects and are good for gardden

percy212

I think one of the advantages of renting is that the landlord must actually look after the property (per threshold above). I wonder what the law would say if a tenant had an allergic reaction to a wasp sting while INSIDE the house, after requesting that the property owner remove a nest in the garden. The landlords on this site are like something from a dickens novel, but less well spoken. ITS MY HOUSE BUT YOU FIX IT YERSELF wid petredil and matches!

Snakeblood

Snakeblood wrote: »

Slightly less uselessly

Sorry that you find Threshold and the Housing Acts useless.

Zulu wrote: »

Are you honestly trying to tell me that an insect nest in the garden constitutes it not being in "Proper State of Structural Repair"?

No, but you have said categorically that "the garden maintenance is the responsibility of the tenant", which doesn't appear to be the case, certainly isn't in my case and I'm ASKING if this COULD be covered.

Zulu

todders wrote: »

Eh, it comes under "garden" in the 2009 regulations, something you were pretty happy to let the tenant assume responsibility of as part of "garden maintainence"

Seriously, what?
How does an insect nest in the garden constitute the garden not being in a "Proper State of Structural Repair"?

percy212

Tenants are not responsible for garden maintenance. The landlord should pay for removal of the nest. Its the law.

Gambas

zack01 wrote: »

Ok straight to the point, my sister is renting a property, in there over a year, never any problems and of there is ie a broken dishwasher the landlord sorts it.
Over the last few days a lot of wasp have been hanging around the garden, I called up and had a look around the usual spots for a hive / nest and finally found a large hedge in her tree full of the culprits.

Now the question , should she pay to have it removed or is that the landlords job ?

Any advice or help would be very much appreciated.

What's the problem here?

Leave it be and they'll be gone by November. They won't bother her unless she goes poking at it with a stick. There is no need to go removing it if it is in the garden. Worst case scenario she might get stung once, but in all likelihood she won't. Her head won't fall off as a result.

todders

Zulu wrote: »

Seriously, what?
How does an insect nest in the garden constitute the garden not being in a "Proper State of Structural Repair"?

The clue is in the regulations, you should try reading it :-)

By "Garden" I would take that to be all inclusive, after all it's the landlords property right?

miss no stars

Just to help the OP figure out of they're bees or wasps:




Channel 4 has a guide about their nests and about bees vs wasps:

http://www.channel4.com/4homes/how-to/diy/bees-nests-wasps-nests-dealing-getting-rid-of-them-10-02-12/display/page/2

Zulu

todders wrote: »

The clue is in the regulations, you should try reading it :-)

Sure run it past your landlord, what harm? I'm sure he'll do it for you.

todders

Zulu wrote: »

Sure run it past your landlord, what harm? I'm sure he'll do it for you.

Or not, if he has a penchant for evading responsibility documented in law :-P

Zulu

todders wrote: »

Or not, if he has a penchant for evading responsibility documented in law :-P

The Bees Nest Act (2001) Section 4.

todders

Zulu wrote: »

The Bees Nest Act (2001) Section 4.

Definant to the last with even in the face of written proof.

I thought the housing crash got us rid of all you cowboy landlords :-P

keithb93

percy212 wrote: »

Tenants are not responsible for garden maintenance. The landlord should pay for removal of the nest. Its the law.

Should the landlord be expected to remove a spider nest as well? :rolleyes:

The_Conductor

percy212 wrote: »

Tenants are not responsible for garden maintenance. The landlord should pay for removal of the nest. Its the law.

The landlord is legally responsible for the maintenance of the garden and the exterior of the property and the grounds. It is normal practice to include the upkeep of the garden and grounds in a tenant's lease- most tenants are happy enough to cut the grass and spread a little grit as and when its needed. Very few tenants would be happy for their landlord to turn up regular as clockwork every Thursday evening, to cut the grass during the summer time, or to grit the steps in the winter. Normally a modicum of common sense applies. Unfortunately it now seems likely that its necessary to spell these things out in black and white- as obviously common sense doesn't apply to some people.

Zulu

todders wrote: »

I thought the housing crash got us rid of all you cowboy landlords :-P

todders

Zulu wrote: »

Must of hit a nerve, either that or you are on your way to remove a nest from somewhere

Mrs OBumble

keithb93 wrote: »

Should the landlord be expected to remove a spider nest as well? :rolleyes:

If the're poisonous spiders that might kill the tenant, then yes.


