Tag rugby rules question

colly10

Hi, sorry if this is the wrong place for it but I was wondering if your running with the ball in tag, can you hand it (rather than pass) to someone else?

errlloyd

Apparently you can now. But it was previously against the rules.

keith16

I would have thought so, as long as the reciever isn't in front of you.

colly10

errlloyd wrote: »

Apparently you can now. But it was previously against the rules.

Thanks, it makes sense. A lad on my team with years of experience said it is against the rules but the ref had no problem with it so it's probably just an old rule. I prefer to hand off than pass when I'm through so just wanted to make sure I won't get penalised for doing it

ormond lad

Been playing tag for years and only time I have been stopped is when over the tryline which is against the rules
You can hand ball to someone as long as theyre behind you

awec

What was the reason for not allowing it before?

errlloyd

ormond lad wrote: »

Been playing tag for years and only time I have been stopped is when over the tryline which is against the rules
You can hand ball to someone as long as theyre behind you

Even this was specifically banned for a time.

@Awec - tagrugby has some illogical rules designed to incentivise girls to get involved (for example you can play a 7 aside game with 4 players, but you can't play with less than 3 girls). I have a feeling the rule was made so teams had to properly teach girls to at least catch the ball. (as opposed to getting a guy to just run the pitch and hand it to a girl.)

I think the other reason is that it inherently creates a potential contract situation. (tag is absolutely anti contact to the point where it is ridiculous).

pickarooney

Is tag much different to touch?

.ak

pickarooney wrote: »

Is tag much different to touch?

I think so yeah. Touch is almost league like, with straight abd direct running often rewarded, where as tag is a bit more complex and involves trying to avoid as much contact as possible, so plenty of crabbing and side steps

errlloyd

pickarooney wrote: »

Is tag much different to touch?

Yeah they are fairly different to begin with and becoming more different as time goes by (intentional rule changes from what I can tell). Tag as we know it came from Austag in Australia and their rules slowly filter to us.

To give you some basic examples. In touch the ball can't go to ground at all (that's a turn over) so you can't kick or pass badly. Kicking is very much part of the game in tag - although its grubbers only.

In touch many people get intentionally "touched". So for example, I would take the ball in my right hand, I was run forward with my left hand straight out and I would touch you in order for me to be "tackled". I would do this to allow me to play ridiculously quick ball and try to catch your team offside. This is commonly called a "push" play, but effectively it's just quick ball. - This effectively makes touch a speed and fitness sport, its about grinding down the opposition.

Tag has recently taken steps to ban this, there is what is called the "No Surrender" rule. Which means that you can't purposely be tagged. So you can't right in front of the opposition in order to trick them into tagging you. So in tag you have to score through the creation of space one way or another.

Just the fact that it is slightly harder to tag someone than it is to touch them does bring the game a little closer to rugby imo. Like if you take a good "rugby" line between two opposition players (cutting back on a switch and hitting with serious pace) you have a good chance of getting through in tag. But this is completely pointless in touch, because you will just get "touched" you will overrun the mark because you're moving too fast and you will kill your team's quick ball.

So while the games are similar concepts, they are played completely differently.

Neither is really better. I prefer playing tag at a high level, but at a low level tag can be really bloody complicated.

pickarooney

Both sound very different to the touch we play here. I must look up the full rules and see can we give them a trial run here.

.ak

Actually, I never played touch/tip until I started training. Have to say I love it, great way to get the feet movements back, and a lot more straight running rather than stepping.

pickarooney

.ak wrote: »

Actually, I never played touch/tip until I started training. Have to say I love it, great way to get the feet movements back, and a lot more straight running rather than stepping.

It's the complete opposite for me. We play touch in the summer when we're low on numbers and I have to get it my head not to run straight into people but to look for gaps. So I'm actually having to learn to step, dummy, run and all those weird back skills!

We play either one touch with no ball to ground and two hands on, three touches and it's turned over or two touch where you can keep going after being touched once but a second touch is a turnover and a touched player can't score. And no kicking.

.ak

We were playing 5 or 6 touch to turn over. So I suppose with more touches allowed you can afford straight running and recycling. It makes sense from a training point of view as there's a lot of new players training, including myself, and I think trying to crab or step around defences is a bad habit. Learn the simple bits first then try and develop your steps etc., etc.

It's one of the reasons why I decided not to play any tag this summer before training - because you pick up bad habits that you'll want to shake when playing the XV game.

errlloyd

.ak wrote: »

It's one of the reasons why I decided not to play any tag this summer before training - because you pick up bad habits that you'll want to shake when playing the XV game.

Spinning is defo the worst bad habit, its absolutely god like in tag, and a perfect recipe for faceplant in rugby.

Morf

errlloyd wrote: »

Spinning is defo the worst bad habit, its absolutely god like in tag, and a perfect recipe for faceplant in rugby.

Banned in IRFU tag though I think.

ormond lad

Morf wrote: »

Banned in IRFU tag though I think.

It is. You cant spin to avoid being tagged

irishbucsfan

.ak wrote: »

We were playing 5 or 6 touch to turn over. So I suppose with more touches allowed you can afford straight running and recycling. It makes sense from a training point of view as there's a lot of new players training, including myself, and I think trying to crab or step around defences is a bad habit. Learn the simple bits first then try and develop your steps etc., etc.

It's one of the reasons why I decided not to play any tag this summer before training - because you pick up bad habits that you'll want to shake when playing the XV game.

My favourite variant is forcing the defensive player to run to their own try line and back every time they make a tackle.

If you combine that with a short phase count you actually get a very valuable exercise in smart ball control. And its an absolute killer on the lungs.