FWIW, I'm a landlord, and I've paid to remove ant infestations from the back-yard which were getting into the kitchen. I didn't think twice about whether it was my responsiblity or not .. of course it is to provide an enviroment free of harmful pests.

Snakeblood

gaius c wrote: »

Interesting that the landlords here think the tenant should pay and that the tenants here think the landlord should pay...

Whatever you do decide to do, at least let the landlord know and please don't do the "soak with petrol & run away" trick because that fire could spread and risk other property.

I'm a tenant and I think the tenant should pay.

Snakeblood

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry that you find Threshold and the Housing Acts useless.

I didn't say that at all. I made a useless observation about that particular wording, then edited to say it was a bit useless.

lods

The_Conductor wrote: »

The landlord is legally responsible for the maintenance of the garden and the exterior of the property and the grounds. It is normal practice to include the upkeep of the garden and grounds in a tenant's lease- most tenants are happy enough to cut the grass and spread a little grit as and when its needed. Very few tenants would be happy for their landlord to turn up regular as clockwork every Thursday evening, to cut the grass during the summer time, or to grit the steps in the winter. Normally a modicum of common sense applies. Unfortunately it now seems likely that its necessary to spell these things out in black and white- as obviously common sense doesn't apply to some people.

I suppose he can only be deemed to be responsible for whatis deemed fair. If i don’t like birds does the landlord not have a responsibilityto remove any nests in the bushes? Just because OP sees it as a problem doesn’tmean it is. Wasps to a lot of good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp

The term wasp is
typically defined as any insect of the order Hymenopteraand suborder Apocritathat is neither a beenor an ant.[1]
Almost every pest insect species has at least one wasp species that preys upon
it or parasitizes it, making wasps critically important in natural
control of their numbers, or natural biocontrol.Parasitic wasps are increasingly used in agricultural pest control as they prey mostly on pest insects and have little impact on
crops.[2]
[3]

DuckHook

todders wrote: »

Definant to the last with even in the face of written proof.

I thought the housing crash got us rid of all you cowboy landlords :-P

Written Proof that insects in a tenants garden are the landlords responsibility?

As a landlord myself i would be interested in seeing this imaginary proof.

ted1

percy212 wrote: »

I think one of the advantages of renting is that the landlord must actually look after the property (per threshold above). I wonder what the law would say if a tenant had an allergic reaction to a wasp sting while INSIDE the house, after requesting that the property owner remove a nest in the garden. The landlords on this site are like something from a dickens novel, but less well spoken. ITS MY HOUSE BUT YOU FIX IT YERSELF wid petredil and matches!

nonsense, having a Bee Hive doesn't consistute a broken house.

djimi

loveisdivine wrote: »

If they are bees please do not have them exterminated!!! Bees are very rare and there is absolutely no need to have them remvoed. Are they actually causing you any kind of problem, other than buzzing around your garden a bit?

You know other animals have as much right to be here as we do. You cant just go round exterminating everything at will.

By and large bees wont bother you too much, but thats not to say they dont present a danger. My parents decided to try beekeeping for a while and we had a hive down the back of the garden (at the end of a half acre field). They never really bothered us for the most part, but they took a disliking to things like the lawnmower and would start getting anxious when we tried to cut the grass in "their" field. We all ended up getting stung at some point; not frequently, but it did happen nonetheless.

who the fug

miss no stars wrote: »

Just to help the OP figure out of they're bees or wasps:




Channel 4 has a guide about their nests and about bees vs wasps:

http://www.channel4.com/4homes/how-to/diy/bees-nests-wasps-nests-dealing-getting-rid-of-them-10-02-12/display/page/2

How the **** did we get to the stage where we need to post pictures telling peeps what a wasp looks like and it be different to a bee

gobo99

mitosis wrote: »

Beekeepers will pay you for the bees. Wasps you will have to pay. Neither is the responsibility of the LL. They are in the garden through no fault of his, but he sounds like a decent sort, so you should call and ask.

OP if you are paid for the bees make you give your landlord his cut. :pac:

mel.b

While maybe not directly relevant, while I was renting in Australia I had a nest of bees or wasps (cant remember now which it was) and the landlord paid for it to be removed/destroyed.

zack01

Landlord sorted it out, called out the pest control, found four nests in the trees, pest control did the job, everyone happy.