.ak

irishbucsfan wrote: »

My favourite variant is forcing the defensive player to run to their own try line and back every time they make a tackle.

If you combine that with a short phase count you actually get a very valuable exercise in smart ball control. And its an absolute killer on the lungs.

Yeah, we played a variant the other day with a 'mock tackle', so when the player is touched he must present the ball on the deck as you would in a real game, and the tackler must 'bind' to him, defensive line is setup a few meters back from the attacker's feet. Even just constantly running back onside is killer on the calves.

lemansky

errlloyd wrote: »

Spinning is defo the worst bad habit, its absolutely god like in tag, and a perfect recipe for faceplant in rugby.

This. I've been playing tag for the last few summers and I think I can count on one hand the number of times I have thrown a spin in. I have to actually remember to do it (in time) and then force myself to do it, because it goes against every rugby fibre in my body. I can't afford to damage this beautiful face.

Thud

errlloyd wrote: »

Spinning is defo the worst bad habit, its absolutely god like in tag, and a perfect recipe for faceplant in rugby.

unless you are Craig Gilroy

PaddyRussell

Any girls interested in playing Tag tonight at 630 in Irishtown? We are only a notice/beginner team and only have one girl so you will get a game.

Badly stuck and would really appreciate it!

PM me please!

PaddyRussell

PaddyRussell wrote: »

Any girls interested in playing Tag tonight at 630 in Irishtown? We are only a notice/beginner team and only have one girl so you will get a game.

Badly stuck and would really appreciate it!

PM me please!

luckily got sorted! Thanks anyways

oneofakind32

http://www.tagrugby.ie//News/New-Tag-Laws-2014-post-1610.htm

New rules just in from ITRA! Not sure about this bonus box lark!

CatFromHue

Diving for tries could get dodgy, someones bound to get hurt.

errlloyd

Tried to do that diving for tags lark at Irish Trials a few weeks ago. Trying to train your body to drive flat without bring down a knee or elbow to break your fall is really hard. Particularly on Astro. Made worse by the fact that the premiership (which is the league they are introducing all these new rules to suit) is played on a Hockey pitch!



On an unrelated Tag Rugby note, I stuck a GOPRO on a few of the refs over the last few weeks and made a bit of a try video from the UCD Rugby Pitch League - I have a feeling one or two posters on here play there (apart from me) so you might feature. If you are thinking of taking up tag, it's a good indicator of what the game play is like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkjIP5eSec8&feature=youtu.be (I can never get YT tags to work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkjIP5eSec8

dave13

Bonus box is going to reduce girls involvement in the game.
From what i've seen most girl tries tend to be scored out wide as a guy breaks through and then runs to the wing looking for a girl to pass to.
It's not gonna be worth the risk for 3 points when they can get two by touching it down in the middle

errlloyd

dave13 wrote: »

Bonus box is going to reduce girls involvement in the game.
From what i've seen most girl tries tend to be scored out wide as a guy breaks through and then runs to the wing looking for a girl to pass to.
It's not gonna be worth the risk for 3 points when they can get two by touching it down in the middle

Works both ways, traditionally a single fast chaser following back would have to make a judgement call on whether to chase the guy or the girl. When the guy could only score 1 point, it was usually worth just blocking out the girl and allowing the guy to score, now there is going to be more incentive to take the high risk play and cover the bonus box, instead of the girl.

.ak

errlloyd wrote: »

Tried to do that diving for tags lark at Irish Trials a few weeks ago. Trying to train your body to drive flat without bring down a knee or elbow to break your fall is really hard. Particularly on Astro. Made worse by the fact that the premiership (which is the league they are introducing all these new rules to suit) is played on a Hockey pitch!



On an unrelated Tag Rugby note, I stuck a GOPRO on a few of the refs over the last few weeks and made a bit of a try video from the UCD Rugby Pitch League - I have a feeling one or two posters on here play there (apart from me) so you might feature. If you are thinking of taking up tag, it's a good indicator of what the game play is like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkjIP5eSec8&feature=youtu.be (I can never get YT tags to work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkjIP5eSec8

Great video. Some slick pop passing in there.

BTW to embed the video you just stick the youtube code in the tags, so in this case WkjIP5eSec8

errlloyd

.ak wrote: »

Great video. Some slick pop passing in there.

Yeah that UCD quarter pitch is the narrowest tag pitch in Dublin from what I can tell. So there isn't much in the way of slick long passing. Irishtown has much more firing the ball wide.

Nermal

Can you run into the bonus box when you've already passed the tryline?

awec

errlloyd wrote: »

Tried to do that diving for tags lark at Irish Trials a few weeks ago. Trying to train your body to drive flat without bring down a knee or elbow to break your fall is really hard. Particularly on Astro. Made worse by the fact that the premiership (which is the league they are introducing all these new rules to suit) is played on a Hockey pitch!



On an unrelated Tag Rugby note, I stuck a GOPRO on a few of the refs over the last few weeks and made a bit of a try video from the UCD Rugby Pitch League - I have a feeling one or two posters on here play there (apart from me) so you might feature. If you are thinking of taking up tag, it's a good indicator of what the game play is like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkjIP5eSec8&feature=youtu.be (I can never get YT tags to work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkjIP5eSec8

That looks great craic, but is that the social standard? :eek:

errlloyd

awec wrote: »

That looks great craic, but is that the social standard? :eek:

Yeah its not the best. To be fair, the best two teams in that league got the least footage. So the team who are mostly wearing white and black who scored some half decent passing tries won the league, the team that came second aren't featured at all.

The team who score that slick pop pass at 40 seconds came third.